mongrel dogs

[blitz]

We bought the littly (daughter) a pigglet on the weekend, living on a block y'know doing the *****le farm thing. Well it got out last night and our stinking dogs ripped it to shreads, tried to save it but they got a artery so it bled to death.

between the cat getting lizards every time it escapes outside and the dogs doing that I really am over pets in a big way.

Bugger

Blythe

[vnx205]

Pets can be unpredictable.

Our cats were deadly on birds, lizards, young rabbits and almost anything else that moved. However as our ducklings did their morning waddle down to the dam, the cats never once gave them a second glance.

[Reads90]

mmm my Huskies work on the princleble that if is smaller than them then it is far game and theirs. They have a thing for possums, eaten quite a few already , And they are brilliant at hunting and work together to catch stuff. Can see how close they are to wolfs.

But as pets they are the most loving and gentle dogs i have ever had

[V8Ian]

We bought the littly (daughter) a pigglet on the weekend, living on a block y'know doing the *****le farm thing. Well it got out last night and our stinking dogs ripped it to shreads, tried to save it but they got a artery so it bled to death.

between the cat getting lizards every time it escapes outside and the dogs doing that I really am over pets in a big way.

Bugger

Blythe
I would be somewhat concerned about the dogs turning on your daughter, given their lust for the pig. The dogs may see the pig, and your daughter as competition for your attention.

[blitz]

Ours are lovely pets but some times a switch flicks and they go berko at other animals, I must admit although they have never looked sideways at a person it is a bit of a worry

[disco2hse]

I must admit although they have never looked sideways at a person it is a bit of a worry

Not that you've seen yet, anyway.

Alan

[blitz]

Exactly Alan, even a pigglet has a lot tuffer skin than a kid has

hey moderators, in my initial post one of the words has been sensored? without using the word again, it is a coloquialism for a hobby farm I'm not sure why it was screened?

[disco2hse]

I was trying to work out what the word was. I'd be useless on that game show. :D

Alan

[numpty]

I was trying to work out what the word was. I'd be useless on that game show. :D

Alan

Well "willy farm" or "doodle farm" just don't have the same ring:D

[blitz]

I was trying to work out what the word was. I'd be useless on that game show. :D

Alan

it's another word for bristle or barb it's what you do if you stick yourself with a rose thorn

[blitz]

I would be somewhat concerned about the dogs turning on your daughter, given their lust for the pig. The dogs may see the pig, and your daughter as competition for your attention.

The thing is they are absolute angels with her, but I still have a worry now

[disco2hse]

:lol2: :rolleyes:

ayup. I really suck at cross words too :D

Umm, thanks guys.

Alan

[Reads90]

The thing is they are absolute angels with her, but I still have a worry now


my two huskies are great with my son who is 10 months old . He can do anything to them and they just take it , but i will never trust them alone with him .

[V8Ian]

it's another word for bristle or barb it's what you do if you stick yourself with a rose thorn

CRY:BigCry::BigCry::BigCry::soapbox::soapbox::soap box:SWEAR

[blitz]

CRY:BigCry::BigCry::BigCry::soapbox::soapbox::soap box:SWEAR


It looks like my helpful hints are a bit to criptic!!

[abaddonxi]

Exactly Alan, even a pigglet has a lot tuffer skin than a kid has

hey moderators, in my initial post one of the words has been sensored? without using the word again, it is a coloquialism for a hobby farm I'm not sure why it was screened?

The swear filter got a little overexcited.:D

[blitz]

The swear filter got a little overexcited.:D

so am I allowed to call it a *****le farm now? not that I actually farm *****les:D
I seem to be farming dead animals of late, going to end up with lots of good places to plant trees soon

[blitz]

ah hahaha nope

[disco2hse]

You might want to plant some *****ly pears.

:banana::banana:

Could have some fun with this :D

Or be banned ;)

[abaddonxi]

Arr, give it time, to pull the thorn the king has to rise himself off his throne.:D;)

[blitz]

Arr, give it time, to pull the thorn the king has to rise himself off his throne.:D;)

Now that's funny, on a day that in the scheme of things has been rather ordinary

[V8Ian]

Brilliant hi-jack. :wasntme:

[p38arover]

What breed of dogs?

[Debacle]

mmm my Huskies work on the princleble that if is smaller than them then it is far game and theirs. They have a thing for possums, eaten quite a few already , And they are brilliant at hunting and work together to catch stuff. Can see how close they are to wolfs.

