Urgent HELP Needed

[disco_mitch]

Just had gear box rebuild seems they might be having a lend of me and my bank account can anyone with knowledge call me?

Extreamly appreciated 0434008854

Mitch

[disco_mitch]

as posted elsewhere i just had my zf rebuilt and i got it back yesterday for the second time i made it home this time but went to go to work the smorning and it wouldent get into drive after some stuffing around i got it in than it had to warm up to get in second, rang the guy he told me this is normall rang a few other contacts they said no its not normall, than at lunch it did the same thing and i rang him and told him and also said ive spoken to a few people who have said it is not normall for this to happen after a full rebuild and he replied with oh um yes um oh um yes um um no your right its not normall how about you bring it back to me the sarvo, than the sarvo it was fine what should i do

[justinc]

No it is NOT normal, and sounds as if there is still a problem.
Hope it gets sorted ASAP:(

JC

[disco_mitch]

No it is NOT normal, and sounds as if there is still a problem.
Hope it gets sorted ASAP:(

JC

he believes it is beacause it has new seals and they need to bed in, just let her cool down and once again no drive unless i rev it for a bit than it will throw into gear, my nest question is that i can no longer borrow a mates car as i have been doing for the last 3 weeks should i be entilted to one of there coars or them to pay for a hire car why he has a 3rd go at fixing it

[B92 8NW]

he believes it is beacause it has new seals and they need to bed in, just let her cool down and once again no drive unless i rev it for a bit than it will throw into gear, my nest question is that i can no longer borrow a mates car as i have been doing for the last 3 weeks should i be entilted to one of there coars or them to pay for a hire car why he has a 3rd go at fixing it

Sounds like he might have ****ed the pump when reinstalling the transmission. Supposedly it isn't hard to do.

[disco_mitch]

Sounds like he might have ****ed the pump when reinstalling the transmission. Supposedly it isn't hard to do.

hmm so should new seals cause it to have trouble going into gear, when its warm it goes in but not when its cold i have to rev the $%^& out of it

[tony]

sounds to me like theres a problem in the valve body...very easy to stuff up, if you take your eye off the ball:angel::angel::angel::angel: theres bits that fit both ways but only work the right way

where are you

if the repairer has allready had one go at fixing the problem I'd be telling him your takeing it else were and hes paying

T

[disco_mitch]

sounds to me like theres a problem in the valve body...very easy to stuff up, if you take your eye off the ball:angel::angel::angel::angel: theres bits that fit both ways but only work the right way

where are you

if the repairer has allready had one go at fixing the problem I'd be telling him your takeing it else were and hes paying

T


seems there could be a number of reasons for it but also seems it is not that it simply needs to be run in, i dont want to go to the extent of making him pay for someone else to do the work as long as he provides me with a car

[tony]

seems there could be a number of reasons for it but also seems it is not that it simply needs to be run in, i dont want to go to the extent of making him pay for someone else to do the work as long as he provides me with a car


mate from what I read hes had a couple of goes at fixing it hes given you a load of bull extrement as to why its not right how many chances you wanna give this guy...

my money is valve body if you have to rev the brests off the car to get it to change gear what your doing is incresseing the pressure in the v-body points to valves not right


she'd have to be real good looking for me to give him another chance, hire a car and get him to foot the bill for that as well
T

[V8Ian]

I'd have to agree with Tony, this dude's had two goes already. He ain't got a clue.:mad:

[justinc]

The other possibility is that the filter to valve body O ring is damaged during installation allowing air to get sucked up instead of oil after starting first up, therefore no or low pressures. I have seen this before and it was easy to do if the installer/ rebuilder is in a rush and doesn't take care when fitting the filter up to the valve body, also I have seen incorrect section Orings appear in service kits and they DO NOT seal.

Importantly, Don't continue to drive it as any damage caused by continued use after a fault has been detected theoretically is your fault:( (At least that could be an angle for the repairer to try on you if they won't honour any warranty etc.:mad:)

JC

[disco_mitch]

The other possibility is that the filter to valve body O ring is damaged during installation allowing air to get sucked up instead of oil after starting first up, therefore no or low pressures. I have seen this before and it was easy to do if the installer/ rebuilder is in a rush and doesn't take care when fitting the filter up to the valve body, also I have seen incorrect section Orings appear in service kits and they DO NOT seal.

Importantly, Don't continue to drive it as any damage caused by continued use after a fault has been detected theoretically is your fault:( (At least that could be an angle for the repairer to try on you if they won't honour any warranty etc.:mad:)

JC

he keeps telling me to keep driving it, but it will be going back to him today and ill be telling him to keep fixing it till its fixed, appreciate all the help by the way,

[V8Ian]

Contact the MTA in your state.

