Locker Tomorrow! Front or Rear?

[Shamo]

Hey guys,

I get my ARB air locker tomorrow (as you may have read above) and i cant decide weather i should put it in the front or the rear.... I am getting arb to put it in the diff centre (the centre is out of the front) and i'm not sure weather i should pull out the rear and put it in the front and put the front one in the rear so its locked or just to put the locker in the front?

I bought the locker because when i got the car i changed the diff oil and found some very large chunks of metal, so i pulled out the centre and found that the planetry gears were absolutely rooted. The pinion and crown wheel however were in really good condition still (thank god) and i decided to spend the extra money on a locker now rather than buying another standard diff centre (which i hear are pretty **** house anyway).

I understand that where the prop shafts meet the diff centre will (cant think of the name, flanges perhaps?) will have to be swapped, does anyone know if this is a big deal? or is it simply just a matter of a few bolts that need to be undone/redone?

Here's the thread of my new d2 with pics of the car and the diff centre that came out of it if anyone wanted to have a look at some pics http://www.aulro.com/afvb/discovery-2/89039-got-my-d2.html

Shamo

[Psimpson7]

The flanges are a straight swap. There is one bolt in the centre and they should then just slide off the splines. the bolt is likely to be quite tight.

I'd put it in the rear.

car looks excellent. good deal!!

Rgds
Pete

[disco_thrasher]

i reckon always rear first

[Shamo]

The flanges are a straight swap. There is one bolt in the centre and they should then just slide off the splines. the bolt is likely to be quite tight.

I'd put it in the rear.

car looks excellent. good deal!!

Rgds
Pete

Is it possible they could be tighter than the f'in steak nuts on the ends of the hubs? because i can handle it if they are less than that haha.

Also i should add im only going to run 245/75r16 tyres now (well for a little bit anyway) instead of 33s straight away because i had to fork out so much for this locker (haha poor uni student) would this effect things i.e i've heard that a locker and 33s on the front will break my cv's and with the smaller tyres it wont?

Shamo

[Outlaw]

Yep in the back... better to help push you along :)

[Busman]

Is it possible they could be tighter than the f'in steak nuts on the ends of the hubs? because i can handle it if they are less than that haha.

Also i should add im only going to run 245/75r16 tyres now (well for a little bit anyway) instead of 33s straight away because i had to fork out so much for this locker (haha poor uni student) would this effect things i.e i've heard that a locker and 33s on the front will break my cv's and with the smaller tyres it wont?

Shamo

Man, l should become a uni student.
The girls, the drinking, the girls, the drinking.:eek::D
Oh did l forget, oh the girls & the drinking.:p
Seems Uni students have money for 4wds & racing circuits.:angel:
I must be doing something wrong???

And Yeah, Rear locker work best !!
But !! Now l run 33's, l carry a spare long axle in the back.
Yes, it will no doubt happen at some stage.

[Psimpson7]

Is it possible they could be tighter than the f'in steak nuts on the ends of the hubs? because i can handle it if they are less than that haha.

Also i should add im only going to run 245/75r16 tyres now (well for a little bit anyway) instead of 33s straight away because i had to fork out so much for this locker (haha poor uni student) would this effect things i.e i've heard that a locker and 33s on the front will break my cv's and with the smaller tyres it wont?

Shamo

Hey Shamo,

No they probably wont be that tight. I did a pinion seal on a D2 a while back where the garage that had worked on it previously left the bolt loose.... undid it by hand. lol

The breakages thing is a difficult one. As you know I run 33's or 35's all the time, with twin ARB's and I have only ever broken 1 rear shaft (long one). never done a CV, and I give my car a fair workout. (Having said that I am close to upgrading)

D2 stuff is stronger than Defender/D1 stuff in terms of axles and CV's anyway (Centres are nearly identical) so I think you will be fine I certainly wouldnt overly worry if it was me.

[Grimace]

Good to see the GCLRO members base have some knowledge about them.

As has been said by many already. Rear locker FTW!

[Shamo]

Man, l should become a uni student.
The girls, the drinking, the girls, the drinking.:eek::D
Oh did l forget, oh the girls & the drinking.:p
Seems Uni students have money for 4wds & racing circuits.:angel:
I must be doing something wrong???
.

