Stupid question

[mayhem72]

Hello,
I know this is probably a stupid question, but can anyone suggest to me why the new one is called a 'Puma' engine.
Thanks...
:)

[spudboy]

Hello,
I know this is probably a stupid engine, ...
:)

A stupid engine? Oh well...

Puma was the code name for the Ford based engine. The one before that (the TD5) was called Storm (I think).

[mayhem72]

Goodness!
I didn't mean engine, I meant to say stupid question.
It is a fantastic engine.
Sorry for any offense...

[spudboy]

Hey - no problems :D

Thought you must have had a bad experience with one.

[Landy Smurf]

i have often why they called them pumas as well

[Blknight.aus]

cause its a pussy of an engine.

and a puma was the toughest sounding cat name they could come up with which means they can advertise it without getting done for false advertising?

Preforms Under Most Expectations

Puts Useless motorists Everywhere

Practically Useless Minus Electronics.



Asbstoes suit On.

[dullbird]

cause its a pussy of an engine.

and a puma was the toughest sounding cat name they could come up with which means they can advertise it without getting done for false advertising?

Preforms Under Most Expectations...only to you, when you drove one once

Puts Useless motorists Everywhere....thats right all over Australias outback

Practically Useless Minus Electronics....and so are most modern engines these days



Asbstoes suit On that wont save yeah.


and exactly why they came up with the name STORM for the TD5 hey dave;)...now theres a tough name....ooooooohhhhhhhh!!!!! so tough I think I'm going to wet my knickers with fear :lol2:

[Blknight.aus]

actually they called that one storm after the word used to descibe the diatribe of swear words a tech let out when he accidntally touched the business end of the voltage amplifiers for the injectors...


used in conjunction with the word off it describes what most owners do shortly after saying "it'll cost how much" when they ask for every day items like fuel pumps and injectors.


Its also used to describe what turned up in the anoraks teacup when they learnt that their beloved antiquated mechanical injected simplicity had been superseded.

[Sleepy]

cause its a pussy of an engine.

and a puma was the toughest sounding cat name they could come up with which means they can advertise it without getting done for false advertising?

Preforms Under Most Expectations

Puts Useless motorists Everywhere

Practically Useless Minus Electronics.



Asbstoes suit On.

Hey Dave It's PUMA not PUME

Provides Unique Missfire Annoyance.

[spudboy]

Hey Dave It's PUMA not PUME


That's pretty funny. At least he didn't go for PUBE :p

[Blknight.aus]

Thought there was something wrong with the post (thats what drinknig does for ya)

Pretty useless motor anyway

Puts Useless Motorists Anywhere

Provided Unwanted Motoring Anoyances

Putters Under mild Acceleration

Put Underwater, Marine Anchor.

Paying Umbrage Might Assist.

Plays Up most anytime

Pushes up Maintenance Allowance



better?

[spudfan]

I always thought they should have called it the Land Rover Torque Master engine. It does not sound as snazzy as the Puma engine but it would be a good description of it.
People describe it as a little "donk" but was a little "donk" not good enough for Joseph, Mary, and Jesus when they had to get out of Egypt?

[DeeJay]

Or as a Queenslander might describe it.

Pretty underpowered motor ayy?? :D

[Grockle]

Hello,
I know this is probably a stupid question, but can anyone suggest to me why the new one is called a 'Puma' engine.
Thanks...
:)
Sir,

Re your question regarding the engine name for the current Land Rover Defender, it is, 'Performs Usually Most Admirably'

Yours,
Lt.Commander Humphrey(Biffo)Lightwater-Gibbs RN Ret.
(Taken from the 'retired old farts annual')

[spudfan]

and exactly why they came up with the name STORM for the TD5 hey dave;)...now theres a tough name....ooooooohhhhhhhh!!!!! so tough I think I'm going to wet my knickers with fear :lol2:

Hope those new seat covers are waterproof!!!!!:D:D

[Allan]

200tdi cracked heads 300 tdi vacum pump td5 electronics under water, oil pump nut gearbox problems s..t transfur boxes why do we drive this crap, because we love them and I would bet most would swop a 300tdi or td5 defer for my PUMA right now. By the way they go hard, not a pussey like a 300 or td5 (note small letters small performance)

Allan

[Blknight.aus]

betcha wrong I wouldnt swap your puma for any of the landies I drive or have driven. and I reckon I know a stack of people the same. If you were talking about giving it away........

Just ask someone like Ron if he'd swap his rangie for your deefer.

the reason why other engines have little letters for their abbreviations is because they dont need FORD **** speak marketing to sell themselves, calling the governor an anti stall device funniest thing Ive seen in years.




Yes the insulated suit is still on

[RobHay]

and exactly why they came up with the name STORM for the TD5 hey dave;)...now theres a tough name....ooooooohhhhhhhh!!!!! so tough I think I'm going to wet my knickers with fear :lol2:


.....Can I watch? :p:twisted:

[dullbird]

betcha wrong I wouldnt swap your puma for any of the landies I drive or have driven. and I reckon I know a stack of people the same. If you were talking about giving it away........