[disco_mitch]

made some calls and seeing he is prepared to have a third go at it other than paying $40 to lodge a complaint that will be looked at there is not much else i can do so i spoke to him and he wont give me a car so we came to the agreement that they would drive to my work pick it up and drop it back off which leaves me satisfied as long as it is fixed

[peter5111]

3rd attempt?!? :eek: WTF!

Dude, do you really want somebody working on your auto box who is either
A ) Careless
B )Incompetent

I don't know which is worse.

I am no lawyer but surely you have a leg to stand on to get the job done properly by somebody who knows what they are doing.

Don't let yourself get pressured into making a sub optimal decision based around lack of transport. You can get a set of wheels for $400 in the trading post to get you by for a couple of weeks

[disco_mitch]

ok enough is enough he had anather go at it today just went out there and its still no good his now had it 3 times, any suggestions on how to aproach him tomoz what should i ask for ect ect

[B92 8NW]

ok enough is enough he had anather go at it today just went out there and its still no good his now had it 3 times, any suggestions on how to aproach him tomoz what should i ask for ect ect

It's really unclear as to what the problem actually is. You said two hours and forty minutes ago it was working perfectly.

Was the transmission fully rebuilt (fully being the key word) or was it just the governor and failed clutch replaced?

Tell us exactly what the transmission is doing. What happens when you put it into drive and attempt to go somewhere?

[p38arover]

I wonder what the affect on the A-clutch pack will be if over-revved?

Have a read here: Transmission Diagnosis & Repair (http://www.rangerovers.net/repairdetails/drivetrain/transrepair.html)

Try asking Dave (username Ashtrans on this forum) from Ashcrofts for a comment - Ashcrofts are well known in the LR transmission area. Maybe a PM?

[LOVEMYRANGIE]

..Or call ZF Australia. Think they in Arndell Park somewhere. Speak to one of the tech guys and they should be able to tell you what may be causing it.

Look up ZF Trading or ZF Australia in the Whitepages.

Cheers

Andrew

[disco_mitch]

It's really unclear as to what the problem actually is. You said two hours and forty minutes ago it was working perfectly.

Was the transmission fully rebuilt (fully being the key word) or was it just the governor and failed clutch replaced?

Tell us exactly what the transmission is doing. What happens when you put it into drive and attempt to go somewhere?

he dropped it back to me at work yesterday arvo and it drove like a dream than last night i went out to move the car and had to rev it to 3k for about 10seconds than it went into gear and was fine, this morning it was fine also so i dont know what to do or think

[George130]

Still sounds like not enough pressure in the box for things to engage. If it was a full rebuild then they have stuffed up somewhere. A few things can cause this.
Failing clutch packs,
Failing torque converter,
Not enough transmission fluid,
Sticking valve in the valve body,
Faulty pump.

First thing is to cofirm the correct amount of fluid is in the box.

Now if the torque converter is not engaging the pump properly then this can happen. Problem here is that it can take seconds for the pump cog to be damaged and require replacing (Did this with my box rebuild).

Did they fit the pick up to the oil filter? If the pick up is missing then you will have intermitent fluid loss depending on angles etc.

After 3 times trying to fix it you have a problem. Time to be firm but polite. If they give you the run around them be harsh on their ability to sort it out.

When you rev it does it engage suddenly or slowly?
Also check the oil to see how clear it is and does it smell.

The other question is what happened to require the rebuild? You also havn't said of they did a full rebuild or just a partial reuild.

[disco_mitch]

ok just went out and every time i jumped back in the car after 10mins-half hour i had to rev it to 3k after about 10 seconds in gently goes into gear and than its fine, the reason for the rebuild was in the morning it would stick in first gear till it warmed up and sometimes i would have trouble getting it into gear, on the invoice it says

gsr kit 168
friction clutch kit 230
filter 26
tourque convertor 380
govenor support 125
fluid 68
labour 980

i dont know what to do about it he has had the thing 3 times his a reputable zf mech im trying to do the right thing by him but im not sure if his doing the right thing by me, it cost me $2200 everywhere else said it would start at about $3500 so i dont know if his cheap as he knows what his doing or if he is cheap because of other reasons thinking about going up there tomoz and having a chat with him

[disco_mitch]

well i just spoke to him again and straight away he said it must need a new pump, i think that was always in the back of his mind but he was just trying to get away with it, not sure if i should ask for a refund off him and go somewhere else but i think his being good and standing by his waranty and fixing it no questions asked and if i go somewhere else ill prob end up forking out a heap more money and ill still be without the car anyway, said he will order a pump and get back to me to arange when he can have the car as frustrated as i am i have got to admit his customer service is good, and anather way im thinking of it is if he had done the pump in the first place than i would have had to pay for it at least this way i wont have to pay for it