Hahahehe i may have a stash... but now its low lol time to sell some stuff!!

Thanks for all the advice guys, looks like ill be changing some stuff around tmrw then! Can't wait to have it on the road ill tell you that much :)

Shamo

[harry]

And Yeah, Rear locker work best !!
But !! Now l run 33's, l carry a spare long axle in the back.
Yes, it will no doubt happen at some stage.[/QUOTE]


c'mon down to crystalvale and we will see if one spare long axle in the back is enough!!

he says with some knowledge,
and two broken axles.


and yeah, put it in the rear, or you will be upgrading the front axles and cv's soon.

[Shamo]

Got the locker today, bloody chuffed as. Got it in the rear and managed to change the flanges (the rear one was an absolute slurry) just need to get the callipers back on the front and then the wheels! oh and tighten the steak nuts... which i found we ended up undoing the for no reason at all haha ah well, road worthy tmrw hopefully then rego on monday!

Shamo

[CheekyD1]

Front, Rear any day you get any locka is a good day, :D

go forth and have fun. :twisted:

[Shamo]

Got it on the road today, road worthied and registered :D:D:D

Just need low range now... haha. It wont go all the way into low or even neutral for that matter.... any ideas?

Shamo

[DRanged]

Got it on the road today, road worthied and registered :D:D:D

Just need low range now... haha. It wont go all the way into low or even neutral for that matter.... any ideas?

Shamo

Start with the simple things first. remove the boot and console etc and make sure nothing is fouling the action. Check the linkage etc & see if it is jamming. Disconnect the linkage and try to engage it.

Hope this helps.
Justin

[Shamo]

Start with the simple things first. remove the boot and console etc and make sure nothing is fouling the action. Check the linkage etc & see if it is jamming. Disconnect the linkage and try to engage it.

Hope this helps.
Justin

Thanks mate, yeah i have taken all that off, its just one cable running to the transfer case, we took the top off where the action is and moved it about, but i havnt tried adjusting the cable, apparently it may have stretched or something and it could be my problem... i really hope it is...

Shamo

[DRanged]

Thanks mate, yeah i have taken all that off, its just one cable running to the transfer case, we took the top off where the action is and moved it about, but i havnt tried adjusting the cable, apparently it may have stretched or something and it could be my problem... i really hope it is...

Shamo

Cable:eek::eek::eek:.

What vehicle are we talking about again.

Justin

[harry]

that interests me also,
what cable, there is no cable to operate the centre diff, it is all levers and links.
lookm up on the right side of the t/case, and you should see all the linkages - a mirror on a stick will help, and a good light.

[Psimpson7]

D2's cdl are cable actuated I believe.

Rgds
Pete

[harry]

ok, don't know really, i thought it would be the same as .

will tear micks apart to find out.

[Shamo]

Yeah there is just like a cable from the high/low lever to where it attaches to the transfer case... I'm guessing after this reply noone will know much about my next question haha... does anyone know if i can modify a transfer case out of a d1 to fit a d2? because i have a spare d1 trans case at home from my old car... if its not the cable thats the problem im wondering what to do... the main problem could be just the electrical crap that is associated with a D2 and its ecu... i.e i know that when you put the car into low it is meant to deactivate the ACE...

I was thinking though that putting in the d1 trans case could be an advantage because i could use the same lever ontop and id have a cdl selector then....

Am i dreaming or can i make this work?

Shamo

[Skiboy]

Shamo
I looked into using a D1 hi/low/CDL lever in my D2 but found some posts that said it would not fit. With the new cable activation they shifted the location of the level and the space available or something like that. All the posts I found said you would need to stick with the D2 lever from a later model disco where they put the CDL back in.

If you have a D1 transfer case on the floor look - using a mirror - to see how the D2 cable attach - the centre diff/transfer case is essentially the same. The Electrics probably all take an earth signal off the diff lock engaged sensor in the transfer case. If you re good with electrics you probably could marry them up. I did this when I put a transfer case with center diff into the rangie that only had viscous coupling.

I see yours is a 99 model - did it have the centre diff lock cable and actuator - ie push the lever sideways as per the D1 to get the centre diff engaged? My 99 did not have the level to do this so had set up my own cable under the dash. Some D2s did not even have the centre diff components and need the transfer case to be changed over.

