air bag housing extension?

[PaulP38a]

Popped off the LH inner wheel arch on the weekend. Rave says to take the wheel off first, but I didn't - pic below show why :cool:
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

this gave me a good view of the air bag top housing. Are these spacers normal, or is this my front lift? I've never been too sure whether my front lift is achieved through these or adjusting the EAS setting.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

Cheers, Paul.

[karlz]

Popped off the LH inner wheel arch on the weekend. Rave says to take the wheel off first, but I didn't - pic below show why :cool:
http://paulp38a.com/gallery/d/1827-1/RR-Guard_002.jpg

this gave me a good view of the air bag top housing. Are these spacers normal, or is this my front lift? I've never been too sure whether my front lift is achieved through these or adjusting the EAS setting.
http://paulp38a.com/gallery/d/1831-1/RR-Guard_004.jpg

Cheers, Paul.

Looks a bit weird to me.
But you have arrnots gen3 dont you?
Doesnt look like gen2 or original.

But, interesting way to perhaps change your bags this way? (please no jokes about my mum)

[PaulP38a]

Looks a bit weird to me.
But you have arrnots gen3 dont you?
Doesnt look like gen2 or original.

But, interesting way to perhaps change your bags this way? (please no jokes about my mum)

yep Gen 3's I do believe. There are a lot of random pics of my bump stops and bags over at http://paulp38a.com/gallery/v/99RR/BStops/ if you care.

change the bags this way? don't quite follow... it is only the bags holding the car at that height in the pic. Perhaps raising the car to that height or a bit more, chocking under the bumps, then defalting the EAS and removing the bags?

As for the spacers, I haven't looked at a "normal" P38A in a long time so I don't know if they look right either.

[M.Allison]

Popped off the LH inner wheel arch on the weekend. Rave says to take the wheel off first, but I didn't - pic below show why :cool:


this gave me a good view of the air bag top housing. Are these spacers normal, or is this my front lift? I've never been too sure whether my front lift is achieved through these or adjusting the EAS setting.


Cheers, Paul.

Hey,

Those spacers arnt normal....when i took my bags out they were cliped directly to the top of the housing.

http://photos-a.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs128.snc1/5491_142684475409_700750409_3328824_5007979_n.jpg

Mind you i had a stock system. but i dont think arnott gen three came with a spacer?

Mike

[PaulP38a]

Hey,

Those spacers arnt normal....when i took my bags out they were cliped directly to the top of the housing.

Mind you i had a stock system. but i dont think arnott gen three came with a spacer?

Mike

ah cool, that explains it then. eb220 was over on the weekend and reckoned they were the lift bits too. Mystery solved :cool:

And no, Gen III's don't come with spacers. These spacers were part of the HRA lift kit... or at least the prototype of it. This car belonged to the original owner of HRA and was his test bed for HRA product development, so the bits I have on mine might be similar to HRA products but are not necessarily the same... if that makes sense.

Cheers, Paul.

[M.Allison]

ah cool, that explains it then. eb220 was over on the weekend and reckoned they were the lift bits too. Mystery solved :cool:

And no, Gen III's don't come with spacers. These spacers were part of the HRA lift kit... or at least the prototype of it. This car belonged to the original owner of HRA and was his test bed for HRA product development, so the bits I have on mine might be similar to HRA products but are not necessarily the same... if that makes sense.

Cheers, Paul.


So how does that work with the lift then? does that mean you have more then 2" lift? because are the gen 3 bags longer then normal?

Btw thats pretty cool that you have an ex test car! if only mine was that then i wouldnt have to spend so much money :D


Mike

[DT-P38]

I am just wondering if I have the right idea of what is happening with my 95 p38 suspendersions. It feels like it bumps quite sharply on little obstacles like supermarket speed humps and small corrugations and potholes. Have heard these things should waft along and smooth out stuff like that.

