how hard to negotiate ..

[fl2maybe]

gday all

I went to a dealership to talk FL2 and the sales dude already let me down, he directed me to an unregistered example saying it was better value than the demo car I'd come in to see (they were the same price) saying the reason was because landrover were offering trunk money on it and not the demonstrator. It wasn't till I looked more carefully later I saw it was a MY09, and the demonstrator that attracted me in was a MY10 .. hence, the $ saving would be ephemeral: I'd give it all back come resale.

anyway no worries.

The question I have is this: how much should I hope for off the initial price they are listing the (high km) demonstrator for? Or should I beg for a free servicing option?

second question: is it too early to say the MY09 and MY10 FL2s have shaken off the reliability issues? I read the UK whatcar reviews and it seems 1 in 3 buyers (who write a review) get a real lemon..

last question: mainly urban use, what kind of range are people getting from a tank? (diesel) My VW tdi gets me approx 600 to 700 on a tank and typically we put in 50l. Obvious FL2 is worse, will my wife go into eco shock though?

thanks!

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The question I have is this: how much should I hope for off the initial price they are listing the (high km) demonstrator for? Or should I beg for a free servicing option?

You should at least get the dealer delivery down to $995. You will only get free servicing if you work for a company that turns over more than $20M/y (I think, could be $30M/y). The rest I guess it depends if it's in stock or not. If not I doubt they'll give away much.



second question: is it too early to say the MY09 and MY10 FL2s have shaken off the reliability issues? I read the UK whatcar reviews and it seems 1 in 3 buyers (who write a review) get a real lemon..
There are no reliability issues with the FL2, some problems yes but not wide spread or many. Maybe you read about the FL1? You should not hesitate based on reliability alone because it's really not an issue. The FL2 has a Peugeot diesel, Japanese gear box and fancy Swedish differential. However it happens to be put together in Britain by robots.



last question: mainly urban use, what kind of range are people getting from a tank? (diesel) My VW tdi gets me approx 600 to 700 on a tank and typically we put in 50l. Obvious FL2 is worse, will my wife go into eco shock though?
My last tank about 70L and got 680km so around 10L/100km this was about 90% city rest freeway.

[fl2maybe]

thanks, that is helpful.

Here is the whatcar "reader review" page and it is supposed to be just for the FL2

Land Rover Freelander 4x4 - Readers Reviews - New Car Review - What Car? (http://www.whatcar.com/car-reviews/land-rover/freelander-4x4/readers-reviews/25581-3'resultPage=1)

seems like a bipolar bunch. Most love, some hate (because of time @ dealership).

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I guess 52 reviews and an overall rating of 4/5 stars so seems like a true reflection. But FL2 and lemon can not be used together. Search here and at freel2.com and you will find issues but they will be minor and probably reflect the car market as a whole rather than LR specifically. I must admit I was concerned when I bought mine but it had been out in the UK for a year before and I followed its release closely. There were issues associated with software that were fixed, seat belts rubbing the plastic, creases in leather seats etc etc, all very mundane stuff. The biggest problem I have with mine at the moment is one of the driver side windscreen washers moves after 5000km so needs adjusting so often, so petty I haven't mentioned it to the dealer.

My advice is that if you want something a little different then go for it, the FL2 is a fantastic drive. I've got 30 000km on mine and I am still enjoying it. Commuting, camping, towing, beach driving, forest roads, pick up some milk etc it is very very good at these things. The wife loves the leather, power seats, climate control, sit up high and when the wife is happy I am.

[gcla]

i have just bought a RR sport and the deal on a new car (cheaper than the 08 plated demo stock) was so good i am still smiling...it looks like Lr are really trying to defy the GFC by incenting dealers to sell stock.. i noticed a 09 frelander in melb with 3000 klm on it for 39990 drive away..i reckon thats the best value for a top car you will find anyware.. anyway the older i get the more i have learnt is that if you dont ask you dont get..put a bit of pressure on and tell em u will sign on the spot for the right deal

[Dorko]

Mate I got a HSE FL2 and its brilliant.... on and offroad.

If i was to buy a FL2 privately i would get free servicing as part of the deal. As DJ said, its free if anyway if you company turns over so many Millions.

Servicing cost are really expensive... like stupid expensive, so keep that in the back of your mind.

Dorko