medical help

[Landy Smurf]

hey i was wondring if anyone has experienced this on knows what this might be
you know how you get a stitch in your stomach.now imagine that in your chest/heart,well thats what i get a few times a week.they happen at the oddest times for example i will be just sitting down and it will hit me.even if i eat right and dont do any extreme exercise i still get them
WHAT ARE THEY?
i call them heart stitches

[numpty]

Go and see your doctor.

[Outlaw]

Yeah what Numpty said ^^^^^

[seano87]

There is only one correct answer to this question, and it has already been given. See your doctor. No ifs or buts. It may very well be benign and nothing to be concerned about but for your own sake get it investigated ASAP.

Now - seeing as your young and there is nothing you think obvious to cause it, it's termed atypical chest pain, which can be caused by a number of things, some worrying, some not.

It may be heart (cardiac) or respiratory related which is potentially concerning, it may also be something like oesophageal spasming (muscles of the oesophagus spasming randomly, not entirely uncommon and will often feel like cardiac pain). Could also be reflux. Basically it could be quite a few things - the only true way to know is to get it investigated properly, there is no shame in going to see your GP and for it ending up being nothing to worry about.

About a year ago, when I was just 21, I had some atypical chest pain, thought nothing much of it at first, so did nothing, turned out I'd had a infarction (heart attack). I've learnt my lesson many times over.

Seano

[Blknight.aus]

allow me to elaborate for the numpties. (and everyone else who posted while my interslow was loading the reply page)

DOCTOR.

GO.

NOW.


questions?

[Grumbles]

Yes. Go to the Doc immediately! Pleeeease!

They can cure medical conditions. They can't fix corpses. And don't worry if it turns out to be a false alarm. They don't mind and would much rather you turned up and get checked out than suffer serious consequences else where.

[JDNSW]

I'll just add the same advice as the others - it can be a wide variety things some trivial, some a bit more serious and a few that are life threatening.

My advice is to see a doctor, preferably soon.

John

[Chucaro]

I hope that you have posted this thread from your GP rooms.
My advice is to go to the hospital, they will put you on the machine and do a blood test to see if there are any problems with your pump.
Then go with their report to your Dr tomorrow. ;)

All the best and take care

[Landy Smurf]

I hope that you have posted this thread from your GP rooms.
My advice is to go to the hospital, they will put you on the machine and do a blood test to see if there are any problems with your pump.
Then go with their report to your Dr tomorrow. ;)

All the best and take care
no at home

[It'sNotWorthComplaining!]

Don't disregard any chest pains.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Get to Hospital and have your self checked out. I have been twice, once I drove myself and the coronary care unit tolds me never to drive yourself, call an Ambulance. The second time I went By ambulance. All turned out a false alarm.
BUT WHAT THE DOCS AT HOSPITAL TOLD ME IS NEVER, EVER BE afraid of false alarms. They would prefer to treat you as a false alarm than for you to have a Fatal Heart Attack.
Also be aware that Heart Attack is not always like you see in the movies, it can be mild pain/discomfort and then get you big time.
Not to scare you, but it's better to have your mind put at ease then to let it worry you over and over.

[GS1967]

Couple of years ago i woke up to a mild discomfort in the heart region. It persisted for awhile & realising it wasn`t going away called the ambo. 15 mins later i was in hospital suffering a 7/10 (pain factor) heart attack. I would have two more over the next week in there albeit hooked up to drips & fed medication.A week later quad bypass. I think i`m doing ok now all things considered & a shade under 60. So yeah, don`t disregard any symptom in that region.Might not be, but you don`t ever want to find out the hard way. So like others here have said, go see your GP. cheers gordon

[Landy Smurf]

i just got them again but this time i got 1 short followed by 1 very long 1.im going to try and get into the doctors tomorrow but doubt i will get in as it is normally booked out.hopefully they can squeeze me in

[Captain_Rightfoot]

Ok, not wanting to hijack here, but what does it mean if you get one of these once every month or two? I get them very occasionally... like really can go many months between one. After like a couple of minutes it passes.

[Johnsy]

At the risk of sounding like a broken record, you really need to do the following:

STOP- rest /cease any strenuous activity....
Call 000 and ask for an ambulance, explain that you have chest pain, what it feels like currently, the duration it has been going on, and what medical history you have (particularly cardiac)
If you have ASPIRIN at home and are not allergic to it take at least 300mg (one normal Aspirin or 2 of the Astrix 150mg tabs)
Turn on your ouside lights, and get someone to shift the Landy from the driveway so the Paramedics can find your house, and park as close as possible.
Gather any medications you normally take or are prescribed to take...
And wait for the ambulance, noting any changes in symptoms....