Good luck with the mods - am interested in the fitting of the locker. I have a locker on my floor waiting to go into my D2 - but I have not found I have needed it yet - traction control seems pretty good. So will be watching to see what you think of the locker.

Skiboy

[Hendrik]

The MY99-01 models did not have the lever fitted for the CDL, only a hi-low lever, but the internals are in the transfer case. They were completely removed in the MY02 models and was completely reinstated lever and all in the facelifted My03 model.
Like you say Keith, the input for the ECU might just work off the hi-low switch, which as far as I am aware a D1 transfer case would not have. Now while the ECU might not need the input from the transfer case, the ACE will not disconnect as the ECU will think it is still in high range.
Personally Shamo I wouldn't fit the D1 transfer case, it has done about 400 000kms and has had water through it. Best bet would be to remove it open it up and fix the worn dog gear that is the cause of all this...hopefully.

[Shamo]

Best bet would be to remove it open it up and fix the worn dog gear that is the cause of all this...hopefully.

I'm hoping the cable is actually before im hoping for that :P

[Mudsloth]

Hey guys,

I get my ARB air locker tomorrow (as you may have read above) and i cant decide weather i should put it in the front or the rear.... I am getting arb to put it in the diff centre (the centre is out of the front) and i'm not sure weather i should pull out the rear and put it in the front and put the front one in the rear so its locked or just to put the locker in the front?

I bought the locker because when i got the car i changed the diff oil and found some very large chunks of metal, so i pulled out the centre and found that the planetry gears were absolutely rooted. The pinion and crown wheel however were in really good condition still (thank god) and i decided to spend the extra money on a locker now rather than buying another standard diff centre (which i hear are pretty **** house anyway).

I understand that where the prop shafts meet the diff centre will (cant think of the name, flanges perhaps?) will have to be swapped, does anyone know if this is a big deal? or is it simply just a matter of a few bolts that need to be undone/redone?

Here's the thread of my new d2 with pics of the car and the diff centre that came out of it if anyone wanted to have a look at some pics http://www.aulro.com/afvb/discovery-2/89039-got-my-d2.html

Shamo


You know what? I'd put it in the front. I've got front and back and when the rear played up I found it didn't make much difference. Even with cdl in the drive at the front is quite weak. If you put it in the front you will have 3 wheels driving at full power.

[Grimace]

You know what? I'd put it in the front. I've got front and back and when the rear played up I found it didn't make much difference. Even with cdl in the drive at the front is quite weak. If you put it in the front you will have 3 wheels driving at full power.

That doesnt make sense. And i guarantee you when you actually physically need a locker (a lot of people use them all the time even when they are not needed) it will benefit you more in the rear. No 'ifs' no 'buts'.

I can only think of a hand full of times where I really would have needed a locker and I know exactly where I would put it.

[Busman]

That doesnt make sense. And i guarantee you when you actually physically need a locker (a lot of people use them all the time even when they are not needed) it will benefit you more in the rear. No 'ifs' no 'buts'.

I can only think of a hand full of times where I really would have needed a locker and I know exactly where I would put it.

Just get that air compressor going Grimace.:p
It works wonders in Fluffy heyyy:D

[disco_thrasher]

Just get that air compressor going Grimace.:p
It works wonders in Fluffy heyyy:D

LOL :Rolling:the air worked no need for lockers:Rolling::Rolling::TakeABow:

cheers kelvin

[Shamo]

I have already put the locker in the rear mudsloth, sorry mate. I just need flippin low range so i can go and try it out properly!

Took the transfer case out today, after adjusting everything that could have been a problem i.e cable, some grommet thing at the back that adjusts a spring, and the lever itself. So i gave up and called techno brittish, they quoted me 6 and a half hours at $88 an hour to take the transfer case out, that was before there was any repairs done haha so i stopped being lazy and took it out with Dano (the fish) and another mate jack. Took us 2 and a half hours, so saved a bit of money there.

Steve (techno brittish) said he'd have a look at it tomorrow. I'm hoping it is a an easy-ish (as easy as it could be being a trans case) fix and have the thing offroading asap!

Shamo