HRA Bar

[Remy]

Could one of you has Hardy's bar either low or standard profile please tell me if the brackets that connect to the car have crash cans or are just a solid piece of aluminum connecting the bar to the chassis rail on the car?
Even better a photo of how the bar connects to the car would be nice if you can PM me.
Cheers,
Remy

[PaulP38a]

Hi Remy

Pics as requested.

As far as I know, the HRA bar (mine is the Low Profile) reuses the existing crash-cans.
http://www.cordwell.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/HRA-Fbar01.JPG
http://www.cordwell.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/HRA-Fbar02.JPG

[p38arover]

My HRA bar didn't use the crash cans.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2009/08/1031.jpg

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2009/08/1032.jpg

[Remy]

Thanks Paul - that is what i thought. If Willem is out there as well i would be interested if any changes were made after the prototype (Paul's). If anyone has a standard i would be interested if the mounting is stronger for the winch bar.
Thanks again Paul!

[Remy]

Ron,
Do you mean to say yours doesn't have crash cans in its bracket and bolted straight onto the existing mount i.e. crash can like Pauls?
or were the inbuilt crash cans removed from the car?


My HRA bar didn't use the crash cans.

[andrew e]

There are no crush cans in any of the pics above. the HRA bar bolts directly to the chassis. The chassis has an inbuilt crumple zone aswell on the front and rear of the chassis.


Andy

[Remy]

Thanks Andy - i thought the front part of the chassis was the crash cans?
I will take a closer look - but then where do these attach ? in front of the chassis on later models? Anyway i will look today.


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[dobbo]

Do early P38's have crush cans?

I thought they had a sensor on the gearbox to measure deceleration.

[p38arover]

Ron,
Do you mean to say yours doesn't have crash cans in its bracket and bolted straight onto the existing mount i.e. crash can like Pauls?
or were the inbuilt crash cans removed from the car?

The crash cans were removed and the bar bolted straight to the chassis.

[p38arover]

Thanks Andy - i thought the front part of the chassis was the crash cans?
I will take a closer look - but then where do these attach ? in front of the chassis on later models? Anyway i will look today.


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Yes, they bolt to the front of the chassis. The original bumper mounts to them. The two bolts go through the same holes as the bolts on my bull nar.

[p38arover]

Do early P38's have crush cans?

Yes.




I thought they had a sensor on the gearbox to measure deceleration.

I don't believe so. The sensor is single point behind the LHS front.

[Scouse]

Yes.




I don't believe so. The sensor is single point behind the LHS front.Hopefully you should have another one under the battery ;).

[Remy]

OK thanks all!
So crash cans removed before HRA bar installed (i can see that now that i have had a look under the car and obviously no crash cans on HRA bar yet SRS approved?? the only thing that i can think of is that 10mm aluminum brackets fold at the same rate as the crash cans thus decelerometer is not affected if crashed and bags should still inflate and thus SRS approved. It looks like the standard profile HRA mounts on both sides of the chassis to give the extra strength for the winch.
I haven't been able to find out what needs to be done to get a bar SRS certified but i do know that you don't have to crash cars to get one through (from a variety of posts) so if anyone can find a link please put it in this thread.
Given that the HRA bar is 2.5K inc shipping new to me and rare as hens teeth 2nd/hand and not that pleasing to the eye :wasntme: but as functional as others i can see why others have modified bars such as the ARB. The ARB sahara $1800 and deluxe $2300 bars for a disco 2 are much smarter looking bar on the P38 (in my opinion) but there are then the insurance issues one faces with a non-certified bar. However modification doesn't look that difficult and may be the road i pursue when i realise i cannot find a decent 2/hand bar. I have also heard that a D1 bar will bolt straight on with a few adjustments to the plastic panel under the lights but haven't seen photos. Then there is this aggressive little fella Tubular Winch Bumper A-bar black Land Rover Discovery I - eBay Bumper Bars, Exterior, Car Parts, Accessories, Cars, Bikes, Boats. (end time 04-Sep-09 20:24:37 AEST) (http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110399295749&viewitem=&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWAX%3AIT&salenotsupported) (has anyone put this on a D1 and has pics?) which looks OK off the car but may be a little too much:D. Anyway at this stage i cannot justify 1/3 of the car price on a bar so i need to look at what is available in the second hand market for discos and range rovers and try talking the wife it to the essential need to have a winch bar on the p38. If you have pics of other bars please post your setups
cheers,
Remy

[p38arover]

Hopefully you should have another one under the battery ;).

I can't see under there! :angel:

[p38arover]

My HRA bar had a label:

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2009/08/938.jpg

Hardy told me that alloy bars didn't need crush cans.

[Remy]

maybe i can get a copy of that sticker:angel:

[Remy]

Project bull bar just got jumped by Kaymar rear bar on ebay $950. Now looks like i have some explaining to do and a trip to make - but very happy!

[PaulP38a]

Nice one Remy - it's a good looking bar. Is that Ron's or one of the very few Kaymar bars that actually got made?

Not a big fan of the swing arm on the LHS though. Unless you find a good spot for your number plate on the bar or the wheel, including illumination, you'll probably want to offset it from the original spot on the tailgate.

I have my number plate offset to the left and the wheel arm on the right. Have been told that the police are less likely to give me a hard time this way as speed cameras can still see the number plate on that side :eek:

Cheers, Paul.

[Remy]

Another one in Melb. It was only up for a few minutes before i grabbed it. Been in a shed for five years and doesn't have rust. You are right about the swing arm and number plate but the price was good and the bar is in good nick. Slowly but surely i will get this car sorted.

[p38arover]

Unless you find a good spot for your number plate on the bar or the wheel, including illumination.

The number plate goes on the bar. You can see the holes for the two number plate lights on the bar.

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[p38arover]

Not a big fan of the swing arm on the LHS though.

Remy, a suggestion. Before fitting the Kaymar rear bar, get another stub axle welded to the RHS. You'll see the chequer-plate is cut to allow one. Then if you want to add a swingaway jerrycan holder, you have the pivot axle in place.

[willem]

Thanks Paul - that is what i thought. If Willem is out there as well i would be interested if any changes were made after the prototype (Paul's). If anyone has a standard i would be interested if the mounting is stronger for the winch bar.
Thanks again Paul!

G'day guys,

Sorry, I haven't been paying attention - its a very busy time for me.

My low profile HRA bullbar does not use crush cans - I took them off when I mounted the bullbar. It just has two heavy aluminium plates which bolt straight up to the chassis. But because they are fairly long, I think they may well act as crush cans in an accident, by deforming before the chassis does.

The bullbar is strong enough to mount a winch. The previous owner of this bullbar had a winch mounted, tho I don't know if he ever used it. The structure of the bullbar is certainly strong enough for it.

Willem