Windshield Washer Required?

[neophyteguy]

Hello,
I am off to get my roadworthy next week. I woke up this morning and the first thing that popped into my head was "do I need a windshield washer"? I cant see where one was ever fitted, so I am going with NO, but any confirmation would be greatly appreciated.

I see where there are parts in the USA for windshield washers for the US cars,but I am hoping this was only applicable to the North American variants.

As always, Cheers! - Ronnie

[isuzurover]

ADRs are not retrospective, so they cannot make you fit equipment which wasn't originally there.

So - no - although you may have to argue the point.

[neophyteguy]

I found this on the VicRoads website:
"All motor vehicles manufactured on or after 1 September 1966 and required to be fitted with a windscreen wiper system must be fitted with an effective windscreen wiper system."

I'm not sure where or how the original (did it ever have one?) was position or how it worked, but I certainly cant find any traces of anything left over from one previously being fitted. In particular, I dont see any jets..................

Any help on how to proceed is greatly appreciated as I am off to the roadworthy guys on Wed and VicRoads on Friday.

Cheers,
Ronnie

[MickS]

Here you go Ronnie :D

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2009/07/1376.jpg

[isuzurover]

I found this on the VicRoads website:
"All motor vehicles manufactured on or after 1 September 1966 and required to be fitted with a windscreen wiper system must be fitted with an effective windscreen wiper system."

I'm not sure where or how the original (did it ever have one?) was position or how it worked, but I certainly cant find any traces of anything left over from one previously being fitted. In particular, I dont see any jets..................

Any help on how to proceed is greatly appreciated as I am off to the roadworthy guys on Wed and VicRoads on Friday.

Cheers,
Ronnie

Your original post mentioned windscreen WASHERS, your quote is about WIPERS. They are 2 different things.

I have registered 2x 1968 SIIAs (in QLD) with wipers but no washers fitted. No issues.

However, that said, it is sometimes a PITA not to have washers, and they are relatively easy to fit.

[Newbs-IIA]

BWHAHAHA my RWC bloke said I didn't even need wipers :D or seatbelts or reverse lights or roof or rollbar or a stack of other things i was stressing about

Love old cars :D

[neophyteguy]

Your original post mentioned windscreen WASHERS, your quote is about WIPERS. \

should have said "windscreen wipers" from the VicRoads site. Couldnt copy and paste as it was a .pdf and I couldnt figure it out.

I am off to see my roadworthy guy on Wed and I am not sure what his take is on this. VicRoads says I need one, but I am not really keen to drill holes to put one in if I dont need to........

Oh yeah, nice pic! Does that mean you are offering to hang out the window on a rainy day? Seriously, thanks for the laugh on this Friday of mine~!~~~~

[Newbs-IIA]

A windscrene "wiper" is different to a windscrene "washer". A wiper is the arm that moves across the windscrene and pushes the water off. A washer is a small jet attached to a pump and water tank which squirts water onto the windscrene to aid in windscrene "wiping".

A Series Landrover DOES NOT need a windscrene "washer", it does however need windscrene "wipers". If it never was fitted with them in australia then it is not required. The USA is NOT Australia so therefore whatever was done by the yanks has nothing to do with Vic Roads.

Hope this has cleared things up :) If the RWC bloke questions you on this, FIRMLY state (be confident) that a Series II Landrover was never fitted with windscrene "washers". Personally wipers and washers would be the last thing on my list for RWC - I would be more worried about the oil leaks :p

[isuzurover]

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should have said "windscreen wipers" from the VicRoads site. Couldnt copy and paste as it was a .pdf and I couldnt figure it out.

I am off to see my roadworthy guy on Wed and I am not sure what his take is on this. VicRoads says I need one, but I am not really keen to drill holes to put one in if I dont need to........

Oh yeah, nice pic! Does that mean you are offering to hang out the window on a rainy day? Seriously, thanks for the laugh on this Friday of mine~!~~~~

I assume this is what you found?

SECTION H - Windscreen Wipers, Washers etc.

