Screen resolution

[mike 90 RR]

OK ... What am I doing wrong :confused:



Have bought a Toshiba 40" 1980 x 1080 60hz LCD TV monitor
with HDMI input socket :)

Have bought Radeon 4850 graphics card with 1gig ram and HDMI output socket :)
Have installed the video card in my Intel Duocore Pentium computer using XP

and hooked up Computer to the monitor via a HDMI cable :)


The best I can get from this setup is a pixel setting of 1360 x 768 ... If I set it to 1920 x 1080 ... It's all "washed out" looking :confused:

Whats going on ... Why can't I get the resolutions to the 1980 setting and get a clear picture?? :mad:





And another Q is .... where can I get a DVD decoder from?? (I can't play a DVD /// Message says no DVD decoder installed / and yes I do have a DVD combo burner player) ... All the sites I looked at were very, SUS, to say the least :eek:



Mike
;)

[LOVEMYRANGIE]

OK ... What am I doing wrong :confused:



Have bought a Toshiba 40" 1980 x 1080 60hz LCD TV monitor
with HDMI input socket :)

Have bought Radeon 4850 graphics card with 1gig ram and HDMI output socket :)
Have installed the video card in my Intel Duocore Pentium computer using XP

and hooked up Computer to the monitor via a HDMI cable :)


The best I can get from this setup is a pixel setting of 1360 x 768 ... If I set it to 1920 x 1080 ... It's all "washed out" looking :confused:

Whats going on ... Why can't I get the resolutions to the 1980 setting and get a clear picture?? :mad:





And another Q is .... where can I get a DVD decoder from?? (I can't play a DVD /// Message says no DVD decoder installed / and yes I do have a DVD combo burner player) ... All the sites I looked at were very, SUS, to say the least :eek:



Mike
;)

Have you installed the Radeon drivers onto you PC??

Give me a tingle if you want. Got football tomorrow.... well .... actually... lunch in the Bill Walker room pre game with Fremantle FC and then the game :D:D but can probably drop in on my way home from work Monday or so.

With the DVD decoder, what are you trying to play it thru, Mediaplayer, Nero etc etc.

There are a few around but Mediaplayer 11 should play it straight up....

[mike 90 RR]

Have you installed the Radeon drivers onto you PC??

Give me a tingle if you want. Got football tomorrow.... well .... actually... lunch in the Bill Walker room pre game with Fremantle FC and then the game :D:D but can probably drop in on my way home from work Monday or so.

With the DVD decoder, what are you trying to play it thru, Mediaplayer, Nero etc etc.

There are a few around but Mediaplayer 11 should play it straight up....


Video player sorted .... Found a Freeware version called KMPLAYER ... Man ... They have a whole "Active Forum" on this subject of player :eek: .. Just as big as this forum :eek: :eek: :eek:


Yea .... even downloaded the updated drivers for it off the ATI Radeon website ...

I'm just either missing the point ... or have incompatible hardware :confused:
Don't know how tho ...

Mike

[mike 90 RR]

well .... actually... lunch in the Bill Walker room pre game with Fremantle FC .

Bill Walker ??? .... I thought he was "Swan Districts FC" ... How did he get his name on the Freo side :confused:

[mike 90 RR]

Video player sorted .... Found a Freeware version called KMPLAYER ...

CORRECTION .... Might be a DVD player with a big following ... But it doesnt play some of my DVD's ... Uninstalled it & In the Bin ;) ... Whats so difficult about DVD player programs??? :confused: .... I got a 4 year old player that never has hiccups :cool:





I'm just either missing the point ...

Mmmm ... Found "The Point" .... Went to Toshiba web site .... It's advertised as a 1980 x 1080 LCD ... but it states the specs for HDMI mode, 1360 x 768 :mad: ... What the .....


So my Q would now be .... How can it be advertised as a FULL HD 1080 .... But have a max resolution of 1360 x 768 in HDMI????

:rocket:



Mike

[wayneg]

Mike, Download the FREE K-lite codec pac, load up and you will then be able to play all stuff inc DVD`s on Media Player.

Download K-Lite Codec Pack (http://www.codecguide.com/download_kl.htm)


Wayne

[hoadie72]

Out of curiousity I checked out Toshiba's website. Is the model 40CV550A ?

