Pinzgauer Lay over PICS

[Grover-98]

Oright on the weekend me and a bunch of mates including Ian (Goldey) went for a 4x4 camping trip up at Foster and here are some photos of the most eventful moment of the entire weekend and you can see the main road at the base of the hill... so close yet so far. no real report as well im simply lazy but pics are what we all like! ;)

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OK so this last shot is clearly not my best moment! :p

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I am happy to add the recovery was quick and safe thanks to the great people on the trip :) and we simply started the Pinz up no smoke started first go checked all fluids and then drove the 150K home no drama :)

James.

[Rosscoe68]

Oright on the weekend me and a bunch of mates including Ian (Goldsworthy) went for a 4x4 camping trip up at Foster and here are some photos of the most eventful moment of the entire weekend and you can see the main road at the base of the hill... so close yet so far. .

good that all is ok.
Now for those that are all up about the mispronunciation and spelling in that other thread re barthust, i would just like to point out that Forster is pronounced Foster, but actually spelled Forster.

[Grover-98]

good that all is ok.
Now for those that are all up about the mispronunciation and spelling in that other thread re barthust, i would just like to point out that Forster is pronounced Foster, but actually spelled Forster.

Im glad my poor spelling has helped solve this case :) but please don't turn this thread into a spelling arguement!

[101RRS]

Wow - not good. If that bank had not been on the high side a full roll rather than a tip over might have been on the cards.

I am glad that there was not much damage and everyone was OK.

Were the diffs locked and if so did this contribute to the tip over or was it the usual crappy wheel travel tip it up on three wheels and then over. The 101 would have had similar issues but with more weight lower down and beam axles might not have tipped but would definitely been lifting wheels.

Garry

[Grover-98]

Yes we were very glad that bank was there, specially looking back on the Pictures. We had front and rear locked at the time and the naturally caused the front to take us slightly off line causeing the front right to drop in to a massive hole which was the end of us. The rear left was already sitting pretty high in the air prior to dropping in so it didnt take much encouragement to go over.

I did wonder after it happened what a 101 taking the same line would do, on paper the Pinz and 101 have the same rate of stability but as we all know in the real world things work differently... but id say had you dropped a wheel in that same hole you would be the one telling the story :angel:

James.

[Rosscoe68]

ooops. sorry, forgot to put a :p at the ebnd of my post, it was meant to be tongue in cheek. sorry, not meant to offend, just seems silly that everyone is so all caught up on grammar and spelling, when the real excitement is whats going on out in the real world in our 4wd's , like you guys getting out there and having a go :)

[vnx205]

So it is possible that the incident was caused, at least in part, by the font diff lock.

I know they have their uses, but I have often wondered whether they might have the potential to be unhelpful or even dangerous if not used carefully.

I remember with my Haflinger some years ago having some mild frights when use of the front diff lock caused the vehicle to take a slightly different line from the one I wanted to follow.

[isuzurover]

So it is possible that the incident was caused, at least in part, by the font diff lock.

I know they have their uses, but I have often wondered whether they might have the potential to be unhelpful or even dangerous if not used carefully.

I remember with my Haflinger some years ago having some mild frights when use of the front diff lock caused the vehicle to take a slightly different line from the one I wanted to follow.

I tend to agree. Using the rear locker when going downhill is a great help, keeps the car straight and stops it running away when you go over a cross-axle section. I slways engage the rear locker on serious downhill sections.

However using the front downhill is asking for trouble.

[rovercare]

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James.

Yea yea pics are good:)

Dunno if I'd of posted that one though:D

[Shonky]

Hahaha! The last photo is a corker! :p

The rest are a tad painful. Never good to see such a beautiful vehicle in such a position. :(

[goldey]

What James forgot to point out was that it was his Mums first foray (dare I say last......???? :o:o:(:(:eek::eek:) into bush 4wding with Dad at the helm.