But as pets they are the most loving and gentle dogs i have ever had

You sound pretty pleased with the fact that your dogs are killing native wildlife.

Why is that ???

[scarry]

Our doberman had the neighbours guinnea pig,however it is spelt:p,for a night & didnt harm it,just played with it.......
But when it came to the brush tailed possums,that lived under our house,she would sit at the gate & the possums would come out at dusk & head for the nearest tree.She would pounce on them & give them the death shake,probably got about 3 of them over a six month period.

Now the GSP we had years ago was the best hunter i have ever seen,she used to catch hares,which is very difficult.And wild cats,she would chase them away from any trees & clean them up.

After the doby passed on,

SWMBO got a sharpei & it is the strangest type of dog around.After its had its day,it'll be back to a GSP,a real dog:eek:;)

Ummm,but now i believe they have a full tail....:o

[V8Ian]

Our doberman had the neighbours guinnea pig,however it is spelt:p,for a night & didnt harm it,just played with it.......
But when it came to the brush tailed possums,that lived under our house,she would sit at the gate & the possums would come out at dusk & head for the nearest tree.She would pounce on them & give them the death shake,probably got about 3 of them over a six month period.

Now the GSP we had years ago was the best hunter i have ever seen,she used to catch hares,which is very difficult.And wild cats,she would chase them away from any trees & clean them up.

After the doby passed on,

SWMBO got a sharpei & it is the strangest type of dog around.After its had its day,it'll be back to a GSP,a real dog:eek:;)

Ummm,but now i believe they have a full tail....:o
GSPs are amazing, mine used to catch eels and proudly present them to us.:D The dogs' mouths are so soft that their quarry could be returned to its enviroment unharmed.:)

[blitz]

What breed of dogs?

pure bred Staffy and a kelpy x

[p38arover]

pure bred Staffy and a kelpy x

Most dangerous dogs in NSW | The Daily Telegraph (http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,21058787-5006009,00.html)

No.1 most dangerous: Staffy

And kelpies:
http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/story/0,22606,24291313-2682,00.html

[carjunkieanon]

male or female?

We had a Rhodesian Ridgeback bitch - great with kids. She pulled my sister out of a dam once.

[CraigE]

This has been hashed over before. I would actually like to see the Daily Telegraphs report verified as fact, not fiction as it is. This gets brought up now and again as people do not even know what a Staffy is and this is part of the problem. Yes Staffys will fight with other dogs but generally not humans. A coss breed is just that a cross breed not a Staffy even if it is bred with a Satffy parent. Cross breeding leads to genetic defects and aggression issues with any cross breed.
Get the facts verified before we go on a witch hunt again. These councils do not verify the breeds pedigree and only base reports on statements or inaccurate idetification. These council reports are highly inaccurate and speculative. Do the numbers not seem a little skewed? As said our council reporting system lacks a lot.
The reason they have not been listed as a dangerous breed is because they are not and none of these so called attacks have been verified as pure bred Staffys.
I did some research some time back (appr 4-5 yrs ago) and the facts I dug up spoke for themsleves with only about 1% of alledged Staffy attacks actually verified as Staffys. I have seen so called Staffy attacks turn out to be Pit Bulls, English Bull Terriers, and even a German Shepherd:o but mostly cross bred mongrels.
The only country to keep official records of dog attacks is Germany where all reported attacks are doccumented and verified. The #1 dog for attacking humans is the German Shepherd / Alsation breeds (and these are still great dogs and not on the dangerous dog list). Bull Terriers as a complete breed came in 6th including all variations of Bull Terriers which slants the stats slightly. Verified Staffy attacks were actually rare with the Pit Bull accounting for around 90% of the attacks / bites grouped as Bull Terrier.
If you have srious concerns do the research as I did and actually present the facts, not hysteria presented by the media and anti Staffordshire purporters. Also contact the Staffordshire association or your local vet.
This topic comes up at least yearly on slow news weeks and has been dismissed as be non factual every time.
Of course all dogs can bite, so there is always the need to be observant and vigilant. The worst are those damn Shi-Tsu's but as they do not do a lot of damage usually get ignored.
Sorry for the rant but I get sick of the "lets blame Staffys for all the attacks" BS that goes on becausepeople do not even know what a Staffy is. Yes there are lots of cross bred mongrels out there from irresponsible breeders.
Generally people bitten by Staffy's are people breaking up dog fights that occur.
When you have some indisputable facts come back and I will listen, until then put up or shut up. Media reports are not fact and usually have very little relevance or fact.
I actually had a ranger in Kalgoorlie some years ago who was reporting a number of attacks as being Staffy's not even recognise my dog as being a Staffy when it was sitting in my car, yet she was a pedigree. On talking to a vet involved in a lot of these cases they informed me that none of the attacks they knew about even involved a Staffy, yet all were being reported in the media as Staffy attacks and being reported and logged by the council as being Staffy attacks, yet none were verified.
This topic seems to keep being brought up by the ignorant and ill informed as I am sure it will in another 6 - 12 months. I challenge anyone to get verified information on all of these so called 279 attacks and verify they were all or even the majority by pure bred Staffys. If you can I will gladly eat my words.
As I have said all dogs no matter what breed can turn, but a Staffy is no worse than any other breed and a lot better than most.
How many dog owners will be honest and admit to being nipped by their dog?
Some Links Endangered Dog Breeds Assoc (http://www.edba.org.au/media.html)
Endangered Dog Breeds Assoc (http://www.edba.org.au/responsetocouriermail.html)
To all those into pitbulls PLEASE READ | Dogs | Pets / animals | Cracker (http://cracker.com.au/pets-animals-forums/dogs-forum/to-all-those-into-pitbulls-please-read/223967/thread.htm'search=1) very interesting reading from US Pit Bull attacks.