I had the bags done about 2 1/2 years ago and am guessing that this type of ride is due to shocks now being shot. Would that sharp reaction be a result of no (or severly reduced) shock absorption? Also, Given bags are good but I may need to replace the shocks, what can I do to get a bit more height out of my "pretty pig" whilst fixing the shocks? Like ah, can I buy extended shocks and bag spacers without spending a whole heap more than what standard replacement shocks would cost? In saying this, I have been happy to date with my 33" offroad wheels/tyres adding lift, but figure if I'm spending I may as well get the whole thing an extra 30mm or so away from damage... Suppose it goes without saying that I dont want to end up with other issues though.

Any suggestions-thoughts?

[PaulP38a]

So how does that work with the lift then? does that mean you have more then 2" lift? because are the gen 3 bags longer then normal?

Sort of I guess... 2" lift due to spacers front and rear, and approx extra 3" of travel due to Gen III's. When using 33" tyres, and extra 2" of lift.

I also have disconnecting front swaybars that help to use the extra travel and give flex.

End result is that I can adjust height up a bit further using EAS if I want. Trade-off is bouncier ride at high height and less travel before maxing out.

At low/highway height it is still taller than a "normal" P38A so I do suffer a little in terms of handling at highway speeds, however the combo of Bilstein shocks and Gen III's (stiffer at low heights) should compensate a fair bit.



Btw thats pretty cool that you have an ex test car! if only mine was that then i wouldnt have to spend so much money :D

Yes you would, it is still a Range Rover. I can honestly say that I haven't saved any money by buying this car... I'm probably spending more because I'm not afraid to tinker with it. My last P38A looked pretty even though it was great off-road (some pics here 1995 Range Rover P38A HSE (http://paulp38a.com/gallery/v/95RR/)), but this one is just ugly in comparison, so I have few reservations about doing "interesting stuff" to it.. I know it is not going to ruin the look of it :D
Cheers, Paul.

[PaulP38a]

I am just wondering if I have the right idea of what is happening with my 95 p38 suspendersions. It feels like it bumps quite sharply on little obstacles like supermarket speed humps and small corrugations and potholes. Have heard these things should waft along and smooth out stuff like that.

I had the bags done about 2 1/2 years ago and am guessing that this type of ride is due to shocks now being shot. Would that sharp reaction be a result of no (or severly reduced) shock absorption? Also, Given bags are good but I may need to replace the shocks, what can I do to get a bit more height out of my "pretty pig" whilst fixing the shocks? Like ah, can I buy extended shocks and bag spacers without spending a whole heap more than what standard replacement shocks would cost? In saying this, I have been happy to date with my 33" offroad wheels/tyres adding lift, but figure if I'm spending I may as well get the whole thing an extra 30mm or so away from damage... Suppose it goes without saying that I dont want to end up with other issues though.

Any suggestions-thoughts?

My understanding is that sharpness and jarring is usually caused by the initial dampening of the shocks being too tight rather than worn. I've been told that a good shock setup is for the initial dampening to be soft and then firming up rapidly, giving smoothness over small bumps and then tightening up around bends etc...

Other thing to check is the bump stops. Mine has improved a lot since I shortened the extended bump stops.

If you are running 33"s then you must already have some decent lift unless you've cut the guards. Even with the 2" llift on mine, I still get rubbing on low and standard EAS heights. Are you running Gen II or Gen III's?

There are some random pics of the EAS and lift setup of mine at Bump Stops and EAS (http://paulp38a.com/gallery/v/99RR/BStops/) but I haven't narrated it yet.

There are a couple of issues that I'm still wanting to address with the extra lift:
1. castor angle of the steering due to twisting of the diff. Fix = spacers or lowering of front raduis arms?
2. vibration in front propshaft. Fix = double cardan joint?

Cheers, Paul.

[DeanoH]

I am just wondering if I have the right idea of what is happening with my 95 p38 suspendersions. It feels like it bumps quite sharply on little obstacles like supermarket speed humps and small corrugations and potholes. Have heard these things should waft along and smooth out stuff like that.

Any suggestions-thoughts?

I find the same with mine. Don't think its the shockers though as it did it with the old factory shocks before the Bilsteins went in. Got to have another play with the suspension anyway as I've got new airbags (Airbagman) coming. I thought it might be due to panhard rubbers or rubbers in whatever stops lateral movement. Havn't had a look yet.

