An offer was made to me

[korg20000bc]

Hello,
I was looking around farms and what-not for land rovers and found a series 3 LWB hard top in reasonable condition with diesel engine, that was pretty oily, and there was a bit of back panel damage. The guy said that it used to belong to his father and would like to sell it to someone with all his extras. "Extras, you say?"
It turns out that there was 2 extra diesel engines (+the one in there already), gearbox, another petrol engine 2.25l and 2 salisbury axels/diffs.

He's asking $1000.

I was warned off series 3 and diesels in particular but this seems a pretty good deal. I've been reading that the diesels can be made into excellent engines with little modification.

Is it a go-er?

[Blknight.aus]

Buy it......

trade me one of the diesels and I'll lay on the spanners to fix bits for ya....

(one of the sals wouldnt go astray either.)

[lro11]

Good deal, I say too

[RobHay]

Korg Take it all into protective custody:nazilock: until Blknight and me self get down there...kill if you have to :o...we will sort it.


Blknight....pack a bumpack and grab a couple of rat packs, be there in 45 minutes to pick you up.

[Blknight.aus]

I'll bring the shovel, lime and capsicum capsules as well....

avoid shooting if you can, 60ftlb of torque on the neck makes an "accidental" death by falling easier to fake.

[korg20000bc]

...you guys sound like you've done this before.
Here's some pics, and yes, that is what his farm looks like:
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I think it is 91917kms.

I have recently bought a 2a ex-army 3/4ton GS and it seems to be a lot heavier duty and the s3 and I have a mate that says don't get a series3.
I'm sure you guys love them... Do you? especially compared to a 2a?

[lardy]

dave i am good with a shovel its the paddy in me .....would go a salisbury as a back up idea i have ....

[Blknight.aus]

the biggest difference is in the box.

the 2a box is tougher but unsyncro'd in the first 2 gears.

a decent condition drum to drum sals can get you $500 and a "runs, sort of" diesel is worth about the same. (If you can find someone stupid enough to want one:) )

[korg20000bc]

Blknight,
You obviously like the diesel. Do you run it just as standard or have you done stuff to it to get it how you like it?

[vnx205]

..
....... .... ... .. I have a mate that says don't get a series3.
I'm sure you guys love them... Do you? especially compared to a 2a?
What is wrong with Series IIIs?
I bought mine when it was 10 years old and sold it when it was 33 years old. By then it had over 300,000km on it and it didn't ever let me down in that time.
The gearbox may not be as strong as a 2A, but it is plenty strong enough to do the job. Apart from the fact that it used to like to jump out of third gear, mine gave me no problems.

Just because some bits were not as good as the 2A doesn't make the whole vehicle inferior. After all my Salisbury diff was better than the one in the 2A.

[korg20000bc]

vnx205,
I know of nothing wrong with the series3- I have no experience with them. But my friend says that the chassis was of poorer quality and lower quality steel used because of some deal with fiat or something.

I'm asking for advice as I'm seriously thinking of buying one. I'd be happier doing modifications to a series three than the 2a GS. I want to restore that to army specs but, I assume, I'd be getting a better/more comfortable tourer with the diesel series3.

I'm glad your experience was so good! I'd like that too.

[Jock The Rock]

My old man has one very similar to that, for the 5 or so years it was on the road he had no major problems. Apart from a leaky radiator :p

His liked to jump out of 1st rather than 3rd, but apart from that was a great thing.

The chassis and bulkhead are full of rust, but thats life. Possibly the previous owner/owners driving on the beach without washing it properly.

If your worried about the chassis have a climb under and poke it with a screwdriver. If it goes through the chassis offer him a bit less :p

[isuzurover]

I would buy the lot - but maybe offer him 800-900.

2.25Ds are good engines if you aren't in a hurry, and late SIII versions have a few upgrades compared to SIIA versions.

Series IIIs are just as good as SIIAs - only downside is the gearbox, and the thin steel backing of the dash which rusts easily.

[korg20000bc]

I would buy the lot - but maybe offer him 800-900.

2.25Ds are good engines if you aren't in a hurry, and late SIII versions have a few upgrades compared to SIIA versions.

Series IIIs are just as good as SIIAs - only downside is the gearbox, and the thin steel backing of the dash which rusts easily.

Sounds good.
Actually, it has been from reading your posts about your diesel performance that has made me seriously consider it.

[Blknight.aus]

Blknight,
You obviously like the diesel. Do you run it just as standard or have you done stuff to it to get it how you like it?

its actually a little below stock in terms of performance....

but then it does run on anything from this side of sweet light crude to olive oil.