These are the supported resolutions, so try 1280 x 1024

VGA: 640 x 480/ (60/72/75Hz)
SVGA: 800 x 600/ (60/72/75Hz)
XGA: 1024 x 768/ (60/70/75Hz)
W-XGA: 1280 x 768/ (60/75Hz)
W-XGA: 1360 x 768/ (60Hz)
S-XGA: 1280 x 1024/ (60/75Hz)

[mike 90 RR]

Mike, Download the FREE K-lite codec pac, load up and you will then be able to play all stuff inc DVD`s on Media Player.

Thanks Wayne ... Works like a charm :)


checked out Toshiba's website. Is the model 40CV550A ?

Yep ... Thats the one ;) .... I've put it all back in it's packaging & box

Going back in tomorrow to fire up a couple more of their LCD's .... I want the 1980 resolution so I can keep my toolbars small and have max working / drawing area

Mike
:)

[LOVEMYRANGIE]

Bill Walker ??? .... I thought he was "Swan Districts FC" ... How did he get his name on the Freo side :confused:

Not on the Freo side. Its the main bar/function room at ground level dedicated to him at Subi Oval.

Oh, and while on the subject, to all Essendon supporters, serves you right for the smart ass banner at the start of the game! :2up:

Mexicans comin' over here thinkin' they better than us......

We showed em..... :bangin::rocket:

Why couldnt we do it for the other 21 games prior..... :wallbash:

Your welcome to try it on my Sony Bravia if you want. Simones puta is HD ready but havent plugged it in yet to try it.

Cheers
Andrew

[mike 90 RR]

Mexicans .....

Mmmm .. someone had a good day :p


I went back and hooked up to about 6 other models .... Bought a Samsung, as it had the best potential ... works good, but can improve on the resolution ... Starting to think about cable quality's??

So not many folks running their computers for home cinemas & utilising the HDMI setups on their video cards out there???

Getting there

Mike

[Ferret]

... Starting to think about cable quality's??

So not many folks running their computers for home cinemas & utilising the HDMI setups on their video cards out there???


I can get 1920*1080 without drama on a Sony across a DVI to HDMI cable. A HDMI cable is really just a DVI cable with a fancy plug. The digital signal for DVI and DHMI is identical and since it is a digital signal, cable quality is immaterial as long as you are getting a signal.

You really can't improve the resolution of your screen beyond its' native resolution. If you have a LCD screen with a native resolution of 1360 x 768 then that all your going to get.

[Captain_Rightfoot]

I use mythbuntu. I did set that stuff up but it was so long ago I think I've forgotten!

[mike 90 RR]

I can get 1920*1080 without drama on a Sony across a DVI to HDMI cable. A HDMI cable is really just a DVI cable with a fancy plug. The digital signal for DVI and DHMI is identical and since it is a digital signal, cable quality is immaterial as long as you are getting a signal.

You really can't improve the resolution of your screen beyond its' native resolution. If you have a LCD screen with a native resolution of 1360 x 768 then that all your going to get.

Actually ... I plugged in a Sony and it hated it with a passion // My video card is new.... So I don't know how you did it ;)


I have looked up the specification in the back of the manual

for its native pixel .... I quote from the book
PC Resolution (Optimum) .... 1920 x 1080 @60hz

This is the only reference to pixels in the "specifications"





I'm in Morley .... wanna have a look at where I'm going wrong?? :angel:


Mike
:confused:

[Ferret]

for its native pixel .... I quote from the book
PC Resolution (Optimum) .... 1920 x 1080 @60hz

This is the only reference to pixels in the "specifications"


I'm in Morley .... wanna have a look at where I'm going wrong??

Mike, can you list the exact make and model names of your TV and video card.

I can bring my own TV pc around sometime Sunday to see if that works any better if you like. If so, PM me your address and we'll work something out.

I know you probably want to use 1920*1080 because you think the higher the resolution the better but if you are viewing your TV from normal viewing distances then you will find that resolution may be unsuitable for you because the fonts will be too small to read. ie there is just no advantage in very high resolutions when you look at something from ~3 metres distance because your eyes are not capable of discerning the additional detail. This is even more pronounced when your screen size is relatively small.