These injury figures represent only a proportion of people bitten by dogs. Other studies indicate much higher numbers. For instance, 2,232 people were treated for dog bites in the four years between 1998-2001 in five Brisbane hospitals, more than double the whole NSW total for a similar period.19 Thompson15,16 estimated on the basis of injury data from Adelaide that as many as 30,000 people could be injured each year by dogs in Australia. This could be an underestimate, as American data show injuries from dog bites to 3 per 1,000 people per year.20 If the same rate of attack occurred in Australia, we would experience 60,000 dog bites requiring medical treatment per year. This bite rate probably is not reached in Australia, however. The USA experiences some 20 -30 human fatalities from dog attack each year,10,21 while for Australia the rate is about 0-2 cases per year. 20 The US fatality rate is, therefore, about double that of Australia. Thompson's 16 figure of 30,000 injuries matches this observation, though in light of other Australian studies it seems an extreme figure. This highlights the lack of knowledge surrounding the whole issue of dog attacks in Australia. Thompson's Adelaide data record the following percentages of injuries caused by specific breeds: German Shepherd 25.3%, Bull Terrier 13.6%, Cattle Dog 13.6%, Dobermann 11.7%, Rottweiler 9.1%. Breeds again were identified by people involved in the attacks, so they are not verified or reliable. It should also be noted that the attacks occurred prior to 1991, and relative breed populations will have altered over the 11 years since then, as dog breeds respond to fashion and other considerations.
Again all Bull Terriers classified in one group including cross breeds or animals that look like Bull Terriers.
Another problem, when is an attack an attack??


Quarterly NSW Report
Dog attack incidents reported by all councils from 1 January 2009 to 31 March 2009 (3rd Quarter 2008/09)
A dog attack can include incident where a dog rushes at, attacks, bites , harasses or chases any person or animal (other than vermin), whether or not any injury is caused to the person or animal.
For more detailed information about dog attacks occurring in your area please contact your local council. A list of NSW councils can be found in the Local Government Directory.

Staffordshire bull terriers (http://womansday.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=177406)

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Obviously there are always two sides to a story and my compassion does go out to anyone bitten by any dog, but the main problem is positive identification of a dog that is involved in an attack and the honesty of the said person attacked, wether they or their dog caused or exacerbated the situation. The majority of so called attacks are actually dog on dog more than dog on human. Without seeing full and honest statistics how can a real picture be painted. Very seldom are small dog bites reported. I have personally been bitten 5 times aggresivelly (once causing a laceration requiring suturing and drwn blood on 3 occassions) in my lifetime by a dog and non of them have been a Staffy or a Bull Terrier of any type. I can rattle off the breeds but do not want to alienate other breed owners. I have also been chased or baled up at least 20 times by aggressive dogs and non of these were Bull Terrier either.
All I genuinelly ask is that you are sure and can validate that the dog you are accusing is infact a pure bred pedigree Staffy, not something else.