As an Advanced Care Paramedic I have treated heaps of people who have described the symptoms you are experiencing, some had no major medical problem, some were having angina or a mild cardiac event, and some were suffering a full blown myocardial infarction/heart attack.... Really cant stress enough that you need to seek medical advice and treatment ASAP.... (That mean tonight!!)

To put it in perspective you are a TD5 with a potentially loose oil pump bolt... would you keep the motor running and revving it hard???:eek:

All the best,

Johnsy

[maca]

i just got them again but this time i got 1 short followed by 1 very long 1.im going to try and get into the doctors tomorrow but doubt i will get in as it is normally booked out.hopefully they can squeeze me in

Dude, If you tell your doc you've got chest pains they WILL fit you in, no questions asked.

[numpty]

Ok, not wanting to hijack here, but what does it mean if you get one of these once every month or two? I get them very occasionally... like really can go many months between one. After like a couple of minutes it passes.

I'll tell you what it means.........go and see your doctor.

[disco2hse]

Yeah, like Numpty said. Doesn't matter if you aren't getting them right there and then.

[Basil135]

To put it in perspective you are a TD5 with a potentially loose oil pump bolt... would you keep the motor running and revving it hard???:eek:

All the best,

Johnsy

Brilliant analogy...

Did someone mention CALL AN AMBULANCE already???:o

[cartm58]

or you can wait and see what happens, if you decide on wait and see option, whilst your waiting revise your will and check your bank balance for the cost of a funeral or if you want to drink your balance and enjoy yourself take out a insurance plan for the funeral costs.

[Landy Smurf]

i dont drink sports drinks and i dont drink much coke anymore.i went to the docs today he wasnt entirely sure because my heart rate was all over the place.eg 1 time he did it=normal next time beating realy fast
any way the result is i am going for a x-ray in the next week for chest pains and pulpitition

[CraigE]

Go to your doctor asap.
If they say that they can not fit you in make the statement "I am having chest pain of presumed cardiac origin". This statement should ensure that they will see you immediatelly. If they dont, well they could be culpable. Failing that go to an ED and tell them the same.
Most of all do not worry too much until you have seen a doctor. It could be anything from serious cardiac, angina or even muscle strain. Without an in depth description of exact location, type of pain etc it can be hard to tell.
Good luck but get it checked asap. Better to be over cautious with something like this. DO NOT ignore it.
Cheers
Craig
Just read your post. Did he do an ECG, blood test etc?

[Jojo]

An open forum is never an acceptable place to discuss personal medical issues seriously, even worse asking for medical advice. Besides, even a specialist in Guessology will not be able to ensure you are interpreting your symptoms adequately.
Contact me via PM if you want me to exploit more detailed.

[Landy Smurf]

An open forum is never an acceptable place to discuss personal medical issues seriously, even worse asking for medical advice. Besides, even a specialist in Guessology will not be able to ensure you are interpreting your symptoms adequately.
Contact me via PM if you want me to exploit more detailed.
i dont reely see it as being that personel plus it was just to see what it might be

[disco2hse]

i dont drink sports drinks and i dont drink much coke anymore.i went to the docs today he wasnt entirely sure because my heart rate was all over the place.eg 1 time he did it=normal next time beating realy fast
any way the result is i am going for a x-ray in the next week for chest pains and pulpitition

Arrhythmia is fairly common but can still lead to other complications, or may be a sign of other problems. I am a little surprised your doctor has requested an x-ray, that is going to show what is there as a snapshot only. I would have thought an ECG followed by a cardiac stress test would have been on the cards.

Listening to what you have said so far and your age I would be inclined to go to a different doctor and see what they have to say too. Your heart is pretty important, there is no redundancy built into its systems like, say kidneys.

Young people are no less likely to experience serious heart related illness than older people. It is just that the types of illness tend to change with advancing age groups.

Alan

[numpty]

Arrhythmia is fairly common but can still lead to other complications, or may be a sign of other problems. I am a little surprised your doctor has requested an x-ray, that is going to show what is there as a snapshot only. I would have thought an ECG followed by a cardiac stress test would have been on the cards.

Listening to what you have said so far and your age I would be inclined to go to a different doctor and see what they have to say too. Your heart is pretty important, there is no redundancy built into its systems like, say kidneys.

Young people are no less likely to experience serious heart related illness than older people. It is just that the types of illness tend to change with advancing age groups.

Alan

Thoroughly agree. As a matter of fact, I am off for one of these myself this afternoon, hoping to find nothing untoward of course.

