A Hilux Clone??

[It'sNotWorthComplaining!]

I Got a flyer today about a new 4WD contender from China.
Built by the ''Great wall motor Company'',:D:D:D V240 dual cab ute $26,990 in 4WD version. Will this one go down the same path as LADA or Ssangyong?
A dealer down the road has a franchise I must have a closer look out of curiosity, it looks a bit like a clone of a hilux. I wonder if China will produce a Disco3 clone?
http://www.greatwallmotors.com.au/images/template/nav/v240.jpg
V240 Dual Cab Ute - Exterior 360 - Great Wall Motors, Australia (http://www.greatwallmotors.com.au/default.asp?action=article&ID=21560)
:o

[dullbird]

I wonder whether it has a hi tech CA SET player like the Ssangyong :D

[Armadillo]

I wouldn't go near any chinese car ATM. There are many stories about how they have spectacularly failed ENCAP tests with a number rating no more than 1 star (do a google search for it). The chinese response.... well they have just anounced that Renaults are now a banned import due to "safety concerns". Coincidently, these "banned" vehicles rate very high in both ENCAP and ANCAP tests.

[clean32]

i know these well, i got a new D3 in russia for 17K usd, Kia 2.2 motor pushrod, ( you doint really want overhead cams in the cold) M21 GB. interia all came from germany. at that time thay were making 15000 vehicles a month, 2 & 4 door utes 2 & 4 wheel drive as well as an extended long tray back version. and then there is there SUV called the hover. they had a very good reputation and we had a very good run out of her, and that was in some very extreme climate and conditions. many parts were interchangeable with Toyota as they are a major parts supplier ( hence the new road though Laos into thailand for any one who drives a right hand drive hilux Jeep BMW etc etc) they are also sold in Italy and spain i believe. the finish was as good as any thing Jap in fact the only problem was a bit of bubbling in the canopy.

now in moscow 17K for a new GWM D3 or 24K for a toyota hilux, talking to the locals it was a no brainer get the GWM.

but then that was a couple of models and years ago.

VW is there major single share holder with the government and private taking up the rest

[clean32]

I wouldn't go near any chinese car ATM. There are many stories about how they have spectacularly failed ENCAP tests with a number rating no more than 1 star (do a google search for it). The chinese response.... well they have just anounced that Renaults are now a banned import due to "safety concerns". Coincidently, these "banned" vehicles rate very high in both ENCAP and ANCAP tests.

there are off the top of my head 4 manufactures of utes or hilux clones in china. i know that one of them failed so bad that it was even taken off the Russian market. there is a polfric amount of small car manufactures like Cherrie that make suicidal cans but they do not get to see much light out side of china. its a local market thing, would you buy a 1 start nissan mica for 5000 or a 3 star for 10 000. you may say you would only buy the 3 star but if the one star was on the market here they would sell and in large numbers.

[procrastination inc]

the production safety test failing cars for the home market, along with state backed cigarette consumption and several clandestine initiatives, is a key component of their population control strategy.

[Utemad]

The looks are based on the Isuzu utes. The cheaper one is a TF Rodeo and the other one is an RA Rodeo
I've seen pictures of chinese copies of various Isuzu 4wds so I'd say these are able to be brought in as they don't have to comply with passenger vehicle ADRs (being utes) whereas the Frontera copies would.

TF (aka SA220)
http://4wdaction.com.au/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=3518&d=1172211298

RA (aka V240)
http://www.jandjbullbars.com.au/images/photo/f/HOLDEN%20sideSTEPS/RA%20RODEO.JPG

[B92 8NW]

I'd buy one if the dealer filled the loadspace with Peking Duck as a sweetener:D.

[V8Ian]

If they're anything like the Jap imports of the 60s, the best thing about them is the laughs you get from the translation in the user manual.:angel:

[clean32]

the production safety test failing cars for the home market, along with state backed cigarette consumption and several clandestine initiatives, is a key component of their population control strategy.

lol could be , with 39 000 recorded road deaths a year, Russia 35 000 a year etc. but then how many counties with local car manufacturing has different rules for imported vers local manufactured cars? or at the very least has safety rules modified to make it easier for local and a bit harder for imported??

there is a post above about Renault being banned from china as being to unsafe. i would argue the point that in light of the recent EU courts ruling on GWM copyright infringements in favor of Renault against cherrie ( they unbolted a door of the Renault and bolted it back onto the cherrie with no problems it even closed and locked). cherrie then added a couple of extra safty features then headed of to the government with new crash test results saying ours is better and hay presto no more Renaults. well not that model anyway.

[landrovering]

at 27k with a 3 year warranty, more dealers than land rover in oz, a loan car scheme, sounds like a good buy and possibly less problems than i read about on this forum with the puma defender!!:wasntme:

[clean32]

this was our one, - 17 on the day, minime is 14 months and asleep.

i read a few years back, it took 20 years for Japan to become a great car manufacturing nation. it took korea 10 years, it will take China 5.

Toyota started of by copying the Austin motor. look under the bonnet of any 70s OHC Nissan then look under the bonnet of a BMW. Hyundai started off with mitzi motors. GWM started of with a 8 year old toyota factory, Kia motors and a supply chain from VW.
just because they are new here ( right hand drive) they have been around for the last decade in volume

[LOVEMYRANGIE]

Dont we have enough junk being imported into this country already??? This is the sort of rubbish copy crap that gets dumped onto the market just like every other cheap item you can buy these days, lasts for a while until it breaks. The last time we saw this was eith the likes of Kia and Hyundai etc coming into the market, now the compact car market is littered with junk that is becoming harder to get parts for even inside a 7 year life.

OK, a cheap spanner or screwdriver to get you out of trouble and you dont mind if it breaks as long as it gets you to the end of the job in hand, but quantify that with your family inside a car that crumples at 60km/h beyond normal standards.

These types of manufacturers do not care about quality, warranty or service, I know, I have dealt on both sides in the Automotive market for a number of years and I personally refuse to sell imported copy goods, the reason I left my last position with an OE supplier trying to "get in on the act" with Chinese copy Perkins Phaser and Deutz engines. I refused to sell as I knew they had issues, the whole reason Perkins pulled out of the factory in the first place, but the engines just kept rolling out.
From the first 5 that were sold nationally, 3 had major failures inside 6 months, and thats with Perkins tooling!!

Chinese manufacturers have no copyright recognition, are not loyal to your deal and will ignore any exclusivity you may have arranged.

Materials used are mainly from re foundried scrap metal and are not of a discernable rating.
Basically you get their crap, they get your money, who wins at the end...?

Cheers

Andrew

[Rudolf]

RSA is already flooded by that rubbish.
Current clones are.
Hilux, Izuzu, Toyota RAV, ML Mercedes, Diahatsu Terios amongst some of them.
Gonow, GWM being the two biggest brands but I tkink there are about four in total.

[3toes]

Toyota started of by copying the Austin motor. look under the bonnet of any 70s OHC Nissan then look under the bonnet of a BMW. [/QUOTE]

Japan asked Austin to come over and made localised versions of their cars there. As a result Austin was heavily involved with Nissan. That is why right up to the Sunny of the eighties the engine parts were interchangable. Nissan paid a royality fee on every engine they made though. Seems strange in light of how history panned out that Japan sought British advice on establishing volume car manufacturing and design.