[CraigE]

Blitz,
Sorry to hear your dramas.
The thing to remember with any dog breed is they are a pack animal with an Alpha dominant. If another animal is brought into or near their pack they may get defensive and territorial. If you are getting domesticated and pet orientated farm type animals then they will need to be introduced to the dogs gradually. The dogs need to be chastised for any agression, but also praised for being good. They can not be led to feel alienated. Most dogs generally think of animals like pigs and possums etc as a source of food. They need to be trained to think of them as equal as they do with humans or below the Apha (humans). Farm dogs will be put down for attacking livestock.
The dogs we have had have been trained and acclimatised to dealing with cats, birds, rabbits, ducks, chooks, donkeys etc etc. I even had a Labrador as a kid that used to let a possum we reared ride around on her back and sleep with her.

[Armadillo]

Yep, as a general rule, dogs killing livestock are put down.
Also, how many times have we heard/read that a dog that was "so good with the kids" have ended up attacking the kids. The golden rule I have is to never leave children alone with a dog - no matter what the breed. Dogs . in essence, don't "love" us, they only assume their part in the pack which incidently comprises of humans. Unfortunately children are often seem as a smaller, weaker member of the pack and the presence of a larger pack member (ie:adult human) is what usually prevents any assertive pack behavior (ie: biting, killing, humping) from occuring. Take the pack leader out of the mix and kids become fair game.

[p38arover]

Funnily enough, the only dog which has ever bitten me was a pedigee staffie - and that was a few weeks back. I was visiting and put my hand out so two staffies could sniff me. One staffie was OK, the other bit me. Maybe it felt threatened.

The owner said the dog had never bitten anyone before. Isn't what all the owners say?

[CraigE]

Funnily enough, the only dog which has ever bitten me was a pedigee staffie - and that was a few weeks back. I was visiting and put my hand out so two staffies could sniff me. One staffie was OK, the other bit me. Maybe it felt threatened.

The owner said the dog had never bitten anyone before. Isn't what all the owners say?
Fair point Ron and I will take your word for it that it was a purebred Staffy. How did it bite you, if you dont mind me asking.
Would we hear anything if it was a Chiauha (spelling???)? Yet they can be the worst, my parents had 2. Along with Shi-Tsus (bugger I forgot I have been bitten by 2 of them for no reason as well and drew blood).
There are really two many variables to go into and a tar all with one brush mentality is common.
Before an informed decision can be made all details on all attacks need to be collected and corroborated. The whole problem with the current council reporting system is that the reports are taken at face value and the breed type that is stated by the complainent is what is recorded most often without verification. Also the details of the incident need to be taken into consideration. Is it a vicious attack, a playfull bite, a dog fight being split up, the dogs being teased etc etc
IMHO the only ones that are a serious concern are the vicious attacks on people or vicious dog attacks. More often than not a Staffy will not start the fight, but will definatelly finish it. The issue with this is that a smaller dog may start the fight but the Staffy or any dog feared (usually wrongly) as a dangerous dog is blamed and this go's on the stats.
Most vicious attacks make the news and I only recall 1 actually being a Staffy and that had been trained for fighting (which in my book the owner should be fed to Lions:o). All the rest that I have seen that have been called Staffy's have immediatelly when shown in the media appeared not to be Staffy's at all, but cross breeds or completely different breeds altogether.
If any of my dogs bit anyone viciously or deliberatelly, I would put them down myself.
I could technically say my staffy has bitten me heaps of times as when we play she will grab my arm or hand to restrain it, but not aggressivelly and will not draw blood. The only time that blood has been drawn and then only a scratch is when I have been to rough and actually run my hand over her teeth and that was me not the dog. The other times are when we are having a tug of war on a rope, when she go's to get the rope a couple of times she has jumped a bit high and got my hand, but dropped as soon as she has realised she missed. So are these a true attack?
The only time I have been bitten reasonablly hard and then only really a scratch that drew blood was when my 2 previous dogs had a fight and I broke them up. Staffy and Dingo after driving all day in 48deg c heat and then setting up camp in Roebourne and that was over food and more from stress. It was not intentional and as soon as the dog realised what she had done she dropped and cowered and that was the Dingo not the Staffy.
I have had 4 Staffy's now and not one of them has bitten anyone in agression or caused harm.
I am not saying for a minute they can not bite and will never bite. They are the same as any dog and can turn. A lot is how they are raised and treated also.
There are also ratios that need to be taken into account such as animals kept to pet ownership as Satffordshire have become hugely popular over the last 10-15 years.
All I suppose I really ask is that people be objective and not base their conceptions on hysteria.
My Staffy is the biggest sook you have ever seen, but she could savage someone quite easily if she intended as that is the breed make up, strength is one of their characteristics, but hey what about Rotties, Doberman, English Bull Terriers, American Staffordshires, English Staffordshires, Australian Staffordshires, American Pit Bulls, Boxers and the list gos on. The problem is most people could not tell one from the other of some of these, let alone if it was a cross breed.