[V8Ian]

I can't believe this thread has gone on so long! Would you consult a quilting forum for technical facts about Land Rovers?:confused::confused::confused:

[disco2hse]

I can't believe this thread has gone on so long! Would you consult a quilting forum for technical facts about Land Rovers?:confused::confused::confused:

Little bit rough :eek:

I would hardly put quilting and a fellow member's heart together. And this is the general chat forum ;)

Alan

[V8Ian]

Little bit rough :eek:

I would hardly put quilting and a fellow member's heart together. And this is the general chat forum ;)

Alan
Even if we had a heart surgeon here, none of us are qualified to diagnose or treat via open forum. The man needs to seek proper medical aid, not advice from Landy loving whitch-doctors.

[disco2hse]

I have seen no evidence of anyone offering treatment or diagnosis, only advice that the OP should get it checked by a health professional.

Surgeons may not be required but tests are, as has been suggested.

Read through again and you will see that at least one paramedic and a nurse have offered replies, not witch doctors.

For myself, I have encountered similar to what the OP has described and have suggested the health checks I have undergone on more than two occasions. Others who have posted have described their own experiences. There is nothing wrong with that and everything to gain. Men, it seems, need to be more vocal in sharing such concerns.

Alan

[V8Ian]

I have seen no evidence of anyone offering treatment or diagnosis, only advice that the OP should get it checked by a health professional.

Surgeons may not be required but tests are, as has been suggested.

Read through again and you will see that at least one paramedic and a nurse have offered replies, not witch doctors.

For myself, I have encountered similar to what the OP has described and have suggested the health checks I have undergone on more than two occasions. Others who have posted have described their own experiences. There is nothing wrong with that and everything to gain. Men, it seems, need to be more vocal in sharing such concerns.

Alan
Both of these people are well qualified in their proper enviroment. Open forum is not the ideal source of information for urgent, serious medical opinions, an ingrown toe nail, ok. The best qualified specialist (RFDS) for opinion on this type of medium would have scrambled an aircraft before completing the conversation, given the symptoms.
I am not criticising any of the people who have offered advice, most of it hase been sensible, go to a doctor. What I find ludicrous is that, that was not the first, urgent action. This forum was!:confused:

[It'sNotWorthComplaining!]

:confused::confused::confused::confused::confused:

[Johnsy]

Hey thanks alot v8ian...... which doctor were you referring to as a witch doctor???;)

Just kidding, all I was trying to do was provide some relevant advice and in no way was I diagnosing this condition.

As anyone who has a medical background would know, medical opinions are formed with the benefit of education, experience and knowledge, all I was trying to do in this case was help a fellow member out with a problem I know something about... no different to a computer tech giving general IT advice, or a mechanic giving mechanical opinion.

If you have something specific you disagree with, feel free to PM me...:)

Back to the bones, and feathers and the big iron pot.....:angel:

[Landy Smurf]

justto get every thing clear i was only after advice/what it might be just so i have a bit of an idea.because im only 17 i did not realy think to much about and have much knowledge about these things i was probably always going to see a doctor but was just curious to see what it might be and whether anyone on here have had an experiance like this before
i will end this post with a quote from "bambi"
if you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all

[CraigE]

I actually think most of us have only said he should see a GP and get it checked asap as a precaution. I do not see anywhere anyone has tried to diagnose either.
It could be something or it could be nothing, either way a check up to determine this is required asap.
Dont condem him for asking advice, too many people dont and often the consequences of not doing so are tragic.

[George130]

Reading this thread it was all only advice and all was see your GP asap or ring 000.
Good advice.

Had similar in Jan this year but I ignored it. ECG done a week later showed nothing so it was put down to stress and I was lectured about not ignoring it and pushing through like I did at the time.

[korg20000bc]

Of course, any heart pain needs urgent medical attention.
But, from your original description, it seemed to be an intercostal muscle cramp / spasm ie. the muscles between your ribs. Possibly a cramp in the diaphragm if the pain is felt at your side. This can often be relieved by stretching. Taking a deep breath and holding for about 10 secs can release this spasm, though the initial indraw of breath can feel sharp.
Many, many people get this.
Do you get cramps in other parts of your body? If so you might have a electrolyte or magnesium deficiancy.

Not all pain in the region means heart trouble but it is good practice to assume so. If persistant, it could indicate another condition like pleurisy. You don't want that...

Now, feel free to howl at me.

[V8Ian]

Hey thanks alot v8ian...... which doctor were you referring to as a witch doctor???;)

Just kidding, all I was trying to do was provide some relevant advice and in no way was I diagnosing this condition.

