Army Rovers?

[slt]

Convinced a mate of mine (old Pootrol driver) that Land Rover should be his next 4WD :angel:

Now he's got his eyes on one of those olive green jobs, but doesn't know where he might get one from...

Anyone know if the Army sells Perenties that have reached their 'use by' date? Auction maybe?

Or should I convince him that it's a bad idea and get a civvy truck instead?

Any advice appreciated...

[JDNSW]

Convinced a mate of mine (old Pootrol driver) that Land Rover should be his next 4WD :angel:

Now he's got his eyes on one of those olive green jobs, but doesn't know where he might get one from...

Anyone know if the Army sells Perenties that have reached their 'use by' date? Auction maybe?

Or should I convince him that it's a bad idea and get a civvy truck instead?

Any advice appreciated...

There has been a lot of discussion on here about the availability of Perenties, and a search would find it. But to summarise - while a replacement has been decided, to date virtually none have been sold so far and it will be another year or more before any are likely to come on the market.

There are a very few around, but because of their scarcity they tend to be very expensive compared to the equivalent civilian ones. Until the replacements start coming in, the army has generally refurbished ones that have reached their use by date, and mostly the only ones to reach civilian hands are ones deemed to be beyond economic repair as the result of an accident.

Better value is likely in a civilian one, and there are a lot more to choose form.

John

[lardy]

There has been a lot of discussion on here about the availability of Perenties, and a search would find it. But to summarise - while a replacement has been decided, to date virtually none have been sold so far and it will be another year or more before any are likely to come on the market.

There are a very few around, but because of their scarcity they tend to be very expensive compared to the equivalent civilian ones. Until the replacements start coming in, the army has generally refurbished ones that have reached their use by date, and mostly the only ones to reach civilian hands are ones deemed to be beyond economic repair as the result of an accident.

Better value is likely in a civilian one, and there are a lot more to choose form.

John

John exactly the case with WOLF variants in the U.K. the MOD haven't released any and the only ones available are copies(why would you bother?) and right offs that have been repaired to sell but saying that they are not necessarily repaired to REME workshop standards and again not necessarily repaired by the army at all, so god only knows what you are buying.
And i think it may well be a long time before they start coming through due to the tightening of belts due to the hit from the recession in the U.K.

[Blknight.aus]

from the rustling in the documentations......

you might start seeing them mid to late next year. (but dont hold your breath)

my buck says 5-7 years.

[jplambs]

Out of curiosity, what are they replacing them with? Is it the Bushmasters? Surely they will still have to have a light vehicle similar to the Perenties as well.

[THE BOOGER]

Gwagen, apparently but the way things change might have to wait and see what shows up on the docks:) i say sell one to me then remanufacture the landies:cool:

[Aussie Mudrat]

Definitely G-Wagen, in 4x4 and 6x6 variants including modular load carrier (euro pallet) and troop carrier. MB may bring out the G-Wagen into Aust in a basic commercial spec as well the luxo barge that they currenly flog in the middle east (can anyone say "Five-litre-supercharged-V8-in-a-proper-4wd" without closing their eyes?) relax, the price being proposed is in the range of $90-$120k, so any post TDCi Defender will have plenty of competition when they finally work out how much they can charge for an "enthusiast's vehicle".

ALSO a brand spanking new fleet of trailers made in Aust by Haulmark, which means..........................
................. keep your eyes out for pintle-eye 1/2 ton trailers comming on the market.
The number of times I had to push those things around with only one wheel, up hills, full of jerry cans etc, you'd think I'd never want to see another one again.

[weeds]

................. keep your eyes out for pintle-eye 1/2 ton trailers comming on the market.
The number of times I had to push those things around with only one wheel, up hills, full of jerry cans etc, you'd think I'd never want to see another one again.


i could never work out the relevence of doing that.....considering the trailer was mostly always empty and the spare tyre would always be at the top of the hill:angel:

hang on.........do i know why..........nope

[GS-ADI]

I hate the idea of the Auto boxes, :( and the mercs look like toyotas :(

[lambrover]

I hate the idea of the Auto boxes, :( and the mercs look like toyotas :(

Auto box's are great offroad and better for the army as you get less driver induced transmission failures. I had a v8 auto disco it was great offroad you have so much control and it is handy going over large rocky tracks.

[GS-ADI]

Im still very fond of the good old stall start,

[jplambs]

Just found this while spending an evening looking at Defenders for sale and wishing that I had more money to spend. ;) Land Rover 110 County/Ex Perentie - Trading Post (http://www.tradingpost.com.au/Automotive/Used-Cars/4WD-Wagons-SUVs/AdNumber=TP002859447?BackToResult=true) Absolutely no idea about the vehicle other than what is on the site, but it is what your mate wanted so you never know.

[Blknight.aus]

no, sorry but no.... its not a perentie.

