Best Motor For Travel

[Just_Roving_09]

Gday ... once again , now i've joined i have lots of questions and i hope there is lots of answers out there for me :)

So ive done properly too much research and wanted a TD5 motor ... but i want to do Outback QLD , Go back to Robe SA and Through the Middle Of This Beatuiful Country of ours ( Brisbane to Perth Basically lol)

So Td5 has computers ... so im abit scared of that ... 300TDi is slower but .. i can go thur water crossing up the Cape ( another trip planned also Flinders lol) and not worry ... and ive heard that its better on fuel than the Td5 ...

So maybe ive just answered my own question? ...

I have good mech mind and ppl with me on the trips are TQ Mechs and hobby Mech so they know what they are doing.;)

i know this is basically asking 300TDi vs Td5 ... but i just need to know

I Currently Have a V8 .. and i dont really want to take it around Australia lol

Btw i will be getting a Defender ...

Part B ... Are there less Computers on the TD5 Defender then Discos?

Its A Big Question and i hope you all can help me out :D

Thank you very much ( in advance )

[rangieman]

Gday ... once again , now i've joined i have lots of questions and i hope there is lots of answers out there for me :)

So ive done properly too much research and wanted a TD5 motor ... but i want to do Outback QLD , Go back to Robe SA and Through the Middle Of This Beatuiful Country of ours ( Brisbane to Perth Basically lol)

So Td5 has computers ... so im abit scared of that ... 300TDi is slower but .. i can go thur water crossing up the Cape ( another trip planned also Flinders lol) and not worry ... and ive heard that its better on fuel than the Td5 ...

So maybe ive just answered my own question? ...

I have good mech mind and ppl with me on the trips are TQ Mechs and hobby Mech so they know what they are doing.;)
As for the performance i dont know how i stuck with the Tdi for so long now that i own a Td5 one does not have to ring its neck as much as a Tdi

i know this is basically asking 300TDi vs Td5 ... but i just need to know

I Currently Have a V8 .. and i dont really want to take it around Australia lol

Btw i will be getting a Defender ...

Part B ... Are there less Computers on the TD5 Defender then Discos?

Its A Big Question and i hope you all can help me out :D

Thank you very much ( in advance )
Ive owned both in 110 Defender station wagons Tdi and Td5 and ill stick my neck out and say the Td5 is a far superior engine , I wouldnt think twice at the depth of water id enter in either dont be scared of computers they are here to stay :cool:
As for economy the Td5 and Tdi in the wagons are on a par both pretty much the same but the Td5 has the ability to do better than a Tdi;)

[lambrover]

in South Africa when the TD5 came out they said no way and kept getting the 300TDI motor in there trucks but after a few years now they do run the TD5 as every one knows the little trick for them and how to look after them now, the UK army use TD5's and they would get a punishing. Just become familiar with the elec system and it's mainly the injector harness gets oil in it and ask the other guys what they have done with the computor so they can taking it swiming.

[geckos]

been in various depth mud holes and water. just common sense and check afterwards. all the electrics can be moved aswell.......
td5 is a lot quieter............
diagnostics like the nanocom are out there and do work.........




.............but it is your choice.
geck

[PAT303]

Either will do fine,I'd buy the best vehicle I could find not just the engine it has. Pat

[Psimpson7]

the UK army use TD5's .

No they don't.

Id go for the TD5 and spend a bit of time understanding it before you go.

[rar110]

The TD5 has been around for a few years now. Once I would never have considered one. But I think I would now. I spoke to BOR about them who said they have proved to be a good reliable motor with a couple of known issues.

I agree with Pat by the best vehicle you can find. A TD5 might have had a harder short life than a looked after older tdi.

[reeksyofoz]

I've basically just gone through this process and bought a TD5 110 to do similar trip ... but without any backup ;) I went for the best vehicle for the budget.

It means I've paid waaaaaaaay over market price for a fender, but it's been through the ringer and then been upgraded with all the good bits. I'm in a rush (as ever) so don't want to go through the rigmarole of doing the upgrades myself. Sure it will be a compromise, but the easy life is boring ... isn't it? :eek:

[boggo]

Td5's are a top motor. 220,000kms on mine still going strong. I'd trust mine, and my familys life on it any day. Service it well and don't abuse it(too much)

[Michael2]

I've got a 300Tdi, that's what I preffer and that's what I'd go for. But if you do go for a TD5, I noticed that Exloz (site sponsor) have a box that fits under the centre cubby for relocating all the ECU stuff. That gives you a safer place for the ECU, a more ergonomic height for the cubby, and extra storage under the drivers seat.



Ex-Box

Move all your car's electronic gear from under the driver's seat under the Cubby Box and at the same time lift the Cubby Box to a comfortable height for resting your arm on it.
Depending on your Defender model it also gives you heaps of additional storage space.
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[Hendrik]

Go the TD5, much more superior and refined engine. As many have said, get familiar with the electronics and you should not have any worries at all. A big advantage of the TD5 over the 300tdi is power, while they might not come out with much stock, you can chip them to get more. In terms of outback travel, overtaking is much safer in a chipped TD5 than a 300tdi. You don't have to get a massive run up to over take a truck, you just go for it because there's plenty of power and torque to work with.
Towing is also much better in a td5 than a 300tdi for the same reasons.
Go the td5, you won't be disappointed.

