Clearing sale today.

[JDNSW]

Today I went to a clearing sale nearby. No Landrover stuff at all All I got were a few minor items like a $5 box of brass eyelets (seem to be almost impossible to find these days), a $4 soldering iron (plus a hydraulic Jack I sold for $1), two camp chairs ($2), a slippery dip for the grandkids ($25), three aluminium window shades ($5), tarpaulin ($2) and a couple of other items, including a lot that included three lounge chairs plus a new photo quality printer plus two boxes of kitchen gear that I bought for $20 for my niece who had not registered to bid.

What I thought might interest some, were some of the other items. While in general it was a cheap sale, some items were expensive, and a few were about what they should have been.

Landcruiser HJ45 trayback, VGC, canvas 3/4 top. $4,500

Daewoo sedan,didn't note model, 81,000km, looked very good condition, 12mo rego - passed in without a bid at $2500.

4' bed lathe, older type but in good condition, 3ph motor, plenty of bits $1,000

1947 Morris Commercial truck, complete except for tray, but has not gone for many years $750

Bedford Tiptruck, going but not registered - $60

Commer knocker engine - been lying in the paddock for thirty years by the look of it, $550.

Fordson Power Major, good condition, three near new tyres, passed in at $2500.

Percussion drilling rig, going, but very rough looking, with full set of tools, $3500.

A lot of farming equipment was bought for virtually scrap prices.

John

[Bearman]

John,
The old lathe sounds like it would have been a good buy, also the Morris commercial truck and the Fordson super major. My old dad had a 1930 Morris commercial 30cwt on the wheat farm that was good for about 4 ton. It had a hand operated tipper body that worked by a wire rope through a couple of sheave blocks - incredible old truck. I love going to those clearance sales but unfortunately dont get to hear of them much these days.........Brian

[DeanoH]

Spring has sprung and its clearing sale time again................................

Interesting what value, or lack of value people put on things.

No suprise with the Landcruiser though I would have thought the daewoo would have been a good runabout for mum or the 18 yo daughter.

Interesting $750 for an old Morris Commercial not going but only $60 for the Bedford.

As for the twin knocker, theres a very good reason why its lying in the paddock. The were a bloody awful concept when they were new and 30 years in a paddock isn't going to make it any better.

City people come up and buy these ?

No one wanted the Fordson Major, was it a wreck or what ?

The new Photo Printer may not be the bargain it seems, the ink cartriges can cost as much as the printer. A lot of money to punt to see if the printers OK. Assuming the originals are empty of course.

Deano

[Bigbjorn]

That is pretty much what a small old lathe with three phase motor will fetch at auction. A 240 volt one would fetch double that. How old? Geared head, or speed cone and back gears? If the latter then the $1000 is excessive unless there was an exceeding handsome quantity of tooling, chucks, etc.

A new generic chinese lathe 14" swing x 40" between centres can be had for $3500-$4000. These are geared head, camlock spindle nose and usually come with chucks, steadies, drive plate, faceplate, and basic tooling.

[JDNSW]

Spring has sprung and its clearing sale time again................................

Interesting what value, or lack of value people put on things.

1. No suprise with the Landcruiser though I would have thought the daewoo would have been a good runabout for mum or the 18 yo daughter.

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2. As for the twin knocker, theres a very good reason why its lying in the paddock. The were a bloody awful concept when they were new and 30 years in a paddock isn't going to make it any better.

3. City people come up and buy these ?

4. No one wanted the Fordson Major, was it a wreck or what ?

5. The new Photo Printer may not be the bargain it seems, the ink cartriges can cost as much as the printer. A lot of money to punt to see if the printers OK. Assuming the originals are empty of course.

Deano

1. I think the Landcruiser was about right, it was a very good example of perhaps the best one they've made.

2. You may think they were not a good idea - but the basic design first appeared as a submarine engine in WW1 and was used as an aeroplane engine in the thirties and forties (the only really successful diesel ever used in an aeroplane). I can't comment on Commer's application of the idea, but history shows it as quite successful.

3. Probably - I talked to the losing bidder on the Commer - he was bidding for a city buyer who was planning to restore it.

4. No, quite good condition. I think the thing is they are too small for serious farming in this area, and nobody has any money anyway.

5. Yes, I know that. The bid was for the lounge chairs - the printer had been added to that lot because they couldn't get a bid for it!