As anyone who has a medical background would know, medical opinions are formed with the benefit of education, experience and knowledge, all I was trying to do in this case was help a fellow member out with a problem I know something about... no different to a computer tech giving general IT advice, or a mechanic giving mechanical opinion.

If you have something specific you disagree with, feel free to PM me...:)

Back to the bones, and feathers and the big iron pot.....:angel:
As stated elsewhere on this thread, I was not having a go at anyone. The consequenses of waiting for mecanical or IT advice may be inconvienience, but waiting for the advice requested here could be fatal.:confused:

[Slunnie]

Even if we had a heart surgeon here, none of us are qualified to diagnose or treat via open forum.
That would only be for the GP or heart surgeon to determine, not anybody else.

[V8Ian]

That would only be for the GP or heart surgeon to determine, not anybody else.
I doubt very much if either would prefer to consult on AULRO, in preference to a proper medical facility.

[Slunnie]

I doubt very much if either would prefer to consult on AULRO, in preference to a proper medical facility.
Probably, but thats an entirely different matter. :D

[blitz]

So young fella put us out of our collective misery, what did the doctor say?

unless I missed reading a post from you, you havent told us what was wrong?

Blythe

[DeanoH]

any way the result is i am going for a x-ray in the next week for chest pains and pulpitition
Hope it all works out OK for you and its just the good looking nurse that raised your heart rate.

Wishing you well

Deano

[p38arover]

As stated elsewhere on this thread, I was not having a go at anyone. The consequenses of waiting for mecanical or IT advice may be inconvienience, but waiting for the advice requested here could be fatal.:confused:

It's a damn sight better to ask here and get the advice given than to sit at home and not ask at all. He's 17 and inexperienced. I'm glad he asked.

I don't see why you are so negative about this thread, Ian.

[V8Ian]

It's a damn sight better to ask here and get the advice given than to sit at home and not ask at all. He's 17 and inexperienced. I'm glad he asked.

I don't see why you are so negative about this thread, Ian.

It's not so much as I'm against it Ron, I feel the time wasted could have been fatal. He's in the Hunter Valley, not beyond Rabbit Flats, a call to 000, or a local medical practicioner would have been far more appropriate. To my strange way of thinking, it's akin to getting on this forum to ask for instruction in CPR, rather than calling for an ambulance.

Just to lighten the moment, I'll quote a phone conversation (verbatum) between my ex and her father, who had a history of heart disease.

FiL "T, I think I'm having a heart turn."
T " Right Dad, have you called an ambulance?"
FiL "No, I thought you'd want to know."
T "Get off the phone and call an ambulance you stupid man. If fact I'll call them and I'll be there before the ambulance."
FiL "OK love, tell them I'll meet them at the end of the drive, they won't want to be carrying me down the stairs."

The man was serious, he was always considerate,but that was taking it a bit too far. He was persuaded to wait upstairs.:D

[Jojo]

He's 17 and inexperienced...

Even with "only" 17 years of age one should know that for medical conditions you seek medical advice, which, as a matter of fact, cannot be had on an open discussion forum, especially one that is not focused on medial or health issues (Ian made a good point here when referring to the quilting forum, where you woudn't ask about the Td5-oil-pump-bolt problem either).
Most of the readers here are medical laymen, who simply cannot say other than "see a doc, mate, urgently", the ones who have a medical background cannot say other "Cannot give you any advice without more detailed information. Go, see a colleague of ours...", even if the odds of him having any serious condition are rather slim. So what's the whole point??? He could -and should- have done this in first place.

There are some good reasons why personal health related issues shouldn't be discussed in public, as any health professional will confirm.

Cheers

[Landy Smurf]

Hope it all works out OK for you and its just the good looking nurse that raised your heart rate.

Wishing you well

Deano
HE was an indian doctor.so no HE did not raise my heart rate

[Landy Smurf]

went to the hospital to get my x-ray will get the results back next week

[V8Ian]

If anything like this happens again, please tell us in the past tense. Don't hesitate, call an ambulance or doctor straight away, or sooner.

[Landy Smurf]

If anything like this happens again, please tell us in the past tense. Don't hesitate, call an ambulance or doctor straight away, or sooner.
so you have said

[p38arover]

So what's the whole point??? He could -and should- have done this in first place.

Which is exactly what everyone told him. So I don't see why you have the irrits with those that told him.

[dullbird]

so you have said

well I guess its good that a complete stranger has your health at heart doesn't it....

I totally see where Ian was coming from....and so should you

[Jojo]

So I don't see why you have the irrits with those that told him.

