Disabling SRS?

[Rangier Rover]

In 94 some Disco's had no SRS or ABS etc. Soooooo< is there any leagle isues with taking the SRS out of a 94 Disco in NSW for blue slip. I've made a few phone calls but not getting the right answers yet:(

Thanks Tony

[langy]

To start you on your way - if you look at your compliance plate, you'll notice that your disco is a class MC type of vehicle ( 4wd / SUV ). Then, cross reference the ADR's for SRS and you should find that MC vehicles are not required to have SRS as a standard fitment.

Once you can show the person doing the inspection that clause, the only argument I can think of is to do with whether or not a factory option has to remain in a vehicle.

I did some research on the topic some time ago when there was a thread about bullbars on D1's with SRS and crush cans.

As to reality - hard to say. A tip is that the dash pod has to be dissambled in order to remove the SRS circuit board and bulb so it doesn't light up. A normal steering wheel and grab handle for the empty spot on the dash does help.

[d2dave]

There was a big discussion about this a few years ago on LROCV forum.
The conclusion was that if SRS was an option and not standard it could then be removed, not disabled. This means you have to get the necessary dash parts from a non SRS vehicle.

Dave.

[Rangier Rover]

Have just spoken with two local blue slippers and they say I cant take it out as will come up as fitted with the numbers:( I just hope I can get the fault cleared for now.

[d2dave]

I'm glad I live in Vic.

Dave.

[scott oz]

What the do blue slip (BS) blokes mean come up with numbers?

If the ADR doesn't require them and the system is removed it’s not up to the BS bloke to decide you need to refit.

Problem is he's got the pen and you need the "tick" in the right spot.

Anyhow not sure in NSW they'd know? They use a brake deceleration thing to test if the brakes are pulling up correctly or not.

[Rangier Rover]

We are talking air bags. Apparently when the vin number goes into the RTA it come up as a fitment to this model.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

In my enquiries to the Technical Department NSW RTA about similar issues but not airbags, once a safety device is fitted you are not permitted to remove them without an engineers report, this even includes items not included in the vehicle's ADR specs.

It is the same with seat-belts fitted to pre-ADR vehicles, once fitted they have to be maintained and worn.

At least that is what they said, but knowing the RTA the next officer may give a different answer.

Diana.

[PLR]

We are talking air bags. Apparently when the vin number goes into the RTA it come up as a fitment to this model.

G`day ,

Sounds like they tell a good story or maybe just plain old BS .

The trouble is the vin is not that intricate and there are no numbers or letters that denote SRS .

Cheers

[RRV80]

A vin number of a vehicle can tell you everything, exterior/interior color, leather/cloth, if it is fitted with abs or srs - so basiclly as said above, if a safety device was fitted it can't be removed (although you can get away wit it if you get the right person), in all honesty why would you want to remove airbags, they dont go off off road (i have had hard hits the only thing that happens is the hazards go off (inertia sensor) if the light is on, get it fixed rarely is it a major problem the most common being the drivers airbag circut which usually leads to the clock spring behind the steering wheel which is about $80 from a land rover dealer. (does your cruise/horn work, these are the early signs as the clock spring going ie my horn works but the light comes on the dash for srs sometimes, and the cruise buttons dont work)

Airbags and abs are a good thing, i can never see why people want to remove them - with abs, you just have to learn to drive differently off road, same with live axle or ifs, you just need to handle situations differently.

[Utemad]

When I body lifted my Rodeo in Qld I asked the govt inspection guys if it was alright to disable the airbags if they were an optional fitment. They said it was alright to remove them. I took that to mean that you had to remove the system and not just disable them.

Never followed it up though as I don't have them anyway.

[PLR]

[QUOTE=RRV80;1083866]A vin number of a vehicle can tell you everything, exterior/interior color, leather/cloth, if it is fitted with abs or srs -

G`day RRV80 ,

it`s good that you have this information .