[George130]

ok just went out and every time i jumped back in the car after 10mins-half hour i had to rev it to 3k after about 10 seconds in gently goes into gear and than its fine, the reason for the rebuild was in the morning it would stick in first gear till it warmed up and sometimes i would have trouble getting it into gear, on the invoice it says

gsr kit 168
friction clutch kit 230
filter 26
tourque convertor 380
govenor support 125
fluid 68
labour 980

i dont know what to do about it he has had the thing 3 times his a reputable zf mech im trying to do the right thing by him but im not sure if his doing the right thing by me, it cost me $2200 everywhere else said it would start at about $3500 so i dont know if his cheap as he knows what his doing or if he is cheap because of other reasons thinking about going up there tomoz and having a chat with him

Some good prices in there.
My fluid works out at 160 to 200. Tourque Converter cost me 600. Clutch kit was more also. Mine is stupidly heavy duty though and not standard. My clutch pack was built specificaly for my rig, Tourque Converter was also specialy built.

[disco_mitch]

Some good prices in there.
My fluid works out at 160 to 200. Tourque Converter cost me 600. Clutch kit was more also. Mine is stupidly heavy duty though and not standard. My clutch pack was built specificaly for my rig, Tourque Converter was also specialy built.

he told me that was heavy duty he does a lot of zf rebuilds so maybe he gets them at a good price

[George130]

he told me that was heavy duty he does a lot of zf rebuilds so maybe he gets them at a good price

Maybee. Mine was done by a mate who didn't charge labour. But then my box is in a Defender 130 putting out huge power.

[disco_mitch]

Maybee. Mine was done by a mate who didn't charge labour. But then my box is in a Defender 130 putting out huge power.

yea im sure there would be variants beetween builders, he did tell me he put all heavy duty gear in it as he knew what she was in for

[mike 90 RR]

...... as frustrated as i am i have got to admit his customer service is good, ....

Sometimes, some jobs that we do, just seem to go belly up ... happens to us all / and I guess it's happening to your mechanic ... at least he's seeing the job through to the end .....

[disco_mitch]

well he had it again on thursday and friday for the 4th time and its still not fixed i really dont know what to do or where to go from here,
he said that he changed some alloy seals to nylon or on the convertor shaft

[Blknight.aus]

IF hes not charging you for the time hes working on it now (it should have been fixed first go) and hes providing you with an alternate set of wheels (or not have ing the car isnt causing you hassles) Leave him to have at it.

I'm not prepared to second guess whats wrong in this particular situation as theres a lot of things (almost all of them mentioned already) that can cause the problems your having It could be a twisted O ring, an incorrectly assembled clutch pack, the oil pump could be shot, It could be the wrong oil pump, If he had the brain out it could be installed/assembled or it could just be the pump seal got skewered when hes mated up the TC.

IF you (or he depeding on your perspective) It might even be as simple as hes got the oil level wrong or theres a crack in the pickup on the replacement filter that he hasnt seen because hes not looking for damage on a brand new part. (just ask Brian Hejlm about the hair pulling I did trying to sort out his gearbox/clutch that only took me 3 weeks)

I'd be asking what his plans are to resolve the problem. I personally would be expecting to hear words along the lines of "Im going to replace the box with a reco unit"

In his defence... assuming hes not had time to do the run in drive he first time you got it he should have given you a list of driving instructions to "bed in" the new parts the autos I've had to do work on have always had some initial quirks as the packs and seal settle in but I've never had them as bad as what you're describing.

And just to be stupid. Is the shifter/throttle sense cable correctly adjusted?

[disco_mitch]

IF hes not charging you for the time hes working on it now (it should have been fixed first go) and hes providing you with an alternate set of wheels (or not have ing the car isnt causing you hassles) Leave him to have at it.

I'm not prepared to second guess whats wrong in this particular situation as theres a lot of things (almost all of them mentioned already) that can cause the problems your having It could be a twisted O ring, an incorrectly assembled clutch pack, the oil pump could be shot, It could be the wrong oil pump, If he had the brain out it could be installed/assembled or it could just be the pump seal got skewered when hes mated up the TC.

IF you (or he depeding on your perspective) It might even be as simple as hes got the oil level wrong or theres a crack in the pickup on the replacement filter that he hasnt seen because hes not looking for damage on a brand new part. (just ask Brian Hejlm about the hair pulling I did trying to sort out his gearbox/clutch that only took me 3 weeks)

I'd be asking what his plans are to resolve the problem. I personally would be expecting to hear words along the lines of "Im going to replace the box with a reco unit"

In his defence... assuming hes not had time to do the run in drive he first time you got it he should have given you a list of driving instructions to "bed in" the new parts the autos I've had to do work on have always had some initial quirks as the packs and seal settle in but I've never had them as bad as what you're describing.

