Cargo barrier??/cargo net??

[adonuff]

Hi I have just finished (almost) the shelves in the back of the Discovery, Got the second battery,fridge, Tables, Chairs, Colman twin burner Stove, water container, Jerry can, pots pans knives forks etc.

We took it out for a drive and simulated " lets stop for lunch" as if we were on a trip, It all worked well, Better than the take Away we would have normally bought, Coffee, Jaffles and nothing thrown in the bin due to it being too greasy,cold dried out or just inedible.

Dropped into Kyle (Alien2 on the way home) to see the inner workings of a TD5 getting put back togeather, Was good at least I now know were to find the oil pump bolt that might fall out! (Thanks Kyle Leigh is trying to find out if she can take the Mon off for the long weekend).

Having built the shelves I now need a cargo barrier, I have searched the forums. The discussion about cargo nets got my attention.

I think I have come up with a design that would work, be safe and might even exceed the ADR rules. (At the very least keep us safe)..

I am planning to make a cargo net using seat belt grade material, I have seen simular in Military planes and have a plan that would make the net adjustable to suit rear seats up or down, small load or large in either situation.

I need to find out who makes the webbing nets like I saw in the Herculese air craft that flew us back from the Cann River bush Fires, back in the 1980's.

Black Night made a few comments about this on some of the threads I looked at. ( Would like to hear from you Dave).

I really do not want a big chunk of steel barrier, would prefer something flexible that can be rolled up out of the way when not required as well as holding down loads of a different size? Rear seats up or down!

Must be someone out there that knows where to get this ??

Andrew

[Savanahkelpy]

I had a net instead of a barrier, in my old series 3 shorty hard top, and i,m going to put it in my 3 door defender, eventualy. It was secured by eye bolts and dog clips. You may laugh, but it was better than nothing. I had it made by a local upholsterer, sewn from webbing.
Laurie.:)

[adonuff]

Not laughing at all good idea if I cant get the mesh readymade will think about your suggestion.
Thanks Andrew

[Barra1]

Yep. All the good ideas, logical reasons and wippy wow needs all sound great until the vehicle is lying on it's side, having rolled three times, your face is mangled so much that your mother won't know you, the seat belt has bruised you more than a Spud Carroll tackle and the quiet, yes the quiet, is deafening after the noise of the roll-over.

The gear in the back has broken the side windows, the stuff in the back seat not tied down has thrown about the cabin with luck has not hit you.

The front A pillars have collapsed - top and bottom, the roof has been forced down and the wind-screen has popped - resulting in your re-shaped face.

The roof has collapsed. Nearly.

The roof has been saved from completely collapsing by one piece of gear - a bastard piece of gear for it was always a damned nuisance. Just behind the rear doors the roof has not collapsed, it is been kept upright by a cargo barrier.

A Milford steel mesh cargo barrier.

You crawl out of the space where the windscreen was, disorientated and don't really know what happened. You just want to be out of the vehicle, it is a tight fit to get out of the vehicle. Lucky the whole front of roof had not collapsed for you wouldn't be able to get out.

Weeks later you see the vehicle. The cargo barrier kept you alive twice. Yep twice.

Firstly kept the gear in the back. Boxes, chain-saw, stuff.

It kept the roof from completely collapsing and crushing your skull. A built in roll bar.

Bloody nuisance though, that hunk of metal. Not convenient at all. It was put there because you thought "Oh yeah if I have the perfect accident it will stop stuff from hitting me in the back of head" - didn't know it was a damned good roll bar though.

Dead men's ideas and logic don't sound too good. The nightmares of the survivor isn't too attractive either. The mangled face is nothing. The wedding anniversary, the birthdays of your sons, the Christmas dinner you appreciate beyond belief are worth the inconvenience of a damned immovable piece of metal mesh.

[seano87]

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Bloody nuisance though, that hunk of metal. Not convenient at all. It was put there because you thought "Oh yeah if I have the perfect accident it will stop stuff from hitting me in the back of head" - didn't know it was a damned good roll bar though.

Dead men's ideas and logic don't sound too good. The nightmares of the survivor isn't too attractive either. The mangled face is nothing. The wedding anniversary, the birthdays of your sons, the Christmas dinner you appreciate beyond belief are worth the inconvenience of a damned immovable piece of metal mesh.

So eloquently put, but a damn valid point.

I managed a quadruple roll in my Discovery just over a year ago, it had a Milford cargo barrier, the whole car was an absolute mess, and whilst the roof was pretty severely worked over, the vehicle remained in reasonable enough condition that I wasn't squashed inside and I have no doubt that piece of metal mesh contributed to the vehicle retaining much of its standard shape. The support frame of the barrier had cracked, but still in once piece and pretty much the same shape, and the roof was still the highest exactly where the barrier was beneath it.

As for the inconvenience and "oh I wish I could move it forward to behind the front seats for extra room when required" I think you'll find pretty much all of the Milford barriers can be moved.

Seano

[dullbird]

and the roll over point is even more important when in a defender becuase they fold up like paper...even more so than a disco

[cucinadio]

A cargo barrier is not a roll cage...and IMHO should never be relied on as such .... make no never mind it has its benefits but shouldn't be factored in as roll cage...imho of course

[yyeessno]

A cargo barrier is not a roll cage...and IMHO should never be relied on as such .... make no never mind it has its benefits but shouldn't be factored in as roll cage...imho of course

I agree with you on that. Wouldn't it be convenient if someone was to build a two-in-one unit that lined the inside of the car, and had a barrier on sliders or something like that.

Anything that offers some sort of protection, however is better than nothing. When I had the accident in my defer the roof was very easily bent and crumpled, as someone said. We luckily didn't roll it all the way over though, but if we did I have no doubt that we would have been killed. Had I not ducked at the appropriate time my head would have been cut off by the folding roof.

After that, my next landy will have a roll cage for sure. It will also have a barrier of some description. With the full roll cage though I'm thinking that a webbing set up would be ideal, although every little bit of protection counts.

[slug_burner]

I made my own cargo barrier, RHS 2.5mm thick, steel mesh welded into frame. Barrier is made from two pieces, one fills in the bottom bit between the wheel wells and the top part fills in from just below the top of the seat back. Can be located behind the front seats or behind the back seat depending on how I configure the Defender.

No it is not a roll bar, but a lot stronger than the meccano set that is a defender.

[discoveryseries1]

i have a cargo barrier, i wanted a milford, but at 800 installed and only 750 for rack, i had to pass, i bout a second hand one for 100 bucks and it has been great, after seeing the milford one on display, i came to the conclusion that it was the same thincknes and strength as the milford any way, i would never use a net because the strength of the net is lower than the cargo barrier, both will hold freight around town and on trips and the net is more convenient for sure but what counts is when you have a loaded esky or camping lpg cylinder and a child seat in front of it and you have a colision on the highway, .......... net or steel rack ?

being a father of 2 it wasent a choice.


the down side is that when it is in, its in, and any thing long , dosent fit any more, so you have to use it with a roof rack, same as how big tyres go with a lift kit, you cant have a lift and no tyres, they work together . thats my 2 cents.