P38a, or not to P38a...

[justinc]

I have the opportunity to buy a 1997/98 HSE in absolutely mint condition, 170k, unmarked even the bumper plastics are shiny:o. Interior is perfect, all the elctrics work, needs a new pair of key fobs, and an engine:(

It isn't really cheap, but I can get it going again at a reasonable cost.

I know i said I'd never buy one due to the electrickery onboard, BUT this one has got me hooked. It is optioned with factory nudge bar and roof racks, silver with black leather etc.


I'd be mad not to, wouldn't I???

Please help me decide:o:)

JC

[Remy]

Mine has been good! (touching wood as i type) - talk to Andrew_E about a good deal on an engine and other parts you need and join the fun. They are capable, comfortable and if you set them up right a good vehicle. There is stacks of info and people are making inroads into modifications such as (snorkel and bullbar/winch Peacey etc):D

I say go for it !

While the electrics can go wrong mine haven't failed me yet.

Cheers,
Remy

[loanrangie]

Well if you need help deciding i would not buy it, i mean if anyone will know how much work it will need is you, right ?:)

[justinc]

Mine has been good! (touching wood as i type) - talk to Andrew_E about a good deal on an engine and other parts you need and join the fun. They are capable, comfortable and if you set them up right a good vehicle. There is stacks of info and people are making inroads into modifications such as (snorkel and bullbar/winch Peacey etc):D

I say go for it !

While the electrics can go wrong mine haven't failed me yet.

Cheers,
Remy

I know, I work on these on a daily basis, and this is one of my customers cars. I have just got to get a final PUSH from a few people here to help me decide:D I'm glad you have a good one, they ARE nice to drive...:angel:

JC:)

[Psimpson7]

Hey Justin, guess you know whats involved and I assume have the diagnostics, so I say go for it!

Rgds
Pete

[Grumbles]

I suppose it all depends on what the final total cost will be to have a going concern sitting in the driveway.

[justinc]

Actually, having reread this thread and the posts therein, I have come to the conclusion it was a waste of typing:D OF COURSE I know what is involved in repairing it, and YES I would like one, and YES I wanted a push toward buying it, .....I was just hoping I would get talked out of it, but I'm happy I haven't been yet. Watch this space:) (I still have to get the REAL boss's approval)

(Oh, and thanks to everyone that replied.:))

JC

[Vern]

don't do it jc






there is that what you wanted to hear:p
so ya dunging a 4bd1t in it?;):D

[roversmith]

Take some advice from someone who had one, go for it. These cars would have to be the best value you can get. You can pick them up for about ten percent of new price, they drive very well, and as you can repair them youself, well like you said, it's a no brainer.

cheers Greg

[hiline]

we had a P38 once

the wife drove(abused) it around for 3yrs and it just kept going
but things did start to go wrong after she tried to re-arrange a railway bridge:wasntme: in it .................

we only had 1 real drama and that was the brake vacuum thingy

[Scouse]

It isn't really cheapCompared to??


A mate of mine bought one off a customer of his a year or so ago: Immaculate 98MY, HSE, a few options on top. Needed a motor (liners).

$2000.

[Remy]

Anymore???;)



Compared to??


A mate of mine bought one off a customer of his a year or so ago: Immaculate 98MY, HSE, a few options on top. Needed a motor (liners).

$2000.

[tasi devil]

I know, I work on these on a daily basis, and this is one of my customers cars. I have just got to get a final PUSH from a few people here to help me decide:D I'm glad you have a good one, they ARE nice to drive...:angel:

JC:)

hey Justin..........PUSH=BIG SHOVE :angel:

................tasi

[Chucaro]

Can you fit an isuzu on it?
I love the shape of the p38 :cool:

[justinc]

Compared to??


A mate of mine bought one off a customer of his a year or so ago: Immaculate 98MY, HSE, a few options on top. Needed a motor (liners).

$2000.

:o Mmmmm, not THAT cheap. Maybe I'll give it some more thought.:(

There, that was enough thinking.