And just to be stupid. Is the shifter/throttle sense cable correctly adjusted?

if he was giving me a car i couldent care if it took him anather 3 weeks to fix it but he wont give me a car or provide a hire car and thats my problem i need to tow a trailer to work sometimes 5different jobs in a day so im screwed without a car i think i need to give him the ultimatim of organise me a car with a towbar until it is fixed or fix my bank balance

[Blknight.aus]

if he was giving me a car i couldent care if it took him anather 3 weeks to fix it but he wont give me a car or provide a hire car and thats my problem i need to tow a trailer to work sometimes 5different jobs in a day so im screwed without a car i think i need to give him the ultimatim of organise me a car with a towbar until it is fixed or fix my bank balance

mention words like consumer affairs, department of fair trading, ombudsman.

[V8Ian]

mention words like consumer affairs, department of fair trading, ombudsman.
And MTA(insert your state here):mad:

[discoveryseries1]

Some good prices in there.
My fluid works out at 160 to 200. Tourque Converter cost me 600. Clutch kit was more also. Mine is stupidly heavy duty though and not standard. My clutch pack was built specificaly for my rig, Tourque Converter was also specialy built.
hi , sounds like your alredy into the repair, i have had costly repairs to my d1 engine, we spent 6000 au between parts and machining (some mods) and we have decided before hand if the zf goes, because of the cost, we are going to put in a recon 5 speed and new clutch because of the cost of autos and i would not have a clue if a mechanic was pulling one on my, he could tell me that he had to replace both chuffers and i would not have a clue. thats just my 2 cents. good luck with the build. :(

[disco_mitch]

well the week before last he asked when i can get the car back to him and i told him when he can give me a car as i am not going to be without mine for a 5th time said he dont think there is anything he can do but he will call me next week and sort something out, so he still hasnt called and im getting jack of the box and him not just giving me a car and getting the job done

im thinking about going down the road of getting a refund and taking it elsewhere to have the problem sorted or should i just let him finish what he started

[disco_mitch]

ok what do i do

they want the car for the 5th time to have anather go

im happy for them to have anather go but im not going without a car again i have a job to get to

do i

A give them the car and find a way of getting to work
B ask them for a refund which they have already said they arent interested in they want to fix the car

C take it to fair trading get my money back and go somewhere else
D take it to fair trading and get them to pay someone else

[dullbird]

I would be saying if you want to have another crack for the 5th time you will be supplying me with a car if you are unable to do this then you will be getting a refund or part refund...

perhaps you should have a solicitor put it on headed paper for you if they are being difficult

[Blknight.aus]

I would be running with dull birds suggestion but I'd do it slightly differently.

Id go calmly, in person, and talk to them first thing in the morning before they get all stressed out that you plan on going to a solicitor to get legal advice. Since you are unable to do this untill tomorrow you'd like to ask what they think of either laying on a suitable loan vehicle, getting in an auto specialist to do it, dropping in a professionally recod box or refunding the job. If they are willing and you like the sound of what they are offering ask them to put it in writing.

[justinc]

Goodness! Is this STILL going on????

Mitch,

I agree with DB and Dave, this is beyond a joke and a resolution needs to be reached:( Either make good the repairs, or supply and fit another trans. I would strongly insist you contact the MTA in this case.
Hope it doesn't drag on any longer:mad:

JC

[disco_mitch]

semms im not just being a winger about it

the secratery called me on friday and asked if they can book it in for tuesday i asked if they are getting me a way to get to work she said no they cant do and suggested i go and hire a car(from my wallet of course)
told her that i cant do that and that i was about jack of this and by noe they should be working something out for me said they are welcome to have the car over a weekend but they dont work weekends(not sure what work they have done)

i suggested that i was ready to ask for a refund and she said that they wont be giving one as they are willing to take out the repairs but they dont have to provide me with a car while they do that as thats not in there clause,
so i think ill call him on monday and say it goes like this

i swap you my car for anather one why you fix mine....no ok reserect my bank balance......no ok ill go call consumer affairs and they can deal with it

[dullbird]

Still think you should talk to a solicitor and have him send them a letter...they they will know that you mean business......and tell them also that consumer affiars have also been contacted

[disco_mitch]

Still think you should talk to a solicitor and have him send them a letter...they they will know that you mean business......and tell them also that consumer affiars have also been contacted

dont really have the money for a solicitor, i feel fair trading will do there bit when i have spoken to them they just want to put it down on paper so they can send an inspector out to see me

[disco_mitch]

well chat with them again today and he asked me to leave my missus at home and take her car even though our 6month old daughter has just had her kidney removed than he asked me to borrow a friends car or get a lift

told him he can have the car if he gives me one but he wont and now it looks like it wont go past 3rd gear

so i called but he wasnt there and the person that i spoke to was quite rude which tipped me over the edge so i have lodged it with department of fair trading, didnt want to do things this way but i think its the only option

[justinc]

Bloody hell Mitch, If I were closer I'd lend you a vehicle, I even have a used Autobox we could've done a deal over for now until this business is sorted out! I Can't BELIEVE it is still going on!!!:mad::mad::mad:

Hope all improves ASAP, anything you think I can help with, just shout!