Would you mind explaining where in a Land Rover Vin it is found ?

I know on some makes it is possible to find from a code but am not aware of how it is found in a Land Rover vin .

If i give you the vin of a Land Rover vehicle can you give me the everything you mention above ?

Cheers

[isuzurover]

[QUOTE=RRV80;1083866]A vin number of a vehicle can tell you everything, exterior/interior color, leather/cloth, if it is fitted with abs or srs -

G`day RRV80 ,

it`s good that you have this information .

Would you mind explaining where in a Land Rover Vin it is found ?

I know on some makes it is possible to find from a code but am not aware of how it is found in a Land Rover vin .

If i give you the vin of a Land Rover vehicle can you give me the everything you mention above ?

Cheers

I agree, I see nothing in the VIN which states if airbags are fitted

Region S Europe
Country A United Kingdom
Manufacturer L British Leyland / Land Rover
Model LD Range Rover Classic
Wheelbase H 110" / 147"
Body type M 5-door station wagen
Engine V 3.5-litre, V8 Carburetted Petrol
Steering / Transmission 1 RHD, 4-speed
Model year 2 2002
Assembly location 3 UNKNOWN
Serial number 456789

[Tombie]

Vin or No VIN, its a moot point... ;)

Removal of a 'safety' system fitted to the vehicle at time of manufacture is illegal...:angel:

[Rangier Rover]

The debate we have here is very similar to what I'm getting talking to various people in the automotive industry around here.
How can they call these things safe when I shouldn't put my younger child in the front wile I have the rear seat down? Ever seen what happens to some people if these things do deploy:eek:

On the fault code I have just found the previous owner had made a post here a wile back. Apparently drilled a hole and took out the wire to the passengers side, joined them up and the SRS light has stayed on.

I know very little about how it works in a disco.

I'm going to talk to an engineer today about removing it in case we can't make it behave as it should.

I don't have gear to read or clear the fault codes:( The locals repairers here are not sure if theirs will either. I'll have to take it in and try it to see what happens.
All this SRS has to be sorted out before I do any repairs to the front end.
If it all goes sour I'll be forced to part it out. Bit of a shame if this happens as would make a good runabout for my wife and kids wile we rough this bloody drought out here.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

...
How can they call these things safe when I shouldn't put my younger child in the front wile I have the rear seat down? Ever seen what happens to some people if these things do deploy:eek:
...
Wrong but also correct!

Airbags are a tremendous safety improvement for single impact crashes they reduce a number of potentially fatal injuries.

The problem is that they were designed for adults and to deploy towards the chest, unfortunately, a child sits much lower than an adult and the bag deploys at their neck and can force the head into a neck-breaking whiplash condition.

Airbags also don't help much after the first impact in a multiple impact crash. i.e. when a car impacts another car, bounces, spins then impacts with a tree or road barrier.

In the USA PRS airbags can have an isolating switch installed however in Au legislation does not exist to isolate the airbags, possibly because with our SRS airbags we haven't developed the crash statistics to prove that our airbags injure children as much as they do in the US.

Diana

[d2dave]

Vin or No VIN, its a moot point... ;)

Removal of a 'safety' system fitted to the vehicle at time of manufacture is illegal...:angel:

I go to buy a new car and the salesman asks "would you like SRS"
I say "Sounds good, is it standard or an option?"
he says "For your model it is an option. Will cost you an extra $3000."
I reply "It is a bit pricey do I have to have it?"
He replies "No you don't have to have it but air bags are a good safety system"
I think about it and I decide to get SRS.

After I drive the car out of the showroom I hear a story on the radio about young children and airbags and since I have four young children I change my mind and decide I don't want SRS.

So what your saying here Tombie2 is stiff, I can't change my mind.

Dave.

[PLR]

Vin or No VIN, its a moot point... ;)

Removal of a 'safety' system fitted to the vehicle at time of manufacture is illegal...:angel:

You could have a point , i was only pulling his leg because i know such information as colour ,srs.abs ect can`t be found in a Land Rover VIN .

