QLD, a Banana state?

[Chucaro]

I cannot believe it, I just wonedr if I get it wrong with my spanglish :eek:
The head lines :
"6 cups a day keeps the doctor awake"

The link is HERE (http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/09/08/2679456.htm)

Going to Hospital will be a new adventure for us the Qld residents :(

[Chucaro]

NM. something have to give! Doctors are going to finish with mental problems and people have to realize that the Dr needs the support of the community!
This is not a Dr problem is far more than that.
I just wonder how the Doctors in the remote towns are coping with this situation :(

[klappers]

NM. something have to give! Doctors are going to finish with mental problems and people have to realize that the Dr needs the support of the community!
This is not a Dr problem is far more than that.
I just wonder how the Doctors in the remote towns are coping with this situation :(

They arent... one remote doctor worked 6 months straight because there was no one to relieve them :eek:

[juddy]

They may think they have it mad here, but thats nothing compaired to working for the NHS in the UK.




It's true. Doctors in the Qld public health system work ridiculously long hours. It is not uncommon for me to see the day teams who knock off at 4.30pm still at work at 8pm and later doing paperwork like discharge summaries. They often don't even get a break to eat a meal. :(

Where I work there are 60 medical beds with 4 teams consisting of a consultant, a registrar and a resident medical officer to cover the 60 beds. On weekends those 60 beds are covered by a registrar and a resident.....and they do an 8am to 10.30pm shift before being relieved. The literally are run off their feet!!

[Chops]

It amazes me to think that we dont have anywhere enough doctors to help us when we are in need,,, every day you hear people complain because they had to wait hours in emergency rooms before being attended to,, discusting really,,

And they knock back people like the German specialist from coming into the country because he has an autistic son,,,

But their quite happy to let in all the free loaders who just rock up to a surgery to get a certificate to say they were sick so they can get paid for it,,, when the truth is, they just couldn't be bothered going to work in the first place,,

And now they want them to effectively take drugs to stay awake,,,:toilet::bat::censored:

[BigJon]

I saw that article too.

It is a disgrace that an employer would suggest taking drugs to an employee to keep them awake.

If a trucking company was exposed in the media for telling its drivers to take speed to stay awake there would be hell to pay.

[Hoges]

Some (relevant) trivia: Back last century...in the late 50's, the UN international treaty (Vienna Convention) on legitimate manufacture and supply narcotic and psychtropic drugs was implemented. One of the many reasons given for restricting narcotics was the growing incidence of abuse within the medical profession at the time :eek::o True.

then we come to the mid 80's with the rush to put inplace national Occ Health and safety legislation tyo make workplaces SAFER (the unions had a big thing then about rostering and health effects)... and later we see traffic law enforcement cracking down on "driving when you're tired"

soooooo our brilliant bureaucrats here in Banana land have a new policy: work the doctors harder, suggest they abuse caffeine (remember the australian olympic Fencing champion who was scuttled by dug tests for drinking umpteen cups of coffee///:confused:) and let them loose on patients while chronically sleep deprived...

coffee anyone? :wasntme:

end of rant rant rant....

[Chucaro]

We should make it compulsory to have 2 mugs of coffee before post in this thread :)

[BigJon]

But I don't drink coffee...

[Chops]

We should make it compulsory to have 2 mugs of coffee before post in this thread :)


Already done,, at between 8-12 cups a day,, im covered,,:eek:

[Chucaro]

But I don't drink coffee...

You are Ok, going by your posts in the forum you have hot blood :D

[ezyrama]

We should make it compulsory to have 2 mugs of coffee before post in this thread :)

Coffee,CoffeeCoffee:woot::woot::woot::woot::woot:: woot:

[TimNZ]

Next they'll advise surgeons to start smoking if their hand's shake :eek:

[Chucaro]

I think that this problem have to approach with calm so Valium will be the next thing for the Doctors

[Jojo]

It seems that not much has changed over the course of several years (except for the worse, maybe???). Over here, many ofmy colleagues simply don't believe that one can work under such conditions, they even claim I am making up this kind of stuff:cool:.
How about giving some bureaucrats at various authorities some coffee or other more potent central nervous stimulants that they finally wake up?!?

[Chucaro]

.........How about giving some bureaucrats at various authorities some coffee or other more potent central nervous stimulants that they finally wake up?!?

I do not know, I am not a doctor but if they do not have brains do you think that the stimulants will work ?

[Jojo]

I do not know, I am not a doctor but if they do not have brains do you think that the stimulants will work ?


Good point, mate! Best not waisting any of the precious dark liquid on those morons ;). Aaaah, I do miss my cuppa of Merlo's...:(

[Stepho_62]

:D If this issue wasn't so serious it would be downright funny. You absolutely correct, this isn't a doctor problem its a community problem and I'm not sure that we are supporting the likes of the Dr's n the NM of this world the way we should be.

