Anyone like Vintage cars?

[GuyG]

Saw this while looking through car sales tonight:cool:

1926 BENTLEY 3.0L WO Cars For Sale in QLD - carsales.com.au - carsales.com.au (http://www.carsales.com.au/all-cars/dealer/details.aspx?R=7282379&__Qpb=true&Cr=0&__Ns=pCar_RankSort_Int32%7c1%7c%7cpCar_Price_Decim al%7c1%7c%7cpCar_Make_String%7c0%7c%7cpCar_Model_S tring%7c0&keywords=&__N=1216%201247%201282%204294967085&silo=1011&__No=45&seot=1&tsrc=allcarhome&__Nne=15&trecs=53&__sid=121A2B64966E)

[Armadillo]

Sweet :)

[JohnR]

Way cool, Is that one Neville did up?

[jerryd]

I love Vintage Bentleys :), check out this guy - Bob Petersen Engineering (http://www.bobpetersenengineering.co.uk) he is pure genius. One of his specials would cost about $350k to get into oz, and that's with the blower ;)

I met him a few years ago at a Bentley Show in the uk, he took me for a little test drive in the showgrounds........:eek:

My ambition when I sell this house and downsize is to bring one into oz and maybe hire it out for special occasions ......... blast from the past. com has a certain ring to it :angel:

[GuyG]

Way cool, Is that one Neville did up?

Don't believe so. I have seen this car and its pretty sweet.

Its apparently in the Bentley Showroom in Brisbane, which if people want to have a look its located in the valley near the Alfa/Audi sales rooms.

Wonder if they'll be taking it to the All British Day in Brisbane in a couple of weeks.

[Bigbjorn]

I wonder if it is David Barnett's? I thought his was a 1923, but could be wrong. David says his is the newest vintage Bentley in the world, done less than 30,000 miles.

[awabbit6]

And for anyone who wants a little project ...
1931 Cadillac V12 Sport Phaeton - eBay Pre-1940, Collector Cars, Cars, Cars, Bikes, Boats. (end time 06-Sep-09 21:22:14 AEST) (http://cgi.ebay.com.au/1931-Cadillac-V12-Sport-Phaeton_W0QQitemZ180395093590QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAU _Cars?hash=item2a0062ae56&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14)

[Bigbjorn]

The Bentley is not David's. it has been for sale for a couple of years. Provenance is poor. It is not a restored original car but a bitzer, bits from here, bits from this car, bits from that car, bits from there. Chassis came from New Zealand. I think that Cadillac was one of several classic Cadillacs at Guy Menzies place at Capalaba that Guy was restoring for owners. Guy has/had terminal cancer and I have not heard from him for a while. Would have been a hell of a task sorting out the dismantled cars undergoing restoration, spare bits and pieces, etc. I did some machining for him a few years ago.

[scarry]

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ (http://img3.imageshack.us/i/img00042r.jpg/)

Now,guys,i bet some of you would like this......to tinker with...

My father had it for a few years as a work in progress.He eventually sold it & it was sent back to England & has been restored,we still have the engine & chassis no's etc somewhere if i can find them.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ (http://img30.imageshack.us/i/img0001lo.jpg/)

This was also his pride & joy,taken when new,not quite vintage,but still in the family today

[Lost Landy]

What a nice Rolls but what a price tag. I could buy a few very nice collection of restored series 1s,2As & 3s ha ha for that kind of money.

[p38arover]

400 grand is outside my price range! :o

[GuyG]

What a nice Rolls but what a price tag. I could buy a few very nice collection of restored series 1s,2As & 3s ha ha for that kind of money.


um there haven't been any Rolls in this thread

[RobHay]

Anyone like vintage cars Saw this while looking through car sales tonight:cool:

1926 BENTLEY 3.0L WO Cars For Sale in QLD - carsales.com.au - carsales.com.au (http://www.carsales.com.au/all-cars/dealer/details.aspx?R=7282379&__Qpb=true&Cr=0&__Ns=pCar_RankSort_Int32%7c1%7c%7cpCar_Price_Decim al%7c1%7c%7cpCar_Make_String%7c0%7c%7cpCar_Model_S tring%7c0&keywords=&__N=1216%201247%201282%204294967085&silo=1011&__No=45&seot=1&tsrc=allcarhome&__Nne=15&trecs=53&__sid=121A2B64966E)

Does a 1964 Series IIA qualify?