Deano

[tasi devil]

DT-P38 &

I find the same with mine. Don't think its the shockers though as it did it with the old factory shocks before the Bilsteins went in. Got to have another play with the suspension anyway as I've got new airbags (Airbagman) coming. I thought it might be due to panhard rubbers or rubbers in whatever stops lateral movement. Havn't had a look yet.

Deano
as simple as it sounds, have a look at how much travel you have at the top of the shock (particularly the front) at standard and highway settings.
you may just need to recalibrate the settings up a bit

............tasi

[DT-P38]

Other thing to check is the bump stops. Mine has improved a lot since I shortened the extended bump stops.

Thanks Paul, Will have a look... I was of the understanding these only came into play when shock bottoms out (or susp is on crawl/no bags).
If you are running 33"s then you must already have some decent lift unless you've cut the guards. Even with the 2" llift on mine, I still get rubbing on low and standard EAS heights. Are you running Gen II or Gen III's?

No idea about what bags they are, I had them replaced before I started looking and trying to learn more about P38's. They are probably factory items as the guy who did it worked for Landrover at the time... is there an easy way to tell?

Havent cut guards, and they do rub a little if I'm bouncing it round in normal and highway... I even get a little rub on Off road when pushing it often just going too fast on moderate humps (like those track wash out potection channels they put all through the Alpine National Park!).

There are some random pics of the EAS and lift setup of mine at Bump Stops and EAS (http://paulp38a.com/gallery/v/99RR/BStops/) but I haven't narrated it yet.

There are a couple of issues that I'm still wanting to address with the extra lift:
1. castor angle of the steering due to twisting of the diff. Fix = spacers or lowering of front raduis arms?
2. vibration in front propshaft. Fix = double cardan joint?

Are these issues a result of spacers? I would love to bang them in if they are relatively easy and dont have major impacts to the performance of the vehicle. Which poses another question, how hard is this stuff to fiddle with? I put a 2" lift on the Mrs' 100 series Landcruiser about a month ago (never done anything like it before) and would be game to tackle the "pretty pig" if it wasn't much harder than that.
Cheers, Paul.[/QUOTE]

[DT-P38]

Apologies Paul, that made a mess of he quoting... I will have to get lessons on using this technology one day! :blush::spudnikbeanie:

[PaulP38a]

Apologies Paul, that made a mess of he quoting... I will have to get lessons on using this technology one day! :blush::spudnikbeanie:
easy enough to do Dave... here's a couple of tips
quotes start with
[ quote=<name>;<Message ID>] (no space between [ and quote)
and end with
[/quote]

To multi-quote from the same message, just copy the [ quote=<name>;<Message ID>] and put it before the first word you want to quote, and put [/quote] after the last word... think of it like quotation marks... which they are in a techo sort of way.

you can quote from multiple messages too. Just open the second message in a new window, reply, copy/paste the text in to your original reply... I'm doing it now :D


Thanks Paul, Will have a look... I was of the understanding these only came into play when shock bottoms out (or susp is on crawl/no bags).
Mine was bottoming out on the bumps on highway and normal mode because I had extended bump stops and my ride height was set too low. I cut the bump stops down a bit, recalibrated the height settings and problem fixed. Should not be a problem with normal bump stops unless you have recalibrated your ride heights down.


No idea about what bags they are, I had them replaced before I started looking and trying to learn more about P38's. They are probably factory items as the guy who did it worked for Landrover at the time... is there an easy way to tell?
there may be a label on them somewhere. If they are Arnott's they will look similar like this (but perhaps cleaner than mine ;))
http://paulp38a.com/gallery/d/1878-1/090905-Gen3-02.jpg



Havent cut guards, and they do rub a little if I'm bouncing it round in normal and highway... I even get a little rub on Off road when pushing it often just going too fast on moderate humps (like those track wash out potection channels they put all through the Alpine National Park!).

Got me beat... that's what I used to get with 31"s on my old P38A and no change to EAS settings... 33"s wouldn't fit until I got the "new" P38A with the spacer lift.