My point was that the Blue Slip bloke and then RRV80 are both telling this Rangier Rover fellow that the information will come up else where or on the Government computer because of the VIN information which it won`t .

A usual circle has 360 degrees this type of SRS system is limited to 60 degrees in total off centre according to LandRover infomation , that is it only works 30 degrees either side of dead center in a frontal .

So other than a full or almost head on it`s not alot of use and the reason why many are seen in wrecker yards with bags intact .

As there is nothing off the vehicle to say the vehicle has SRS fitted and it is of an era when both SRS fitted and NON SRS fitted vehicle were produced side by side , no vin difference , how in this particular case , if Rangier Rover remover the SRS would anyone other that him be the wiser , if not posted here of coarse ?

Our RR has a very similar system fitted if it was removed it would be obvious because all Australian softdash RR have SRS .
It has nothing to say it has SRS in the Vin or paper work only labels etc on the vehicle but as all Aust Softys RR have SRS it has to be there and work .
In the parts manual it says SRS is an option , so some countrys don`t have SRS equiped Softys but in AU they all do .

If you were talking one of these i`d agree with you possibly but as it`s a Discovery i don`t .

Cheers

[Sprint]

RR: why have the inspectors failed your vehicle? from what you've said, the airbag warning light is on....

now, a form of cheating for this issue would be to simply remove the bulb from the warning light...... :wasntme:

fault would still exist though!


In the USA PRS airbags can have an isolating switch installed however in Au legislation does not exist to isolate the airbags, possibly because with our SRS airbags we haven't developed the crash
theres at least one vehicle in Australia with a switch to disable the passenger side airbag - open the glovebox in a current shape triton and you'll see it.....

[dullbird]

can you not just put the car on a comp at a garage that has one and find out what it is causing the problem then have the light extinguished?

[RRV80]

what do you think they give a serial number for, it is for that vehicle and that vehicle only, of course, land rover knows what that car with that serial number had in it when it left their factory - IE COLOR, i challenge anyone on here to come and have a look at my car and find a paint code - you wont. Ring up land rover give them the vin and wow its is plymouth blue, its not hearsay i have done it guys, and i ordered the touch up paint from LR. Why do you think if you order parts for alot of cars genuine they ask for the lat 6-9 digits of the vin - they need to know exactly what car it is, not that is was made in uk at solohil, they know that. Alot of people probably will never have to ring up and give the last digits of the vin to the dealer, but if you order almost anything for a jeep, hyundai holden or most other cars they ask, they probs wont ask the public becasue most probs have no idea what a vin is.

I never said it would come up on the govt computer at all.

Ok yes i have a softdash RR so yes they all had them, and i have never heard of a softdash not having them but i could be wrong.

And every car has a different vin, if it was built one after the other it has a different vin.

It will still fail if the bulb is removed, the light must illuminate as a system self check, if it doesnt the system in still faulty.


"I agree, I see nothing in the VIN which states if airbags are fitted

Region S Europe
Country A United Kingdom
Manufacturer L British Leyland / Land Rover
Model LD Range Rover Classic
Wheelbase H 110" / 147"
Body type M 5-door station wagen
Engine V 3.5-litre, V8 Carburetted Petrol
Steering / Transmission 1 RHD, 4-speed
Model year 2 2002
Assembly location 3 UNKNOWN
Serial number 456789 - this is the part we are interested in - where is your breakdown for this code - you wont get it casue only LR has this info

Perfect example 1: Ring up LR and try and order the clock spring (the part behind the steering wheel that joints the horn/cruise buttons and srs wiring to the column while allowing the steering wheel to turn) - they need to know the vin to give you the right one, and they are different between airbag and non airbag vehicles - and i know for certain they are becasue i tried the use the one out a non airbag disco in and airbag disco and it doesnt have enough wires. After having 4 range rovers ranging from 77 - 94 and a 95 and 96 disco i am starting to get to know what is interchangeably by now.