I'm not sure what the answer is but I take my hat of to them.

[d@rk51d3]

Coffee is the least of their worries.

Recent tests on our surgeons revealed that most were using a variety of illicit substances.......... while on the job.

[cucinadio]

they do a fine job and we should be supporting them..but IMHO.its no different (apart form the obvious impotents there roles plays in our lucky country) ...to any other profesion/trade/job...they always want more for less and it always always leads back to the dollar ..the more they screw you over the better the bottom line..but by the time we are all sick of it and we are strong enough to do something about it you have moved on because you realize it fruitless because there will always be someone to take your place...and so the circle goes on ...:(

but there is no excuse for ****ing with our health system Howard and Costello should be ashamed of themselves leaving us with such a mess...:whistling:

cheers

[THE BOOGER]

The hours dr,s work has been bad for a lot longer than Howard or Costello. Medicine as a profession has been going down hill since medibank thats over 20 years, pre medibank we had over supply of gp,s now we are sever under supply remember with medicare gp,s are asked to except 80% of their fee not 100 if your employer asked you to work for 20% less would you except. Thats just one of the things wrong with our system plus as stated the large no of free loaders who just want med cert for sickies, too many people going to dr for trivial things and sick people not being seen fast enough.
Yarp yarp yarp yarp sorry to much coffee:eek2:

[warren9981]

So when the Dr's are heading home after a 40+ hr shift and get pulled over for driving erratically by the police, they can now legitimately claim that they are allowed to drive tired because the government says it's ok. But only if you're a doctor.;)
Wonder if truckies and all other professions can now use that excuse also.:)

[Chops]

It seems that not much has changed over the course of several years (except for the worse, maybe???). Over here, many ofmy colleagues simply don't believe that one can work under such conditions, they even claim I am making up this kind of stuff:cool:.
How about giving some bureaucrats at various authorities some coffee or other more potent central nervous stimulants that they finally wake up?!?

Well,, you've only got to look at a parlament sitting to see that half of them are asleep to start with,,,,( ohh what a job,,) or their in a general "slanging" match, so they have no idea whats happening in the real world I'm sure,,,:( They "look" like their some of the biggest free-loaders here,,:mad:. Im sure if I had a sleep at work, at the very least I'd be "written up", if not sacked on the spot,,,
Maybe they should be drinking coffee by the gallon,,,

[THE BOOGER]

Who can we sue if at the end of a 60/70 hr shift a dr makes a mistake with someone,s child and they die. We have seen truck companies named and shamed by the govt for pushing their drivers to far.The state govt,s make the rules for trucking companies shouldnt they make the same rules for themselves:confused:

[BBC]

Given the aging of the Australian demographic we are heading toward a train-smash with yet to be (for the general public...be certain that the Govt's are aware) fully understood consequences.

Issues to increase the supply of both Drs and Nurses include, the need to increase the Uni positions but also, most critically, the number of places in medical training institutions. You can shove increasing numbers through Uni but, if there are not sufficient training places in hospitals, they can't qualify.

[bblaze]

maybe its time we give vets the power to work on 2 legged animals, sort of said tongue in cheek.
cheers
blaze

[Chucaro]

Read THIS (http://www.abc.net.au/worldtoday/content/2009/s2678574.htm), bugger that, if sick get to a plane and go to an Island in the Pacific, you may be have a better chance!!

[incisor]

Read THIS (http://www.abc.net.au/worldtoday/content/2009/s2678574.htm), bugger that, if sick get to a plane and go to an Island in the Pacific, you may be have a better chance!!

a mate goes to china to see his doctor...

i kid you not.

[incisor]

Don't know about Dr's but the average age of nurses in Qld (maybe Aust too) is 45yrs.

and from memory all this shortage started when they lifted to education requirements of nurses to a higher tertiary level.

me thinks they need to bring in a more tiered level of nursing staff which includes a level or two that dont need the higher level of education but are able to and happy to do the more mundane tasks.

[incisor]

real.

and he has him much better sorted than anyone else he has ever been to, and he has traveled the world looking.

he spends a couple of weeks each month travelling the world as part of his employment..

[Chucaro]

I can telling you that in many cases it is cheaper and faster to fly to Cuba to get treatment that have the treatment here and the quality of health care in Cuba it is a mong the best.
Regarding NM comments abouth the baby boomers, she is correct I am on that generation and I can see the problem it is coming. :(
I cannot understand why we cannot have more Doctors from OS. Are we so arrogant that believe that our sytem of medical education it is the best world wide.
look like that it is the case :(

[VladTepes]

The real problem, of course, is the Germans !

