New engine for Defender in 2011?

[amtravic1]

I read in the Melbourne Age today "Drive" that there is a new engine planned for the Defender in 2011 before a complete update in 2014.
Anyone else heard anything? The main article was on the Disco 4.

[Scallops]

I would doubt that is right - they are not going to use a new engine 2 years before bringing out an all new Defender - I call bogus.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

My guess what engine they use will be in the lap of Ford and Euro standards whether the current Transit engine will be available for the Defender or they'll have to use what is available.

Weren't the contracts signed between Ford and Tata only for supply for four years? That would make the contract expire in 2012 and Tata may indeed choose to use an alternate such as something from Fiat with whom they already have ongoing contracts with.

What specifics did the Age article have?

[amtravic1]

There was no specifics, just an article on the new Disco, obviously driven in the UK. It said Scotland from memory. The article also mentioned how out of date the defender is compared to modern vehicles but how suited it is for its purpose. The article just said a new engine in 2011 and a new defender in 2014.

Ian

[wisey110]

I heard that in the UK the defender was going to be discontinued for next year but seens i'm getting a 2010 mod they can't be. that came from a dealer. Reason, was the safty air bags and so on.

[Sleepy]

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The 2.7 litre will do! :D

[Pete1]

Be happy with the engine in the defender now ! It is a far better offering than anything toyota and nissan can come up with. It may not be as fast at top end but is more suited if you use the vehicle as landrover intended ...... off road ! I have a 2008 def and drive the other 2 in offroad conditions at work every day.

[AJSLRD]

I found the article a little hard to believe as the author was doing a piece on the defender after a test drive, he didn't pick up the transmission is a 6 speed not a 5 speed.
He also was a little disappointed that the vehicle he tested that when driven into the mud hole he got stuck and required winching on several occasions.
He made no reference to any other brand of vehicle attempting this terrain and having no difficulty getting through, so on conclusion I felt it was his lack of ability was the issue not the vehicle.
In all my years of bush driving, owning allsorts of 4 wheel drives if the mud is deep enough it will stop you.:o

Allen

[Scallops]

The original post is talking about the current Defender model getting a new engine in 2011 - A few years before the entire vehicle is scrapped for an all new Defender.

Land Rover has tooled up to use the transit derived engine in the 2007 on Defender - they are not going to change this engine towards the end of the model run. Even Land Rover are not that crazy.

[solmanic]

Land Rover has tooled up to use the transit derived engine in the 2007 on Defender - they are not going to change this engine towards the end of the model run. Even Land Rover are not that crazy.

I don't know about that. It would be a logical development process to drop a new engine into a run-out chassis, then carry the engine over into the all-new model. It's been done in many vehicles.

[disco2hse]

I don't know about that. It would be a logical development process to drop a new engine into a run-out chassis, then carry the engine over into the all-new model. It's been done in many vehicles.

e.g Stage 1 V8.

Alan

[Scallops]

I don't know about that. It would be a logical development process to drop a new engine into a run-out chassis, then carry the engine over into the all-new model. It's been done in many vehicles.

OK - I bet you a "Farmville" goat that this doesn't happen! The 07 year defender will run full term with a transit engine. :D

[solmanic]

I'll see your "Farmville" goat and raise you a Date tree :p.

New Land Rover developed, 2.8l de-tuned Td4 with three-stage turbo, variable everything and some other hokus-pokus technology that spits out fresh air and baby seals from its exhaust in the 07MY Defender chassis carrying over to the 2014 all-new, Tata developed tin can.

[Scallops]

I'll see your "Farmville" goat and raise you a Date tree :p.

New Land Rover developed, 2.8l de-tuned Td4 with three-stage turbo, variable everything and some other hokus-pokus technology that spits out fresh air and baby seals from its exhaust in the 07MY Defender chassis carrying over to the 2014 all-new, Tata developed tin can.

Done! Goat and Date tree it is. :D

[dullbird]

:lol2:

[solmanic]

Actually I've changed my theory of what's likely to happen...

2014 - Land Rover will change the Defender over to all electric with little, 25kW, hi-torque electric motors on each hub (giving 100kW at the wheels). No gearbox or transfer case or diffs needed - heaps less moving parts. Roof will be all hi-efficiency solar panels able to recharge the gel-battery bank fully in 4 hours. Full charge will be enough to run for 4 hours (highway) or 2hrs off-road thereby giving the car virtually unlimited range when touring. There will be a tiny, 1.1l 3cyl diesel engine mainly to recharge the batteries when there is insufficient sun. This will be able to run as a stand alone generator when touring/camping or for "limp home" if electrics fail or batteries crash. Traction control and engine braking will all be electronically controlled since each wheel has its own motor.







