snorkel

[peacey]

Before i start just let me say that i am sorry that step by step photos could not be done due to the sealant (slikaflex) ending up on everything and the boss refused to take photos or let me touch the camera.
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cut hole above air in take.

[peacey]

make a cover to guide air in to intake. seal all hole in structure. cut a 76mm hole in y peice of structure located bellow bonnet near passanger door. as you line up snorkel you will see. look inside hole towards the front you will see a peice of plate. look for the spot welds either side of bonnet hinges and cut a peice inbetween of welds. cut out the centres of these peices. weld a peice back over hole and seal. cot a peice of pipe 76mm od and make a cut out to line up with peice of metal inside the structure so it sits up aginst it with the cut out going all the way in about 40mm so there is a good seal with outside structure and aenough room for air to pass. Weld in peice and seal. attach flexi pipie to outside of pipe. Cut end peice of snorkel were air outlet is. place snorkel on and line up wre it works with door and bonnet. mark out bolt hole and cut. attach snorkel to guard leavin a 15mm gap between guard and snorkel (other wise it will faul against bonnet). line up as close a possible to welded in pipe section (will not be straight fit hense flexi pipe). cut hole through guard and snokel. get a peice of 76mm od pipe end with bracket from auto shop place throuh hole and bolt in place. attach flexi pipe and sel both ends. Use peice of plastic that was cut from snorkel to make a flat end for snorkel and seal in place. replace guard and attach bracket for top tp window trim (drill first and cut a self tapper to so it will not touch windscreen). done. I will try and get more photos if i have to pull of guard (no promises). tryed it out and works a1 no leakes. I have noticed that i use about 1.5l/100kms more in consumption and will try to get more flow from welded in pipe section if it starts to get to me.

[peacey]

finished product.
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[Jezzaol]

What snorkel did you use to adapt ? from what vehicle ?

Also I Added some light to your pics so we could see the finished product !

Cheers

[peacey]

snorkel was from a gu patrol.

[peacey]

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some better photos. not the black stuff sikaflex still to get off. thats why only some photos were taken. still on my hands slowly coming off.

[Remy]

Good job Peacey!
Any photos of the routing back to the airbox?
Cheers,
Remy

[PaulP38a]

I take me hat off to you Peacey - nice work mate.

Cheers, Paul.

[andrew e]

nice job, i am a bit worried however, about cutting into that channel/beam, as it is the major structual member for the front end. I have seen p38s with cracks in the inner guards, if this part is weakened and cracks too, the front end will fall off. Do you have a photo of the back part where it mates up to the snorkel?

Andy

[peacey]

I put steel in and welded to support structure where i took steel out probably stronger than before.
Andrew if you have a car up there with the guard off post it and i shall mark on it were i cut and welded peices in.
I will eventually take guard off again to check everything is still in place and sealed and will post pics in this thread.
Paul as before pm your number if you head down to vic.
Remy check start of thread.

[rofosixone]

i can think of a perfect water hole somewere in blue mountains to test that snorkel if you ever come to nsw for holidays.

[Remy]

Peacey initial photos look like you blocked off the original air intake. I was more interested in the routing from the snorkel to the intake.
Cheers,
Remy

[PaulP38a]

i can think of a perfect water hole somewere in blue mountains to test that snorkel if you ever come to nsw for holidays.

I didn't know you could drive in to Jellybean Pool near Glenbrook :p

There used to be a nice track off Singles Ridge Road towards Yellow Rock (before the bend near the Girl Guides hall) that had some good mud holes and a shallow water crossing. It also had a decent hill climb up rocks and muddy bits, but I reckon this would be closed off now due to expansion of housing down Tall Timbers Rd (or was it Lee Rd?) back up in to Winmalee.

No snorkel required of course, but a nice easy run for the old RRC, and a lot of spinning and burning clutch smells in the Freelander I had back then.

Cheers, Paul.

[Captain HSE 4.6 2000]

Pearcy well done mate

I have been researching the snorkel topic for months with limited joy, by coincidence I have been looking at doing the same thing and was considering trying to adapt the safari F250 snorkel ( safari have refused to supply the dimensions to check if it would fit and requested their product not be used) or the patrol or prado snorkels being the only LH fitment snorkels produced by the major manufacturers.

I have seen a number of posts stating people had contacted safari or they promised to develop one and was surprised when I received the followed response saying there is no demand (see email received 8 Sep 09 ).