[Bigbjorn]

http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/8039/img00042r.jpg (http://img3.imageshack.us/i/img00042r.jpg/)

Now,guys,i bet some of you would like this......to tinker with...

My father had it for a few years as a work in progress.He eventually sold it & it was sent back to England & has been restored,we still have the engine & chassis no's etc somewhere if i can find them.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ (http://img30.imageshack.us/i/img0001lo.jpg/)

This was also his pride & joy,taken when new,not quite vintage,but still in the family today

Wheels are an interesting modification. Look like '37 Ford or similar. Wonder why? Knock off wires probably needed an expensive rebuild and whatever was handy were fitted. What was it, 3 litre or 4 1/2?

[GuyG]

Does a 1964 Series IIA qualify?

That would depend on who you talk to, I have always been under the impression that Vintage was pre 1930. Then there are lots of other categories, eg, veteran, pre war, post war, classic and modern but I have no idea what years they go against or whether they are static or change as the years progress. Veteran is before vintage though.

[Bigbjorn]

That would depend on who you talk to, I have always been under the impression that Vintage was pre 1930. Then there are lots of other categories, eg, veteran, pre war, post war, classic and modern but I have no idea what years they go against or whether they are static or change as the years progress. Veteran is before vintage though.

Vintage is a vehicle built before 1/1/31. Veteran is one built before 1/1/20.
There is also a classification used by mainly the more toffee nosed traditional vintage sports car clubs, "Post-vintage Thoroughbred", which are makes/models accepted as such by the club concerned, and are almost always pre WWII. The Classic Car Club of America declares the make/model as a classic car for their purposes.

Anything else is just an old car.

The Veteran Car Club of Qld. does not like "old American bangers" which was the phrase used to me by one of their prominent and long serving members.

This is a strange attitude given that some of the Brit and Euro stuff they value highly could not have driven out of sight in a day, two tons of car and a two litre four cylinder engine, and could not have reliably done a day's work on outback service such as mail and passenger services.

The vehicles that survived this work and were highly thought of in the outback were Dodge, Buick, Hudson, Cadillac, Packard, Studebaker, Chrysler, and earlier the Ford T and Overland.

[pop058]

Not technically vintage, but has been in the family for nearly 30 years.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2009/10/42.jpg

Paul

[HPLP]

Hey,

What type of rover is that? Im currently looking at a rover 10/4.

H

[pop058]

Hey,

What type of rover is that? Im currently looking at a rover 10/4.

H


1948 Rover P3 (6 light)

Paul

[GuyG]

Don't believe so. I have seen this car and its pretty sweet.

Its apparently in the Bentley Showroom in Brisbane, which if people want to have a look its located in the valley near the Alfa/Audi sales rooms.

Wonder if they'll be taking it to the All British Day in Brisbane in a couple of weeks.

Its not the car I thought it was and it wasn't at All British Day in Brisbane, well not while I was there anyway.


I wonder if it is David Barnett's? I thought his was a 1923, but could be wrong. David says his is the newest vintage Bentley in the world, done less than 30,000 miles.

We have been told the mileage on the advertised Bentley is original which would then make it newer than David Barnetts


The Bentley is not David's. it has been for sale for a couple of years. Provenance is poor. It is not a restored original car but a bitzer, bits from here, bits from this car, bits from that car, bits from there. Chassis came from New Zealand. I think that Cadillac was one of several classic Cadillacs at Guy Menzies place at Capalaba that Guy was restoring for owners. Guy has/had terminal cancer and I have not heard from him for a while. Would have been a hell of a task sorting out the dismantled cars undergoing restoration, spare bits and pieces, etc. I did some machining for him a few years ago.

Brian, I'm not sure if your saying that David's is a bitsa or the one advertised is, but fyi the one advertised is original and the price tag is apparently accurate

[Bigbjorn]

Its not the car I thought it was and it wasn't at All British Day in Brisbane, well not while I was there anyway.