[mike 90 RR]

I'm not using this to watch TV or movies, It's being used as a monitor, I have it set 1.8m from my desk ... It might sound all big & glossy ... But it's all about putting distance between me and the screen and saving my eyes from being strained

1980 x 1080 might sound small ... but @ 1.8m .. it's not bad



Mike, can you list the exact make and model names of your TV and video card.

Samsung LCD .... LA40B550
It's full model number is .. LA40B550K1FXXY // Version SQ02

Video card is ATI RADEON HD4800 series
Model number ... ATI HD4850 ... PCI-E
1gig // GDDR3 // HDMI

Oh & Yes ... I read the instruction manual BEFORE connecting everything
Also I've rung up Samsung technical ... Now I have to wait 24hrs for a tech to ring me back, so I can ask some Q's

Any thoughts??

Mike
;)

[Ferret]

My graphics card is an antique FX5200 so your card should be fine. In the graphics adaptor setup I set the monitor to just a generic "plug and play" monitor with a screen refresh rate of 60hz.

Maybe check your settings - you might be using a too high a refresh rate. Does the VGA input work any better. Other than that no ideas.

The above settings work fine for me at 1920*1080.

[mike 90 RR]

My graphics card is an antique FX5200

I actually have that card in one of my retired computers ... still have the driver CD for it

VGA (PC) cable is no better


Will see how I go with some tech support ...





Any other ideas ... in the meantime???

Mike

[Ferret]

I actually have that card in one of my retired computers

If your old FX5200 has a DVI output then maybe you should try the old PC. You can easily get a DVI to HDMI cable from Dick Smith. If the old FX5200 works OK then a least you have isolated the problem to the ATI graphics card. If you do try the FX5200 then make sure you have installed the latest Nvidia drivers. It is unlikely the drivers from your original CD will work. I could not get full resolution from my FX5200 until I installed the latest drivers.

Also DVI does not carry Audio so you would need to hook up some audio cable to get sound.

If your old FX5200 only has VGA then it may be a waste of time trying, you may not get full resolution from a VGA cable regardless of whatever card or driver you use. I can't and Sony (my TV) specifically state in their operation manual you can't. Not sure if that is a limitation of VGA or Sony TVs.

Given you have tried a few different TVs it seems to suggest it is something at the graphics card end.

[LOVEMYRANGIE]

The input requirement I think is XGA to get HD so VGA is way off.

Mike, your card is PCI-E, is your motherboard a PCI-E compatible board?? This may or may not cause an issue. The card may not be able to render the image fully if your motherboard is older spec PCI graphics adaptor.

Cheers

Andrew

[mike 90 RR]

The input requirement I think is XGA to get HD so VGA is way off.

Mike, your card is PCI-E, is your motherboard a PCI-E compatible board?? This may or may not cause an issue. The card may not be able to render the image fully if your motherboard is older spec PCI graphics adaptor.

Cheers

Andrew

I'm making the hookup to the LCD via a proper HDMI cable
Yea ... I believe the motherboard a PCI-E compatible board

Motherboard is "Gigabyte" / Socket2 ... running a Duocore Intel Pentium chip
All 2 years old
2gig of ram DDR
The ATI Vid card is frggn huge man (brand new)

The ATI Radeon card is actually a overkill for what I want it to do ... but the controls are a nightmare to work out ... as there is a severe lack of knowledge to match the design of their products // Even the "How to install your vid card" does not match "How you actually do it" ...

I'm taking the Tower to the computer shop and try a Nvidia card called

PALIT GTS250 1024mb / 256bit / GDD3 / Dual-link DVI / HDMI
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Fabulous numbers and all very impressive terminology and the size of the card is twice the size of the ATI Radeon .... (I have some, but no frggn idea what it all means .... but hey ... it's big :eek: )

Rang up Samsung ... They have no real idea what their product does either :confused:/// Will have to demand to go to the next level of their tech department if this don't work

Anyone??

Mike
;)

[mike 90 RR]

If your old FX5200 has a DVI output then maybe you should try the old PC. You can easily get a DVI to HDMI cable from Dick Smith.

My old FX card won't work as it only has the VGA output .... You have prompted me to read the instructions to my old vid card (MSI .. NX8500GT series) that has a DVI output .. that says if you want to convert the DVI to a HDMI ... that you have to make a connection from the vid card to the motherboard ... My mother board has a section of pins that have HDMI printed on them

Food for thought

Mike

[George130]

I havn't had any issues with mine. HDMI into the LCD TV works a treat. Normal coectio into the 24 inch wide screen LCD monitor works a treat also.