[korg20000bc]

its actually a little below stock in terms of performance....

but then it does run on anything from this side of sweet light crude to olive oil.

Yum.

I'm warming to the idea now!

[Blknight.aus]

yeah... Specially now summers coming back and I should be able to get my WVO sorted out again...

On that note I cannot believe how freaking hard it is to try and get the ATO to work out what paperwork you need to do to pay the excise for doing WVO....

Im actually trying to give them money and they cant help me......

[isuzurover]

Sounds good.
Actually, it has been from reading your posts about your diesel performance that has made me seriously consider it.

When mine was in its prime it would beat a good 2.25P. Since the 2.25P is the same basic engine, it is quite understressed. So both engines have about the same lifespan.

The main advantage is that the diesel will use half the fuel of the petrol. And has great low down torque for pottering round the bush.

Unlike what Dave says, the CAV DPA injector pump which the 2.25D has, doesn't like fuels which are too viscous. So while it will run fine on biodiesel (I usually use B20), it will not last long on veg oil.

I originally rebuilt my 2.25P. It went quite well, and would happily do 125km/h on the highway (without OD) - and beat my dad's 88" with a twin barrel webber carby. However I didn't regret the switch to a 2.25D for one microsecond.

[TJWA]

On that note I cannot believe how freaking hard it is to try and get the ATO to work out what paperwork you need to do to pay the excise for doing WVO....

Im actually trying to give them money and they cant help me......

A wise accountant / lawyer once said to me...

"If you were commanding a platoon would you position your men then contact the other side to ask them if where you positioned them was OK?"

:p

[isuzurover]

A wise accountant / lawyer once said to me...

"If you were commanding a platoon would you position your men then contact the other side to ask them if where you positioned them was OK?"

:p

:D

I recall reading on the biofuel forum ( Bio Fuels Forums - Powered by vBulletin (http://www.biofuelsforum.com/) ) that while fuel excise was payable on biodiesel, non transesterified fuel (AKA SVO/WVO) was not included. This may have changed though.

[Blknight.aus]

When mine was in its prime it would beat a good 2.25P. Since the 2.25P is the same basic engine, it is quite understressed. So both engines have about the same lifespan.

The main advantage is that the diesel will use half the fuel of the petrol. And has great low down torque for pottering round the bush.

Unlike what Dave says, the CAV DPA injector pump which the 2.25D has, doesn't like fuels which are too viscous. So while it will run fine on biodiesel (I usually use B20), it will not last long on veg oil.

I originally rebuilt my 2.25P. It went quite well, and would happily do 125km/h on the highway (without OD) - and beat my dad's 88" with a twin barrel webber carby. However I didn't regret the switch to a 2.25D for one microsecond.

Thats why IVe got a fairly significant fuel heating system. at about 60 degrees (depending on the quality of the oil) the vegge oil flows just like diesel.

problem is everyones now switched over to a copha like grease that takes more heatin and holds more water :(


A wise accountant / lawyer once said to me...

"If you were commanding a platoon would you position your men then contact the other side to ask them if where you positioned them was OK?"

:p

yeah a fair point, but Im trying to play by their rules so they cant turn around and bite me in the ass later.

[Phoenix]

Mate, with all those spares you could easily end up in the positive. I'd say go for it!!!

[isuzurover]

Thats why IVe got a fairly significant fuel heating system. at about 60 degrees (depending on the quality of the oil) the vegge oil flows just like diesel.

problem is everyones now switched over to a copha like grease that takes more heatin and holds more water :(




I was going to add a caveat on that re. heating.

Would be interested to know how it goes. The info I have seen on the biofules forum was that most cooking oils don't get up to the range of diesel viscosities till 100-120oC.

[Blknight.aus]

I run about 20% diesel into the WVO to help sort that....

I have the exhaust shielded to the left hand tank which is where I run my WVO from, there is a dedicated heater up on the front that runs directly from the cooling system and the filters for the WVO supply side are near the exhuast manifold.

[korg20000bc]

I went and had another look today.
The bloke had made a bit of a mistake with the gear he had and scrounged up some more too.
The S3, dated 1/82 was a bit rougher than I remembered- some more dings and bending on the rear crossmember, bashed fuel tank, smelled damp inside, seats rotten and was really dirty inside. The bloke's father used it as his wood getting vehicle. Apparently he could fit 90 cubic feet of firewood in there! The chassis had NO rust at all. The engine was oily and I couldn't see where it was coming from. The guy said that the first and last time he drove it, 3 years ago, it would jump out of third going down hill. How big a problem is that to sort out?
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In there back was a plethora of parts and I have no idea what is what.