If I get the go ahead from SWMBO,(She's sick ATM, and doesn't want to discuss it :eek:) then I'll talk turkey with the owner. No it will remain absolutely stocker, no lift, no winches etc, just a nice clean, original HSE:) for me to use. Thats right, its all about ME:angel:

At my age I deserve a bit of comfort....I'm never parting with the RRC, it is the trip/ touring/ towing rig.

JC

[Chucaro]

forget about the p38 and waith for a 130 Defe to come along, then the Isuzu goes in and you will have a great vehicle!

[51jay]

(I know Jace gave up trying to put a HS 2.8 in one but he wanted to keep the P38 auto box.
How would you go putting in the TDi and the ZF 4HP22

[andrew e]

If it is immaculate as you say, and you obviously know and approve of the history, why not.

A tophat conversion is what, 1500? plus a bottom end rebuild then you will never have to worry about that part again. (even if you want to put another stock 4.6 in pm me, i have 1 left).

Keep it V8, nice and simple. Gas it if you are worried about fuel.


If my wife liked them, she would be driving one instead of her caprice.

If you need to help sway the wife, let her drive one.


Andy

[hiline]

If you need to help sway the wife, let her drive one.

thats how we got ours :D

i didn't want a HSE to start with either herd all the bad stories

so i tried her in a 2000 Patrol first up :angel:

her reply take this thing back where you found it

next was a 100 seriers Crusier:angel:
she drove it no more than 1km and said the same thing

so i grab the 98HSE :D

her reply after a short drive,go talk money with them :D

great cars to drive

[p38arover]

Compared to??


A mate of mine bought one off a customer of his a year or so ago: Immaculate 98MY, HSE, a few options on top. Needed a motor (liners).

$2000.

Davis Performance Landys charged $2200 to fit 8 top hat liners to my block.

[Cap]

Soooooooooooooooo JC,

WHAT ABOUT THE RANGIE????

Is that going to sit in peices for another 12 months? hehehe

If you wanna hand with the rebuild (ie: get you coffee and tools whilst I have a lookie) let me know ;)

[Camo]

I wouldn't touch it.. I wouldn't even take my dads 97 HSE off him even if he gave it to me.

They are a never ending story of problems...

[willem]

I wouldn't touch it.. I wouldn't even take my dads 97 HSE off him even if he gave it to me.

They are a never ending story of problems...

After 9 months and 17 000 kms in mine and I have to say my experience is the opposite. The car is used by the family as a daily driver. We have had a couple of small issues with the EAS which have been sorted, and the heater O rings. For a car with more than 160 000kms on it, thats OK.

JC, you are in the box seat. If you like it go for it. Its a magnificent car!

When you consider that these cars were designed in the early 90s, when the 286 computer was king and the XT was the most common, and the internet was only just beginning, you realise what a magnificent achievement the P38 was.

Willem

[loanrangie]

After 9 months and 17 000 kms in mine and I have to say my experience is the opposite. The car is used by the family as a daily driver. We have had a couple of small issues with the EAS which have been sorted, and the heater O rings. For a car with more than 160 000kms on it, thats OK.

JC, you are in the box seat. If you like it go for it. Its a magnificent car!

When you consider that these cars were designed in the early 90s, when the 286 computer was king and the XT was the most common, and the internet was only just beginning, you realise what a magnificent achievement the P38 was.

Willem

Untill they start to breakdown (and they will) and drain your wallet. I love them but wouldnt take one if it was given to me - well maybe.