All motor vehicles (except motorcycles) fitted with a windscreen must be fitted with an effective windscreen wiper system. If manufactured before 1960 then the wiper need only be fitted to the drivers side. On vehicles where the windscreen is such that a driver, in the normal driving position, can obtain adequate vision of the roadway ahead by looking over the top, below or to a side of the windscreen, a windscreen wiper system is not required.

If the vehicle is one required by the Standards or ADRs to have a windscreen washer system then the system must be fitted and work effectively.

All motor vehicles manufactured on or after 1 September 1966 and required to be fitted with a windscreen wiper system must be fitted with an effective windscreen washer system.

Both the windscreen wiper system and the windscreen washer system must be capable of being operated by the driver from the normal driving position.

All components of both systems must be secure, functional and not excessively worn. Windscreen wiper blades must only sweep over the windscreen glass and not contact any other component to an extent which could affect their performance while in operation.

Windscreen washer jets must be correctly aimed.

The dates in this are strange, because ADR16 which required all vehicles to be fitted with powered wipers AND washers was not introduced till 1973.

[Newbs-IIA]

I think that this is the most important line


If the vehicle is one required by the Standards or ADRs to have a windscreen washer system then the system must be fitted and work effectively.

If the compliance plate does not have the relivant ADR stamped on it then you do not require a washer system.

Honestly though... I have never seen a Series IIA with a washer system and I stand by my previous post - Have you fixed all the leaks? :p Won't you be kicking yourself if you don't get pulled up for not having a washer system but fail for loose wheel bearings or leaky axel seal all of which are much more important than a washer system ... :p

I only assume that your car is perfect and this is the last thing on the list :D

[dullbird]

I think that this is the most important line



If the compliance plate does not have the relivant ADR stamped on it then you do not require a washer system.

Honestly though... I have never seen a Series IIA with a washer system and I stand by my previous post - Have you fixed all the leaks? :p Won't you be kicking yourself if you don't get pulled up for not having a washer system but fail for loose wheel bearings or leaky axel seal all of which are much more important than a washer system ... :p

I only assume that your car is perfect and this is the last thing on the list :D

the 1970 2a that we wrecked did.....because that's how they drove it on to the drive:D.....as the fuel pump was not working they rerouted the washer bottle and used the washer pump to supply fuel :lol2: it worked they drove it about 500 meters and just as they put it on the drive it stalled.....how ever it took two people to drive on steering and the other pressing the washer so the pump would pump fuel.

I will also state though this was an imported vehicle, also could well of been fitted after market...but it looked original

[JDNSW]

My ex-army 1970 2a was required to be fittedwith a washer to be registered in Victoria in 1992, its first civilian registration. (And it is one of the things I have to get working each year for its annual inspection)

In a similar way, when I transferred the registration of my first 2a from NT to NSW in 1966, I had to fit a LH wiper to it.

Worth noting that no 2a will have a compliance plate - these were not introduced until after the 2a was replaced by the 3.

John

[fraser130]

Just wondering, would one of the spray bar systems be an idea?
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2009/07/1348.jpg

I guess the tube(s) could come up from under the bonnet thus avoiding any holes?

I've been meaning to get a set for the Defender to replace the existing nozzle.

Fraser

Edit:
Found this too:
Wiper Mod (http://www.verboom.net/projects/speedster/20060114/index.html)

[peterg1001]

You can achieve the same result by using a mini garden sprinkler fitting attached via a sprinkler tube to the windscreen wiper with some cable ties. Very cheap and easy to set up. You'll still need to buy the washer bottle, which usually comes with a builtin pump.

Peter

[neophyteguy]

Thanks guys! Looks like my typo has caused plenty of issues here. At the end of the day, I do I have a couple of options IF I do need a washer system. As I read what is on the VicRoads site. I'm not really sure why you brought the yanks into this Newbs as the information both myself and Isuzu were quoting was from the VicRoads site which is clearly Australian. (and yes, I will be kicking myself if there are leaks that I havent taken care of).