John

[JDNSW]

That is pretty much what a small old lathe with three phase motor will fetch at auction. A 240 volt one would fetch double that. How old? Geared head, or speed cone and back gears? If the latter then the $1000 is excessive unless there was an exceeding handsome quantity of tooling, chucks, etc.

A new generic chinese lathe 14" swing x 40" between centres can be had for $3500-$4000. These are geared head, camlock spindle nose and usually come with chucks, steadies, drive plate, faceplate, and basic tooling.

Speed cone and back gears, three and four jaw chucks, drive plate, steadies, and more. Looked to be in good condition. No idea of age, but old enough to be in imperial units.

John

[Bigbjorn]

Speed cone and back gears, three and four jaw chucks, drive plate, steadies, and more. Looked to be in good condition. No idea of age, but old enough to be in imperial units.

John

fifty/sixty or more years old likely. These were old hat when I started my apprenticeship in 1957.

[Rangier Rover]

Today I went to a clearing sale nearby. No Landrover stuff at all All I got were a few minor items like a $5 box of brass eyelets (seem to be almost impossible to find these days), a $4 soldering iron (plus a hydraulic Jack I sold for $1), two camp chairs ($2), a slippery dip for the grandkids ($25), three aluminium window shades ($5), tarpaulin ($2) and a couple of other items, including a lot that included three lounge chairs plus a new photo quality printer plus two boxes of kitchen gear that I bought for $20 for my niece who had not registered to bid.

What I thought might interest some, were some of the other items. While in general it was a cheap sale, some items were expensive, and a few were about what they should have been.

Landcruiser HJ45 trayback, VGC, canvas 3/4 top. $4,500

Daewoo sedan,didn't note model, 81,000km, looked very good condition, 12mo rego - passed in without a bid at $2500.

4' bed lathe, older type but in good condition, 3ph motor, plenty of bits $1,000

1947 Morris Commercial truck, complete except for tray, but has not gone for many years $750

Bedford Tiptruck, going but not registered - $60

Commer knocker engine - been lying in the paddock for thirty years by the look of it, $550.

Fordson Power Major, good condition, three near new tyres, passed in at $2500.

Percussion drilling rig, going, but very rough looking, with full set of tools, $3500.

A lot of farming equipment was bought for virtually scrap prices.

John


Had I'd been there I would have grabbed the HJ47.. Best 40 series cruiser ever made. Not unusual to see them for around 8 to 9K if in good condition.

I wonder what the reserve was on the old Fordson. Can never have too many tractors here:twisted:

There was a sale near Merriwa as well. I missed it unfortunately. They had a 81 Rangie up for grabs. May have gone cheap and had likely had a good LT 95 in it.

[JDNSW]

Had I'd been there I would have grabbed the HJ47.. Best 40 series cruiser ever made. Not unusual to see them for around 8 to 9K if in good condition.

I wonder what the reserve was on the old Fordson. Can never have too many tractors here:twisted:

There was a sale near Merriwa as well. I missed it unfortunately. They had a 81 Rangie up for grabs. May have gone cheap and had likely had a good LT 95 in it.

As I said, I think the Landcruiser was a good buy. No idea what the reserve was on the Fordson. Had good rear tyres and one front tyre and the alternator looked new, so he had spent a bit of money on it recently, probably wanted to get that back plus a bit for the tractor. But I got the impression they did not want a lot more, maybe $3,500. If you are really interested call Mon & Barlow in Dubbo - it was the Parkvale sale, and it may still be available.

John

[DeanoH]

2. You may think they were not a good idea - but the basic design first appeared as a submarine engine in WW1 and was used as an aeroplane engine in the thirties and forties (the only really successful diesel ever used in an aeroplane). I can't comment on Commer's application of the idea, but history shows it as quite successful.



Nothing wrong with the concept. The reason Commer used it was to get cheap rego for the fleet owner as in those days rego cost was determined by number of cylinders. The Commer engine was not renowned for its performance or its reliability. I think Junkers probably did a better job. Without being too harsh; the British aren't renowned for their excellence in car engine design.

Deano

[JDNSW]

Nothing wrong with the concept. The reason Commer used it was to get cheap rego for the fleet owner as in those days rego cost was determined by number of cylinders. The Commer engine was not renowned for its performance or its reliability. I think Junkers probably did a better job. Without being too harsh; the British aren't renowned for their excellence in car engine design.