[2_door]

WTF !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I remember having this conversation with you about 12 months ago when I was thinking of buying one and and I was ever so politely (well, not very politely at all :p) told to steer clear of them.....wtf JC :twisted::twisted:

fix up the Vogue and it will be miles better than the Pathetic38 ay :p:p:p:p:p:p:p:angel:

[Jock The Rock]

WTF !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I remember having this conversation with you about 12 months ago when I was thinking of buying one and and I was ever so politely (well, not very politely at all :p) told to steer clear of them.....wtf JC :twisted::twisted:

fix up the Vogue and it will be miles better than the Pathetic38 ay :p:p:p:p:p:p:p:angel:

Same same :p

I remember standing next to you in the workshop while a mate of yours (used car salesman) asked you what you thought of them :o

Most of the comments ended in "don't do it" :p

Wouldn't you much prefer that red Isuzu County on the cover of Offroad Tasmania? You know you always wanted a 110 :twisted:


:wasntme:

[justinc]

WTF !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I remember having this conversation with you about 12 months ago when I was thinking of buying one and and I was ever so politely (well, not very politely at all :p) told to steer clear of them.....wtf JC :twisted::twisted:

fix up the Vogue and it will be miles better than the Pathetic38 ay :p:p:p:p:p:p:p:angel:

:D:D:D:D:D

I said this for your own good benefits boy, as I would feel pretty sad having to have your Visa gold card number on file, or speed dial, as the case may be:p

Its alright for me as I can fix my own, (Not that I really want to mind you) I wouldn't recommend one to anyone unless they had the ability/ urge to spend spend spend.:( In their defence, there are quite a few excellent examples about, but if you get a bad one....:eek:

I was only thinking of you:angel::angel:

JC

[Cap]

I strongly suggest you buy it...

[justinc]

Alright, alright you unruly lot. The suggestion of yet another 'project' has been firmly trounced:( As previously mentioned here, "WHY isn't the LSE finished yet?" is the current phrase in use. Frequently.

SOOOO, It looks like I will be finishing the other vehicle FIRST, then IF the other one is available later, I can then bring the subject up again.

There IS a 110 Tdi available at the moment, damaged but cheap and repairable..I've always wanted a 200Tdi model:wasntme:

JC

[Chucaro]

There IS a 110 Tdi available at the moment, damaged but cheap and repairable..I've always wanted a 200Tdi model:wasntme:

JC

Now you are talking, you will be happy with a Defe :)

[2_door]

:D:D:D:D:D

I said this for your own good benefits boy, as I would feel pretty sad having to have your Visa gold card number on file, or speed dial, as the case may be:p

Its alright for me as I can fix my own, (Not that I really want to mind you) I wouldn't recommend one to anyone unless they had the ability/ urge to spend spend spend.:( In their defence, there are quite a few excellent examples about, but if you get a bad one....:eek:

I was only thinking of you:angel::angel:

JC

mmm, and you still want it :angel:

if you want a project, I can sell you a 'only driven on sunday D1' honest :angel:

[bblaze]

Alright, alright you unruly lot. The suggestion of yet another 'project' has been firmly trounced:( As previously mentioned here, "WHY isn't the LSE finished yet?" is the current phrase in use. Frequently.

SOOOO, It looks like I will be finishing the other vehicle FIRST, then IF the other one is available later, I can then bring the subject up again.

There IS a 110 Tdi available at the moment, damaged but cheap and repairable..I've always wanted a 200Tdi model:wasntme:

JC
You could unload your other rangie project to me ( gotta wait for the new shed though), so now you are back to one project.
cheers
blaze

[andrew e]

Davis Performance Landys charged $2200 to fit 8 top hat liners to my block.

did they fit them, or did they charge 2200 to send them out and put a bit on top?

[p38arover]

did they fit them, or did they charge 2200 to send them out and put a bit on top?

They were fitted. I had a look in the machine shop when they were doing it.

[Cap]

A..."WHY isn't the LSE finished yet?"... and ....There IS a 110 Tdi available at the moment, damaged but cheap and repairable..I've always wanted a 200Tdi model:wasntme:...

JC

But doesnt gettnig a 110 tdi equate to another project, like the P38 was? You cant scratch your nuts cos you aint got the time let alone embark on another project (see the better half will agree with me here :p)

Dont you hate it when someone says sensible things, and that's coming from me! :eek: :D

[Camo]

After 9 months and 17 000 kms in mine and I have to say my experience is the opposite. The car is used by the family as a daily driver. We have had a couple of small issues with the EAS which have been sorted, and the heater O rings. For a car with more than 160 000kms on it, thats OK.