Just ask someone like Ron if he'd swap his rangie for your deefer.

the reason why other engines have little letters for their abbreviations is because they dont need FORD **** speak marketing to sell themselves, calling the governor an anti stall device funniest thing Ive seen in years.




Yes the insulated suit is still on

Dave seriously there is having a joke and being an outright ****** IMHO.....we get it you don't like the PUMA you would rather drive a td5 that with 5 cylinders over 4 that you have to chip to make it as fast as one......

Now I have to say I'm personally getting a little sick and tired of you coming into the PUMA threads and being so dam right negative!! yes we all have a tease on various models I have done it myself. But seriously mate you take it to the extreme and I'm getting jack of it.

So knock it off or tone it down!! take your pick......

[Blknight.aus]

sok I did the same thing about the td5.... or didnt you read the reply In this very thread?

oh and OOC how many pumas have been in for major repair work for minor faults (since we're now going from tongue in cheek to outright attacks) arent you getting a new engine because they cant work out whats wrong with your fuel/management system?

Tell you what, lets put the total cost of the warranty work and downtime of your puma up against either of my landrovers, infact lets add the total cumulative down time of both my rovers (since fozzy didnt come with a warranty) chuck in the number of times either has gone to limp mode and I bet I still come out in front.

Actually Id rather have an isuzu 4bd1t over any of the electronic engines because its capable of making more power more reliabley for longer and on crappier fuel. (if you want to get really picky about the subject)

[dullbird]

sok I did the same thing about the td5.... or didnt you read the reply In this very thread?

oh and OOC how many pumas have been in for major repair work for minor faults? (since we're now going from tongue in cheek to outright attacks)

arent you getting a new engine because they cant work out whats wrong with your fuel system?

Actually Id rather have an isuzu 4bd1t over any of the electronic engines because its capable of making more power more reliabley for longer and on crappier fuel. (if you want to get really picky about the subject)

No dave I'm sorry mate its not ok......this is NOT the only thread you have done it in so having a little joke about the td5 in here once does not make it ok.

As for the repair work......no one is screaming here that they dont have faults. including the owners....but at least we can talk about them in a constructive manor, even we get negative about our cars BUT no where near as much as you do AND YOU DONT EVEN OWN ONE!!!!!

And dont come the whole repair thing with me dave the TD5 is not faultless neither was the 300tdi. the 300 had big problems with its timing etc...the td5 big problems with its oil in the harness and there are still disco's out there that can't get rid of the 3 amigo's....

We are just getting tired of YOU and your PUMA hating comments...If you don't like them thats fine no one is trying to make you like them but do us a favour and stop! posting in our bloody threads with your negativity. simple!! That way everyone is happy

[Blknight.aus]

No dave I'm sorry mate its not ok......this is NOT the only thread you have done it in so having a little joke about the td5 in here once does not make it ok.


you might want to read up on some of the posts Ive put up based on work Ive done on big red alone.



As for the repair work......no one is screaming here that they dont have faults. including the owners....but at least we can talk about them in a constructive manor, even we get negative about our cars BUT no where near as much as you do AND YOU DONT EVEN OWN ONE!!!!!


Theres a very good reason for that. And just to clarify I didnt even want to own (and still dont) a td5 sadly the decision was thrust upon me which would be why my daily driver is still a series III.



And dont come the whole repair thing with me dave the TD5 is not faultless neither was the 300tdi. the 300 had big problems with its timing etc...the td5 big problems with its oil in the harness and there are still disco's out there that can't get rid of the 3 amigo's....


since thats got nothing to do with the engine itself as they havent yet put the puma donk into anything but a shed specifically and exactly what is your point about the three amigos and if you want to play that line why is the deefer the only landy to get the puma lump? why isn't it also in the discos?

Actually in that case I was specifically putting your puma up against either of the rovers at my place but then I'd also do the same for any of the fleet of landies that I've owned with the exception of kermit which had a lot of problems but they were all related to mods I was doing to it.

[spudboy]

All this, from a simple question about how it got the name 'Puma'....... :mad:

[dullbird]

you might want to read up on some of the posts Ive put up based on work Ive done on big red alone.



Theres a very good reason for that. And just to clarify I didnt even want to own (and still dont) a td5 sadly the decision was thrust upon me which would be why my daily driver is still a series III.



since thats got nothing to do with the engine itself as they havent yet put the puma donk into anything but a shed specifically and exactly what is your point about the three amigos and if you want to play that line why is the deefer the only landy to get the puma lump? why isn't it also in the discos?