JC

[disco_mitch]

Bloody hell Mitch, If I were closer I'd lend you a vehicle, I even have a used Autobox we could've done a deal over for now until this business is sorted out! I Can't BELIEVE it is still going on!!!:mad::mad::mad:

Hope all improves ASAP, anything you think I can help with, just shout!

JC

might move to tassie seems there is a little thing that goes a long way called service there, yes this guy does seem to be taking advantage of me being nice about it so we will see where it goes from here

[GS-ADI]

Keep us all posted with what fair trade does,

[subasurf]

yes this guy does seem to be taking advantage of me

I'm not surprised. You practically bent over and lubed up for him. I'd only ever give a mechanic a second chance at doing something...and no more. The guy is a **** and you, for some reason, just let him take advantage of you and you didn't stand up for yourself.
Be firm with him, tell him you're going to make complaints and help try and stop him from ripping off the next poor sod who doesn't stick up for themselves.

This thread caused plenty of head shaking on this side of the interwebs.

[disco_mitch]

went to fair trading and now he has the car and i have a hire car at his expense if its not fixed this time that thats it no more chances he will be paying for either a new gearbox or someone else to fix it and anather hire car

[abaddonxi]

Excellent. Hope that's sorted it. Hope your daughter is allright.

[disco_mitch]

picked it up today told me it "was a valve" before it was that it was leaking fluid throught the shaft and he had to find which seal it was, this guy is having me on anyway it still revs at 3000 when sitting on 110 than went to the shops for half hour and guess what put it in reverse and had to rev it to get it into gear

im jack of this guy if he cant fix it after 5 goes than i dont rekon he can fix it so im going to fair trading and im going to request that anather shop with a good reputation fix it "properly" and also that i have a hire car again and that this is at his expence seeings ive paid him to do the job surely im not being unfair am i

[Blknight.aus]

WAG,,,

the pump seals stuffed.

ask him if he has the proper inserting tools for doing the seals and how he goes abount mounting the TC to the box prior to assembly.

get him to hook up his pressure gauges to the box and to record the pressures.

If he doesnt have an auto pressure gauge youve got him by the short and curlies.

[disco_mitch]

WAG,,,

the pump seals stuffed.

ask him if he has the proper inserting tools for doing the seals and how he goes abount mounting the TC to the box prior to assembly.

get him to hook up his pressure gauges to the box and to record the pressures.

If he doesnt have an auto pressure gauge youve got him by the short and curlies.

he has a guage coz he has said to me before that he needs to pressure test it......to be honest im not sure that i can be bothered to ask him if he has the tools his had 5 attempts at fixing it if he was able to fix it surely he would have done it by now im just going to go to fair trading and get someone else to do it and a hire car at his expense i was going to get a refund and pay for someone else to do it but he has prob stuffed it more than it was and it will cost me even mroe than ive already forked out

[Blknight.aus]

actually I wanted the info. A, to confirm If the WAG was anything close and b, to try and work out if the WAG was right how the hell he's screwed it so often.

Personally If I hadn't been able to sort it on the second attempt I'dve pulled the box for a total overhaul.

[V8Ian]

actually I wanted the info. A, to confirm If the WAG was anything close and b, to try and work out if the WAG was right how the hell he's screwed it so often.

Personally If I hadn't been able to sort it on the second attempt I'dve pulled the box for a total overhaul.
Yes Dave, that's the difference between a guy who is trying to fix it and a guy who is trying to squeeze every dollar from the job.:mad:

[disco_mitch]

spoke to them again and he said that he has done everything he can to fix it so it might be time to deem it a dead box said they will get back to me but i was under the impression they might be putting a new box in it

im not sure weather i should let them put a new box in it or go through fair trading and get someone else to do it at his expense

[Blknight.aus]

impression means squidly, find out what hes going to do about it get it in writing and then take that to fair trading and ask them what they think.

[disco_mitch]

impression means squidly, find out what hes going to do about it get it in writing and then take that to fair trading and ask them what they think.

he needs to talk to the owner who was out yesterday so with a bit of luck i will hear from them on monday if there going to put a new box in ill let them but if they want to try fix it again than ill get fair trading to work something out

[discoveryseries1]

picked it up today told me it "was a valve" before it was that it was leaking fluid throught the shaft and he had to find which seal it was, this guy is having me on anyway it still revs at 3000 when sitting on 110 than went to the shops for half hour and guess what put it in reverse and had to rev it to get it into gear

im jack of this guy if he cant fix it after 5 goes than i dont rekon he can fix it so im going to fair trading and im going to request that anather shop with a good reputation fix it "properly" and also that i have a hire car again and that this is at his expence seeings ive paid him to do the job surely im not being unfair am i
now in law term that is called "commercial liability" where the company is commercialy liabal for damages and costs associated with doggy work they have done or where they are at fault. eg if a repair to the engine and they accadently poke the radiator they must fix it or pay for it to be fixed.