JC, you are in the box seat. If you like it go for it. Its a magnificent car!

When you consider that these cars were designed in the early 90s, when the 286 computer was king and the XT was the most common, and the internet was only just beginning, you realise what a magnificent achievement the P38 was.

Willem

I say report back when you have done at least 50 000k's. You will have written a novel by then :p
:wasntme:
Camo

[willem]

I say report back when you have done at least 50 000k's. You will have written a novel by then :p
:wasntme:
Camo

G'day Camo,

I assume you have the experience with P38s that you can comment? At least 50 000 kms worth? :o;)

I am really quite amused by the number of people who do not own a P38 who comment on their supposed unreliability with complete confidence. I reckon my 17 000 kms of experience, though still quite limited, is worth more than someone with zip experience. :angel:

Willem

[Disco_owner]

Just a Thought JC , you could Buy a 4.6 out of a wreck , put it into the P38 and get it mickey-Mouse and then Sell it at a Profit :p

[justinc]

Just a Thought JC , you could Buy a 4.6 out of a wreck , put it into the P38 and get it mickey-Mouse and then Sell it at a Profit :p

The trouble with THAT scenario is that you can't rely on a used motor 100% with these 4.6's.

I would have to offer some sort of warranty if I was to sell it on, and really I wouldn't want to get involved in selling vehicles. I was planning on keeping it for myself, thats why it would get a new Top hat liner 4.6 short engine.

Still, there will be others...:D

JC

[Disco_owner]

The trouble with THAT scenario is that you can't rely on a used motor 100% with these 4.6's.

I would have to offer some sort of warranty if I was to sell it on, and really I wouldn't want to get involved in selling vehicles. I was planning on keeping it for myself, thats why it would get a new Top hat liner 4.6 short engine.

Still, there will be others...:D

JC


I agree , standard 4.6 can be bit unreliable , and if you were to buy a 4.6 and spend $$ on Tophat liners etc and get it mickey mouse you may as well keep it and use it.:)

[2_door]

G'day Camo,

I assume you have the experience with P38s that you can comment? At least 50 000 kms worth? :o;)

I am really quite amused by the number of people who do not own a P38 who comment on their supposed unreliability with complete confidence. I reckon my 17 000 kms of experience, though still quite limited, is worth more than someone with zip experience. :angel:

Willem

you dont have to own one to know they have inherant problems...there's plenty of evidence on this and other forums...I am not neccesarily baggin them, we all know they have their problems,,,maybe just a few more than most cars.

not a criticism, just an observation :angel:

[Cap]

Regardless, they are a very sexy Rover IMHO, ohh yeah! :cool:

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2009/09/1107.jpg

[2_door]

Regardless, they are a very sexy Rover IMHO, ohh yeah! :cool:

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2009/09/1107.jpg

I have to agree, I think they are one of the best looking and potentially capable (with a few mods of course ;) ) 4wd's around and thats why I was looking at getting one. If only they had a better motor.....

I would replace the air suspension with coils...lifted of course, winch bar, lockers, 33's, rear draws, wheel carrier etc etc and it would put a horn on a jelly fish ;)

ohh, the injustice of it all :eek:

[2_door]

is this the sort of project you had in mind JC

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2009/09/1103.jpg

:twisted:

[Disco_owner]

:D That is one Butt Ugly P38 , someone has ruined a perfectly good P38 , if you want a nice short overhang Buy a Defender:wasntme:

[dullbird]

oh my god some people just need to be taken out side...what have they done to that car.....bob tails are for classics and classics only they dont even suit D1's

[roversmith]

oh my god some people just need to be taken out side...what have they done to that car.....bob tails are for classics and classics only they dont even suit D1's

Totally agree Dulldird, but why hasn't any one uted one. Measured our old one up, all good, crossmember in the righ spot,109 wheel base. Bugger, so many ute projects, so little time.:wheelchair::wheelchair::wheelchair:

[Camo]

G'day Camo,

I assume you have the experience with P38s that you can comment? At least 50 000 kms worth? :o;)

I am really quite amused by the number of people who do not own a P38 who comment on their supposed unreliability with complete confidence. I reckon my 17 000 kms of experience, though still quite limited, is worth more than someone with zip experience. :angel:

Willem

Yep about 150 000k's of experience.. oh man I could go on all day with the amount of problems.. brake failure... slipped liners.. new engine...power steering box stuffed.. copious suspension probs (all fixed atm..not rocket science but cost money) now transfer is making a whine yay! now engine stops at idle sometimes.. been to ricks 3 times for that..can't find fault.. will one day though.. just a fricken connection I bet

Oh man I could go all day

To put it this way.. my VYSS has done 165 000k's (hard ones at that) and has never cost me a cent apart from service.. the HSE has just hit 200 000k's and I would say at least 25k in repairs:angel:

Good luck Will:D

PS.. great car to drive.. I shouldn't be bagging the P38 on the forum.. but I reckon they are up there with the freebies with reliability. Id feel better taking my 1990 crapper on a trip:cool:

[justinc]

Yep about 150 000k's of experience.. oh man I could go on all day with the amount of problems.. brake failure... slipped liners.. new engine...power steering box stuffed.. copious suspension probs (all fixed atm..not rocket science but cost money) now transfer is making a whine yay! now engine stops at idle sometimes.. been to ricks 3 times for that..can't find fault.. will one day though.. just a fricken connection I bet

Oh man I could go all day

To put it this way.. my VYSS has done 165 000k's (hard ones at that) and has never cost me a cent apart from service.. the HSE has just hit 200 000k's and I would say at least 25k in repairs:angel:

Good luck Will:D

PS.. great car to drive.. I shouldn't be bagging the P38 on the forum.. but I reckon they are up there with the freebies with reliability. Id feel better taking my 1990 crapper on a trip:cool:

I'm glad you seem to have a good one Willem, but I have to agree with most of what Camo says. I HATE having to make 'those phone calls' to customers, and I have to do it frequently with P38a owners:(
I also agree they are in a class of their own on and off road, but you need a strong constitution and visa card balance to dive into ownership. Even though I have access to trade pricing, all the diagnostics and a well set up workshop AND I know my way around these, I am happier owning my old, high km RRC's.

JC

[justinc]

is this the sort of project you had in mind JC

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2009/09/1103.jpg

:twisted:

That is UUUGGGGLLLLYYYY!:mad: In my capacity as a Moderator, i'd like to delete that photo:p:p...but I'm not allowed to in General chat yet.:)

JC

[adm333]

I guess that makes me the world's biggest idiot.......

I have a P38 and a Freelander.

I keep a running total of what it has cost me in repairs. I have had it for 2 and a half years and done around 45,000 km's, so I'm almost qualified to comment ! So far around 7K in repairs, most of which I believe are necessary maintenance items due on every one of these cars at around 8 - 10 years of age. There are lots of rubber bits - orings, airbags etc that perish over time. They will need to be replaced in order to maintain the excellent ride.

I bought mine for around 20K and it is in VERY good condition.

I look at this way. I am driving a car, originally costing 120K, in good working order for 27K , even if that gets up another 5K I would still prefer to be driving my Range Rover than a falcon or commodore.

Folks, at today's prices and with even 10 - 15 k repairs / overhaul that is still very cheap luxury motoring / 4WD ing.

It also helps if you learn to do a few things yourself.

Good luck with your decision. Once you have bought it and start driving it, you will start to rationalise everything you do as well, because quite simply its difficult to find a nicer ride !!!

And in closing.... Camo.... If its so bad why do you (your Dad) still have it ????? I'm guessing because of what I just said.

Dave

[Camo]

I guess that makes me the world's biggest idiot.......

I have a P38 and a Freelander.