Are these issues a result of spacers? I would love to bang them in if they are relatively easy and dont have major impacts to the performance of the vehicle. Which poses another question, how hard is this stuff to fiddle with? I put a 2" lift on the Mrs' 100 series Landcruiser about a month ago (never done anything like it before) and would be game to tackle the "pretty pig" if it wasn't much harder than that.

I think I read over at RangeRovers.NET that you can do about a 1" EAS-only lift with no other mods. Just use EASunlock and a tape measure.

To do the 2" lift like mine, you'll need longer shocks and air bags if you have stock units now, plus the spacers themselves. Don't think you need to lengthen brake lines or breathers for a 2" lift.

Cheers, Paul.

[DT-P38]

Paul,

TEST QUOTE!
[ quote=<name>;<Message ID>]easy enough to do Dave... here's a couple of tips [/quote]

I reckon I must be on the 31" tyres you mention and will double check next time I am downstairs near the off road tyre piles. They look so very close in size to the Mrs Landcruisers' 33" mudzillas. Will let you know...

As far as spacers are concerned, I reckon I'll give that a miss... I am taking it to my new friendly "non-dealer" garage to have the HEVAC fixed next wednesday, might ask them if they can reset the heights with EAS unlock, surely they would be edumacated in this stuff?!?

The bags look like yours, but don't have arnott written on them anywhere I can see, and I am gonna get the new friendly "non-dealer" garage guys to check out the sshocks for me whilst in there... assuming they need replacing, would you suggest "having a go" given I was game enough (and successful) on that LC100?

Whatchaa fink?

[PaulP38a]

I reckon I must be on the 31" tyres you mention and will double check next time I am downstairs near the off road tyre piles. They look so very close in size to the Mrs Landcruisers' 33" mudzillas. Will let you know...

Size doesn't matter as long as you are happy with the performance... at least that is what I tell my wife :o
If you want to check, what is the diameter of the tyres? 33"s should be about 1006mm and 31"s about 945mm

I find it amusing that your Mrs drives a 'cruiser... mine drives a Freelander and reckons the Rangie is too big for her and her Boxer (dog) :D



As far as spacers are concerned, I reckon I'll give that a miss... I am taking it to my new friendly "non-dealer" garage to have the HEVAC fixed next wednesday, might ask them if they can reset the heights with EAS unlock, surely they would be edumacated in this stuff?!?

Maybe, but don't count on it unless they are fans of P38A's. Easy enough to do yourself with a laptop and the right cable. For the grand price of a couple of bottles of half-decent red I'll supply and make up the cable for you myself ;), or better still buy one from Storey Wilson at Land Rover Reset Tools - EASunlock (http://www.rswsolutions.com/index_easunlock.htm)



The bags look like yours, but don't have arnott written on them anywhere I can see, and I am gonna get the new friendly "non-dealer" garage guys to check out the sshocks for me whilst in there... assuming they need replacing, would you suggest "having a go" given I was game enough (and successful) on that LC100?
Whatchaa fink?
You seem like a bloke who enjoys a challenge, so I'd say go for it but keep the original bits in case you change your mind. I've still got the original shocks and bags for mine but haven't had the desire to go back to stock. I'm still enjoying the "journey" of getting mine sorted with the lift and aftermarket bits.
Cheers, Paul.

[DT-P38]

Well yeah, they are definetley 31 than 33". I had a look under the house tonight and found they are actually 265-75-16.

Mrs 100 series was recently purchased for the 8 seats as family (and visiting friends/relo's) neccesitated it. I have been slowly sorting it for family touring and camping (read 4wding) duties, but funnily enough the lady still likes to drive it as for all the size externally they are a bit like a reverse tardis. Inside they just feel like a standard sedan (falcon/commodore or similar) and they also drive and handle like a much smaller vehicle. It may also be that she has warmed up on the P38 as we have had that about 5 years now...

Will have a look at the Storey stuff soon, as never even got to the subject with the workshop dudes.

Thanks for all the advice, and yes it does seem like a "journey" with these machines... but I'm sure the legal system used to call this sort of experience "trial by ordeal"... well that sounds much more in tune with "the journey" my "pretty pig" has taken me on anyway!!! ;) :D :p