Actually in that case I was specifically putting your puma up against either of the rovers at my place but then I'd also do the same for any of the fleet of landies that I've owned with the exception of kermit which had a lot of problems but they were all related to mods I was doing to it.

you really don't get it do you!!!

goodness me I thought you were a lot brighter than that.....what exactly is your point for arguing with me? that you don't slag off the pumas and your not negative in the Puma threads?

[Blknight.aus]

juuuust for poops n giggles...

didnt you turn this one into a slinging match? back here in this http://www.aulro.com/afvb/1068263-post7.html post?

my point is mainly that you're out there saying that I dont sling at other breeds of landy in fact I do and the closest on is in theis very thread.

and if I recall theres a case in another thread where (and Im summating because I really cant be bothered going and digging through the thread and setting up the quotes and the links) some puma owners are telling me that what Im describing happening doesnt actually happen and that since I dont own one how would I know about it (more or less) then someone else comes along and posts a vid of pretty much exactly what I was describing and he owns a puma.

Im actually still trying to work out the relevance of your comment about the three amigos and discos when the fault you're describing is purely to do with discos, has nothing to do with the engine itself and isnt even remotely related to the topic of how the puma engine got its name.

Im also not disagreeing with you that the td5 and other engines dont have faults But then as I said Im perfectly happy to put any of my landrovers up against yours (as previously stated with the exception of kermit) in terms of overall reliability.

you might be getting confused with the comment that was directed to allen about me betting he was wrong. He specifically said that he reconed, no bugger it I'll do a quote for that one


and I would bet most would swop a 300tdi or td5 defer for my PUMA right now. By the way they go hard, not a pussey like a 300 or td5 (note small letters small performance)

Allan

and I replied to the effect of



betcha wrong I wouldnt swap your puma for any of the landies I drive or have driven. and I reckon I know a stack of people the same. If you were talking about giving it away........

Just ask someone like Ron if he'd swap his rangie for your deefer.

the reason why other engines have little letters for their abbreviations is because they dont need FORD **** speak marketing to sell themselves, calling the governor an anti stall device funniest thing Ive seen in years.


in actual fact thats exactly what I wrote indicating that I know a lot of people who wouldnt swap their vehicles a point I can implicate because a lot of people who have td5's have them in discos (and tdi's too) and wouldnt take a puma powered vehicle because its only available in either a transit van which while spacious cant exactly off road with the same finesse as a landy or a defender, which given is more comfortable than a series and has some niceties added to it is, in no way as comfortable or luxusious as say a top spec disc. Theres also the point to be made that a lot of people that have deefers with tdi's and td5's wouldnt swap them because they have put a lot of time and effort into modifying their vehicles in one way or another and have them exactly as they like them. and yes I know the second point has nothing to do with the engine itself its a matter of choice which would be the whole point of making the statement made in the first half of the first paragraph in the quote of my own post that I quoted and the second half infers that if he was talking about giving away his vehicle that I probabley wouldnt mind having it.

Should we extrapolate on that that could be constructed into the argument that I'm not totally opposed to owning a puma powered defender.

questions?

[dullbird]

juuuust for poops n giggles...


didnt you turn this one into a slinging match? back here in this http://www.aulro.com/afvb/1068263-post7.html post?No at that point I was having a tease just like you were


my point is mainly that you're out there saying that I dont sling at other breeds of landy in fact I do and the closest on is in theis very thread. no my point is that you keep coming into threads about pumas and having a go, slag off your own car I couldn't care less but perhaps have some thought about people that are coming on here having just lashed out 56grand and have to read your negative comments..So i will reiterate my main point to you again in regards to not just this post put others knock it off or tone it down......in this comment I didn't say you cant tease I'm asking you to tone it down. wasn't it only the other day I had to ask you and johnr to quit it...as again you were bagging out the puma enough that it upset him to have a go?


and if I recall theres a case in another thread where (and Im summating because I really cant be bothered going and digging through the thread and setting up the quotes and the links) some puma owners are telling me that what Im describing happening doesnt actually happen and that since I dont own one how would I know about it (more or less) then someone else comes along and posts a vid of pretty much exactly what I was describing and he owns a puma.

yes please drag up all the quotes I would like to see especially if I'm being quoted! As quite often in my case what you may describe might not be what we experience may also not be the same as what another Puma owner experiences so I can quite easily say its not what you describe and if you continue on to want to be right I could also back it up with you dont own one...because you DON'T so everything you go of is theory not experience isn't it!..your theory maybe correct in some instances but dont mock the person with the problem by ramming your theory down their throats and copping the arse when they don't agree with you.