[mike 90 RR]

I'm taking the Tower to the computer shop and try a Nvidia card called
PALIT GTS250 1024mb / 256bit / GDD3 / Dual-link DVI / HDMI

Card installed ... Good job that I took it to the computer shop ... as it was found that I needed a much larger power supply

Final effect was ...no difference


card (MSI .. NX8500GT series) that has a DVI output .. that says if you want to convert the DVI to a HDMI ... that you have to make a connection from the vid card to the motherboard ... My mother board has a section of pins that have HDMI printed on them

Turns out that those pins are for "sound" when running DVI


I havn't had any issues with mine. HDMI into the LCD TV works a treat. Normal conection into the 24 inch wide screen LCD monitor works a treat also.

Mine works fabulous on any LCD computer monitor ... it's just the TV LCD that I can't get the resolution to work properly ... only 1380 x 768?? is optimum

On the efforts of wanting to run Windows XP and work a CAD program ...
Well, so far, all I can conclude ... is that you can not get the technology of true 1920 x 1080 resolution on a TV LCD .... from a PC


BUT .... I still have a 900mm wide work area on my CAD package of ... this translate to a (approx) A1 sheet of paper on my screen :eek: :cool:


Mike
:)

[George130]

Just looked up my settings and the TV is displaying at 1920 x 1080:).

[mike 90 RR]

Just looked up my settings and the TV is displaying at 1920 x 1080:).

So the settings on your PC ..... Start / control panel / settings / display .... is set to 1920 x 1080??

What brand TV LCD & screen size are you running??

[Ferret]

all I can conclude ... is that you can not get the technology of true 1920 x 1080 resolution on a TV LCD .... from a PC
:)

Look around google for HDCP (high definition content protection) over HDMI and DVI. If one or another device in the video stream is not compliant with HDCP then HDCP will downgrade the video resolution. It is supposed to stop HD dvds (ie Blue Ray @ 1920*1080) from being viewed on "unsafe" monitors where, god forbid, it might be copied.

I don't know if this is a factor in your case but many people complain about unintended side effects of HDCP with TVs and devices like PCs and game consoles.

I get 1920*1080 from a PC on my TV. Maybe I'm just lucky and maybe your just unlucky.

[George130]

So the settings on your PC ..... Start / control panel / settings / display .... is set to 1920 x 1080??

What brand TV LCD & screen size are you running??

According to my video controler it is 1920 x 1080.
TV is a samsung 46 inch wide screen. Computer is a multimedia biased system.

[mike 90 RR]

Look around google for HDCP (high definition content protection) over HDMI and DVI. If one or another device in the video stream is not compliant with HDCP then HDCP will downgrade the video resolution. It is supposed to stop HD dvds (ie Blue Ray @ 1920*1080) from being viewed on "unsafe" monitors where, god forbid, it might be copied.

I don't know if this is a factor in your case but many people complain about unintended side effects of HDCP with TVs and devices like PCs and game consoles.

I get 1920*1080 from a PC on my TV. Maybe I'm just lucky and maybe your just unlucky.

Ferret ... I am VERY interested to see your setup if possible :)

When I had the 1gig ATI radeon 4850 vid card .. I hooked it up to the following brands
Sony ... hated the connection of any resolutions
Hisense ... hated the connection of any resolutions
Toshiba ... works best at the 1360 x 768
Samsung ... works best at the 1360 x 768



According to my video controler it is 1920 x 1080.
TV is a samsung 46 inch wide screen. Computer is a multimedia biased system.

George ... I'm scratching my head a bit ... sorry to be a PITA ... but if you could confirm :)

...as you know, you can write the word "Two ... too ... to" same sound / different meanings ;)

My LCD TV is also the Samsung
So ... can you confirm the following bit, please ....
Is your PC / control panel / vid card / settings ... set to 1920x1080 ... and can you see the windows XP desktop icons OK :cool: ... + which / what vid card are you using??

My samsung also registers the 1920x1080 on the TV screen when it fires up .... BUT the vid card in the PC can only be set to the 1360 x 768 to view the XP desktop properly :(



Mike

[hoadie72]

Out of interest, have you checked the refresh rate of the video card? And using the HDMI3 input?