Im am tired of being bullied on this forum, simply ask where in the vin would you find it rather than posting all that other rubbish saying that i'm definatly wrong and it is not there at least give the benifit of the doubt, ring up LR give them you vin and ask them what color it is, if they cant tell you, i wouldn't go anywhere near them.

Sorry if i sound annoyed, i spose i am just a young idiot 19yo qualified mechanic that doesnt know anything, i'm just young and think i know everything, and i can tell you now, i dont, but just because (i am certain) that nearly all of you are older doesn't mean you are right all the time either. I order parts from different dealers every day, giving the vin every time is bloody annoying, but if you actually ask them whey they need it it all becomes apparent, and it sint just to make their lives easier to find the part on their system, like stupid things for example Hyundai sontata between january and november 96 have two or three different types of aircon tensioners, and the vin can tell the dealer which one it has - **** you not!!! - so why cant it tell you everything else - it can!

And this is going to open up a whole can of worms so give me sec while i go and hide.

[B92 8NW]

Hand that man a beer ^^^.

[PLR]

what do you think they give a serial number for, it is for that vehicle and that vehicle only, of course, land rover knows what that car with that serial number had in it when it left their factory - IE COLOR, i challenge anyone on here to come and have a look at my car and find a paint code - you wont. Ring up land rover give them the vin and wow its is plymouth blue, its not hearsay i have done it guys, and i ordered the touch up paint from LR. Why do you think if you order parts for alot of cars genuine they ask for the lat 6-9 digits of the vin - they need to know exactly what car it is, not that is was made in uk at solohil, they know that. Alot of people probably will never have to ring up and give the last digits of the vin to the dealer, but if you order almost anything for a jeep, hyundai holden or most other cars they ask, they probs wont ask the public becasue most probs have no idea what a vin is.

I never said it would come up on the govt computer at all.

Ok yes i have a softdash RR so yes they all had them, and i have never heard of a softdash not having them but i could be wrong.

And every car has a different vin, if it was built one after the other it has a different vin.

It will still fail if the bulb is removed, the light must illuminate as a system self check, if it doesnt the system in still faulty.


"I agree, I see nothing in the VIN which states if airbags are fitted

Region S Europe
Country A United Kingdom
Manufacturer L British Leyland / Land Rover
Model LD Range Rover Classic
Wheelbase H 110" / 147"
Body type M 5-door station wagen
Engine V 3.5-litre, V8 Carburetted Petrol
Steering / Transmission 1 RHD, 4-speed
Model year 2 2002
Assembly location 3 UNKNOWN
Serial number 456789 - this is the part we are interested in - where is your breakdown for this code - you wont get it casue only LR has this info

Perfect example 1: Ring up LR and try and order the clock spring (the part behind the steering wheel that joints the horn/cruise buttons and srs wiring to the column while allowing the steering wheel to turn) - they need to know the vin to give you the right one, and they are different between airbag and non airbag vehicles - and i know for certain they are becasue i tried the use the one out a non airbag disco in and airbag disco and it doesnt have enough wires. After having 4 range rovers ranging from 77 - 94 and a 95 and 96 disco i am starting to get to know what is interchangeably by now.

Im am tired of being bullied on this forum, simply ask where in the vin would you find it rather than posting all that other rubbish saying that i'm definatly wrong and it is not there at least give the benifit of the doubt, ring up LR give them you vin and ask them what color it is, if they cant tell you, i wouldn't go anywhere near them.