I keep a running total of what it has cost me in repairs. I have had it for 2 and a half years and done around 45,000 km's, so I'm almost qualified to comment ! So far around 7K in repairs, most of which I believe are necessary maintenance items due on every one of these cars at around 8 - 10 years of age. There are lots of rubber bits - orings, airbags etc that perish over time. They will need to be replaced in order to maintain the excellent ride.

I bought mine for around 20K and it is in VERY good condition.

I look at this way. I am driving a car, originally costing 120K, in good working order for 27K , even if that gets up another 5K I would still prefer to be driving my Range Rover than a falcon or commodore.

Folks, at today's prices and with even 10 - 15 k repairs / overhaul that is still very cheap luxury motoring / 4WD ing.

It also helps if you learn to do a few things yourself.

Good luck with your decision. Once you have bought it and start driving it, you will start to rationalise everything you do as well, because quite simply its difficult to find a nicer ride !!!

And in closing.... Camo.... If its so bad why do you (your Dad) still have it ????? I'm guessing because of what I just said.

Dave

hehe thats it..sorry dave for paying out the freebie and P38.. they are worth nothing these days.. spent too much on it to sell. He gave it to me last year but told him I wouldn't take it even if he paid me:p

I reckon he should just trade it in on something else and be done with it as its hardly driven anymore. Just plain unreliable. Shame though as the engine is only 50 000k's old.

Don't get me wrong..they are nice to drive and some people actually get a good run out of them.

PS Ive got an M90 Eaton supercharger fully setup for the 4.6 if anyone wants it for 1k..I bought it for 3.5k a few years ago to give the HSE some sort of power but not gaim enough to throw it on now.

[justinc]

I guess that makes me the world's biggest idiot.......

I have a P38 and a Freelander.

I keep a running total of what it has cost me in repairs. I have had it for 2 and a half years and done around 45,000 km's, so I'm almost qualified to comment ! So far around 7K in repairs, most of which I believe are necessary maintenance items due on every one of these cars at around 8 - 10 years of age. There are lots of rubber bits - orings, airbags etc that perish over time. They will need to be replaced in order to maintain the excellent ride.

I bought mine for around 20K and it is in VERY good condition.

I look at this way. I am driving a car, originally costing 120K, in good working order for 27K , even if that gets up another 5K I would still prefer to be driving my Range Rover than a falcon or commodore.

Folks, at today's prices and with even 10 - 15 k repairs / overhaul that is still very cheap luxury motoring / 4WD ing.

It also helps if you learn to do a few things yourself.

Good luck with your decision. Once you have bought it and start driving it, you will start to rationalise everything you do as well, because quite simply its difficult to find a nicer ride !!!

And in closing.... Camo.... If its so bad why do you (your Dad) still have it ????? I'm guessing because of what I just said.

Dave

Dave,

No you are NOT an idiot, I was making some personal observations based on the vehicles and cutomers I come into contact with. I really love the whole package of the P38a, it was and still is a world beating vehicle on all levels. I would probably have bought this '97 and repaired/ kept it, and may still, if the LSE is finished before it gets sold to someone else as it is a fantastically well kept vehicle. BUT I wouldn't use it like I use my RRC:).

But the Freelander....:eek: Sorry there is no words...:p

JC

[adm333]

Just to be clear, the Freelander is an 04/05 model TD4 and was a dealer demo, so has very low K's.

I know earlier models were plagued with issues, but by this model most of the problems were sorted out.

It goes really well, is great to drive and so far we love it.

I think also, that P38 ownership requires commitment. I understand exactly how you feel Camo. You need to know and be prepared for what its like or my advice would be don't go near it.

I "pity da fool" who picks up an $8K P38 thinking they got a bargain, without knowing exactly what they are in for.

Perhaps there should be a warning ... " A P38 is for life, not just for Christmas"

[Cap]

Just as well we Rover folk are fanatical! But still ive heard of many stories of other vehicles (eg Alfas, BMW's etc) that also cost the owner a bomb.. but if its their baby, its their baby :D

Would it be possible to put a 300tdi, rip all unecessary electricals etc and then have a 'reliable' P38?