Deano

I think you touch on one of the main reasons for not having excellent engine designs - the often bizarre taxation regimes.

John

[Bigbjorn]

I think you touch on one of the main reasons for not having excellent engine designs - the often bizarre taxation regimes.

John

Nothing wrong with a knocker in the right application which was as a 4 x 2 eight ton body truck, not as a prime mover pulling bogie trailers or a body truck pulling a dog trailer. They were only 145 horse power which was quite sprightly for an eight tonner of the period. We had eight of them at one time and I can tell you it was a long slow haul Brisbane-Sydney-Brisbane with a semi-trailer and seventeen tons of freight. Also a slow business with four decks of sheep on the body and a dog trailer perticularly pulling into a head wind.

They were relatively long lived by the standards of the time and fairly easy to service. Quick starters which many diesels of the 50's and 60's were not. They ran with a degree of supercharge unlike Detroit Diesels where the blower only scavenges and any boost required is provided by a turbocharger. With knockers when you had lost performance and were blowing black smoke it was usually time for a blower overhaul.

[UncleHo]

G'day Brian Hjelm :)

Yes, the old Knocker wasn't that bad, the Pommie road rego (tax) rules were on rated horse power wasn't it, and the Knocker was 18hp developing 145/150 Bhp from memory, like the Landrover 2.25 petrol which was only a 7:1 compression which gave a net brake horse power of 77bhp @4250rpm but with a torque of 124 pound/foot at 2500rpm :) (you know that I could not find a reference of the rated HP) :mad: the original Morris Mini Minor of 1959 was rated as a 10hp car and taxed as such, while here in Qld in the 60's rego was calculated by BHP over weight, as my first Ford S/V V8 Customline sedan was 32.5 HP and 30 cwt (hundredwight=1 1/2 ton) and that motor was 103 BHP :D

cheers

[JDNSW]

G'day Brian Hjelm :)

Yes, the old Knocker wasn't that bad, the Pommie road rego (tax) rules were on rated horse power wasn't it, and the Knocker was 18hp developing 145/150 Bhp from memory, like the Landrover 2.25 petrol which was only a 7:1 compression which gave a net brake horse power of 77bhp @4250rpm but with a torque of 124 pound/foot at 2500rpm :) (you know that I could not find a reference of the rated HP) :mad: the original Morris Mini Minor of 1959 was rated as a 10hp car and taxed as such, while here in Qld in the 60's rego was calculated by BHP over weight, as my first Ford S/V V8 Customline sedan was 32.5 HP and 30 cwt (hundredwight=1 1/2 ton) and that motor was 103 BHP :D

cheers

Landrover 2.25 rating is 20.3HP.

The formula is the bore (inches) squared by the number of cylinders divided by 2.5.

A look at this formula tells you why the British favoured long stroke engines.

John

[Bigbjorn]

The formula is the bore (inches) squared by the number of cylinders divided by 2.5.

John

You just beat me to it, John.

[JDNSW]

..........We had eight of them at one time and I can tell you it was a long slow haul Brisbane-Sydney-Brisbane with a semi-trailer and seventeen tons of freight. .....

Yes - many is the time I have followed one up (or down) the Moonbi range; no passing lanes in those days! (I was working in Qld but my family lived in Sydney)

John

[Bigbjorn]

Yes - many is the time I have followed one up (or down) the Moonbi range; no passing lanes in those days! (I was working in Qld but my family lived in Sydney)

John

Yes, the First and Second Moonbi's were a real climb then, unlike the high speed freeway that is in place today. Did you ever come across the fellow that had a garage in Bendemeer who had a couple of WWII 6x6's. He would pull stalled trucks up and over the Moonbis for a fee. If you were a bit heavy (not me, honest:angel:) or underpowered you could 'phone ahead and book a tow over the ranges. Cunninghams Gap, Bolivia Hill, Black Mountain and Devil's Elbow, the Moonbi's, the Liverpool Range at Murrurundi. All steep, narrow, and twisty then. And then into the Putty Road when it still had unsealed sections. Still, the New England was a far superior road and easier drive than the Pacific. I still prefer it.

