.50 Cal machine gun [Archive] - Australian Land Rover Owners

Allan

5th July 2009, 01:03 AM

Took my SVX to the dealer with rattling clutch and engine rattlle when starting cold last week. They replaced the clutch with a modified unit from the U.K. The 50 cal engine noise that was backed up by a yellow light and loss off power was put down to a fuel metering valve. I know others have had hell with this noise. Maybe worth a look. By the way new clutch is awsum. My SVX is now the vehicle I thought I was getting in October last year. Stick with it, (stiff upper lip) you will eventualy end up with a good 4x4 or if your really unlucky and your dealer is crap you may end up in psychiatric care (stiff upper lip may not hold up.) Jokes aside, why does this product have so many faults? This vehicle just needs quality control. Why cant they get it right after 60 years of practice. I know all the arguments, its a Defender, this is what they are like, ect....... The poms eventualy learned to win a game of cricket, so Why cant they build a kit car?????????? My wife has a Jag, its reliable, Jaguar used to be the joke of world motering. My defender is built by the same compony!!!!!!! So far I have spent almost $90000 buying and kitting out this vehicle, come on Land Rover get with the program.

Love the thing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Allan

kenleyfred

5th July 2009, 10:36 AM

Hi Allan
Our SVX has also had a ride on a flatbed recovery truck to spend a few days at the dealer because of the fuel metering valve.
When coasting in neutral we get a weird knocking noise. Sadly the dealer says this noise is normal and they all do it. Strange that it has only just started happening.
Ah. The joys of our Defender. BUT it shouldn't be this way.
Kenley

solmanic

5th July 2009, 10:36 AM

Please keep us posted on whether the rattle has gone or not. I think all of us who experience the mysterious cold engine rattle have had the fuel metering valve (I presume this is the fuel pressure regulating valve you're referring to) replaced along with the EGR and yet our rattles persist.

Interesting that you have also had to have the clutch replaced. So have I and yes, it made a huge difference. Why do I get the feeling that Land Rover are building the Defender using seconds, and then following up with replacements using the parts they should have in the first place.

dullbird

5th July 2009, 11:05 AM

Took my SVX to the dealer with rattling clutch and engine rattlle when starting cold last week. They replaced the clutch with a modified unit from the U.K.
The 50 cal engine noise that was backed up by a yellow light and loss off power was put down to a fuel metering valve. I know others have had hell with this noise.
Maybe worth a look. By the way new clutch is awsum. My SVX is now the vehicle I thought I was getting in October last year. Stick with it, (stiff upper lip) you will eventualy end up with a good 4x4 or if your really unlucky and your dealer is crap you may end up in psychiatric care (stiff upper lip may not hold up.) Jokes aside, why does this product have so many faults? This vehicle just needs quality control. Why cant they get it right after 60 years of practice. I know all the arguments, its a Defender, this is what they are like, ect....... The poms eventualy learned to win a game of cricket, so Why cant they build a kit car?????????? My wife has a Jag, its reliable, Jaguar used to be the joke of world motering. My defender is built by the same compony!!!!!!! So far I have spent almost $90000 buying and kitting out this vehicle, come on Land Rover get with the program.

Love the thing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Allan

Yes I believe ours has been replaced I think 2 maybe even 3 times now;)

PAT303

5th July 2009, 05:10 PM

Sorry but I don't believe it.The cold engine knock is common across every make of common rail engines.It's uneven combustion IMHO,nothing to do with the fuel valve.With clutches it seems to be they are good or bad,once again IMHO I think they are like brake pads as far as once they stopped using asbestos the quality went south as there is no other product that's as good as it. Pat

dullbird

5th July 2009, 05:18 PM

you may think its nothing to do with the fuel valve Pat.....which I'm inclined to agree as you well know it hasn't fixed ours hence my comment.

But in Allans defence the reason we have had ours changed out is not lets try this and see what happens, we have had the relevant fault cod logged (the log for a failed valve) on our car more than once hence the changing of it.

So possibly the valve failing is a consequence of the more main problem...:)

Allan

5th July 2009, 06:57 PM

Thats very correct. The code was displayed on both occasions, hence the replacement. What else can the dealer do. You can only suck it and see. The clutch problem is the pressure plate springs not what the plate is made from. I remember Ford Falcons had a problem like this 35 years ago when I was a machanic at lynfords. I will keep up with the engine noise and keep every one imformed. This morning no noise and temp bloody cold (for Perth,) Long trip comming up soon so will have plenty off time to gather imfo. If it all turns to crap Landrover will now about it for sure, if they care???????

Allan

PAT303

5th July 2009, 07:13 PM

Trouble with clutch's is that they get hot spots on the face of them which then causes the shuddering which then floggs the springs out and I think causes alot of the R380 trouble such as broken mainshafts as 2.5 tons of defender gets loaded and unloaded through the shudder to the shaft,it is the reason that disc's wear now with the pads,it's the only way to get a good brake effect.For all it's bad pionts,such as causing a bad death,asbestos was the best friction material around. Pat

Allan

5th July 2009, 11:16 PM

Never had shudder just chatter at low speed. The clutch would rattle like hell if you did not depress it when starting/stopping the engine, hot or cold. This vehicle has only done 6500km. Its not done any hard off road work as yet . The dealer tells me some of the clutches have had this problem.