No probs with the answers, with asking the question here in first place, mate!

Touché!

[miky]

And for those reading the thread....well maybe they have learnt something too. ;)


That's for sure....

[dullbird]

I think this thread has got a little silly.....

I understand both sides

Ian...i understand where he is coming from in regards to coming on here and saying hey I had chest pain..and this is what my doctor said not hey I got chest pain...what do you think it could be

At the same time I think I understand why Mr Schmierer asked what he did..if he is anything like me probably hates going to the doctors especially if he thinks he might waist someone's time..(i probably would of done the same thing but then I would of known the answer I would of got which would be what I should of done in the first place)

For what its worth I used to have very similar chest pain that came out of the blue when I was about 18.....at the same time I was also having a lot of panic attacks for no apparent reason (they just used to come on) but they never happened at the same time...I had ecg's done (think that's what it was called) as I used to get a feeling where my heart would feel like its going to pound out of my chest. Nothing ever showed up as being irregular. And they did eventually stop. I guess it must of been down to stress or something (not sure what you have to stress about at 18)

Still I'm not saying this is what you have wrong just saying that if tests show up as being normal....you have still done the right thing about going to the doctors and if if test come back normal and your pains persist still go back and don't think you are waisting there time. like everyone has said on here its better to be safe than sorry...

[Landy Smurf]

Why should that be a problem. It's not YOUR health he is discussing. It's personal choice (and soley the persons decision) as to what you divulge about your personal health anywhere, be it internet, to a friend or to a stranger.

It'd be a problem if he was discussing someone's else's health maybe.

He asked for advise. He got good advise and acted on it the very next day. It wasn't as if he was sitting at the computer with severe chest pain at that exact point in time asking what he should do. His health was not compromised at all. And in fact, by asking for advise he now knows some other investigations his doctor might consider and has the knowledge to ask if they will be done whereas he would take the doctors plan of management ignorantly and as we know, not all doctors know everything, and might not have all the correct investigations done. And for those reading the thread....well maybe they have learnt something too. ;)


100% right

[Grumbles]

It's all pretty simple really.

Got chest pain and want to live. Then call 000 instantly. Tell them chest pain and to get an ambulance to you. Now!!!!

And if you haven't got ambulance cover then you should buy that right now. One of the best small dollar investments you'll ever make.

[V8Ian]

The trouble with hearts is that arrythmias, like atrial fibrillation, supra ventricular tachycardia, ventricular tachycardia...all of which have the potential to kill you, can sometimes be self limiting (ie the stop all by themselves after maybe a few beats or a few seconds or a few hours...but they stop by themselves) and intermittant, and no matter how many tests you do, unless you catch the event while it is happening, you will never know what is happening and so cannot treat it. Plus, what one persons symptoms are will not necessarily be the same as anothers.

Some of these things can be triggered by stress but there are so many other reasons why they happen...and why so many investigations need to be done like blood electrolyte levels, ECG's, 24hr monitors, Electro-physiological studies, cardiac echoes etc etc etc before "normal" can be ascertained, and even then....you still might not even find the problem nor the cause.
So in other words we're a bit like Land Rover electricals?;):p

[dullbird]

The trouble with hearts is that arrythmias, like atrial fibrillation, supra ventricular tachycardia, ventricular tachycardia...all of which have the potential to kill you, can sometimes be self limiting (ie the stop all by themselves after maybe a few beats or a few seconds or a few hours...but they stop by themselves) and intermittant, and no matter how many tests you do, unless you catch the event while it is happening, you will never know what is happening and so cannot treat it. Plus, what one persons symptoms are will not necessarily be the same as anothers.

Some of these things can be triggered by stress but there are so many other reasons why they happen...and why so many investigations need to be done like blood electrolyte levels, ECG's, 24hr monitors, Electro-physiological studies, cardiac echoes etc etc etc before "normal" can be ascertained, and even then....you still might not even find the problem nor the cause.

yeah that's what I figured and why I said even if test come back norm if the problem persist keep seeing your doctor..

[V8Ian]

genuine Lucas :D:D
Who has a testbook connection, and where?:o

[dullbird]

:lol2: that was funny

[V8Ian]

Come see me at work :D I'm sure we could work something out ;) ...... like this

YouTube - Doctor vs fly (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mq7bMiaPD3I&feature=PlayList&p=4403A96327616139&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=30)
:lol2::lol2::lol2: That never fails to amuse me.:o

[Jojo]

Why should that be a problem. It's not YOUR health he is discussing. It's personal choice (and soley the persons decision) as to what you divulge about your personal health anywhere, be it internet, to a friend or to a stranger.