[mike 90 RR]

Out of interest, have you checked the refresh rate of the video card?

Yes



And using the HDMI3 input?
& Yes ;)

I'm down to the nity grity's ....

Mike
;)

[capri_v6]

dvd decoder u want Download XP Codec Pack 2.5.0 – XP Codec Pack is one of the most complete codec packs (http://www.xpcodecpack.com/) or similar for ur os... and as for screen res. it may have somethin to do with you drivers have u updated them? have u checked that ur card can go that high thru hdmi?

[mike 90 RR]

dvd decoder u want Download XP Codec Pack 2.5.0 – XP Codec Pack is one of the most complete codec packs (http://www.xpcodecpack.com/) or similar for ur os... and as for screen res. it may have somethin to do with you drivers have u updated them? have u checked that ur card can go that high thru hdmi?

Thanking you for the link Capri V6 .... as for the capabilities of the vid card

http://www.guru3d.com/imageview.php?image=16698

This is the biggest & fattest card I have ever seen :twisted:
As far as I'm aware, it's the latest release from Nvidia
It has 2 power supply input sockets just to run the thing // I had to upgrade my power supply, just to run it :eek:

Mike

[mjm295]

Have you tried ditching the HDMI connection and sticking to a VGA cable?

My laptop can output to either of my LCD TV's with a vga cable. One is 720p the other is full1080.

with one of these: Google Image Result for http://www.pothasttechnologies.com/ebay/cables/images/DVI_to_VGA_adapter.jpg (http://www.google.com.au/imgres?imgurl=http://www.pothasttechnologies.com/ebay/cables/images/DVI_to_VGA_adapter.jpg&imgrefurl=http://cgi.ebay.com.my/DVI-to-VGA-Adapter-Converter-New_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQitemZ180344632975&h=457&w=800&sz=37&tbnid=wCY_Lrjj0XCXmM:&tbnh=82&tbnw=143&prev=/images%3Fq%3Ddvi%2Bto%2Bvga&usg=__7b-A_9SfIea_uw7hU0AZHFkGJnQ=&ei=X8KdSvHiE4nWtgOk5uAl&sa=X&oi=image_result&resnum=4&ct=image)

[mike 90 RR]

Have you tried ditching the HDMI connection and sticking to a VGA cable?

:TakeABow: You are a GENIOUS


I HAVE BEEN, AND HAD GOTTEN LOST IN THE TECHNOLOGY:Thump:




I just rehooked up a standard VGA cable ... & up it came ... full 1920 x 1080

Can SEE all the CAD lines / clear as mud :D


:D I will happily take any abuse from others that had hinted at the same solution :D

Thanking everyone ....

Mike

[George130]

:TakeABow: You are a GENIOUS


I HAVE BEEN, AND HAD GOTTEN LOST IN THE TECHNOLOGY:Thump:




I just rehooked up a standard VGA cable ... & up it came ... full 1920 x 1080

Can SEE all the CAD lines / clear as mud :D


:D I will happily take any abuse from others that had hinted at the same solution :D

Thanking everyone ....

Mike


Just went looking at my settings. My monitor is now set to 1920 x 1080 throug the VGA cable. Grafics settings also claim 1920 x 1080. Will check TV tonight.
I'm even runnng an onboard card not a high end job:).

[mike 90 RR]

Just went looking at my settings. My monitor is now set to 1920 x 1080 throug the VGA cable. Grafics settings also claim 1920 x 1080. Will check TV tonight.
I'm even runnng an onboard card not a high end job:).

Enjoy your screen George :)

After been thru the mill, Yep ... shouldn't take a high end card to run it ...
it just turns out that it was a lack of knowledge, and the Toshiba LCD throwing me off track, as it only has a PC VGA resolution of 1360x768? :(

What the TV sales folk don't know, is the various resolutions for the different input sockets that these screens run at ...The Samsung is true 19208x1080 thru-out :)

I'm OK with the high end card as it has sped up the programs I use ... now to upgrade to a Pentium Quadcore :twisted:

Mike
:angel:

[George130]

What the TV sales folk don't know, is the various resolutions for the different input sockets that these screens run at ...The Samsung is true 19208x1080 thru-out :)


:angel:

I always look up the stats myself. Been in to many stores over the years where I know more on the it, tv and audio gear than they do.