Im actually still trying to work out the relevance of your comment about the three amigos and discos when the fault you're describing is purely to do with discos, has nothing to do with the engine itself and isnt even remotely related to the topic of how the puma engine got its name.my only point being related to reliability that most of models of the marque have had problems (enough of a porblem that people didn't want to buy them) however the puma has been released for 2 years here yes it has problems and you have gone out of your way to condem the car without giveing the car a real chance to get sorted....but hey thats your opinion, my point being AGAIN don't force it on others especially the ones that dont want to hear it

Im also not disagreeing with you that the td5 and other engines dont have faults But then as I said Im perfectly happy to put any of my landrovers up against yours (as previously stated with the exception of kermit) in terms of overall reliability.
Why I couldn't give two **** if you want to put my car up against yours I'm quite happy with my cars performance, seems like you feel the need to prove something though

you might be getting confused with the comment that was directed to allen about me betting he was wrong. He specifically said that he reconed, no bugger it I'll do a quote for that one



and I replied to the effect of



in actual fact thats exactly what I wrote indicating that I know a lot of people who wouldnt swap their vehicles a point I can implicate because a lot of people who have td5's have them in discos (and tdi's too) and wouldnt take a puma powered vehicle because its only available in either a transit van which while spacious cant exactly off road with the same finesse as a landy or a defender, which given is more comfortable than a series and has some niceties added to it is, in no way as comfortable or luxusious as say a top spec disc. Theres also the point to be made that a lot of people that have deefers with tdi's and td5's wouldnt swap them because they have put a lot of time and effort into modifying their vehicles in one way or another and have them exactly as they like them. and yes I know the second point has nothing to do with the engine itself its a matter of choice which would be the whole point of making the statement made in the first half of the first paragraph in the quote of my own post that I quoted and the second half infers that if he was talking about giving away his vehicle that I probabley wouldnt mind having it.

Should we extrapolate on that that could be constructed into the argument that I'm not totally opposed to owning a puma powered defender.

questions?

I think it is funny Dave as I feel you have totally missed the main point of my gripe in doing so you have gone on this massive tangent which only seems to support the fact that you hate Pumas and why they are crapper then anything else.....thats lovely, not it truly is.
NOW do you think you might be able to refrain from coming into threads about Pumas and being excessively negative....by all means no one is going to have a go at you for being negative if it is back up with being constructive or you have had first hand experience.

[Chucaro]

IMHO there it is not a faultless of perfect vehicle and that includes the series LR's, Defenders or the Puma.
We are living in a country with freedom of choices and we are fed-up with or existing vehicle there it is nothing to stop us to go and changing it.
I cannot understand the derogative criticism about some vehicles or models but I appreciate the constructive information about their good and bad points,
Regarding the Puma I believe that the owners have made an informative decision when they purchased the vehicle and if they are not happy always can sell it and with the money buy a Td5 and a Tdi300 if thet it is what they want :D

[mayhem72]

All this, from a simple question about how it got the name 'Puma'....... :mad:

I am a little sorry I asked, but still grateful to be a little more aware...

;)

[dullbird]

don't be sorry you asked mate :) doesn't matter what the topic of the thread it usually happens.....

to be honest it would be interesting to know why they kept with that name....I suppose td4 wsa already taken, (I'm only guessing it could of been called that)
perhps TDCI on the side of the car like where the TD5 id and the TDI is would of cost them to much by putting the extra letter on the sticker :lol2:

[Chucaro]

It is only in Oz that call the Defender Puma?
I asking this question because in the LR site in UK the oficial name is Defender
Have a look HERE (http://www.landrover.co.uk/gb/en/vehicles/defender/overview.htm)
And LR South Africa as well, the site is HERE (http://www.landrover.co.za/za/en/vehicles/defender/overview.htm)

[dullbird]

The paper work and bulletins I have come across have Puma written on them in vehicle description.

I did have a bulletin in Italian On my photobucket album I just went and had a lok at to see if it was on there but its too small and I can't see it....so can't answer the question to whether the European paper work is the same or not..sorry

[Chucaro]

Oh well DB, for those that do not like the name Puma, they can get the Defender 2.4 Tdci which is the name of the new Defender in many countries OS :D
It is a bit confusing, OS they call Defender 2.4 Tdci to many models, and Puma to the 5 doors as long as it is not the SVX.

[Blknight.aus]

I think it is funny Dave as I feel you have totally missed the main point of my gripe in doing so you have gone on this massive tangent which only seems to support the fact that you hate Pumas and why they are crapper then anything else.....thats lovely, not it truly is.
NOW do you think you might be able to refrain from coming into threads about Pumas and being excessively negative....by all means no one is going to have a go at you for being negative if it is back up with being constructive or you have had first hand experience.

if I had first hand experience?


like say...

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/technical-chatter/49095-4-way-shoot-out-how-sheds-wheels-have-evolved.html

that thread?

or the assesment driving I got invited to do for them down at pucka?

or the cross country driving I did with them on base side by side alongside big red (not mentioned or posted about due to us not being allowed to take photos on base) and not mentioned because everywhere I got the puma I got big red and where the owner got stuck in the puma he got stuck in big red so there was no real decisive outcome other than I knew the track better than the puma driver.

or the test driving I did in them when I was debating replacing Big Red? (purchasing and re-engineering an alternative motor to replace the td5 is cheaper than the interest payments on a new deefer without the initial 50K+ purchase price)

no, I have no experience in them whatsoever, I'm just making stuff up to **** you off.

or am I?

this from JohnR himself



I done many 1st gear low speed crawls and it has never "lurched" on me?? Maybe it's a different system to the Bushmaster?? It is after all a totally different vehicle and we are talking Puma's aren't we??