"XXXX,
I need to be honest here and say that to the best of my knowledge, you
are the first person to request this application, at least directly to
us.
We do get slow but steady enquiry for the so called "Classic" body
style; however not sufficient to warrant development and tooling the way
Safari undertakes it. (Around $50K non recurring costs)

Keep in mind also that when I say the above, we deal directly with the
world's largest wholesalers of Landrover product. EG Britparts,
Bearmach, etc., obviously in the UK. If companies like these are not
requesting your application, we would have to seriously doubt its market
potential.

Sorry about that,

Best Regards,

David

We know there is demand out there and we know no manufacturer in the world currently makes a snorkel so there is potentially an exclusive world market ! ! ! I was going to go back to safari to say how many forward orders would it take before you would commit to designing one. . . anyone interested ?

HOWEVER - I HAVE A SOLUTION - Airflow several months ago said they are interested but I need help as i am currently working in the NT a long way from their factory in Melbourne and have not had time to follow up. They require a vehicle to use to measure, then test fit etc over three separate fittings, the bonus is who does this is likely to get a free snorkel.

I see this as a team effort where all the AULRO community can help and the end result is we will have a factory designed snorkel. I will attach all the required information, and collate a co-ordinated response. What I require is confirmation of the technical information they have requested and a volunteer in VIC to get their P38 measured for a snorkel. So Ron and all you technical guru's please can you confirm the technical details and I look forward to being PMed by a member in VIC. I have no financial interest in this I just want a snorkel ASAP so I can go up the Cape in Nov 2009.

So please work with me, don't pester the factory direct and I'll make it happen. If no one in vic will come to the party, then I will follow pearcys lead and try and modify prior to late Nov 2009.

To start as far as I know all the body exteriors are the same between models. Only the internal engine bay detail could change. Internally there is the GEMS 4.0, 4.6 L V8's with a different airbox these being 1995-1999, and then Bosh 4.0 , 4.6 L V8's 2000-2002 with the new square airbox but in both case the air intake is the same. To the best of my knowledge these are the only factory variants imported into Australia (i.e no diesel). Please see the reply from Airflow and the information required below plus my dimension powerpoint presentation with was the start of my factory discussions.

Thanks for your time and help in advance

The Captain
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G'day Captain

Thank you for your enquiry.

All our products are designed, tooled and made in our Factory in Dromana, Victoria, Australia

The ______range rover_____ diesel and petrol LHD & RHD are on the list for ____?______

We need to collect and collate vehicle information
Year, model shape, year run and any model changes to shape "small" eg head light shape, swage in guard ect
Engine's type, year run, petrol, diesel, lts ect
Air cleaner type, inlet and outlet diameters, LH / RH side.
electric fuel injection "efi", common rail "crd", turbo, super charger, intercooler, direct injection, ect
Under bonnet photo's close then back a metre
Any changes Left hand drive verses Right hand drive under the bonnet. eg battery changes size, zxy changed position.

Subjet to access to vehicles.
At the moment we have _____Nil_______vehicle lined up.

The deal is
We need the vehicle three time
1st take a mould of the guard / "A" pillar, under bonnet ect 3 to 5 hrs
2nd trial fit 3 to 4 hrs
3rd Fit the snorkel min 8 hrs, has been up to 16hrs(only once have we had a vehicle for 2 days)
If we are able to organize we test the vehicle without a snorkel and then with a snorkel on a dyno on a different day.
To check the increase in performance, airflow pressure, friction losses, fuel economy
In the finish we have the kit made and the vehicle has the first of Cold Air Induction Snorkel free of charge.
We will take the driver through the process and shout them a cup of Tea / Coffee ect.

Let me know if you have any taker's petrol and diesel
Please pass this on to your club members
The vehicle need come to us in Dromana

Send me your phone number and I will give you a call to dicuss further.

Keep in contact by email or phone.

Regards

XXXX

[andrew e]

captain, i have made a prototype for one that i want to put into production, i am just waiting for paul to put his car back together, so i can put it on. He needs one more than anyone. If he is happy, i will have a fiberglass mould made up, and a heap made.

It will be a cut-a-hole-in-the-gard-and-bolt-on style so any mug can install it.

Andy

[rofosixone]

not quite that low down there blue mountains wise , should have said further up towards north of lithgow near newnes( said blue mountains if interstate is easyer to pin point area) near lost city area on a bush track .well that water hole was deep for me and nissan took water at speed in the motor through his air cleaner ,lost a 4.2 diesel motor out of it now going to cost him few thousand ,he could have used the above item (snorkel ) you are all talking about ,great idea if you love driveing in deep water,cheap insurance.