:p :tease:

Seriously though - as well as all those problems which are faced by local doctors - those who come here on special visas also have the threat of revokation of their visas used as a way to keep them working those ridiculous bloody hours....

also

_ insert derogatory comment of your choice regarding Anna Bligh _

[Chucaro]

With out intentions to defend Anna Bligh looks like that the problem is Oz wide, have a look what it is happens in South Australia HERE (http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/story/0,22606,26046629-5006301,00.html)

Then again read HERE (http://www.abc.net.au/pm/stories/s339203.htm) this 2001 article well before Anna Bligh and her orchest were in power

[bblaze]

Just another Thought
We must be lucky in Smithton
The population hasnt changed much in my 48 years, lived here most of my life. When I was a kid there was 2 doctors, from memory there seemed like no wait times and always one on call. Today we have 6-7 doctors with visiting specialist at times and a major hospital 80km away. You can always get straight in for emergency and general if not choosey with the doctor you want mostly an appointment can be had on the day you want. I am choosey and choose to wait normally no more than a week.
Vets
We used to be service by one vet, we now have 5.
So I blame our problem on processed food and chemicals, lack of manual labour and sitting on our behinds watching tv.
cheers
blaze
ps
I wonder how long it would take to make a healthy country if we shut 50% of the hospitals and just said sorry we cant help

[olbod]

It's not much fun anymore, anywhere and thats coming from a solitary.

[Jojo]

The real problem, of course, is the Germans !

:p :tease:

How do you want me to interpret this:cool::twisted::angel::confused::confused:


Seriously though - as well as all those problems which are faced by local doctors - those who come here on special visas also have the threat of revokation of their visas used as a way to keep them working those ridiculous bloody hours....


That is exactly the point!!! At least one of them:mad::mad::mad:.

[Chucaro]

Seriously though - as well as all those problems which are faced by local doctors - those who come here on special visas also have the threat of revokation of their visas used as a way to keep them working those ridiculous bloody hours....

also

_ insert derogatory comment of your choice regarding Anna Bligh _

Read THIS (http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,,26046436-3102,00.html) it is a shame :mad:

[Stepho_62]

Don't know about Dr's but the average age of nurses in Qld (maybe Aust too) is 45yrs. I know where I work there are easily equal numbers of nurses that age and older as there are under 30's.


Pat, I reckon the reason for this is that when they turned nursing into a university qual they completely stuffed the whole thing up. My guess it that there are only a few young people that want to be nurses for the right reasons.

Now, I know I'm potentially exposing myself t get shot down here, AND there is a good chance I won't articulate myself to well but here is the problem IMHO.

A nurse is principally a care giver. There isn't a university course in the world that can teach the real requirements to fulfill this particular job requirement. I'm not talkin about givin da drugs at the right time, I'm not talkin about doing the obs according to the schedule. I'm talking about the milk of human kindness. The unconditional love for people that really good nurses give. The almost undefinable quality that a good nurse has that makes the patients passage through their recovery process positive and sucessful.

When my dad was diagnosed with terminal cancer there was one young lady in the hostpital that was just wonderful. She looked after him so well. When he passed away about an hour after I was talking to him, I found here crying in an office. Thats the sort of care that I'm talking about.

Don't get me wrong, the rest of the technical things still need to be taught but the way that it has been structured is inappropriate.

Most of the nurses that are 40 somthin + are either ones that started life as EN's, ENs who later went on to do that degree thingy or RNs etc. Most of them are still nursing for one reason. They care. I'm not saying for one second that the young people that come into the system via a uni degree don't care but I feel that the career is represented differently these days.

Hence, once they have done it for a few years they bungee off n do something else or undertake more study and move into a specialist field. There is a nurse lurking round my house somewhere. She's not too technical n for christ sake don't tell her I said its cause she's blonde :wasntme: but if I ever got sick I'd want one of her type looking after me cause she cares.

It really is that simple.

[Chucaro]

Does not matter in which country you were the nurses and nuns back in the 50’s and 60’s used to be the Soul of the hospitals with their love and dedication.
The experience of that generation was and is awesome.
I hope that the new generations will be the same

[George130]

They have them...they are called AIN's (Assistants in nursing) or then you have EN's (Enrolled nurses) and EEN"s (Endorsed Enrolled Nurses). But the system now encourages EN's and EEN's to go to uni for there diploma or whatever that piece of paper is called and become an RN...that way they can then do the Dr's work and forget the basic stuff.

I tell you...cut out some of the paperwork and crap we have to do and we'd have more hands on nursing time available. Employ more doctors and we wouldn't have to do their work either.....nurses spend a lot of time chasing the Dr's up ;) Bit like a merry-go-round :D:D

Get someone to sign of on all our IT effort and it will happen. 50% of the work I have done on the health system I develop has never been turned on as no one wants to take responsability or make a descision.
As for paper work it's what I keep telling them. The days of manual reports are over so give us the specs to automate it or hire someone to go out to the facility and record the reporting data manually.

It's going to get a lot worse before we have any hope of improvement.