Nothing a quiet cup of tea back at camp could'nt help solve though. The best news is everyone was okay (except for Dad's pride) and the roll was pretty slow, having spent most of the time on the highside getting it back upright, those shots from below certainly look more extreme than what it was. Getting it back upright was a pretty straight forward simple exercise.

Goldey

[Hymie]

That last pic looks like you were straining to crap on the driver.

[101 Ron]

Photos ever really tell the true story.( never show true steepness)
A 101 would have had drama droping a wheel in the same hole.
Interestingly a Range rover or disco or defender would have done it no problems as suspension flex is every thing going down a hill like that.
Forward control with front weight bias and little flex in the suspension makes it very, very easy .
I know with the 101 I have had many close calls and you just have to learn and remember for next time.
The haflinger with the engine in the rear never had the same problem.
What has saved me time after time with the 101 is its very low Cof G and the thing has hung on to it feet many times when I though it would go over.
I dont believe the front locker had any thing to do with it as it would have done the same thing with or with out it enguaged.
The only thing the locker does is to make the vehicle go futher than what you would without it.

[vnx205]

The point I was trying to make from my own experience with the Haflinger is that it didn't steer well with the front diff locked.
So you might finish up with your wheels not quite going where you want them to. That is what I meant by the comment about the diff lock contributing.
In a situation like that one at Forster, it is obviously critical to put your wheels just where you want them.

[Grover-98]

What James forgot to point out was that it was his Mums first foray (dare I say last......???? :o:o:(:(:eek::eek:) into bush 4wding with Dad at the helm.

Nothing a quiet cup of tea back at camp could'nt help solve though. The best news is everyone was okay (except for Dad's pride) and the roll was pretty slow, having spent most of the time on the highside getting it back upright, those shots from below certainly look more extreme than what it was. Getting it back upright was a pretty straight forward simple exercise.

Goldey

Thanks Ian!

Yes it was my mothers FIRST time off road! so it was certainly a shock to her system. But thankfully we were in good hands and as Ian has pointed out a calm chat and cup of Tea thanks to Ian and his wife back at camp calmed the nerves and i think she MIGHT get back in in time :)

[Grover-98]

In response to all your comments on the last picture... as soon as i looked at it i knew it was a terribly timed photo but i had a laugh my self and gathered it would give others a laugh too :)

How can i laugh at others without laughing at myself :)

James.

[Grover-98]

Hahaha! The last photo is a corker! :p

The rest are a tad painful. Never good to see such a beautiful vehicle in such a position. :(

Glad you liked it :p

I couldn't agree more on that comment! it is a painful sight to see ANY ones pride and joy in such a position :(... every time i see the pics or the dents on the car i cant help but think how easily it could of been avoided... but these things are apart of 4x4ing.

James.

[rovercare]

Glad you liked it :p

I couldn't agree more on that comment! it is a painful sight to see ANY ones pride and joy in such a position :(... every time i see the pics or the dents on the car i cant help but think how easily it could of been avoided... but these things are apart of 4x4ing.

James.

Something you learn, its the cock ups that make the great stories, I mean, it wouldn;t be half as exciting if you'd said, had an exciting day in the bush in the Pinny and nothing happened, this makes a much better story:D

[Grover-98]

Something you learn, its the cock ups that make the great stories, I mean, it wouldn;t be half as exciting if you'd said, had an exciting day in the bush in the Pinny and nothing happened, this makes a much better story:D

Couldn't agree more! coming home and talking about how well you drove makes you some what of a ****** but this weekend will be for ever a memory! and a good yarn for the camp fire :)

like i always say "Dents are scratches with better stories" :)

James.

[123rover50]

Must be a Forward Control Thing.

Didiman

[101RRS]

Sorry mate - cannot see a thing in that pic - it needs to be larger (yes I have clicked on the thumbnail)

Garry

[Grover-98]

Must be a Forward Control Thing.