We have been told the mileage on the advertised Bentley is original which would then make it newer than David Barnetts



Brian, I'm not sure if your saying that David's is a bitsa or the one advertised is, but fyi the one advertised is original and the price tag is apparently accurate

David's is original. He tells me it is a 1925 model and has done 23,000 miles. He bought it from the original owners, pastoralists near Julia Creek. It had been put away in a shed as it proved to be a maintenance liability on the 1920's-1930's roads of NW Qld. I had the information that the one in the Valley is a bitza independently from at least three prominent members of the VCCQ. There appears to be a genuine and widely held belief amongst the small and tight knit vintage sports car owners in Brisbane that this car is a bitza. Are they thinking of the same car? Maybe there is another one about? David would not commit on this but said that any prospective buyer would do well to carefully check provenance. Like Bugattis, there are not many of these about and the owners and specialists seem to know each one individually. The price tag is immaterial. The price is what they can get for it on a given day. Send it to auction and see. Could be more, could be less. Depends who is there and if they are willing buyers. I have seen plenty of either at auctions over the years. I loved the description of a Bugatti in an auction catalogue some years ago, "believed to contain some original parts".

[bobslandies]

David would not commit on this but said that any prospective buyer would do well to carefully check provenance. Like Bugattis, there are not many of these about and the owners and specialists seem to know each one individually. The price tag is immaterial. The price is what they can get for it on a given day. Send it to auction and see. Could be more, could be less. Depends who is there and if they are willing buyers. I have seen plenty of either at auctions over the years. I loved the description of a Bugatti in an auction catalogue some years ago, "believed to contain some original parts".

If you are interested in the most celebrated Bentley case read this:

The Case of the Bentley Old Number One (http://www.gomog.com/articles/no1judgement.html)

Bob

[jerryd]

Interesting reading that article, but I still want one of these :angel:

[Bigbjorn]

If you are interested in the most celebrated Bentley case read this:

The Case of the Bentley Old Number One (http://www.gomog.com/articles/no1judgement.html)

Bob

My stars, that car is worse than the Irish family axe. The only constant thing was the chassis number even if it had three or more chassis over the first few years. Makes a mockery of CAMS stand on historic race cars of "as it was, so it shall be". "OK. scrutineers, which "as it was" am I to restore it to?"

[cjc_td5]

Hi all,
We have this one in storage at the farm. It is a 1929 Hudson Convertable Coupe. The Convertable Coupe is a very rare model, I think there are only a few examples of the 1929 model in existance worldwide. The car was imported new into Aus as a complete vehicle, unlike many cars of that time that were imported as a rolling chassis and had local coachwork built on top. (The above is from net searching I have done. I am more than happy to be corrected if required.)

We are only the second family to own it since new. It was originally owned by a Sydney based gentleman who was one to keep every car he ever owned. When he died he had 7 which were split up between his children. My family was given this one as family friends.

Unfortunately (before we owned it) it was stored at Bondi for several years which is when the rust got in. It was then stored at a timber mill near Lithgow which is where a few of the bits disappeared (spare sheel etc). It would be a shame to see it scrapped. For now it is on blocks in the shed. One day I might have the shed space to pull it apart and rebuild it as a long-term project. It would be a great experience...:)

Cheers,
Chris

[VladTepes]

Some of you will know I am quite partial to obsessive about Aston Martins...

http://www.kentvintageweddingcars.co.uk/attachments/Image/kent_vintage_wedding_car11.jpg
1932 Le Mans Aston Martin


http://rutgerbooy.nl/images/Addams_Aston_600RB.jpg
1933 Aston Martin


https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2009/11/774.jpg
1937 Aston Martin


ANd THIS is a great read - all about CARS & CULTURE

cars and culture (http://rutgerbooy.nl/cars_and_culture_page_1.htm)

[disco2hse]

It would be a shame to see it scrapped.

Good god man, wash your mouth out.

