Concerns over length of brake lines

[dullbird]

Hi Guys

I had some braided brake lines made up having them done for all four I asked the question on here about what length...I was thinking only having them extended by 1" but being as though one person suggested 2" lift so would make sense for 2" extention and others all seem to also be getting 2" extension I got the 2 done

I have to say I have great concerns about the length now fitted as they look so dam vulnerable!! the really look like pretty much anything can snag them now off road....what are the thoughts of others? should I pay the money to have them shortened (most annoying waisting money like that) or do people think they will be ok?
Last thing I want to do is rip a line off while out in the bush:(

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[buzz66]

Looks fine to me :D
I'm about to fit 4 inch longer lines with only a 2 inch coil lift.

[dullbird]

Looks fine to me :D
I'm about to fit 4 inch longer lines with only a 2 inch coil lift.



wow and your not concerned about catching:eek:

I guess my suspension is squashed up a little there to get the tyre off...I don't know I just thought it looked long:(....I guess if there are a number of people out there with 2" extensions that haven't had problems then I guess they maybe ok....I suppose I can carry my old lines in the event of damage

[bob h]

Hi Dullbird, If your really worried about the possible snagging of the brake lines, then get some soft springs an bolt one end to the chassis and the other to the brake line to hold it up out of the way. Then when you need the extra extension the light spring will extend and allow the brake lines to extend also. The springs [ like the old type accelator return springs] should be available from Repco etc. May need to join 2 springs to get the length. A cheap and effective way to overcome the problem and give peace of mind when you are off road. Bob

[justinc]

Hi Dullbird, If your really worried about the possible snagging of the brake lines, then get some soft springs an bolt one end to the chassis and the other to the brake line to hold it up out of the way. Then when you need the extra extension the light spring will extend and allow the brake lines to extend also. The springs [ like the old type accelator return springs] should be available from Repco etc. May need to join 2 springs to get the length. A cheap and effective way to overcome the problem and give peace of mind when you are off road. Bob

Agree, done this before on a D1, works well DB.:)

JC

[p38arover]

How much slack is there at full suspension droop?

[Grimace]

I have 4" extended lines and they have almost no slack at full droop, they dont look to catchy to me.

You should always keep your original spares just incase ;)

[dullbird]

How much slack is there at full suspension drop?

I dont know Ron but i'm guessing enough if the other lines put up with it...the other lines being 2" shorter

[Bush65]

Similar point (I think) to Ron's question - you have a small lift (which increases bump travel), but do you have longer shockies that allow the axle to droop further than stock (often longer shockies require raised mounts or lowered bump stops)?

[350RRC]

How much slack is there at full suspension droop?

That's why you extend them by at least the lift. Of course the stroke length of the shocks comes into play. Both compression and extension, with a solid axle, you seem to have half figured this out with comments accompanying the photos.

How is the braking now anyway?

cheers, DL

[Scouse]

While you're there, give the tie rod ends a grease. It looks like they haven't been near a grease gun for a while :(.

[rick130]

Similar point (I think) to Ron's question - you have a small lift (which increases bump travel), but do you have longer shockies that allow the axle to droop further than stock (often longer shockies require raised mounts or lowered bump stops)?

Yep, if you've just lifted without increasing overall travel/droop, you wont need longer lines. If you've increased droop, obviously you need commensurately longer hoses too.

[Slunnie]

That's why you extend them by at least the lift. Of course the stroke length of the shocks comes into play. Both compression and extension, with a solid axle, you seem to have half figured this out with comments accompanying the photos.

How is the braking now anyway?

cheers, DL
The amount of lift isn't relevant to resizing brake lines. You need to check how much extra drop travel it generates, and that will be close to the difference in shock length from standard.

The vast majority of 2" lifts dont require extended brake lines at all. My 4" lift required 3" extended brake lines because the shocks were only 3" longer than standard. If you setup long and soft, then you may require 4" extended brake lines on a 2" lift.

Extended brake lines relate to shock lengths, not static ride heights.