Didiman


Yeah it is a bit of a foward control thing, as the vehicles are built with a slight front weight bias and due to they are built for heavy loads they have stiff suspension and very limited flex so most lay overs you will see will be a result of a front wheel dropping into a hole and the light rear end coming up and over. :( Just have to adapt your driving style slightly :)

James.

[Shonky]

Must be a Forward Control Thing.

YouTube - Land rover 101 CRASH

Been posted before, but still gives me the willies... :eek:

[101RRS]

To high a gear for the conditions and riding the brakes - while this is an ambulance which does have more weight over the rear - it does show how the rear of a 101 can be a handful going downhill.

This is a different circumstance to the Pinz tipover though.

Garry

[vnx205]

Yeah it is a bit of a foward control thing, as the vehicles are built with a slight front weight bias and due to they are built for heavy loads they have stiff suspension and very limited flex so most lay overs you will see will be a result of a front wheel dropping into a hole and the light rear end coming up and over. :( Just have to adapt your driving style slightly :)

James.

What you say is right, but the Haflinger, which I think would qualify as forward control, avoided that problem by having a rear engine and an exceptionally low C of G.

Some of the clever features of the Haflinger included the fact that weihght distribution was pretty good whether empty or loaded.

When it was empty, it had the weight of the engine over the rear wheels and the weight of the driver over the front wheels. On a vehicle that only weighed about over 650kg, the weight of the driver was significant.

When it was loaded, the weight was pretty evenly distributed because it had a wheel at each corner.

The horizontally opposed layout of the twin cylinder engine also helped keep the C of G low.

Pretty clever design, I reckon. :)

[Shonky]

To high a gear for the conditions and riding the brakes

Agreed. :eek:


This is a different circumstance to the Pinz tipover though.

Of course - I just thought it may be of interest. :) We are talking about Pinz/101s tipping over after all. It doesn't get much more tipped than that! :o

[Grover-98]

What you say is right, but the Haflinger, which I think would qualify as forward control, avoided that problem by having a rear engine and an exceptionally low C of G.

Some of the clever features of the Haflinger included the fact that weihght distribution was pretty good whether empty or loaded.

When it was empty, it had the weight of the engine over the rear wheels and the weight of the driver over the front wheels. On a vehicle that only weighed about over 650kg, the weight of the driver was significant.

When it was loaded, the weight was pretty evenly distributed because it had a wheel at each corner.

The horizontally opposed layout of the twin cylinder engine also helped keep the C of G low.

Pretty clever design, I reckon. :)

Yeap! the motor in the back of the Haffy certainly does even the balence going down steep decents, and they come in at 600Kg :) not including a driver which as stated has a large impact on the weight due to it being so light.

As for the COG, the pinz also has a very low COG it is rated to survive a 45 degree side slope which is on paper the same as that of a Haflinger, also the motor in the Pinzgauer is layed 15 degrees of horizontal, so as a result of this the COG is rather comforting in the Pinz. :)

However the Haflinger does have the advantage that when tipped on its side you simply get out and pick it back up :p and i would say once we get one of our many Haflingers running they will be layed on their side more then the Pinz due to the fact we will push them much harder due to the simplicity to recover and price difference :)

James.

[Grover-98]

Just watched that clip :o, i hope the driver and any passengers were ok! but as said before he was going way to quick for those conditions.

[Grover-98]

I have been trying to edit my original post in this thread as i would like to remove the first picture as i have forgotten to blur the number plate. But i cant seem to edit it?!

Would a mod be able to remove the first picture for me? Also if anyone has saved the picture onto their computer would you please take the care to blur it on your copy as well :)

I know it seems like a big fuss but it is my fathers car and i feel i owe it to him to grant his wish of not sharing the vehicles plates :)... as the shot is of it on its side and we are claiming the damage. :(

James.

[Shonky]

Did you use photobucket?

Just delete the file from your album, upload the new one sans plate and add it down here. ;)