This thread prompted me to see if I could find the 1932 Chev Coupe my parents owned until the mid-70's. After they sold it it ended up in Sydney where the owners 're-upholstered' it with white velure, getting rid of the original blue leatherette. :mad:

Anyway, couldn't find it but here is one that is the spitting image of it, even down to the yellow wire spoke wheels. Except this one is green and theirs was royal blue. Jeeze it was a beautiful car.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2009/11/769.jpg

This engine bay is nowhere near as tidy and clean as theirs.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2009/11/770.jpg https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2009/11/771.jpg

Us kids used to pile in to the dicky seat in the back. :)

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2009/11/772.jpg

And theirs was RHD.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2009/11/773.jpg

Alan

[VladTepes]

cjc I'm sure if you were so inclined you could sell that to an enthusiast for a fair whack of cash- looks fairly complete. Do NOT VERY scrap it.

[Bigbjorn]

Hi all,
We have this one in storage at the farm. It is a 1929 Hudson Convertable Coupe. The Convertable Coupe is a very rare model, I think there are only a few examples of the 1929 model in existance worldwide. The car was imported new into Aus as a complete vehicle, unlike many cars of that time that were imported as a rolling chassis and had local coachwork built on top. (The above is from net searching I have done. I am more than happy to be corrected if required.)

We are only the second family to own it since new. It was originally owned by a Sydney based gentleman who was one to keep every car he ever owned. When he died he had 7 which were split up between his children. My family was given this one as family friends.

Unfortunately (before we owned it) it was stored at Bondi for several years which is when the rust got in. It was then stored at a timber mill near Lithgow which is where a few of the bits disappeared (spare sheel etc). It would be a shame to see it scrapped. For now it is on blocks in the shed. One day I might have the shed space to pull it apart and rebuild it as a long-term project. It would be a great experience...:)

Cheers,
Chris

Dead easy restoration. It is all there and does not appear to have been buggered about. Even the deteriorated bits are useful as you have something to copy. What model is it (not year model) and what engine does it have? Is it the OHV Super 6 with the separate aluminium crankcase, or the unitary cast iron side valve?

[Scouse]

Dead easy restoration. I would be very tempted NOT to restore this car, body wise.
Original old girls like this are very rare. Sure, paint the mudguards & running boards if you want but it looks like the body itself would come up a treat as is :).

[cjc_td5]

Dead easy restoration. It is all there and does not appear to have been buggered about. Even the deteriorated bits are useful as you have something to copy. What model is it (not year model) and what engine does it have? Is it the OHV Super 6 with the separate aluminium crankcase, or the unitary cast iron side valve?

Thank you all for your comments. I have no intention of scrapping it. I was a little disheartened to speak to a member of a Sydney based Hudson etc Club a while ago who said it would be worth no more than $10K fully restored and only $1-2K as is for parts. Though you would never restore it for profit, it seemed a lot of work for little reward. My drive for restoring it one day is the engineer in me who wants to see how it works and the history of the thing.

It has the Super 6 motor I believe. The motor is seized though I don't know why. The clutch and gearbox still work and that is how it is moved around, using the clutch to stop when required. I will get the numbers off the ID plate when I am at the farm again next weekend.

As opposed to Land Rovers, what is difficult is the lack of literature on Hudsons that old. I am sure there is an enthusiast network out there, I just haven't looked hard enough yet.

Cheers,

[loanrangie]

Hi all,
We have this one in storage at the farm. It is a 1929 Hudson Convertable Coupe. The Convertable Coupe is a very rare model, I think there are only a few examples of the 1929 model in existance worldwide. The car was imported new into Aus as a complete vehicle, unlike many cars of that time that were imported as a rolling chassis and had local coachwork built on top. (The above is from net searching I have done. I am more than happy to be corrected if required.)

We are only the second family to own it since new. It was originally owned by a Sydney based gentleman who was one to keep every car he ever owned. When he died he had 7 which were split up between his children. My family was given this one as family friends.