1st gear on a puma is lower than most, the only time it hasn't gone slow enough for me I've had to get on the clutch and come down on the brakes


which is a perfect example of why some of the electronic features that you used to have a manual control over and is pointed out again further on down given thread by me thusly


on a downhill descent that isnt a single level grade (ie a rocky downgrade) there is a magic point where it cuts between idle up and over run if you happen to jag it so that its trying to do one then the other due to changing vehicle speed over obstacles on the way down (like that double drop at the top of the line you took into gunshot but worse) and the track is consistantly rough in the right way all the way down you wind up bunny hopping it down.

Ive experienced it but then I was out to do it deliberately and had stacked the deck against the vehicle to make it happen to see if it would. you can also make it happen on the way up a hill if you're in the situation where the high idle isnt giving you enough but you need to slow right down (a torn up shale climb for example) but its nowhere near as noticable...


and immediately after by you...



Must be very magical haven't experienced it yet


so your saying you own one and you havent yet found the limitations of it? JohnR has one and hes found a situation that requires what is basically a dangerous driving technique to circumvent.

this is also covered later in that same thread right after the video post showing that what I was talking about actually happens


one iota pipes in with



Dave,

I can imagine that that could happen particularly when there are mixed conditions: ledges and loose gound.

In the Disco I could use the accelerator and brake together (right foot and left foot) to ease down steps and slatey stuff. I couldn't do that in the Defender because it would have other ideas.

(But the 3dr 95 300Tdi Discovery was the best Land Rover ever made)


he owns one and still recons that a disco is better than it (ok cheap snide shot there) but more to the point identifies that with the new tech of the puma you can no longer drive through the brakes. (Which is only partly true, you can drive through the brakes but it doesnt have the same end effect but thats not something I'd know about not actually owning a puma dispite having actually tried it a couple of times on differing surfaces)

posted by Tim_NZ after my comment about the thread starter wanting to disable the hi-idle not the antistall was this


I'd say so. It can be a bit un-nerving, and some cars seem to be more aggressive with the idle jack than others. My 110 isn't too bad and I have grown used to it.

Tim


which would lead me to believe that its not a constant factor (well how about that Land Rover (technically Ford) building something else with variable quality control)

and finally



It is effectively in every single modern day vehicle with electronic fuel injection.

One of the inputs on an ECU is the engine idle speed. If the ECU decides that the engine is running too slow, it will increase it... Which is exactly what anti-stall is. The only real difference is that the LR guys have tweaked the parameters which it works within and turned it into a 'feature'.

Even the TD5 has 'anti-stall'...

If you don't like it, either learn how to drive it properly or get rid of it!


which pretty much ends that particular thread.

I dont own a bushmaster (any varient), unimog (1700 or 1750 any varient), Mack truck (fleet liner or R series in any varient), m113A1/M577/M548, Perentie (any varient) DRZ600 or any one of the other hundred or so things that I fix and operate on a daily basis so I must by your logic have absolutely no knowledge of those either.

Heres the real kicker.

Lets just say that the quality control of the pumas high idle is somewhat variable and some do nasty things and some don't. lets also say that person X has bought one and jumps on the forum and asks "is there anything I should know about this vehicle before I go and tackle the bewareofthedroptocertaindesrtuction track on mount I'mgunnadiehere?

you say no, go for it. When he hits something and the vehicle doesnt react as he expected it do and causes him to drive round on the brakes and clutch (because he was a newbie four wheeler, doesnt know any better and was expecting the vehicle to make him a four wheel driving god like the ads) then something else happens he panics a little looses traction (because his speed is now high and when he dumps the clutch he pulls off a compression lockup), slides off the track plummetnig to his crinkly squishy seperatist death (diesel vehicles dont explode like in the movies)

I say yes and give a list of things that you'd offhand as me being negative and not owning one just hating on the vehicle. when the vehicel does what it wasn't supposed to do instead of trying to adjust what he was doing drives through it because he knows that its normal. he doesnt drive on the brakes or the clutch and makes it to the bottom because he doesnt have the clutch in when the vehicle overspeeds a little and he never properly breaks traction.

oh, and just by the by....

check this thread....