[disco_mitch]

well its with fair trading now, spoke to him last thursday and he was calling them on friday to discuss the matter with them, i havent heard anymore but im hoping to know whats going on tomoz, im going to try and get them to have a box from somewhere else that has been reconditioned by someonelse put in with a bit of luck ill know tomomz

[disco_thrasher]

this has been going on for how long?:o:eek:

[Disco_Dan]

yeah well im pretty sure i know who you are now mitch , there can only be one round here with a cranky auto , are you still having problems with this mate , i remember that morning leaving the watagans after camping stuck in first for a bit ay... any eta on when you will have the disco back because its getting into summer and that means third creek runs are about to start.

[disco_mitch]

this has been going on for how long?:o:eek:

to long about 3 months


yeah well im pretty sure i know who you are now mitch , there can only be one round here with a cranky auto , are you still having problems with this mate , i remember that morning leaving the watagans after camping stuck in first for a bit ay... any eta on when you will have the disco back because its getting into summer and that means third creek runs are about to start.

i still have it and drive it every day but when it sits the fluid is draining out of the tourque convertor so when i select d or r i have to give it some revs to get the pump going to fill the convertor back up than shes apples

yea im jack with the stoog trying to fix it all 4x4 send there boxes to him to overhaul but now he has asked me to take it back to all 4x4 for them to diognose it i was like hang on but they send them to him this dont make sense so i packed it went to fair trading they called me yesty to say he has spoken to all 3 parties and he wants me to take it to all 4x4 and the reason ian wants me to take it there was the car wasnt doing it when he had it so he wants someone else to see it doing it and kotara is closer, i was like so how about he stops swingin me bs and tell me that

anyway so fairtrading has decided that i take it to all 4x4 and let them diognose it than give ian anather go yes a 6th go at fixing it if he cant do it than it will go to the consumer tribunal to be heard im so jack of this i just want it going properly

[Blknight.aus]

if
the TC has too high a stall speed, is damaged, had a dead sprag clutch (seized or slipping) what you describe is possable and it simply means a new TC is needed.

IT could also be a leak on the suction side of the pump and aerated oil is getting pumped into the TC that will play merry havoc with everything and if the aerated oil is getting fed to the actuators and the G1/G2 pumps that provide the inputs to the brain you'll get some other merry hell.

All of which can happen if the seals for the TC and pump get screwed when you insert the TC onto the face of the box.

[disco_mitch]

well it went to fair trading and they agreed for them to send it to all 4x4 to diognose the box and have anather go at fixing it, all 4x4 have said its the tourqe convertor,

this time i didnt need a hire car as we have 3 cars atm so instead of making the drive back to maitland and having to get a lift back again which is a pain i told him ill do you a deal i dont want a hire car (which fair trading ahs told him to provide if i ask for it) as long as he picks the car up from my place and drops it back here and he was happy to do that so he sent a tow truck to come pick it up today shold know if he can get it 6th time lucky by the end of the week

[incisor]

all 4x4 are a third party to this i take it?

[disco_mitch]

all 4x4 are a third party to this i take it?

yea they are, they are a land rover spares and service centre they normally send the boxes to him for repair

he told me i should have it back on tuesday and havent heard from him so i called him today and he told me that he found the problem it was a bush in the pump so much for putting a new convertor in it

[V8Ian]

yea they are, they are a land rover spares and service centre they normally send the boxes to him for repair

he told me i should have it back on tuesday and havent heard from him so i called him today and he told me that he found the problem it was a bush in the pump so much for putting a new convertor in it
Well sussed by Dave then.:clap2:

[Blknight.aus]

I just hope it all gets sorted but if the guy was any good with auto diagnostics or was willing to share what was found when he did them this might have all been done and dusted 2 months ago.

on this one IHMO, if fair trading says you're entitled to an inch try for a mile and not one of those piddley american statute miles either go the whole nautical mile.