Unfortunately (before we owned it) it was stored at Bondi for several years which is when the rust got in. It was then stored at a timber mill near Lithgow which is where a few of the bits disappeared (spare sheel etc). It would be a shame to see it scrapped. For now it is on blocks in the shed. One day I might have the shed space to pull it apart and rebuild it as a long-term project. It would be a great experience...:)

Cheers,
Chris

Very nice, body looks good for its age. Would be a straight forward starting with a good base like that. My old man has 2 fully restored Dodges and a couple of parts cars. One day when i have space i would like to restore one myself.
http://lh3.ggpht.com/_Z0C5TKV7PX4/Sv1Cv_km9_I/AAAAAAAAAWw/n1kS5xNMdPs/s640/IMG_3814.JPG

[VladTepes]

As opposed to Land Rovers, what is difficult is the lack of literature on Hudsons that old. I am sure there is an enthusiast network out there, I just haven't looked hard enough yet.

Cheers,

Try Hudson-AMC Club Home Page (http://www.hudson-amc.org.au/)

Cheers

[Bigbjorn]

Thank you all for your comments. I have no intention of scrapping it. I was a little disheartened to speak to a member of a Sydney based Hudson etc Club a while ago who said it would be worth no more than $10K fully restored and only $1-2K as is for parts. Though you would never restore it for profit, it seemed a lot of work for little reward. My drive for restoring it one day is the engineer in me who wants to see how it works and the history of the thing.

It has the Super 6 motor I believe. The motor is seized though I don't know why. The clutch and gearbox still work and that is how it is moved around, using the clutch to stop when required. I will get the numbers off the ID plate when I am at the farm again next weekend.

As opposed to Land Rovers, what is difficult is the lack of literature on Hudsons that old. I am sure there is an enthusiast network out there, I just haven't looked hard enough yet.

Cheers,

At last someone is being realistic about values. $10,000-$12,000 is a reasonable price for a restored mass produced car in a less common body style. It would be worth more than that fellow says as is though. People ask stupid prices for restored common cars and justify the ask by saying "It cost me $20,000 to restore and I want to get my money back". They have not added value to that extent. That $20,000 was the cost of a hobby.

Does look like a Super 6 under the dirt. They were a good bit of kit for the time. It would cost quite a bit to do a chassis up restoration, maybe even the $20,000 I mentioned depending on condition and the amount of work you farm out to professionals. Paint and panel has got frightfully expensive as has electroplating if you can find someone who is still allowed to do this by the environmental bodies.

[cjc_td5]

Try Hudson-AMC Club Home Page (http://www.hudson-amc.org.au/)

Cheers

Thanks, I have made enquiries with that club and had a good conversation with a member whom gave me the prices quoted elsewhere. He put me onto a restored 1929 Hudson Roadster in Wellington (about 100km from here) which I have seen (happened to be driving through town and spied it at a service station!). It is a beautiful vehicle to see in the flesh.

I feel the real resources are in the US of A. That is where I need to do some serious research when I get the inclination (which is rapidly growing with discussion in this thread!!).

[cjc_td5]

At last someone is being realistic about values. $10,000-$12,000 is a reasonable price for a restored mass produced car in a less common body style. It would be worth more than that fellow says as is though. People ask stupid prices for restored common cars and justify the ask by saying "It cost me $20,000 to restore and I want to get my money back". They have not added value to that extent. That $20,000 was the cost of a hobby.

Does look like a Super 6 under the dirt. They were a good bit of kit for the time. It would cost quite a bit to do a chassis up restoration, maybe even the $20,000 I mentioned depending on condition and the amount of work you farm out to professionals. Paint and panel has got frightfully expensive as has electroplating if you can find someone who is still allowed to do this by the environmental bodies.

Yep I have thought it would probably cost $20-40K to restore, depending on what was outsourced. I agree with your comments re over-inflation of values and restoration not being a profit making exercise. Heavens, I am restoring a money pit of a 86" at the moment. I certainly am not restoring it for profit!!

[Rudolf]

My brother inlaw owns a beetle repaur shop.
He recently bought a 1950(there about) Beetle.
Still had the original spark plugs in.
Needs lots of attention thought.
Everything is original.

[Bigbjorn]

Yep I have thought it would probably cost $20-40K to restore, depending on what was outsourced. I agree with your comments re over-inflation of values and restoration not being a profit making exercise. Heavens, I am restoring a money pit of a 86" at the moment. I certainly am not restoring it for profit!!