...and the Rudd government will be returned for its third successive term. :wacko:

[Scallops]

Actually I've changed my theory of what's likely to happen...

2014 - Land Rover will change the Defender over to all electric with little, 25kW, hi-torque electric motors on each hub (giving 100kW at the wheels). No gearbox or transfer case or diffs needed - heaps less moving parts. Roof will be all hi-efficiency solar panels able to recharge the gel-battery bank fully in 4 hours. Full charge will be enough to run for 4 hours (highway) or 2hrs off-road thereby giving the car virtually unlimited range when touring. There will be a tiny, 1.1l 3cyl diesel engine mainly to recharge the batteries when there is insufficient sun. This will be able to run as a stand alone generator when touring/camping or for "limp home" if electrics fail or batteries crash. Traction control and engine braking will all be electronically controlled since each wheel has its own motor.







...and the Rudd government will be returned for its third successive term. :wacko:

And you'll owe me a goat and date tree. :p

[solmanic]

Remember, everyone laughed at me when I predicted the Defender would win 4x4OTY in 2007 (http://www.aulro.com/afvb/general-chat/47682-new-defender-4x4oty.html). It came second! (http://www.aulro.com/afvb/662623-post24.html)

[malsgoing130]

the engine is not the only issue, did any one see the article in 4X4 monthly regarding lift kits and the law? it seems that ASR stability control may be the undoing of the Fender.
Mal

[malsgoing130]

to be more acurate the 130 Defender. I dont know if the 110 has it with its ABS etc?
Mal

[dullbird]

110 does not have stability control

[TimNZ]

110 does not have stability control

Yes it does, it's far too scary to drive at high speeds so it isn't an issue :)

Isn't that part of the reason the Puma is limited to 83mph?? (That and the tyre ratings).

Tim

[disco2hse]

Remember, everyone laughed at me when I predicted the Defender would win 4x4OTY in 2007 (http://www.aulro.com/afvb/general-chat/47682-new-defender-4x4oty.html). It came second! (http://www.aulro.com/afvb/662623-post24.html)

Umm. So it didn't win then ;)

[dullbird]

Yes it does, it's far too scary to drive at high speeds so it isn't an issue :)

Isn't that part of the reason the Puma is limited to 83mph?? (That and the tyre ratings).

Tim

ok so is that what stability control is then a speed limiter? if thats the case then no it doesn't has I have had our 110 up and slightly over 140 which would put that theory to rest as 83mph = 133.5Kph...which would mean my car is not limited surely.

I had actually also heard that the limiters where only on UK vehicles

and tyre rating I would of thought would be irrelevant as you can change your tyres and tyres have different speed ratings.

EDIT:
Safety

The Defender has not yet been tested by NCAP, but with no airbags - that's right - no stability control, basic body-on-chassis architecture and hard surfaces throughout the cabin, the idea of having a crash is not attractive. At least it's very difficult to speed in the Defender.
All seats have three point belts and head restraints, but as a light good vehicle under Australian Design Rules - which also allow it to escape regulatory crash testing requirements - child restraint anchor points are not provided.

[haggisbasher]

Actually I've changed my theory of what's likely to happen...

2014 - Land Rover will change the Defender over to all electric with little, 25kW, hi-torque electric motors on each hub (giving 100kW at the wheels). No gearbox or transfer case or diffs needed - heaps less moving parts. Roof will be all hi-efficiency solar panels able to recharge the gel-battery bank fully in 4 hours. Full charge will be enough to run for 4 hours (highway) or 2hrs off-road thereby giving the car virtually unlimited range when touring. There will be a tiny, 1.1l 3cyl diesel engine mainly to recharge the batteries when there is insufficient sun. This will be able to run as a stand alone generator when touring/camping or for "limp home" if electrics fail or batteries crash. Traction control and engine braking will all be electronically controlled since each wheel has its own motor.





Don't laugh about this... putting a leccy motor into the Defender would be an OK idea i think. Have been doing some forward thinking about this and all of the stuff is al;ready here that you would need.....
Australian Electric Vehicle Assocation inc (http://www.aeva.asn.au/)

Ditch the lump in the front, put motor there connected to normal transmission and then put batterys in any spaces....

;)

Biggest problem would be range....which is typical for any EV really.....

[solmanic]

Don't laugh about this... putting a leccy motor into the Defender would be an OK idea i think.

Who's laughing? And I was dead serious about this being a three term plus Labour government.