(incoherant mumblings about nuffers like this giving my trade a band name, testicals nailed to walls while certifications are torn up and workshops torched)

[disco_mitch]

Yea I'm thinking about talking to fair trading again and asking if he can pay for someone else to do a follow up inspection coz I'm worried that something might have been damaged or worn due to the problems and k owing my luck when warranty is up it will stuff up again I'm also going to request a new waranty paper from today not 3 months ago

[disco_mitch]

Ok so as usual it's not wat he tells me now he is replacing the whole pump which won't be there till Monday so still won't have the car back for prob 4 days the best part is they if he replaced the pump 3 months ago like he told me he was going to do than this may have all been over a long time ago

[George130]

Ok so as usual it's not wat he tells me now he is replacing the whole pump which won't be there till Monday so still won't have the car back for prob 4 days the best part is they if he replaced the pump 3 months ago like he told me he was going to do than this may have all been over a long time ago

Hope they send the right bit. My pump cog had to be sent 3 times before they got the right one.

I would ask him why the pump failed strait away seeing as he replaced it at the start of this saga. Thawill get him upset.

[frantic]

Disco m, Mate your a calm bloke by now I'd have ripped the mechanic a new rectum! if fair trading tell him to give you a hire car TAKE IT! thrash it and return it with about 1L off fuel left in the tank!
Sorry but a person who should be a "specialist" shafting you and repeating the same mistakes needs a swift kick. With the amount of your time he has wasted it's a pity you could not push fair trading for some money to be put back in your pocket!

[disco_mitch]

well well well, his had it for the last 2 weeks than today they rang to tell me its at lambton coz they couldent get it back to my house so i had to catch a bus there to pick it up, it went into gear but still sits on 3000revs at 110 is this to high for a tdi or is it just me, rang him and he said well ive done everything to the bloody thing new pump new convertor i spent a bloody fortune on it told him well its not right he said his going to get some specs on it im so ****ed should it be revving at that right now im more revved up than redline i think im revving at about 12000

[Blknight.aus]

sounds too high to me by something in the order of 5-600 RPM (assuming its actually doing 3Krpm.

sounds to me like its not getting 4th gear and Im now reading the RAVE to work out why,

If you have one just print out the road test procedure and following that should prove to him whats wrong with the box. It sounds to me like its not making 4th.

from the RAVE 3rd gear should be locked out at speeds above 138kph so go find a drag strip of sufficient length put it in 3rd and let it rip. when you stop accelerating select D and ease of the throttle just a little and it should change up once you are doing 140+ reselect 3rd and let it decellerate once it drops below 128Kph with no throttle input (ie at idle) it should downshift into 3rd.

Im working on cutting you out the relevent sections for the auto box...

[Lucus]

going out on a fairly long limb here, but whats the cable adjustment for the selector like? D on the shifter is selecting D in the box right??

[disco_mitch]

yea its going into 4th and locking up

[lardy]

I'm not surprised. You practically bent over and lubed up for him. I'd only ever give a mechanic a second chance at doing something...and no more. The guy is a **** and you, for some reason, just let him take advantage of you and you didn't stand up for yourself.
Be firm with him, tell him you're going to make complaints and help try and stop him from ripping off the next poor sod who doesn't stick up for themselves.

This thread caused plenty of head shaking on this side of the interwebs.

iT'S OK MITCH THERE ARE NUMEROUS SHONKY ***** IN ***** IN PERTH WILLING TO DO A ****HOUSE JOB AND LIGHTEN YOUR WALLET!!!

[disco_mitch]

iT'S OK MITCH THERE ARE NUMEROUS SHONKY ***** IN ***** IN PERTH WILLING TO DO A ****HOUSE JOB AND LIGHTEN YOUR WALLET!!!

yea im sure there are i know of one over here to lol
thing is he has a good reputation for land rover boxes which is why i went there

[disco_mitch]

ok so this guy told me that someone from all 4x4 and that ben told him no that is right so i called all 4x4 one guy said no way, it should not rev at that than ben told me he thinks its to high and his going to take his fro a drive on the weekend so he is swingin me bs
than i asked where my updated waranty is he said in my glovebox and i also asked for him to pu in writing that it should rev at that went there to pick it up and they were closed but out the front was the waranty paper that was supposed to be in my glovebox and nothing on the revs

im jack of this and i have been trying to get through with fair trading but they just put through to the fella dealing with it and it goes to his message bank ive left messages and tried several times on 2 numbers with no luck rang again yesty and told them this and they said all they can do is leave him a message im so over this ready to just sell the bloddy thing

[mike 90 RR]

im jack of this and i have been trying to get through with fair trading but they just put through to the fella dealing with it and it goes to his message bank ive left messages and tried several times on 2 numbers with no luck rang again yesty and told them this and they said all they can do is leave him a message im so over this ready to just sell the bloddy thing

Disco Mitch ....

Your now into the "He said / she said" conversation

Fair Trading aren't mechanics ... So you have to supply them with facts ... in writing



First thing I would do is find the actual data & specifications on what each gear ratio verses revs is ... (Landrover Specs)

Second thing I would do is find another member that has the same Driveline specs ... and compare the gears & the rev range ...