[jplambs]

? Sorry for my ignorance blacknight, would you mind explaining? Thanks.

[GS-ADI]

“Ex Australian Army Perentie (Truck, Utility, Lightweight, MC2 FFR)”
It reads like the guy has a LWP handy,..

[George130]

If you are going on costs then the replacements are what 20-30 years away?
Do thy even have money for fuel?

[NME]

Out of curiosity, what are they replacing them with? Is it the Bushmasters? Surely they will still have to have a light vehicle similar to the Perenties as well.

Hawkei - I hadn't heard of them 'till today, can't find much info on them though.

[Shonky]

No, the hawkei is not replacing the Perentie...

The Mercedes G-Wagen has been ordered en-masse to replace the Land Rover fleet. Details are sketchy as to their due date, but it's not going to be tomorrow. ;)

[DeeJay]

No, the hawkei is not replacing the Perentie...

The Mercedes G-Wagen has been ordered en-masse to replace the Land Rover fleet. Details are sketchy as to their due date, but it's not going to be tomorrow. ;)

Looks like the goalposts just got moved....

Australian troops offered new ride: the Hawkei (http://www.theage.com.au/national/australian-troops-offered-new-ride-the-hawkei-20090929-gaqv.html)


Cut & paste attempt..

Australian troops offered new ride: the Hawkei
September 29, 2009
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/06/968.jpg A mock-up of Thales' new Hawkei military vehicle. Photo: Thales

Australian soldiers could find themselves going to war in a vehicle named after a venomous snake - a thoroughly modern version of the tried and proven old Land Rover.
Defence company Thales has unveiled a mock-up of its new Hawkei (pronounced Hawk-eye) protected light mobility vehicle which is to be offered to the Australian Defence Force under a project to replace about 1,300 Land Rovers with far more advanced vehicles.
Despite its long and proven service, the Land Rover offers minimal protection against the type of threat certain to be encountered in any future conflict - landmines, improvised explosive devices and gunfire.
Thales Australia managing director Chris Jenkins says scarcely a week passes without a report of attacks on Australian troops in Afghanistan from IEDs, mines or small arms and often all three, underlining the need for troops to be protected.
"The tragic outcomes for coalition forces when attacks have been made on inadequately protected vehicles have been all too clear and unfortunately too frequent reminders of this need for greater protection," he said in Canberra on Tuesday.
Thales has established its new vehicle will protect ADF personnel from ballistic and blast threats that regularly destroy commercial and military off-the-shelf vehicles of greater size and mass.
The company's first priority is to supply the ADF but there is also vast potential for export sales, Mr Jenkins says.
"There are over 50,000 Land Rover-type vehicles unprotected or struggling to be protected around the world.
The Hawkei at seven tonnes and with its levels of protection had unique capability.
Thales land systems head Ian Irving said the ADF wanted unparalleled levels of protection and survivability, mobility and payload in a seven-tonne package able to be transported in the cargo sling of a Chinook helicopter.
"The ADF needs these vehicles now," he said, adding prototypes would be delivered at the end of 2010 for trials in 2011.
A contract is likely by 2012 and production "shortly thereafter".
Hawkei, named after a species of Australian death adder, follows Thales' highly successful Bushmaster, a 15-tonne armoured vehicle manufactured at Bendigo, Victoria, and used by Australian and Dutch troops in Afghanistan.
The new vehicle can carry five soldiers and is powered by a Steyr V6 diesel engine, giving it a top speed in excess of 110 km/h and a range of more than 1,000 kilometres.

AAP

[Blknight.aus]

no, sorry but no.... its not a perentie.

That I know of there are at least 2 of these vehicles kicking around I know one is over in perth and is long dead

I checked out another and it was pretty rotten.

I think how it came about is someones got hold of some dead chassis and fitted a white county body over the top of it. The one that I checked out last was in sydney about 5 years ago Civvy engine lt85 gearbox and power steering on a GS Style chassis. There was severe damage to the right hand side of the chassis with all of right side outriggers repaired and rewelded (badly) with a cold gal paint over.

IMHO if you want to call it a perentie you must have the perentie body and the chassis ideally with the same engine and gearbox.

I had assumed that this was that one moved on.

[Aussie Mudrat]

Sounds like the Hawkei (5pax) is a smaller version of the Bushmaster (9pax) battle taxi. Protected mobility is more and more essential for Warlike operations but there is still plenty of need for non-protected light vehicles - lugging 2t of vehicle vs 7t, such as for disaster relief, reconnaissance, etc.

Thales might be trying the old Defence contractor's trick of saying they have ADF interest to get foreign military sales interest. There are plenty of these type of truck about, the best being the IVECO 4120 (think that is the model), 3 times the payload of the HMMWV, better protection, better fuel use, etc, etc.

The new Merc G-wagens also have aplique armour kits that do a reasonable job as well.