Allan

dullbird

6th July 2009, 05:49 PM

I have had that rattle on start up from the clutch how ever you press it and release and it goes away...dealer tells me its normal ;) I'm glad you got yours changed allan it appears we have used up all our good will:D

Allan

7th July 2009, 12:31 AM

Thanks, our dealer told us a few pumas have had this modification. It used to chatter at low speed and this problem is also gone since change of clutch. Its worth asking, I was told Vin number is guide to the replacement with this modified clutch but who knows as nobody is very imformative as to what is wrong with the parts they replace. I didn't set eyes on either the new or old clutch. (secret service) By the way no engie rattle as yet and weater in Perth today was shocker.

Allan

fiddletown_joel

9th July 2009, 07:52 PM

Hehe, I'm gonna be firing a browning .50cal later this month. $8/round, 100 rounds = $800 of taxpayers money in a minute! guess its like a taxback for me!

Allan

9th July 2009, 11:39 PM

Dont tell me ................ You drive a Pink Panther!

Allan

p38arover

10th July 2009, 12:03 AM

So far I have spent almost $90000 buying and kitting out this vehicle,

Crikey! :eek:

Allan

10th July 2009, 12:10 AM

SVX with the lot

Allan:twisted::twisted::twisted::twisted::twisted:

dullbird

10th July 2009, 06:10 PM

your telling me you have put 20 grands worth of accessories on that vehicle....

Well lets see your list because I don't believe it.....unless of course you have fitted everything with the main dealer...and that's EVERY option available:D

Allan

11th July 2009, 09:51 AM

Now let me think. AT tyres, Engel Fridge,Waeco two zone,Tracklander roof rack, ARB airlockers, ARB compressor, OME 2inch lift (since removed due to warranty concerns during the propshaft saga), OME shocks, OME steering damper, Modified ARB winch bar, Warn winch, Saffari snorkel, Donaldson pre fillter, ARB duel battery system, 3 power outlets in rear, Subaru mini spots as reverse lights, IPF spot lights, Land anchor (not the wife), winch extension, snatch strap, tree protection sling, Exhaust jack, UHF radio, rubber mats front and rear, chequer plate to guard tops sills and rear quarter panels,Landrover rear ladder, caster control bushes (also since removed) plus Tint, Snap on seat covers for the recaro's, Rear seat covers to keep the staffys hair of the trim, shackles and associated recovery gear like Maxx Tracks etc plus of course labour to fit all these items. As you can now see there was little change from $20000! By the way STILL no engine rattle!!!!

Allan

dullbird

11th July 2009, 12:52 PM

ok I never realised you had lockers and the like.....I though you had had a diff change for some reason.....

I also though you ment accessorising the car not buying recovery equipment etc

Allan

11th July 2009, 01:45 PM

All part of offroading and vehicle needs. Don't need any of that stuff for wife's Jaguar but I don't use that to pull a boat up a beach up north or drive 10 kms down a very soft beach with a load of diving gear. Did have a diff change (front) before air locker was fitted.

Allan

solmanic

11th July 2009, 04:38 PM

I've got a radio in mine :)

Brid

11th July 2009, 05:19 PM

I had my clutch replaced under warranty also, but it wasn't a shudder problem, rather slight gear grating. In relation to "dealer says it's normal", I wouldn't take that as gospel by any means.

"Normal" might mean another one in the workshop does it too, so it's all right, or it could be a regular fault. Or it might mean a defect that they haven't got an upgraded part or kit for yet.

I'm afraid our Brisbane dealer has said a lot of things are normal, but persevere with the complaint and they eventually fix it up, or at least some of the time, eg

Front doors weren't staying open...normal! Next warranty visit & complaint they adjust it properly. Likewise the front springs. Same as one in the workshop, so "normal". I reckon they sag ex-factory, because the top 3 loops of the variable rate coils sit on top of each other. I had them replaced, supposedly with 130 fronts (but they were still variable, so they were 110's).
A little better for a while but I ended up buying 130 springs anyway, and fitting myself...no point pursuing the warranty side any more on that issue.

Brid

dullbird

11th July 2009, 05:25 PM

3 times we have mentioned it however I have had another PUMA driver drive the car and he says its driving fine! so i'm happy to live with it......the day I called him the car was most definitely NOT driving fine but couple of days before and after all was good...go figure.

Allan

11th July 2009, 05:31 PM

I agree with you regarding the front springs. I did a 2 inch lift on mine originally because of the front bar, winch etc but ended up with prop shaft uni problems. It was recommended by the dealer that I put back the original springs or warranty problems could arise. Now I also have the front sag.:( I think after my trip to the north west next week I also may look at 130 springs. Did it improve your vehicle much?

Allan

lardy

11th July 2009, 07:34 PM