At this point I will take the vehicle to VicRoads on Friday and see what they think. If I do in fact need to retrofit a washer system then I will do something along the lines of what PeterG and Fraser have suggested and will post some pics.

Thanks again, Ronnie

[neophyteguy]

Worth noting that no 2a will have a compliance plate - these were not introduced until after the 2a was replaced by the 3.

John

John, I just had a look and I do actually have an ADR plate mounted on my vehicle. It says the vehicle should be in compliance with ADR 47.

Cheers,
Ronnie

[neophyteguy]

Well, the final verdict is that I was able to get a roadworthy and subsequent registration without a washer. I spoke with the mechanic and he said as long as he couldnt see where the vehicle had a previous washer system then he had to assume it never had one. He wasn't overly concerned about this really and mostly concentrated on leaks, ball joints, etc.

Thanks as always to everyone! Also, I have a washer system for sale if anyone is interested..................

Also, it is worth noting that in the inspection bay there were a number of sticks (branches off trees actually!) that had rags on them. These rags all then were oil soaked and I assume this is what they use to wipe oil/grease from areas to show owners why they are being failed. Fortunately this apparatus wasn't used on my vehicle.

Finally, my canvas/tilt was not back from the repairers yet so I drove to the inspection station with only the doors, windows and the frame on. No one questioned this, so I can only assume that having a roof on isnt required for the inspection.

Thumbs up to the vicroads guys as they were great to deal with and the appointment system (you book a time in advance) means the entire process only took about 40 minutes.

Thanks to you all for getting us to roadworthy and rego!--Ronnie

[Bigbjorn]

My ex-army 1970 2a was required to be fittedwith a washer to be registered in Victoria in 1992, its first civilian registration. (And it is one of the things I have to get working each year for its annual inspection)

In a similar way, when I transferred the registration of my first 2a from NT to NSW in 1966, I had to fit a LH wiper to it.

Worth noting that no 2a will have a compliance plate - these were not introduced until after the 2a was replaced by the 3.

John

I'm with John here. First compliance plates were when? 1972? Anyway, after the build of IIA's ceased. That would have been 1970, would it not?

[Bigbjorn]

For historical interest, the Qld. Traffic Act provided that windscreen wipers were not required on vehicles first registered in Qld. before 1/7/1936 if the vehicle had an opening windscreen. Many vehicles of the 20's did not have wipers, or they were fitted after-market, often hand operated.

First cars I ever saw with standard washers were Simca Aronde in the late fifties or early sixties. We used to cobble up washers for trials cars using an electric fuel pump and gas burner nozzles (Bray burners).

[neophyteguy]

I'm with John here. First compliance plates were when? 1972? Anyway, after the build of IIA's ceased. That would have been 1970, would it not?

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This is the plate off my 1971 Series 11a, so all I can say is that my vehicle does currently have a compliance plate on it which mentions ADR's.

[Bigbjorn]

http://i729.photobucket.com/albums/ww297/neophyteguy/71%20Landie%20Pics/IMG_0677.jpg

This is the plate off my 1971 Series 11a, so all I can say is that my vehicle does currently have a compliance plate on it which mentions ADR's.

I stand corrected. ADR 4 is seat belts, and ADR 7 is hydraulic brake hoses. I still don't think IIA's were made in 1971. Was probably an unfinished leftover in plant stock. Date of 1/71 is a bit of an indicator of this as the plant used to shut at Christmas and come back middle of January and not much got built for a couple of weeks whilst suppliers returned and components arrived, were unpacked, distributed to line stations, etc. PMC was the comic opera version of assembly plants, something like Italian race teams pit stops. Can someone else add to this.

[JDNSW]

http://i729.photobucket.com/albums/ww297/neophyteguy/71%20Landie%20Pics/IMG_0677.jpg

This is the plate off my 1971 Series 11a, so all I can say is that my vehicle does currently have a compliance plate on it which mentions ADR's.

Well, that must be the earliest compliance plate I have ever seen - From this it seems likely that it was January 71 they came in, so most 2as would not have been included. And it would seem that only one ADR was listed - I wonder what it says (or said in 1971)?

John