[p38arover]

You're right in what you say, Craig.

I've had labradors for the past 40 years and most would assume they are easy going dogs - and ours have been. However, the same report that mentioned the Staffies, also showed 82 attacks by labradors .

Re the bite from the staffie, I can only assume it got a fright as it growled, yelped, and then snapped onto my hand. Fortunately, not a bad wound. The owner says it's a pedigree dog.

It wasn't as if the dog didn't know me. I've patted it a number of times in the past. The other staffie I've played with, on and off, since it was a pup.

I've seen both dogs a number of times since the bite and both have been friendly, usually to the point of tripping me up as they wrap their chains around my legs and feet! Maybe they have a plan to pull me to the ground and devour me! :eek: :D

[isuzutoo-eh]

One morning, two huskies or malamuts or whatever they are, ripped a hole in the chicken wire mesh hutch where my rabbit lived and proceeded to shred it. Poor bunny. In the middle of suburbia, who needs hunting dogs? Not like we have grizzzly bears or wild boars to protect against...

We could hear the rabbit scream from inside the house.
Dad and I gave chase, but all we got was a bloody carcass and a bit of skin.
Beautiful dogs, with their white and red fur. Would be even better stuffed and mounted or threaded on a hook for shark bait.

Don't ever pretend a cat or dog or other animal doesn't have instincts, it may spoil someone else's day :(

[CraigE]

That may be part of the issue Ron if the dog was on a chain, I have found dogs when restrained on leads or chains can be much mor agressive as they can not suss you out properly. I know my Staffy has gone off at other dogs when on a lead, but when off a lead will run up and play. Go figure.


You're right in what you say, Craig.

I've had labradors for the past 40 years and most would assume they are easy going dogs - and ours have been. However, the same report that mentioned the Staffies, also showed 82 attacks by labradors .

Re the bite from the staffie, I can only assume it got a fright as it growled, yelped, and then snapped onto my hand. Fortunately, not a bad wound. The owner says it's a pedigree dog.

It wasn't as if the dog didn't know me. I've patted it a number of times in the past. The other staffie I've played with, on and off, since it was a pup.

I've seen both dogs a number of times since the bite and both have been friendly, usually to the point of tripping me up as they wrap their chains around my legs and feet! Maybe they have a plan to pull me to the ground and devour me! :eek: :D

[Psimpson7]

One morning, two huskies or malamuts or whatever they are, ripped a hole in the chicken wire mesh hutch where my rabbit lived and proceeded to shred it. Poor bunny.

Dad and I gave chase, but all we got was a bloody carcass and a bit of skin.
Beautiful dogs, with their white and red fur. Would be even better stuffed and mounted or threaded on a hook for shark bait.



That comment would make you far worse than the dogs IMO.

[p38arover]

That may be part of the issue Ron if the dog was on a chain, I have found dogs when restrained on leads or chains can be much mor agressive as they can not suss you out properly. I know my Staffy has gone off at other dogs when on a lead, but when off a lead will run up and play. Go figure.

Actually, neither dog was on a chain at the time I was bitten. Sorry I didn't make that clear.

Recent visits have seen the dogs chained but they've been really friendly and playful. I'll be seeing them again tomorrow arvo.

[scarry]

I recon you can't trust any dogs,particularly if you go to someones place to do a job ,for example,therefore are a complete stranger & also are on the dogs territory.

When i am in this situation,i always ask the customer to put the dog away or tie it up as i have been bitten ,more than once,german shepards being the most common culprit.

They seem to accept you in the first instance,and then later give you a good bite on a leg or buttock,usually come from behind:(

A couple of many instances come to mind

I got bitten by one as i was reaching into the van for something,bit me fare on the bum,and it had no teeth.Gave me a massive bruise:(

Another time i was with my eldest son ,he was an apprentice at the time,and we were doing a job at a residence,walked past a german sheperd probably 20 times going to the van & back,when it all of a sudden got up & bit him on the leg,no warning.

So the rule is ,get rid of the dog while we are here,or we are not staying.

[isuzutoo-eh]

That comment would make you far worse than the dogs IMO.