Sorry if i sound annoyed, i spose i am just a young idiot 19yo qualified mechanic that doesnt know anything, i'm just young and think i know everything, and i can tell you now, i dont, but just because (i am certain) that nearly all of you are older doesn't mean you are right all the time either. I order parts from different dealers every day, giving the vin every time is bloody annoying, but if you actually ask them whey they need it it all becomes apparent, and it sint just to make their lives easier to find the part on their system, like stupid things for example Hyundai sontata between january and november 96 have two or three different types of aircon tensioners, and the vin can tell the dealer which one it has - **** you not!!! - so why cant it tell you everything else - it can!

And this is going to open up a whole can of worms so give me sec while i go and hide.

G`day RRV80

Thanks for that and well done , you`ve taught me something i didn`t know .

Don`t take things to heart , words on the screen don`t give the same feeling as talking face to face .

Cheers

[discoveryseries1]

i had the same prob, i fitted a bull bar to a disco, i had the cance to buy a 500 $ bar or pay an extra 1000 for a srs bull bar, chances are that the bag may not even deploy because it according to lr is exprired ( 10 years or older get it replaced) how ever, do i fit a none airbag bar to the truck or spend an extra 1000 to have a srs compatibul bar fitted. well all things considerd if i was in an accadent the insurance can opt to have pulled out if there was a none compatibul bar fitted with an srs system., its like getting busted dui and they pull the insurance from it. on the other hand, i dident want to put my family at any more risk not having the impact ubsorbers on the front., conclusion, i did the right thing and now i have peace of mind and maby a bit more protection.

other thing to consider, if the veichal is ever sold after it is modified, some one can beleave they are protected and not be, not having the option to have it or not. some people dont know what the diff looks like between the diffrent steering wheels and glove boxes. hope you get things sorted.

[dullbird]

what do you think they give a serial number for, it is for that vehicle and that vehicle only, of course, land rover knows what that car with that serial number had in it when it left their factory - IE COLOR,
i challenge anyone on here to come and have a look at my car and find a paint code - you wont. Ring up land rover give them the vin and wow its is plymouth blue, its not hearsay i have done it guys, and i ordered the touch up paint from LR. Why do you think if you order parts for alot of cars genuine they ask for the lat 6-9 digits of the vin - they need to know exactly what car it is, not that is was made in uk at solohil, they know that. Alot of people probably will never have to ring up and give the last digits of the vin to the dealer, but if you order almost anything for a jeep, hyundai holden or most other cars they ask, they probs wont ask the public becasue most probs have no idea what a vin is.

I never said it would come up on the govt computer at all.

Ok yes i have a softdash RR so yes they all had them, and i have never heard of a softdash not having them but i could be wrong.

And every car has a different vin, if it was built one after the other it has a different vin.

It will still fail if the bulb is removed, the light must illuminate as a system self check, if it doesnt the system in still faulty.


"I agree, I see nothing in the VIN which states if airbags are fitted

Region S Europe
Country A United Kingdom
Manufacturer L British Leyland / Land Rover
Model LD Range Rover Classic
Wheelbase H 110" / 147"
Body type M 5-door station wagen
Engine V 3.5-litre, V8 Carburetted Petrol
Steering / Transmission 1 RHD, 4-speed
Model year 2 2002
Assembly location 3 UNKNOWN
Serial number 456789 - this is the part we are interested in - where is your breakdown for this code - you wont get it casue only LR has this info

Perfect example 1: Ring up LR and try and order the clock spring (the part behind the steering wheel that joints the horn/cruise buttons and srs wiring to the column while allowing the steering wheel to turn) - they need to know the vin to give you the right one, and they are different between airbag and non airbag vehicles - and i know for certain they are becasue i tried the use the one out a non airbag disco in and airbag disco and it doesnt have enough wires. After having 4 range rovers ranging from 77 - 94 and a 95 and 96 disco i am starting to get to know what is interchangeably by now.

Im am tired of being bullied on this forum, simply ask where in the vin would you find it rather than posting all that other rubbish saying that i'm definatly wrong and it is not there at least give the benifit of the doubt, ring up LR give them you vin and ask them what color it is, if they cant tell you, i wouldn't go anywhere near them.