In this case I am surprised that most medical professionals are trying to keep the patient's privacy and are not doing open consultations on the market square. As said earlier, privacy is there for a good reason.
Think if he would be applying for a job next week and his prospective employer happens to be a reader on this forum...

[V8Ian]

;)https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ (http://freesmileyface.net):angel:

[V8Ian]

He could just deny that it is him ;). After all, his prospective employer would have to be certain that the forum user is actually the person applying for the job.

I mean, I don't actually go around filling in job applications under the name "Numpty's Missus" :D

I do though, just to help you out.:p

[The ho har's]

nah I wouldn't though



Mrs ho har:angel:

[p38arover]

My daughter came home earlier tonight from visiting one of her friends whose father died earlier this week.

He'd been out riding his motorbike with a group of BSA riders. After the ride he laid down in the back of a ute, said it was a good ride and that he was tired - and died.

It may have been his heart but they don't know why yet (and may never know).

[V8Ian]

My daughter came home earlier tonight from visiting one of her friends whose father died earlier this week.

He'd been out riding his motorbike with a group of BSA riders. After the ride he laid down in the back of a ute, said it was a good ride and that he was tired - and died.

It may have been his heart but they don't know why yet (and may never know).
Sorry to hear that Ron.

[p38arover]

Goes to show that heart problems (if it was that) can be sudden. My experience with hospitals has been that telling them I've had chest pain means immediate attention.

My worst experience about 25 years ago was my first. We called a doctor, he came, examined me, said "I think you are having a heart attack", called an ambulance, and then left. The ambos were surprised he wasn't there when they arrived.

When I made a complaint, he said that I'd refused treatment. What I'd refused was morphine. Yes, my chest pain was bad but not that bad. It ended up being pericarditis.

If we get back to forum diagnosis, let me tell you about my eyes.

About 4 years ago, around 7pm, I noticed a shadow in the right eye. I mentioned it on the Range Rover list. Someone suggested a detached retina and that I should get it checked.

So, as the local doctors were all closed, I went to OPSM here in Penrith and told them of it and asked if it could be a detached retina. They looked and saw nothing wrong.

I came home and posted the results. I was immediately told to get to hospital to get it checked. So I did. I went to Nepean Hospital who said they couldn't do anything so they sent me to Westmead.

My eye was operated on the next morning to fix a detachment. If I'd left it much longer I'd be blind in the right eye (as was a chap I met at Sydney Eye Hospital last year. He was overseas when it happened and didn't get it looked at until he came home. Too late.)

Last year when I noticed a shadow in the left eye, I went straight to Sydney Eye Hospital (as Westmead told me to do). I was operated on the next day. It would have been that night except that they had an emergency eye operation to do.

I needed several more eye operations after that.

So, the moral of the story is, don't muck around, go straight to hospital.

[Hoges]

Have watched this post with interest... Ron is absolutely correct... get H.E.L.P.
If your heart rate is all over the place there's a condition called atrialfibrillation... (Google "A-fibbers" ) can strike anyone anywhere anytime. The heart rate gets out of synch and starts to fire off before it's fully primed...bit like a misfiring engine. Means that the "pump" isn't working efficiently and so some blood hangs around in the cavitiy of the heart.. the worry is that it can clot...

don't feel silly or self conscious about putting your hand up for help. If it happens again get to a hospital ASAP so they can get "real time" readings...
17 yr olds are special people ...we need you to to hang around a lot longer :BigThumb::cool:

[CraigE]

I would be a little carefull about putting names to things and diagnosing like this (atrialfibrilation and its ongoing repercussions, with c;otting being unlikely, but pooling possible and I dont want to get into that as it is not called for here) as it is near impossible to diagnose without an ECG 12 lead. Yes it is possible, but placing these seeds of thought in someones head can cause dramas in itself.
The reality is it could be a dozen different things, maybe cardiac related, but just as likely not. The only response that should be given here is that a consultation with a doctor and at minimum an ECG undertaken asap.
I now you are trying to help, as we all are but a msidiagnoses could be worse. I could list a dozen things here it could be but wont due to the fact I have not seen this person physically.

[DeanoH]

I reckon this thread has got a little silly.....



I think this thread has totally lost the plot.




don't feel silly or self conscious about putting your hand up for help.............17 yr olds are special people ...we need you to to hang around a lot longer :BigThumb::cool:

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As Blknight.aus said to me the other day when I asked a seemingly silly question....................."The only dumb question is the one you don't ask". And he's exactly right.