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/90-110-130-defender-county/66666-defender-anti-stall.html

oh and

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/90-110-130-defender-county/66666-defender-anti-stall.html

that one, in particular
this post
http://www.aulro.com/afvb/847023-post6.html
this
http://www.aulro.com/afvb/848784-post8.html (which if its to be believed indicates that antistall doesnt always work but that lines up with something I've managed to do in a puma deefer and since I don't own one myself to experience it cant possabley be true)

and this post
http://www.aulro.com/afvb/743239-post27.html by me which reads decidedly similar to the one that camel_landy put up that I've quoted earlier.

Yep, I must be jaded against them...

oh wait...


This is the civilised defender. Its the one you buy when you have to buy a utiltarian landrover that the wife needs to drive. the box is a good match to the engine and has a nice short easy gate, the clutch has a sort of over center assist so that once youve got it in and the pedals on the floor it takes less effort to hold it there.


Did you find who said that yet?

you have a nice day now.

[dullbird]

if I had first hand experience?



like say...

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/technical-chatter/49095-4-way-shoot-out-how-sheds-wheels-have-evolved.html

that thread?

or the assesment driving I got invited to do for them down at pucka?

or the cross country driving I did with them on base side by side alongside big red (not mentioned or posted about due to us not being allowed to take photos on base) and not mentioned because everywhere I got the puma I got big red and where the owner got stuck in the puma he got stuck in big red so there was no real decisive outcome other than I knew the track better than the puma driver.

or the test driving I did in them when I was debating replacing Big Red? (purchasing and re-engineering an alternative motor to replace the td5 is cheaper than the interest payments on a new deefer without the initial 50K+ purchase price)

no, I have no experience in them whatsoever, I'm just making stuff up to **** you off.Well you could be for all I know...I dont read all your threads dave they bore me to tears sometimes..so why dont you just say "well when I drove it, it does this...or when I did that it reacted like this..as we know you dont own one why dont you just say? its very easy....or you like to keep us guessing just so you can have petty little arguments like this

or am I?

this from JohnR himself



which is a perfect example of why some of the electronic features that you used to have a manual control over and is pointed out again further on down given thread by me thusly



and immediately after by you...




so your saying you own one and you havent yet found the limitations of it? JohnR has one and hes found a situation that requires what is basically a dangerous driving technique to circumvent.no I haven't hence my comment on it being magical.....If I had then i wouldn't of said that I'm not a liar dave I say it like it is.

this is also covered later in that same thread right after the video post showing that what I was talking about actually happens

did it happen? I thought it was the driver showing the low first was not low enough for what he was doing not that it was bunny hoping down rocks!! that could just of been my interpretation of it though


one iota pipes in with



he owns one and still recons that a disco is better than it (ok cheap snide shot there) but more to the point identifies that with the new tech of the puma you can no longer drive through the brakes. (Which is only partly true, you can drive through the brakes but it doesnt have the same end effect but thats not something I'd know about not actually owning a puma dispite having actually tried it a couple of times on differing surfaces)

again you never say this to back up your claims.......its easy just say like i suggest above

posted by Tim_NZ after my comment about the thread starter wanting to disable the hi-idle not the antistall was this



which would lead me to believe that its not a constant factor (well how about that Land Rover (technically Ford) building something else with variable quality control)

and finally



which pretty much ends that particular thread.

I dont own a bushmaster (any varient), unimog (1700 or 1750 any varient), Mack truck (fleet liner or R series in any varient), m113A1/M577/M548, Perentie (any varient) DRZ600 or any one of the other hundred or so things that I fix and operate on a daily basis so I must by your logic have absolutely no knowledge of those either.

no but you dont work on and drive pumas daily do you..or is that something else your not saying? like I have said in other post I think your a knowledgeable bloke doesn't make you an expert on EVERYTHING

Heres the real kicker.

Lets just say that the quality control of the pumas high idle is somewhat variable and some do nasty things and some don't. lets also say that person X has bought one and jumps on the forum and asks "is there anything I should know about this vehicle before I go and tackle the bewareofthedroptocertaindesrtuction track on mount I'mgunnadiehere?

you say no, go for it. When he hits something and the vehicle doesnt react as he expected it do and causes him to drive round on the brakes and clutch (because he was a newbie four wheeler, doesnt know any better and was expecting the vehicle to make him a four wheel driving god like the ads) then something else happens he panics a little looses traction (because his speed is now high and when he dumps the clutch he pulls off a compression lockup), slides off the track plummetnig to his crinkly squishy seperatist death (diesel vehicles dont explode like in the movies)

I say yes and give a list of things that you'd offhand as me being negative and not owning one just hating on the vehicle. when the vehicel does what it wasn't supposed to do instead of trying to adjust what he was doing drives through it because he knows that its normal. he doesnt drive on the brakes or the clutch and makes it to the bottom because he doesnt have the clutch in when the vehicle overspeeds a little and he never properly breaks traction.

ok so now your getting a little silly here as we both know that people who own the car would all give there honest opinion mine would be that no I have never experienced it, the same as when people come on and ask if there are anythings to worry about as im concerned about reliabilty and should they buy one, I have said on a numebr of occcasions to look as there are a few issues...and others have come on and said mine has never broken down go for it.. (isn't that just the same)

as for the anti stall link you conveniently didn't put in the one where I have said we have managed to stall out in low 1st its hard but it is doable;)
also note in one of your links One_iota hasn't experienced it either..so perhaps he has now after all you did drag up a thread that was started in 08

oh, and just by the by....

check this thread....