[dullbird]

i just want to clear something up here......I have a 2" lift and have been running the normal brake lines with no problem.

the braided lines were fitted to improve braking!! so why the 2" extension I hear you ask?....because the lift will change my shocks will change and doesn't mean it will stay the same, so I took the precautionary measure of getting the extension in the previso that my set up may well change in the near future therefore didn't want to have to pay for two sets of lines....as I believe there is one thing (or so i'm told) you can't do to braided lines is stretch them...so I asked the question in the tech section as to how long to extend as I was only going to go an inch but the majority seemed to be 2

So I went two.

i dont have modded mounts or anything but I can droop enough un modded that the spring will happily come out of the spring mount I have nearly lost a spring twice because of this and hence why I have relocation cones to re seat the springs now I was going to buy retainers for the top but this option was cheaper.

and yes I tried the hose clamps on the springs I snapped them

[dullbird]

While you're there, give the tie rod ends a grease. It looks like they haven't been near a grease gun for a while :(.

now you mention it they probably haven't been done for a very long time....I never personally realised they had a grease nipple never looked that close:o.

I always ask for my props to be greased along with bearings that now appear to be oil feed:o:eek::D....dont ask!

but have never asked for them to be done so probably have NEVER been done.....

Thank you for the prompt:)...will get him to do it tomorrow:D

[Rudolf]

The vast majority of 2" lifts dont require extended brake lines at all. My 4" lift required 3" extended brake lines because the shocks were only 3" longer than standard. If you setup long and soft, then you may require 4" extended brake lines on a 2" lift.
Extended brake lines relate to shock lengths, not static ride heights.

I have the Ironman 2" lift and the brake line are tight when fully dropped.
I even wonder if they are not holding the axle from dropping even further.
This thread convinced me to get longer pipes.

[dullbird]

That's why you extend them by at least the lift. Of course the stroke length of the shocks comes into play. Both compression and extension, with a solid axle, you seem to have half figured this out with comments accompanying the photos.

How is the braking now anyway?

cheers, DL

yeah braking seems to be heaps better..........did anyone find that once fitted with braided lines the noise of the actual braking changed?

[rick130]

yeah braking seems to be heaps better..........did anyone find that once fitted with braided lines the noise of the actual braking changed?

Isn't that just the change in pitch from the screams of the passenger/s ? :p

[dullbird]

Isn't that just the change in pitch from the screams of the passenger/s ? :p

or there gasps from the sudden g force that has been put on them:D

NOT there better but not that much better:D

[p38arover]

i just want to clear something up here......I have a 2" lift and have been running the normal brake lines with no problem.

the braided lines were fitted to improve braking!!

You used the wrong lines. You needed these: Cross Drilled Brake Lines - $69.95 : KaleCoAuto, Hard to find automotive items! (http://kalecoauto.com/index.php'main_page=product_info&products_id=1)

[dullbird]

You used the wrong lines. You needed these: Cross Drilled Brake Lines - $69.95 : KaleCoAuto, Hard to find automotive items! (http://kalecoauto.com/index.php'main_page=product_info&products_id=1)

Latex:confused:...latex has elasticity in it. what your trying and take away from the lines to help improve braking as far as I'm aware. the steel braided lines prevent bulging in the lines.....

The other important thing is Ron is whether thos lines you show are ADR approve I couldn't of had them signed off by my engineer otherwise.


EDIT: Ok RON I JUST REALISED WHEN I WENT BACK FOR ANOTHER LOOK THAT THAT SITE IS NOT SERIOUS...LMFAO. ONLY SPOTTED IT WHEN I LOOKED UP THE BLINKER FLUID:D...Hooked and hauled in :lol2:

[Gullible]

Did you check the lines under full flex during Wednesdays trip?

That would have told you if they were too long or just right.

[dullbird]

Did you check the lines under full flex during Wednesdays trip?

That would have told you if they were too long or just right.

no I didn't....I imagine they would of been long enough more concerned about snagging on the front ones