Sorry if i sound annoyed, i spose i am just a young idiot 19yo qualified mechanic that doesnt know anything, i'm just young and think i know everything, and i can tell you now, i dont, but just because (i am certain) that nearly all of you are older doesn't mean you are right all the time either. I order parts from different dealers every day, giving the vin every time is bloody annoying, but if you actually ask them whey they need it it all becomes apparent, and it sint just to make their lives easier to find the part on their system, like stupid things for example Hyundai sontata between january and november 96 have two or three different types of aircon tensioners, and the vin can tell the dealer which one it has - **** you not!!! - so why cant it tell you everything else - it can!

And this is going to open up a whole can of worms so give me sec while i go and hide.


I'm not disagreeing with you but I'm pretty sure our land's have the paint code printed on the plate under the bonnet.:)


Sorry if i sound annoyed, i spose i am just a young idiot 19yo qualified mechanic that doesnt know anything, i'm just young and think i know everything, and i can tell you now, i dont, but just because (i am certain) that nearly all of you are older doesn't mean you are right all the time either. I order parts from different dealers every day, giving the vin every time is bloody annoying, but if you actually ask them whey they need it it all becomes apparent, and it sint just to make their lives easier to find the part on their system, like stupid things for example Hyundai sontata between january and november 96 have two or three different types of aircon tensioners, and the vin can tell the dealer which one it has - **** you not!!! - so why cant it tell you everything else - it can!

As for this :D I reckon a chill pill is in order before busting a poo poo valve :lol2:
we are not all old on here you know :p and I'm guessing half on this thread had no idea of your age.....so hardly a factor in your bullying :D....

just my 2c worth I'm pretty sure you can tell everything from the car as it will have a service history attached to that Vin number...it is the cars identity after all.

[RRV80]

Sorry about all that long day stressed out running a workshop by myself but I have taken a chill pill lol I just see it slot on forums ppl getting told they're wrong when there is no real experience to back it up. Just gets to me. For the record my srs light is on atm, I am waiting for the new clock spring to arrive from lr, a dealer should chargeyou no more than 30-40 dollars to check and clear srs faults

[RRV80]

Sorry about all that long day stressed out running a workshop by myself but I have taken a chill pill lol I just see it slot on forums ppl getting told they're wrong when there is no real experience to back it up. Just gets to me. For the record my srs light is on atm, I am waiting for the new clock spring to arrive from lr, a dealer should chargeyou no more than 30-40 dollars to check and clear srs faults

[Jojo]

If there is nothing written in the rego papers of your vehicle, no one will be able to tell that your particular Disco was fitted with an airbag previously. Pull the bulb, fit a non-airbag type steering wheel and off you go. I did the same to mine. A 1994 MY Disco will not have passenger airbag anyway, so no problems there.
Whilst airbags may be useful and life-saving in certain cases of head-on collisions they don't offer any significant benefits in most other cases. Being initially happy to have one fitted, I quickly learned you will need a workshop with computer, which will cost your time and money, to reset the warning light any time it comes on for whatever the reason is (in my case, not a single one was related to the SRS). I gave up when the contact rotor behind the steering wheel failed (as it costs $$$) and replaced the stuff with a non-airbag steering wheel. Still the Disco is probably my safest vehicle, neither of my other LRs has airbags anyway ;-).

[RRV80]

The clock springs arn't expensive, $75-80 from memory, i'll let you know when mine arrives from LR the srs light will only come due to srs faults - pretensioners, voltage spikes, airbag wiring/circut resistances changes (ie brocken wire contact) ecu fault and sensor faults, if the battery goes flat on one or you change the battery and you take your time doing it, the srs ecu can lose its memory and CAN casue the light to come, a simple reset is in order in this case, . I guess it all comes down with preference and what you want to try and get away with, what one engineer might say is ok another migth totally disagree. And granted some people here have obviously done it.