'tsalright PSimpson, throw away lines don't mean much, I don't purposefully hurt any animals, i know its the owner's responsibility not the actual animals.
Still, someone's pet dogs ate my pet rabbit and i'm scarred since.
Cheers,
Mark

[dullbird]

Some of the biggest problems with the likes of what happened to your rabbit is the care some people offer they're dogs.....

unfortunately there are too many breeds such as mali's, kelpies, cattles, husky's and other hunting/working breeds that are too often just locked up in the back of a suburban yard. Dogs get bored people I'm sure your all aware of this......and while left in the yard and not included in the pack they will often make there own fun with in there own little territory. If anything comes into there territory its fair game as far as they are concerned. Dogs hunting and killing prey is a natural instinct!

I'm not saying that a dog getting in to a yard and killing a rabbit is right but the dog doesn't really know its doing wrong.

Nearly all dogs have some sort of prey drive....some more than others and can vary with breeds....could have just as easily been a confident Maltese that got in and killed it.

[Leo]

Particular breeds are not the problem, it's the owners. That includes pitbulls.

Had the dogs been introduced to the piglet?

[lardy]

Most dangerous dogs in NSW | The Daily Telegraph (http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,21058787-5006009,00.html)

No.1 most dangerous: Staffy

And kelpies:
AdelaideNow... Kelpies, Jack Russells and kids don't mix (http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/story/0,22606,24291313-2682,00.html)

that is a great bit of propaganda nice to see Australia has finally caught up with Britain in it's hysterical killer dog reviews.
Real staffordshires as in as the breed was designed fabulously loyal and loving, my brother had two and has had two more since no dramas. but i think any dog mis-treated or un disiplined has the potential.
I have an American staffy she is a big sook but i would not leave it in a room with a kid on its own.
also i have wrought iron gates which are set into concrete, she has not mastered the hammer and chisel yet so she is secure when i am not home.
If someone broke in good luck to em she is very protective towards her patch and the rest of the pack (us) i so hate the hysteria most people cannot identify staffys from any other terrier's it's just tar em all with the same brush

[p38arover]

I recon you can't trust any dogs,particularly if you go to someones place to do a job ,for example,therefore are a complete stranger & also are on the dogs territory.

When i am in this situation,i always ask the customer to put the dog away or tie it up as i have been bitten ,more than once,german shepards being the most common culprit.

Interesting you should say that. A washing machine serviceman came yesterday to check our new washing machine (and authorise a refund after he cut the power lead off it - where was my faulty goods thread again:().

His first comment was about to ask about our dog (we have a sign and a bloody big kennel at the front). When I mentioned labrador, he referred to the same report I mentioned with the 82 attacks by labradors.

[disco2hse]

I've been attacked and bitten by two breeds of dog only, and for both breeds the attacks were entirely unprovoked (by me). They were German Shepherd and Labrador, and they were house pets.

Alan

[blitz]

Now that I have calmed down about it all, unfortunately part of the problem was the pigglet itself, by getting out of it pen ( I guess thats really my fault for not making it secure enough) at night, even though the dogs had been introduced to the pig it was still new and it was night. Once the pig started squeeling I guess instincts took over and exit one pig.

Regarding the breeds I am and always will be a huge fan of staffodshire bull terriers, pure bred or pedigree, not a mixed breed though. The kelpy X being a working dog breed and the breed of the staffy obviously was not the best combination for the pig at night. Either way though the missus has said the dogs have to go as she cannot completely trust them again.

As to staffies attacking people the Staffodshire Bull Terrier is the only dog that the royal canine society UK gives a AAA+ rating with children. But that is not the same with other animals the UK staffy society insignia reads - nemo me impune lassesit - no-one provokes me with impunity

And god help any body that hurts or trys to hurt a child that the staffy sees as part of its family

[Mittens]

We have 2 dogs a Boxer and a LabxKelpie.

Both of them are great and they know who the boss is (me or my wife).

In saying that, whenever friends come round I always make sure I introduce them to the dogs and let them know a few ground rules. Both dogs are big and boisterous and will push you around if you don't let them know who's the boss from the beginning.

I love them both but would never let a child or an adult they haven't had much involvement be alone with them (a child NEVER) - they have there own little pack arrangement and don't like it to be intruded upon.

They love the 2 cats and sleep in the lounge room on the rug with them when they are allowed inside - but I keep a close eye on there behavior - just in case.

[lardy]

dead on mittens