Cheers
Hendrik

[Jimmy]

I had a TD5 defender (sob sob) and I took it from Perth to Brisbane straight through the guts in summer (so rather hot), then to Cape york, then fraser and all over the top end to Gove, Kalumburu, Gibb River and back down to Perth trying to take off-road tracks where-ever possible. The only problem I had was the head light dipper switch went twice in about 70,000km's of loyal service. I also took it into some rather deep creek crossings and had water draining out of the computer box with absolutely no problem (and the dipper switches didnt go at that point by the way). THe 4WD capability of a standard TD5 defender can't be matched, and then you can chip them and play with them to make them better. After a few attempts we even got back up gun-shot creek up the Cape without a winch!!

my 10c worth.

Jim

[reeksyofoz]

I had The only problem I had was the head light dipper switch went twice in about 70,000km's of loyal service.
Jim

Ahhh ... so the lack of relays to the headlights does trouble Landies then. I'm used to Triumph cars and this a notorious problem on the Saloons and Dolomites. Too much power through old dusty wires and the contacts burn out. On reliability runs in the UK (2,000 miles in 48 hours) I had two burn out in one weekend so always re-wire with relays in Triumphs to prevent the issue and add fuses. You also get brighter lights. I've seen kits for the Defenders, but to be honest you can do it for tuppence - some wire a couple of relays and fuses.

Here's before and after photos i took...
Might not look much different on screen but it makes a difference to what you see on the road :cool:

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2009/06/698.jpg

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2009/06/699.jpg

[Just_Roving_09]

Gday All cheers for the imput

so far im pretty sure the Td5 has the lead lol but i will be test driving both real soon

just one more quick question , mainly for ppl who have driven or own a 300Tdi ... ive heard they are a tough piece of kit now ... they are only afew Kws down from the Td5 ... so my question

in a 300Tdi ... Can you keep up with Traffic or you always getting honked and told ... lol

cheers in advance

[djam1]

I personally think there are better engines to use than a TD5
Anyone who uses one must carry diagnostic equipment or at least have a very good understanding of how they work.
The Isuzu is Vastly superior and the Tdi300 while not quite as powerful is a whole lot easier to deal with when it goes wrong.
I will fly in the face of public opinion but I have used V8s for years with very few issues.

[Michael2]

Gday All cheers for the imput

so far im pretty sure the Td5 has the lead lol but i will be test driving both real soon

just one more quick question , mainly for ppl who have driven or own a 300Tdi ... ive heard they are a tough piece of kit now ... they are only afew Kws down from the Td5 ... so my question

in a 300Tdi ... Can you keep up with Traffic or you always getting honked and told ... lol

cheers in advance

You keep up with traffic easily. On winding roads, they can't keep up with you (unless it's a steep climb). One a write up (I think it was in Overlander) some years ago, they noted that while a 4.2litre Troopy was faster off the mark, the Defender out accelerated it in the 60-100kph range, thanks to the turbo. At traffic speeds, there isn't any turbo lag, and I find it drives quite comfortably.

[geckos]

No they don't.

Id go for the TD5 and spend a bit of time understanding it before you go.
Yes they do in some applications and same as the australian army. not in their green fleet.

[jx2mad]

I had a td5 disco and the computer stuck me up twice. Luckily I was not far from home. The second time I had to limp into my rover service centre and have them reset. I was told that the engine computer did not like the auto box computer. One was German and the other English. So as I travel outback and I do not want to get stuck I sold the disco and bought a 300tdi Defender. What a great unit. I did not know the service history or what it had been used for in its past life so I have spent some money having the gear box and transfer case rebuilt as they were noisy. Next followed the front drive shaft and a frame ball joint, injector pump and misc other bits. I would drive this unit anywhere with confidrnce. I also have had gas fitted and this makes driving almost effortless. Jim

[LRHybrid100]

I own both 300 Tdi and Td5 Vehicles and you would not have a problem with either vehicle providing its well prepared and you spend some time before the trip working on / learning about the vehicle.

I actually bought a D110 Td5 for the big trip we did last year - did not miss a beat, only issue we had was a smashed windscreen in Karratha!!!

If you do go with a Td5 then buy a Nanocom and learn how to use it before you leave.

Just my 10c worth

HTH

LRH

[Just_Roving_09]

Cheers All For your info .. one comment made was basically forget about the motor and just get the best all-round one that i can find .... i think thats a smart move lol

so its 300Tdi or Td5 ... doesnt matter which one

Thank you for your comments

[Mrlandyman100]

In terms of power i think it partly depends on your mind set. Some people think the old series are good enough for traveling around australia etc...

I have a 200tdi defender ute and i know its no speed machine but it's powerfull enough for me, it can keep up with trafic and go up hills at a reasonable speed.

But maybe i should not me comenting seeings its about 300tdi and td5:wasntme:

[Just_Roving_09]

In terms of power i think it partly depends on your mind set. Some people think the old series are good enough for traveling around australia etc...

I have a 200tdi defender ute and i know its no speed machine but it's powerfull enough for me, it can keep up with trafic and go up hills at a reasonable speed.

But maybe i should not me comenting seeings its about 300tdi and td5:wasntme:


Narh Man Cheers For That Info

I would love 2002 mod coz of the dash ... but im really looking 96 - 2002 mod .. really thats the age bracket in my budget :)