Salisbury rear diff for 109"

[Lost Landy]

Iam building up a 109' series 1 that has series 2A mechanicls like motor, box, diffs & so on.
I want to go a sailsbury diff at the rear. My question is should I cut the mounts on the diff housing & move them in (keeps Chassis original) or do I move the shackle mounts out further (not orignal) though better handling & makes replacing whole diff alot easier.

[isuzurover]

It is unlikely you will ever need to change housings, so there should be no issues with inboarding the mounts.

Outboard mounts will give you better handling and load carrying ability, but will be more work, decrease originality, and give you less wheel travel offroad.

The Salisbury in my IIA has a 2nd set of mounts attached as the PO of the axle intended to fit it to an 88".

If it was my 109" S1 though I would fit toyota 8" centres to the existing housings. It will look original unless someone looks very closely, and be much stronger than the rover diff. If you want to do iot on the cheap you could cut down some hilux or landcruiser axles and weld (and pin) them to series 1 drive flanges.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

You shouldn't have to move the spring mounts for a 109, they are in the same positions as the series 2a. The only long wheelbase that should need moving would be a 107" as they are in the same location as the 86" and 88".

The chassis rail spacings are the same right through the series Land Rovers.

Diana

[ORC1]

With reference to the Toyota diffs comment, please have a look at this very interesting USA site..

Loz

Toyota differentials (http://www.seriestrek.com/toyotadiffs.html)

[isuzurover]

You shouldn't have to move the spring mounts for a 109, they are in the same positions as the series 2a. The only long wheelbase that should need moving would be a 107" as they are in the same location as the 86" and 88".

The chassis rail spacings are the same right through the series Land Rovers.

Diana

I thought so too, but someone told me the 109 utes still had the inboarded springs???

Btw - get my PM?

[Sprint]

of course, theres allways the problems with legally moving suspension mounts.....

[Lotz-A-Landies]

I thought so too, but someone told me the 109 utes still had the inboarded springs???

Btw - get my PM?
No the inboard spring mounts are on the 107. For the 109 they were moved outboard like the later S2 109s.

Yes I did and have been contemplating it. Perth is a long way away so the cost of shipping will be prohibitive and you should be able to find another closer. Also at the present time I am keeping no3 should I need a pattern of some part that isn't on either of the other two. No 2 will be getting a V8 and r380/lt230 combination and was basically a chassis when I got it so not a lot of bits that are needed on no1. (No1 and 3 are all basically standard/original)

Diana

[dandlandyman]

Sorry, Diana, but all Series 1s (except the 107 station wagons alone) have the rear spring hangers in line with the chassis. I've seen it on three of a friends' 1958 109 projects, and another friends 109 farm truck.

Dan.
69 2A 88" pet4, 68 2B FC pet6.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Dan

Will take that under advisement.

Although I have some images at home of a 109 series 1 in Nowra with a Salisbury and rear springs outboard of the chassis. But those will have to wait until I finish work tonight.

Diana

[Lost Landy]

Went and had a look & all 4 or my 109" series 1s have the leaf springs directly under the chassis like my 88" series 1. There nothing like the later LWB series 2s.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Sorry, Diana, but all Series 1s (except the 107 station wagons alone) have the rear spring hangers in line with the chassis. I've seen it on three of a friends' 1958 109 projects, and another friends 109 farm truck.

Dan.
69 2A 88" pet4, 68 2B FC pet6.
Dan

It seems that you are correct. :( I checked my 1954-57 parts manual and the rear axle assemblies for both 107 and 109's are the same and therefore springs under the chassis rails. Which makes me wonder about this beastie:

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2009/07/1404.jpg

It is not on a S2 chassis because I was able to view the front outriggers and the rise in the chassis rails under the seatbox (which doesn't happen on s2 109 or 107 SW chassis) but it did/does have a Salisbury and I am 99.5% sure it had the spring hangers on outriggers.

Diana

[dandlandyman]

A modified camper, including a Series 2-3 roof (it doesn't fit properly). Someone was probably concerned about stability and did a wide spring base conversion on it. Lot of trouble though, and I think it might depreciate the Series 1 in the end.

Dan.
69 2A 88" pet4, 68 2B FC pet6.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Dan

Actually it is a 107 Station Wagon roof and there are a number of 107 body panels on the vehicle to the extent that I had to check that it is not a 107 SW chassis. If I had posted one of the other images you could see the straight bottom where the rear door should have been.

The camper conversion would have been quite livable at one point, but it was in a very deteriorated state when I saw it. It had also had a 4.4 V8 conversion at some time. Would be best to discard everything and start from the chassis up.

Diana

[dandlandyman]

Oops, yeah it is a 107 wagon roof - the gutter doesn't go right round the front. I got a bit ahead of myself. I don't think I'd be bothered with it unless it was worth a carton. Or less...

Dan.
69 2A 88" pet4, 68 2B FC pet6.

[Fourgearsticks]

Didn't the 107 wagon have the outriggers? Mine has a salsbury and from memory it bolted straight in. Ole havaloog tomorrow.

[Fourgearsticks]

Had a look and the rear leaves are mounted outboard of the chasis on the 107 wagon (This is different to the 107 ute). A salsbury bolted straight into ours.

[dandlandyman]

Yeah, that's the way a 107 wagon was built. The jump-up in the chassis longitudinals for the rear axle is also in different places - just behind the gearbox in 86s, 88s, 107s and 109 basics, but about in line with the spring hangers in 107 wagons.

Dan.
69 2A 88" pet4, 68 2B FC pet6.

[Lost Landy]

Yep I belive Land Rover used the 107 SW chassis as the bases for the "new" series 2 109" with the rear spring hangers set out side the chassis rails & still using the up swept chassis main rails.
As for fitting the salsbury diff Iam going to get the chassis modifiyed as I want to be able to change diffs if it fails in the middle of no where so to speak.

[isuzurover]

Yep I belive Land Rover used the 107 SW chassis as the bases for the "new" series 2 109" with the rear spring hangers set out side the chassis rails & still using the up swept chassis main rails.
As for fitting the salsbury diff Iam going to get the chassis modifiyed as I want to be able to change diffs if it fails in the middle of no where so to speak.

It is very unlikely that the housing will fail. The only parts of a sals that would ever need replacing would normally be the bearings and seals.

If it was me, I would probably do the toyota centre conversion to a couple of SIIA SWB housings. Will make everything more than strong enough (front will be stronger) - and it may work out cheaper than getting the chassis modified and blue plated.