Schmierer at Singleton has a problem and asked a question. Sure, with the benefit of experience he may have gone about things in a different way. But he's 17 years old for heavens sake, give him a go. I dunno about the rest of us but I've got 40 years on the lad and I'm learning things every day.

You can't put an old head on young shoulders. And its silly to try and do so.

BTW am I the only respondent who's wished him well ?

The sooner this thread dies a natural death the better.


Deano

[Hoges]

Quote "I would be a little carefull about putting names to things and diagnosing like this..."
Craig E : Mr Moderator... you are exactly correct... I stand corrected :blush:

[V8Ian]

I think this thread has totally lost the plot.



X2

As Blknight.aus said to me the other day when I asked a seemingly silly question....................."The only dumb question is the one you don't ask". And he's exactly right.

Schmierer at Singleton has a problem and asked a question. Sure, with the benefit of experience he may have gone about things in a different way. But he's 17 years old for heavens sake, give him a go. I dunno about the rest of us but I've got 40 years on the lad and I'm learning things every day.

You can't put an old head on young shoulders. And its silly to try and do so.

BTW am I the only respondent who's wished him well ?

The sooner this thread dies a natural death the better.


Deano
I tend to agree about it getting a bit silly. We seem to have polarized ourselves, yet each of us has the same end in mind. Each and every one of us have advised to the same end, we have done it in various and differing ways though. As individuals we can think and say the same thing in different ways. Some have misconstrewed my views, I accept some responsability for that, it can be hard to completely comprehend a virtual stranger's views, on a subjective and complex subject, in a few short sentences.
The reason for asuming the approach that I did was an endevour to highlight the seriousness and urgency of the situation.
I also believe each poster has wished the young fellow well, some directly, others indirectly merely by caring enough to respond. Just to ensure no further misunderstanding, I would like to wish my young friend well now.
If nothing else this debate may make people seek medical help sooner, rather than later; if that only saves one life the debate would have been worth it. Maybe the thread can do more good alive than dead.
If I have offended or upset any one please accept my sincerest apologies, that was never my intent.
Ian

[UncleHo]

G'day Schmierer LR at Singleton :)

How are you going, I commend you for asking your question :) it was not a silly question, and I, like many others will advise you to see a GOOD doctor, I, like others have several decades on you, I also have a Quadruple Bypass (from 40 years of smoking) :( I have been in the unenviable position of having one of my office staff die of a heart attack at his desk, he was 21,no history of heart problems, nor any of his family.

But, in a twist of irony, this morning my wife came in from the backyard dog kennels complaining of chest pain/muscle tightness across the chest, I told he to ring the ambulance, she is, tonight resting comfortably in Caboolture Hospital after a minor heart attack :o they are keeping her in and running a series of tests, hopefully all will be OK. so, if it comes to chest pain particularly while at rest, don't hesitate seek medical help.


cheers

[dullbird]

Uncle ho please give my best wishes to your wife........

[CraigE]

Actually Craig it's VERY likely and why anyone with AF is normally immediately put on anticoagulants. It is not a good idea cardioverting a heart that has blood pooling & clotting in it.

It is however not all that likely that our young friend has AF...it is a condition more common in older people at a rate of something like 15% of the population over 80yrs old.

I do agree though that it is not possible to diagnose with few facts. Neither do i think that talking about this stuff is scaremongering. It's life...it can happen to any of us...it doesn't hurt to know about it. Knowing helps you ask the right questions of the right people if and when the time comes ;)
Yep, pretty much what I was getting at "Not likely in his age group", not to say it should be disregarded either as stranger things have happened. Normally more a nursing home thing and not something I have seen often. From his description we could list many things it could be some minor and some serious, but I think listing or refering to one possible cause is highly problematic for many reasons. I dont believe it is scaremongering at all and I dont believe that was the intent of any of the posters, but it can also give the person the wrong impression or cause undue duress.
But at the end of the day if it gets someone to a doctor to get it checked it is all worth while.
:D:D
Hope the young fella is allright and all goes well.
:thumbsup:

[CraigE]

G'day Schmierer LR at Singleton :)

How are you going, I commend you for asking your question :) it was not a silly question, and I, like many others will advise you to see a GOOD doctor, I, like others have several decades on you, I also have a Quadruple Bypass (from 40 years of smoking) :( I have been in the unenviable position of having one of my office staff die of a heart attack at his desk, he was 21,no history of heart problems, nor any of his family.