[adm333]

Just as well we Rover folk are fanatical! But still ive heard of many stories of other vehicles (eg Alfas, BMW's etc) that also cost the owner a bomb.. but if its their baby, its their baby :D

Would it be possible to put a 300tdi, rip all unecessary electricals etc and then have a 'reliable' P38?


Yep .... you sure can...... Its called "Discovery"

[2_door]

Yep .... you sure can...... Its called "Discovery"

:Rolling::Rolling::Rolling::Rolling::TakeABow:

[Chucaro]

Yep .... you sure can...... Its called "Discovery"

Yes....with heaps of defects after the cosmetic surgery done my an specialist drinking litres of coffee to be awake :p:D:lol2:

[Ace]

i thought about buying a P38A some time back but in the end decided not to, i had the cash to buy it but didnt have the cash to repair stuff if i ended up with a lemon. Maybe one day, as mentioned above they look great, especially some of the newer models with the larger alloys.

[andrew e]

But the Freelander....:eek: Sorry there is no words...:p

JC

I have to agee. It has nothing to do with the KIA motor the earlier ones got, or the different front to back diff ratios either. They just dont look right.


As for that bobtail picture, I like it. If only it was mated up a bit nicer on the roof. Also what are those wheels off?



Andy

[Chucaro]

some Freelanders with "little mods" are not a push over :angel:

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2009/09/1039.jpg

[Cap]

Thats kewl! Cant even recognise it as a Flanders.

[p38arover]

As for that bobtail picture, I like it. If only it was mated up a bit nicer on the roof. Also what are those wheels off?

Early P38A 4.0. Ugly wheels.

[abaddonxi]

Yes.

[justinc]

some Freelanders with "little mods" are not a push over :angel:

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2009/09/1039.jpg

Hmmm, free wheeling hubs and what looks lke a live axle at the front with no struts in sight, outside coil shock mounts, looks like patrol radius rods, possibly a GQ patrol chassis, modded to fit the lightweight flander body on. Looks good though:twisted:

[dullbird]

how the hell did you see all that from that photo where all I can see is a shock...

[justinc]

how the hell did you see all that from that photo where all I can see is a shock...

Front Radius rod, follow it back behind the wheel, there is a Nissan chassis outrigger, and in front of the shock at the bottom there is the end bolt of the front of the radius rod. Also, the FWH are typical of the ones found on early GQ's. There are no McPherson type struts in sight, so at the very least the freeloader front suspension is GONE. (:))
Shock placements are typical of Nissan too.

:):)


I am a smarty pants:):D:p


JC

[dullbird]

you sure are :lol2:

[Cap]

Front Radius rod, follow it back behind the wheel, there is a Nissan chassis outrigger, and in front of the shock at the bottom there is the end bolt of the front of the radius rod. Also, the FWH are typical of the ones found on early GQ's. There are no McPherson type struts in sight, so at the very least the freeloader front suspension is GONE. (:))
Shock placements are typical of Nissan too.

:):)


I am a smarty pants:):D:p


JC

Some people are just freaks of nature, JC, you are one my friend :p

[Chucaro]

Here is the "Basic Mods: freelander in action

YouTube - RAINFOREST MURÇA 2008-CABREIRAAVENTURA

[dullbird]

he got stuck on the first bit :D

I like the look of it, but to be honest that looked like it was really light and bounced more than my friends hilux

[Chucaro]

Yes,but was second in Murca 2008 behind a Defender 90 and in front of LR's, jeeps, Nissans, Toyotas and Mercedez and all are very experienced drivers :eek:

[willem]

I have to agee. It has nothing to do with the KIA motor the earlier ones got, or the different front to back diff ratios either. They just dont look right.


As for that bobtail picture, I like it. If only it was mated up a bit nicer on the roof. Also what are those wheels off?



Andy

They look like RRC wheels to me.

Willem