The engines consisted of 1 complete petrol and 1 complete diesel and 2 more blocks and various heads.
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Lots of parts here. See anything interesting?
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Plus 1 salisbury diff/axel wheels.
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$1000 all up.

[Blknight.aus]

dead easy
rebuild the supplied spare box and then install that.


if the spare injector pump I spy is in one of the pics is in working order new those things are over 1200 each.

[Dinty]

G'day All, I spied 2 x brake vacuum butterflys;) cheers Dennis:angel:

[isuzurover]

G'day All, I spied 2 x brake vacuum butterflys;) cheers Dennis:angel:

How many do you want, those butterflys are evil powersapping mistakes of engineering. I took mine off. If you need vacuum then a vacuum alternator or 12V vacuum pump is a much better idea.

Looks like a good haul. Late model 2.25D engines are the best, as the metallurgy of the crank improved as did the injector pump. They also had a special sump and 1" thick alloy baffle between the sump and the block to reduce noise.

[Blknight.aus]

that plate wasnt only a noise thing but it added strength to the block as well as a windage tray to prevent frothing of the oil.

[korg20000bc]

I'm picking it up today. Should be fun.

[Blknight.aus]

when you get it all if your willing to do some dealing, I have some dealing that needs to be done to help out some people.

if you're interested in getting some bits squared out once you have them let me know and I'll see what I can do from my end.

[lro11]

Would love that late model rim if available?

[korg20000bc]

Well, that was an adventure...
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2010/01/893.jpg
My brother in law has a mate who owned a beaut trailer that we used to get the Series3. Loaded it up no worries. We leave and approaching the first T intersection and I'm thinking "Woo up a bit.." Anyway, the brother in law, who is driving, has to put the brakes on pretty hard and CRASH. The LR has moved forward on the trailer and gone over the front and hooked itself up on the pillar. Woops. He forgot to tie it down from behind...
Back to the bloke I got it from and he helps us get it sorted.
Damage= Bent steering parts, ding in the chassis and I think broken steering box or relay. Fortunate to get away without a frigged radiator. It didn't want to steer at all and when I turned the steering wheel there was a bang from somewhere. When I looked through all the parts in the tub- there were all the bits to do repairs.
Arse.
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Worst spring pack I've ever seen.
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How well can a crack here be reapired?
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[korg20000bc]

Would love that late model rim if available?

You mean the silver painted one?

PM me with what you think its worth.

Blknight.aus,
Sure we can deal. Just give me some time to get it sorted out.

[Shonky]

Bit of an adventure... :eek:

[Blknight.aus]

Well, that was an adventure...
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2010/01/893.jpg
My brother in law has a mate who owned a beaut trailer that we used to get the Series3. Loaded it up no worries. We leave and approaching the first T intersection and I'm thinking "Woo up a bit.." Anyway, the brother in law, who is driving, has to put the brakes on pretty hard and CRASH. The LR has moved forward on the trailer and gone over the front and hooked itself up on the pillar. Woops. He forgot to tie it down from behind...
Back to the bloke I got it from and he helps us get it sorted.
Damage= Bent steering parts, ding in the chassis and I think broken steering box or relay. Fortunate to get away without a frigged radiator. It didn't want to steer at all and when I turned the steering wheel there was a bang from somewhere. When I looked through all the parts in the tub- there were all the bits to do repairs.
Arse.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2010/01/894.jpg
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2010/01/895.jpg
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2010/01/896.jpg

Worst spring pack I've ever seen.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2010/01/897.jpg

How well can a crack here be reapired?
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2010/01/898.jpg



All fixable itd take me about an hour with the mig to do the suspension bracket properly bout 10 minutes to dodge it.

[Muckinhell]

i kinda feel you pian....when i picked mine up we couldnt get it started so we tried winding it up in low range onto the trailer, only got half way up so the bro in law tried backing it up as i wound the starter, only to be slightly of line and i started destroying the side skirt under the passangers door. it was being caught up on the side rasil of the trailer where the indicators were sitting. so after that i wound it back off and the front left wheel slips off the ramp and the bumper is then stuck on same bit of indictaor side rail of trailer all hung up...then when i finally got it off there and got it home i found the front shock hanger had broken off as well......just took the skirts off and have a replacement shock hanger ready to go on...but its not fun when things like this happen hey.

[korg20000bc]

Yep. No fun.

Makes me sure of what not to do next time, though.