Umm. So it didn't win then ;)

Quiet you. 2nd is still better than all the other nay-sayers were predicting.


ok so is that what stability control is then a speed limiter? if thats the case then no it doesn't has I have had our 110 up and slightly over 140 which would put that theory to rest as 83mph = 133.5Kph...which would mean my car is not limited surely.

I thought stability control is when they put accelerometers in the vehicle which trigger ABS/TC to cut in as required if the vehicle starts cornering dangerously or skidding. So yes, it doesn't have stability control.

And BTW, that 140kph was on a track somewhere and not on a main road I'm sure you meant to say ;).

[haggisbasher]

one plus with the motors is the defender would need the upto Puma levels of sound proofing as seen in series, 110 then Defender to Td5.... ie NONE.

As for 3 term labour gvt.... just look at the UK for that... hmmmm:cool:

[dullbird]

Who's laughing? And I was dead serious about this being a three term plus Labour government.



Quiet you. 2nd is still better than all the other nay-sayers were predicting.



I thought stability control is when they put accelerometers in the vehicle which trigger ABS/TC to cut in as required if the vehicle starts cornering dangerously or skidding. So yes, it doesn't have stability control.


And BTW, that 140kph was on a track somewhere and not on a main road I'm sure you meant to say ;).

no it was on a road in the northern territory where the limit was 130, I hadn't realised I had crept up to that speed it wasn't intentional and was brought back down as soon as I realised is what I meant to say;) got nothing to hide here as I always do my best to abide by speed limits.

The only brief danger I caused was to myself as the road was empty.

[TimNZ]

ok so is that what stability control is then a speed limiter? if thats the case then no it doesn't has I have had our 110 up and slightly over 140 which would put that theory to rest as 83mph = 133.5Kph...which would mean my car is not limited surely.

I had actually also heard that the limiters where only on UK vehicles

and tyre rating I would of thought would be irrelevant as you can change your tyres and tyres have different speed ratings.



Sorry DB, I was being a smart arse about the stability control :angel: I didn't realise the Aussie Pumas don't have the speed limiter, I haven't had the opportunity or courage to test it........ yet :) The Puma certainaly has the torque available in the higher gears to wind some serious speed on, (for a shed that is).

Tim

[solmanic]

... As for 3 term labour gvt.... just look at the UK for that... hmmmm:cool:

But the last Labour government in the UK turned into Tories mid-term whilst no-one was looking. :glare:

[dullbird]

Sorry DB, I was being a smart arse about the stability control :angel: I didn't realise the Aussie Pumas don't have the speed limiter, I haven't had the opportunity or courage to test it........ yet :) The
Puma certainaly has the torque available in the higher gears to wind some serious speed on, (for a shed that is).

Tim

yeah definitely....:lol2:

i reckon it had a lot more to go in it to as i was only sitting with the pedal just over 3/4's not bad for a fully loaded car and roof top tent:eek:.

Its funny isn't it coz i was just cruising and it felt really lovely and comfy it wasn't until I realised that I was going faster than I should of been that it suddenly felt fast:D before that i hadn't noticed.

[Grockle]

The speed limiter is done to UK cars at pdi it can be set at either 82 mph or up to 87mph.

[haggisbasher]

But the last Labour government in the UK turned into Tories mid-term whilst no-one was looking. :glare:

great call.... like your style mate! :)

On the aeva website there are some interesting projects. Use it a lot for the boys at school as they are "real world" uses of technology. Since we are educating the future engineers/designers/innovators some reality is good for them!

Chris

[solmanic]

... i reckon it had a lot more to go in it to as i was only sitting with the pedal just over 3/4's not bad for a fully loaded car and roof top tent:eek:.

Well this Youtube vid seems to prove that you're right. 170kph at about 1min 40sec into the clip... :eek::eek::eek:

YouTube - Topspeed New Defender 2,4TD TDSL TDSLNL

[dullbird]

:eek: dont think I would be game enough to go that fast in a breeze block:D

[Allan]

German fighter aces. They still dont ride well on an autobaun. Now off to the doctor for hearing aids!

Allan

[lardy]

He also was a little disappointed that the vehicle he tested that when driven into the mud hole he got stuck and required winching on several occasions.
He made no reference to any other brand of vehicle attempting this terrain and having no difficulty getting through, so on conclusion I felt it was his lack of ability was the issue not the vehicle.
In all my years of bush driving, owning allsorts of 4 wheel drives if the mud is deep enough it will stop you.:o

Allen[/QUOTE]

that is what i am thinking useless muppet blaming his tools not the ability of the workman