[PaulP38a]

not quite that low down there blue mountains wise , should have said further up towards north of lithgow near newnes( said blue mountains if interstate is easyer to pin point area) near lost city area on a bush track .well that water hole was deep for me and nissan took water at speed in the motor through his air cleaner ,lost a 4.2 diesel motor out of it now going to cost him few thousand ,he could have used the above item (snorkel ) you are all talking about ,great idea if you love driveing in deep water,cheap insurance.

ah ha! As an ex-resident of the Lower Blue Mountains I don't consider anything west of Blackheath to be in "godzone" :D... I picked up that term when I lived in "the shire" (Sylvania Heights) but believe the title "godzone" is far more fitting to the beautiful countryside that is the Blue Mountains than the built-up and overpriced areas south of Blakehurst :wasntme:
Now I live/work in/near Canberra... so I guess I lose all credibility in terms of selection of "nice" place to settle :o

Sorry to hear about your mates Patrol... not nice to lose any 4wd to a water crossing - both me and Peacey can attest to that.

I'm keen to get a snorkel on my P38A not because I like water crossings... just not keen to go through the pain of another write-off if I want/need to cross something more than thigh deep again.

Captain - all credit to you once again. You are certainly a man who knows how to get things done. I applaud your efforts, and am in your debt for your previous endeavours that brought about the rear carrier on mine and several other members P38A's.

Andy - thanks for responding to Captain. I'm still with you of course, but wanted to see what you thought of Captain's plans before responding. All going to plan, I'll have the motor running again by the end of the coming weekend and be up in Sydney within the next couple of weeks to try out those snorkel and sliders design.

Am hoping to go to that LR show at Castle Hill on 27-Sep. I'd better get out to the garage...

Cheers, Paul.

[DT-P38]

I really hate missing out on a bargain, and a free airflow snorkel sounds ridiculous in anyones language, but I honestly feel its appropriate to wait for Andrew to finish his version first. :thumbsup: It seems to me he supports and helps a large part of this P38 community through his parts business venture and advice and be given a shot at making something back on his new Snorkel (and don't forget the compressor kit, and sliders!!!).:thumbsup:
I haven't been loitering around here for long, but with out a lie, he must have saved me the price of an average snorkel already. :thumbsup:

Geez this all hurts though... I could get some real joy out of an airflow "branding" of the pretty pig!:lol2:

Andy, you need to PM me your bank details again please, I still have to cash you up for that HEVAC I received the other day.

P.S. Captain, In saying all that, if Andy decides he can't or doesn't want to go ahead with his version, you can put the "pretty pig" (my '95 P38 4.6HSE) on the list for the guinea pig role with airflow in Melbourne. Given enough notice, they could keep the car for a week... it is also dual fuel which could tick another box as far as variables are concerned.

[andrew e]

Andy, you need to PM me your bank details again please, I still have to cash you up for that HEVAC I received the other day.




I forgot about that already. Did it work ok?

[Captain HSE 4.6 2000]

Andy

Thanks for your PM can you give me an indication of when you might expect to have a prototype ready and better yet when do you think you might have a product available for sale.

Regards

Captain

[andrew e]

I will build/install pauls prototype first, then make them as people ask. Are you after a standard tube one, or a moulded fiberglass one? I wont have the latter finished for some time.
Andy

[996TURBO]

Nice snorkel.
I thought you would be interested to see mine :

http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/6071/snorkel2.th.jpg (http://img256.imageshack.us/i/snorkel2.jpg/)

Complete thread here:RangeRovers.net • View topic - Mantec Snorkel for P38A (http://www.rangerovers.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=33416&hilit=snorkel)

[Captain HSE 4.6 2000]

I will build/install pauls prototype first, then make them as people ask. Are you after a standard tube one, or a moulded fiberglass one? I wont have the latter finished for some time.
Andy

Andy and Paul

I've put the tools down for 4 weeks on the snorkel project to give you guys a chance to come up with the goods, but have not seen any further details or been PMed ? Can you please PM me as to where your at as I will re-energise my project if you have not made any progress. I now have between 6-8 weeks to create a product for my vehicle before heading up the cape if you cannot supply a finished product.

I look forward to your reply and hopefully some photo's

Regards CAPT

[PaulP38a]

Hi CAPT - I can't speak for Andy, but my car has only been back on the road for a couple of weeks so the snorkel has been a low priority in comparision to getting the engine running and heater o-rings replaced.
I believe Andy has been pretty well occupied with building a Defender for his sister... and won't be back from NT until December.
Cheers, Paul.