I have a friend who is almost finished restoring a veteran 1906 6cyl x 4 litre Argyll. He says it will have cost $40,000 when finished but he had to make a lot of missing bits. Fortunately he is a professional blacksmith.

According to the family of the original owners, the Argyll last ran in 1932.

He has a veteran (1909-10) Talbot to start when the Argyll is finished. He thinks it will consume $40,000-$50,000 by completion. This one is more complete than the Argyll was at commencement, being virtually complete as far as chassis and running gear but a lot of the little bits have been stolen during 40+ years storage or used on restoring two other Talbots by the previous owner.

[GuyG]

Saw a few interesting cars today

[p38arover]

If you are interested in the most celebrated Bentley case read this:

The Case of the Bentley Old Number One (http://www.gomog.com/articles/no1judgement.html)

Bob


the integrity, provence and pedigree of this vehicle which have been under scrutiny.

Shouldn't that be "provenance"? :angel:

provenance


/provvhttps://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2009/11/356.jpgnhttps://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2009/11/356.jpgnss/
• noun 1 the origin or earliest known history of something. 2 a record of ownership of a work of art or an antique. — ORIGIN French, from Latin provenire ‘come from’.

[isuzurover]

I am currently deciding if I should buy a 1959 mk 2 340 Jag. Any opinions???

[GuyG]

I am currently deciding if I should buy a 1959 mk 2 340 Jag. Any opinions???

I say go for it:)

[series3]

all depends on condition and price I suppose. They are a beautiful car though, good engine too i think.

[Bigbjorn]

I am currently deciding if I should buy a 1959 mk 2 340 Jag. Any opinions???

Check THOROUGHLY for three things, rust, rust, rust. You will spend a large sum of money restoring a car that will be worth a fraction of your input when finished. If you are satisfied this will be the cost of your hobby and not value adding, then think about it. The wood and leather are frightfully expensive. to restore if they are bad.

[VladTepes]

Do it Ben !

[isuzurover]

Thanks guys.

The leather is in good nick. The wood needs new varnish at best and new veneer at worst. Lots of surface rust, but only a few small holes in the doors and rear quarters/boot.

The biggest issue - it is 100% complete apart from the starter motor. Which makes me somewhat suspicious. I had it up on a hoist and could not turn the engine over in 4th gear by turning the wheels.

The vehicle has just arrived on a container from japan and is LHD. That doesn't really bother me, but I assume it will reduce its value???

[digger]

I was playing with this yesterday,
getting it ready for our brigades display in the christmas pagent...

20660

more to do today..

has belonged to our brigade since '50.
(1926 garford, had godiva pump removed from rear in 60's and became a
hose truck only...now is as retired...)

digger

[VladTepes]

A LHD Jag... yeah I;d reckon it would reduce it's value.

Would to me anyway.

[digger]

http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/7467/img0001lo.jpg (http://img30.imageshack.us/i/img0001lo.jpg/)

This was also his pride & joy,taken when new,not quite vintage,but still in the family today



YOUR DAD OWNED A CAR FERRY!!!!????:o:o



CHEERS
DIGGER

[dmdigital]

I prefer the later model with the supercharger at the front. Beautiful cars the old Bentleys:cool:

[Bigbjorn]

I prefer the later model with the supercharger at the front. Beautiful cars the old Bentleys:cool:

The 4 1/2 litre "Blower Bentley" were not approved of by W.O. himself. They were an unofficial competition conversion for "The Bentley Boys" financed by Woolf Barnato and the Hon. Dorothy Paget. Like Bugattis, there are a lot of "fake" Blower Bentleys about, being standard 4 1/2's converted with replica parts. In the rarified atmosphere of very high value vintage sports and racing cars, provenance is paramount. There have been numbers of cases of historic race cars having the same chassis no. as another (or others!!), causing temper tantrums and name calling in the pits.

A prominent Australian Bugattiste told me it is prudent, if contemplating purchase of any Bugatti, to regard it as a fake until proven true beyond reasonable doubt. There was the amusing listing of a Bugatti in a toffy pom auction catalogue as " believed to contain many original Bugatti parts".

There are now more Maserati 250F's competing in historic racing than were ever built. how logbooks can be issued is beyond me.