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/90-110-130-defender-county/66666-defender-anti-stall.html

oh and

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/90-110-130-defender-county/66666-defender-anti-stall.html

that one, in particular
this post
http://www.aulro.com/afvb/847023-post6.html
this
http://www.aulro.com/afvb/848784-post8.html (which if its to be believed indicates that antistall doesnt always work but that lines up with something I've managed to do in a puma deefer and since I don't own one myself to experience it cant possabley be true)...as above you only have to say...as far as I wass aware from what you had written you drove one once;)

and this post
http://www.aulro.com/afvb/743239-post27.html by me which reads decidedly similar to the one that camel_landy put up that I've quoted earlier.

Yep, I must be jaded against them...

oh wait...


Did you find who said that yet?


you have a nice day now. mmmmmm :no2:

[one_iota]

This is so boring and pointless. I was not going to respond because we've heard it all before but I was bored and the motor racing has finished
.
Dave,

Anyone can compile a scrapbook by cutting out and pasting in the bits that take their fancy.

I wonder what your mission is.

But as I have been quoted I will add that the Defender suits my needs very well....those needs have changed from those that made my Disco "the best Land Rover ever made". I now think that my Defender is the best Land Rover ever made. So go figure.

Have you seen the movie "8 Mile"? A great movie.

Eminem delivers the killer line towards the end and it goes something like this with a Land Rover spin applied:

"Now tell us something about the latest Defender that we don't already know".

:)

[dullbird]

Thought I better put this in


Id love to be able to offer more but Im at the distinct disadvantage of my sum total experience with the engine is less than 120minutes and none of that was doing diagnostics work or spannering so I dont know its nuaces and Im relying on generic principals instead of R/l experience.written by you......this was after you gave me a big low down of what the garage probably never changed on my car to which I replied for you not to be so negative and to give me some good news. from that point on you were very helpful..and I thank you through the best part of that thread.

Like I said before dave never dined you are a knowledgeable guy.....but sometimes just sometimes it gets a little bit frustrating when people come into threads and bag out......with words like believing wankspeak etc etc. You may not personally feel you are bagging them out but that is how I have read a lot of your posts....you are not the only person that does it by far either.

I and I'm sure like other are getting fed up of coming on here and having to defender our ride to people that
1. Just think we talk **** because they work on bigger and better engines
2. just dont believe us even though it is us personally that have experience stuff on it
3. can't stand ford there for our cars must be ****
4. slag the car off because it has electrics
5. slag the car off because it has teething problems

and I'm sure there is many many more....

I can still remember in my head the absolute slating they got before they were even released...

It gets tiresome.......

and these comments didn't help..you knew it was going to ruffle feather because you said you were wereing an asbestos suit.....
now why would it ruffle feathers? if it is not something we are subjected to a lot.

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/90-110-130-defender-county/87880-stupid-question.html#post1068256

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/90-110-130-defender-county/87880-stupid-question-2.html

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/90-110-130-defender-county/87880-stupid-question-2.html#post1068380

I have come to the end here so you can say what you like Dave......
I have done my best to show why it ****es us off so much, I have run out of drive..

Hopefully members after reading this drival might just think for a second how these comments make us feel and when posting them ad a few emoticons to ease the annoyance or even in some case the reality of it and keep it as a joke and or a tease/ribbing!!!

Now I would like to say I'm going to go for a drive in my pussy of an engined car that is under powered and made by people that like to talk wankspeak, but I can't because the car is in the garage having an engine change :lol2:

[crump]

Maybe we should remove the word "question" from the thread title and add "and pointless."

[dullbird]

Maybe we should remove the word "question" from the thread title and add "and pointless."

i would crump but I dont think stupid pointless has a ring to it:D

I can change it to a "stupid question, that turn in to a stupid pointless thread":D

[one_iota]

I just wish that people would use the search engine....:zzz:

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/90-110-130-defender-county/86715-puma-owners-important-message-2.html

[Blknight.aus]

Thought I better put this in

written by you.....

:

yep but thats specifically the amount of spanner turning Ive done on that particular engine, not related to the vehicle as a whole. (and most of that was to work out that the noise in the engine was the acoustic cover worked loose)


Other than the engine (which in its native state is a good bit of kit) theres a few things that just dont make sense on the puma, the same things are mostly on the td5 and also the tdi (from a mechanicing stand point at any rate)


and if you look through the posting history the only slating of the vehicle I did prior to its release was the comments about the engine itself and the problems they'd been having with it as a van motor.