Third thing to do is get a written second opinion from a AUTHORISED LR repair centre ... (Along the lines of.... Hi, what's wrong with me gearbox?? ... is it reving higher than normal??)


Then bung all the info in writing to all parties (Fair Trading & Mechanic & 4x4) .... complete with All data specs .... written in clear concise literature




Once Fair trading have it all in writing ... then they can respond appropriately



Mike
:)

[mike 90 RR]

Which reminds me .... Your saying that the T/C locks up in top gear and that the motor is reving way too high when doing 100kph ....

This is all based on what your Tacho is showing .... Find a way to check that your tacho is correct ....

[disco_mitch]

Which reminds me .... Your saying that the T/C locks up in top gear and that the motor is reving way too high when doing 100kph ....

This is all based on what your Tacho is showing .... Find a way to check that your tacho is correct ....

thats where im at never really thought that the tacho could suddenly be out but still working but anyway im trying to find someone that can do it without charginf an arm and a leg

[mike 90 RR]

thats where im at, never really thought that the tacho could suddenly be out

Neither could I ;) ... But the problems that you are describing for such a simple job of repairing the Gbox are waaaaay off the charts on what has gone wrong :confused:


Surely a member is close to you for a "looksee" and a comparison test drive???

Can't believe that this issue hasn't been resolved yet .....

[disco_mitch]

Neither could I ;) ... But the problems that you are describing for such a simple job of repairing the Gbox are waaaaay off the charts on what has gone wrong :confused:


Surely a member is close to you for a "looksee" and a comparison test drive???

Can't believe that this issue hasn't been resolved yet .....

all 4x4 has test driven it and compared it to one of there and theres revs at 2500 which is why now the finger has been pointed at the tacho tried to get a few places to do a tacho test and written report no one wants a bar of it but im going to triggs on friday and he wants to take it for a test drive so ill see how i go with that short of that ive tried ringing zf au and have not had a call back yet so im stuck yet again

[mike 90 RR]

tried to get a few places to do a tacho test and written report no one wants a bar of it



Keeping in mind, Diesels arn't my cup of tea .... If it was a petrol engine ... The mechanics just hook a lead wire to a spark lead and then presto they can tell what the revs are doing via their machine

Don't diesel mechanics have a Tacho gadget / tool, that can be hooked up to your motor to do the same ??? ... Then you can find out what your motor is actually doing (revs) .... in comparison to your tacho ....

[groucho]

You might try one of these didgital taco
I bought one to set the elect tacho on the fender
they are abt 30 odd bucks in fleebay
handy tool..............




Digital Tachometer (http://www.oceancontrols.com.au/test_equipment/digital_tachometer.htm)

[disco_mitch]

they would certanly have there place but in this case i need a written report to put to the consumer tribunal im jack of this guy he has my number and has made no attempt to ring me to say look i apolagise but lets get to the bottom of it they are jackasses last time i spoke to him was to tell him what all 4x4 said so we could get to the next step than he asked me to get all4x4 to ring him told him im not his secutary service there number is in the white pages maybe thats why he wont ring me

[mike 90 RR]

in this case i need a written report to put to the consumer tribunal

Isn't there a ZF factory located somewhere, your way, over East??

Mike
;)

[disco_mitch]

i tried contacting the zf factory but they dont seem to want to talk to me,
its at a mechanic who seems to know his rovers and he rekons that it should sit at 3k at 110 im not sure if his thinking petrol but

[87County]

Just a thought, disco-mitch, in case nobody has brought it up before.....

the 300tdi aternator had two pulley diameters during its life and if yours should have been a "large" and you now have a "small" pulley fitted the rev counter will be high by about the amount you mention

[disco_mitch]

Just a thought, disco-mitch, in case nobody has brought it up before.....

the 300tdi aternator had two pulley diameters during its life and if yours should have been a "large" and you now have a "small" pulley fitted the rev counter will be high by about the amount you mention

that would be an explanation but the gearbox guy wouldent have changed this, im thinking maybe it was under revving before i had it done

[Gold_TD5]

i tried contacting the zf factory but they dont seem to want to talk to me,
its at a mechanic who seems to know his rovers and he rekons that it should sit at 3k at 110 im not sure if his thinking petrol but
2400rpm@100kph for my TD5 manual, standard wheels. 3000 would be over 120 kph for me.

[disco_mitch]

holey crappin snapping duck **** after all this time she is finnaly fixed just before christmas i done a fuel pump so no car for christmas camping holiday we had planned but i got it back and my gosh its a rocket **** now turns out the tranny was overfilled by 2.5litres and the kickdown was way out of adjustmant boneheads at maitland i tell ya, anyway finnaly got it fixed by a real mechanic and its never ran this good in the time ive owned it

[V8Ian]

Good news, now time to enjoy it eh?

[Waxenwane]

My hats off to you Mitch, You are a patient man.