[JDNSW]

Yes, the First and Second Moonbi's were a real climb then, unlike the high speed freeway that is in place today. Did you ever come across the fellow that had a garage in Bendemeer who had a couple of WWII 6x6's. He would pull stalled trucks up and over the Moonbis for a fee. If you were a bit heavy (not me, honest:angel:) or underpowered you could 'phone ahead and book a tow over the ranges. Cunninghams Gap, Bolivia Hill, the Moonbi's, the Liverpool Range at Murrurundi. All steep, narrow, and twisty then. And then into the Putty Road when it still had unsealed sections. Still, the New England was a far superior road and easier drive than the Pacific. I still prefer it.

I came across him alright - he replaced a rear wheel bearing (semifloating) on the Series 1 while I waited on one trip from Brisbane to Sydney. Had the knowledge, skills, tools and parts. Took less than an hour - but I can't remember how much he charged. Try that today!

Like you I still prefer the New England.

My earliest recollection of the Moonbi range was when I was about 12, we went on a holiday from Sydney to visit relatives at Glen Elgin, between Glen Innes and Grafton. We travelled in convoy from Newcastle with an uncle and his family. At the time my father had a 9hp Swift, and my uncle had a 9hp Rover. The Swift made it up Moonbi well ahead, thanks to a four speed box, not three like the Rover, so we waited for them at the top. I can still picture the Rover coming into sight, with a plume of steam from the radiator, and my uncle leaning out the side to see, the windscreen being obscured by a mixture of condensation and dust.

John

[Bigbjorn]

I came across him alright - he replaced a rear wheel bearing (semifloating) on the Series 1 while I waited on one trip from Brisbane to Sydney. Had the knowledge, skills, tools and parts. Took less than an hour - but I can't remember how much he charged. Try that today!
John

There were quite a few real good mechanical tradesmen around then. Blokes who learned and honed their skillls in the hard times of the thirities when many people could not afford proper repairs, then through the rationing and shortages of the war and post-war periods. They learned to patch up, recycle, improvise, and make from scratch. The Bode brothers in Winton and The McDonalds father and son at Warwick had awesome reputations for getting you going with a minimum of parts and fuss, as did the Searles & O'Connors in Longreach. Fred McDonald was reputed to be able to fix anything with fencing wire and a railway sleeper, both borrowed. Most were originally fitters and turners and called themselves motor engineers. Bodes and McDonalds could do their own castings, heat treatment and blacksmithing as well as machining and full engine reconditioning in premises that looked like neglected farm sheds.

[DeanoH]

Remember going up to Qld. as a kid in an old FX, must have been late 50's / early 60's. Going up a mountain and the white posts were down the centre of the narrow winding road. Dad reckoned it was to stop vehicles cutting corners and wiping out traffic coming the other way. They wern't just little posts they were the size of power poles. Mention it today and people just look at me funny. I reckon it was near Biloela but can't be sure. Anyone got any idea of where I'm talking about ?

Funny what you remember, my only other recollection of that trip was driving along a straight road in the middle of no where, no other cars in sight and thump, what was that says Dad, thump again. A car had run up the back of us, twice. Dented the boot and broke the tail light.The other driver was drunk as a skunk but most apologetic. Gave Dad a fiver for repairs which made him pretty happy as the whole car wouldn't have been worth much more.

Deano

[Pedro_The_Swift]

I find it interesting (but not surprising) your biggest spend was on the grandkids:cool::D

[numpty]

I came across him alright - he replaced a rear wheel bearing (semifloating) on the Series 1 while I waited on one trip from Brisbane to Sydney. Had the knowledge, skills, tools and parts. Took less than an hour - but I can't remember how much he charged. Try that today!

Like you I still prefer the New England.

My earliest recollection of the Moonbi range was when I was about 12, we went on a holiday from Sydney to visit relatives at Glen Elgin, between Glen Innes and Grafton. We travelled in convoy from Newcastle with an uncle and his family. At the time my father had a 9hp Swift, and my uncle had a 9hp Rover. The Swift made it up Moonbi well ahead, thanks to a four speed box, not three like the Rover, so we waited for them at the top. I can still picture the Rover coming into sight, with a plume of steam from the radiator, and my uncle leaning out the side to see, the windscreen being obscured by a mixture of condensation and dust.

John

Ah the Moonbi's. They really are a doddle these days.

Speaking of boiling......well I remember my old Dads early Vanguard boiling on every climb over Mt Ousley. Didn't help that we had 1 1/2 ton of trailer behind. Eventually, each time we travelled back from the Sth Coast, we'd come up Bulli Pass, as we'd only boil once then. :p