I know how you feel I get the same thing every day at work about choosing to drive a landy and especially a series yet Im almost always the first person called into help when someone gets stuck near base.

The comment about the "anti-stall" thing is an ongoing joke to me, Im heading up to coloundra next weekend I'll get a photo from the advertising blurb and show you why its funny.

and all the things you get about "electrics" have been through the td5 wringers to death.

hey count yourself lucky....

they could have bought it out in a disco, with an auto AND an inbuilt DVD/entertainment unit. Can you imagine how much ammo I'd have to play with then.

[The ho har's]

200tdi cracked heads 300 tdi vacum pump td5 electronics under water, oil pump nut gearbox problems s..t transfur boxes why do we drive this crap, because we love them and I would bet most would swop a 300tdi or td5 defer for my PUMA right now. By the way they go hard, not a pussey like a 300 or td5 (note small letters small performance)

Allan


NUP sorry you are wrong there......not that I dont' like the Puma as such...there biggest downfall is they do not have front vents anymore;) and that is one thing I like most about the fender..besides the shape..colour..handling....oohhh I could go on for hours here:p


Mrs ho har:angel:

[dullbird]

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

Friends......again? https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

[Blknight.aus]

http://www.addemoticons.com/emoticon/animated/AddEmoticons04218.gif

Friends......again? http://www.addemoticons.com/emoticon/animated/AddEmoticons04267.gif

If that was aimed my way

again?

Wasnt aware we'd stopped being friends.

[dullbird]

If that was aimed my way

again?

Wasnt aware we'd stopped being friends.

yes it was you dont think I wanted to be friends with mrs Ho Har did yeah:o:D.

only joking Mrs H ........looking forward to meeting some of you QLD'ers at the expo

[procrastination inc]

"NUP sorry you are wrong there......not that I dont' like the Puma as such...there biggest downfall is they do not have front vents anymore and that is one thing I like most about the fender..besides the shape..colour..handling....oohhh I could go on for hours here"

I know how you feel. My '85 county has little plastic panels where the vents should be. my 2 yo loves peeking through the vents in Doc ('59 SII) Dad's big truck isn't half as much fun

[Allan]

For gods sake , we all drive what we belive to be the best 4x4 in its time. A time when the product was so bad Layland, BMW and Ford thought it was worth saving. Now we have Tata, whoes engine are we going to give s..t to this time, maybe Nisson-Toyota-GM who nows.

Allan

[Chucaro]

With Tata we know that the new Defe will be call Elephant which is good if it have the power to match the name.
Also it is the possibility it will run on curry :wasntme:

[dullbird]

With Tata we know that the new Defe will be call Elephant which is good if it have the power to match the name.
Also it is the possibility it will run on curry :wasntme:

Does that mean if you want it to go faster you have to put in a vindaloo:D..

perhaps they will have to put the vents back in for when it farts:p

[Chucaro]

Please rename the thread "Stupid question in a Nonsense Thread" :D:D

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Hello,
I know this is probably a stupid question, ....Sorry for going back to the beginning of the thread, but the title got to my funny bone.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2009/09/1007.jpg

Quote: "There are no stupid questions, just stupid people!"

[Allan]

Some one with a brain, why is it a bloody puma (small letters note)

Allan:p:p:p:p:p:p:p

[dullbird]

Seems this question has also been asked in the uk

Whys it called a Puma - Land Rover UK Forums

Defender to be renamed?? - LR4x4 - The Land Rover Forum (http://forums.lr4x4.com/index.php'showtopic=10218)

[spudboy]

Some one with a brain, why is it a bloody puma (small letters note)

Allan:p:p:p:p:p:p:p

I thought I had a reasonable go at doing that in the 2nd post in this thread :D

[dullbird]

I thought I had a reasonable go at doing that in the 2nd post in this thread :D

allan probably fell asleep once reading your thread and making his way to the end to post....he probably forgot:D

[Allan]

No not asleep, but now I know why I enjoy watching Queensland v NSW rugby games so much.:cool::cool::cool:
Allan

[woody]

This is what I like about this forum.... a group of people passionate about there vehicles so much so that it may seem like they'll come to blows when defendering the honour of there particular choice of vehicle.

I love my 300tdi and wouldn't part with her but i still dream about taking the latest and greatest for a test drive and fantacise about owning a new Landy.;)

[abaddonxi]

Puma?

It's a Mac thing.

:D:D:D

[Sprint]

200tdi cracked heads 300 tdi vacum pump td5 electronics under water, oil pump nut gearbox problems s..t transfur boxes
seems it all went downhill after the Isuzu was dropped....

I would bet most would swop a 300tdi or td5 defer for my PUMA

next trick is to try finding someone who wants to SELL thier Isuzu powered LR.....

[Allan]

:oIt has been so many sleeps since this thread. What was the original submission

Allan