But, in a twist of irony, this morning my wife came in from the backyard dog kennels complaining of chest pain/muscle tightness across the chest, I told he to ring the ambulance, she is, tonight resting comfortably in Caboolture Hospital after a minor heart attack :o they are keeping her in and running a series of tests, hopefully all will be OK. so, if it comes to chest pain particularly while at rest, don't hesitate seek medical help.


cheers
UncleHo,
Geez thats not good, but at least you got medical help asap. Hope all goes well for your wife.
CraigE
:(

[CraigE]

Quote "I would be a little carefull about putting names to things and diagnosing like this..."
Craig E : Mr Moderator... you are exactly correct... I stand corrected :blush:
As per all of us, you are just trying to help out and steer the young fella in the right direction. He asked the question and we all answered to the best of our ability and that is always good.
:):thumbsup:

[Grumbles]

I've always viewed the question and answer and answer part of any forum discussion from two points of view. One is that the question asker will receive information of varying accuracy and quality but having said that most information volunteered is usually on the money and helpful.

The other point of view is that the question answerer is often answering the same question to a lot of readers who for one reason or another would never post a similar question themselves.

So the way I am reading this thread is that there may be many silent viewers in an age group which makes them more vulnerable to a cardiac problem. It may well be that the information they have read here may prompt them to act if they ever get chest pain rather than shrugging it off as indigestion and then dying later on at home or in the garage.

So perhaps it might pay to think of those folk who have just learnt a great deal on what to do with chest pain, how to deal with it and also got some ideas on how to monitor the treatment/diagnostic given by their medical provider about their case.

Have we just potentially saved someone elses life - Very probably!

[p38arover]

But, in a twist of irony, this morning my wife came in from the backyard dog kennels complaining of chest pain/muscle tightness across the chest, I told he to ring the ambulance, she is, tonight resting comfortably in Caboolture Hospital after a minor heart attack :o

I hope all goes well. My best wishes to her.

[Chucaro]

G'day Schmierer LR at Singleton :)
But, in a twist of irony, this morning my wife came in from the backyard dog kennels complaining of chest pain/muscle tightness across the chest, I told he to ring the ambulance, she is, tonight resting comfortably in Caboolture Hospital after a minor heart attack :o they are keeping her in and running a series of tests, hopefully all will be OK. so, if it comes to chest pain particularly while at rest, don't hesitate seek medical help.


cheers

my best wishes and I sincerely hope that you wife will get better very soon.
Keep us informed, we are thinking on both of you

[numpty]

Regards to Sue, Uncle, and hope everything turns out alright.

[Landy Smurf]

my mum rang up the doctors to ask about my x-ray and they said everything is normal(don't know exactly what they were looking for).they said if i get another chest pain to go back,if i do i will make sure i see a different doctor.
thanks everyone for your support and stories

[CraigE]

Craig...being in the job you are maybe not something you have seen often...but being in the job I am in, something I am seeing all the time. The majority of people with AF (and any heart disease) I see are older, but likewise we get a number every year that are younger...and I am talking in their 30's

Youngest heart attack I have nursed is 18yrs old!! And recently had a 24yr old who initially was diagnosed with gastritis...funny that no-one thought to do an ECG!! Heart disease is fast becoming an illness of the young, although it always has been there anyway.

A study was done during the Vietnam war years where post mortems on the young soldiers killed (and we are talking late teens, early twenties) showed that most of them already had plaque buildup in their coronary arteries :(. So....being young does not mean you shouldn't worry.
NM,
Absolutely agree. Youngest I have dealt with was 29 and that is too young, fotuanatelly it was only a mild heart attack, but yes it seems to be getting younger and younger. I had a friend die last year, just turned 40, very fit had been at the gym, got home and had a shower, his wife found him 20 mins later dead from a massive heart attack. Also know of a 14yo that had a massive heart attack while in hospital for something else minor and died. Very sad.
Living in Esperance we have a high number of elderly retirees and more common than I would like see, people who from arythmia have the onset of Pulmonary Oedema, not nice, but very obvious at times.
As a precaution we would whack anyone with any suspect symptoms on the 12 lead ECG and fax the results to a doctor for review, though often will see irregularities first hand. I miss being in this line of work, will have to continue looking, but for now keep shunting rail locos and wagons.
As has been emphasised here by you, me and many others any chest pain at any age should be taken seriously and seen to by a doctor asap.

[CraigE]

my mum rang up the doctors to ask about my x-ray and they said everything is normal(don't know exactly what they were looking for).they said if i get another chest pain to go back,if i do i will make sure i see a different doctor.
thanks everyone for your support and stories
I personally would be requesting an ECG or at least asking why one was not done. Not knowing what the doctor saw and was looking for it is very difficult to make a judgement on his call.