Jap Discos in Aus

[pando]

Hi Guys,

Was reading the jap nas 90 rhd thread and decided to have a sticky around discos that are available in Japan, just for kicks really.

A thought occurred to me while doing this, I know we can't get these rego'd in oz because they are not on the sevs list, but what if I was to import one for parts for my own disco?

The reason I ask is that my D1 TDi, while mechanically is pretty tight, the body and interior are a little sad and was planning on either slowly replacing bits and bobs over time (rolling resto) or finding another more tidy one in Aus. The price of some of the low kay jap ones are going for, including delivery, would make it financially doable (although I'm not sure of the sting at the end, tariffs, customs?) and the condition of them seems to be right up there, some look near new inside, and while plastics seem faded, the outsides look straight and tidy enough.

Another side query also is does the aussie VIN belong to the body or the chassis? Could you theoretically get one from Japan, swap bodies to my aussie chassis and have a complied, insurable, Australian delivered disco? Having a look through Rave makes me think there are subtle differences between the 2 electrically, are there any other differences?

My thinking is that they are really just "parts" and if I had bingled my car, and re-bodied it i don't see any real difference, as long as SRS and ABS systems (which I have) remain intact, although things that seem simple enough to me get very complicated once some sort of bureaucracy gets involved....

Your thoughts?

[Timj]

Hi Pando,

I don't think it is possible as they will not allow a complete vehicle to be imported for parts. I believe that they have to be cut up and then perhaps the bits can be bought in. There is some information on the SEVS site about people not being allowed to do just what you have suggested.

TimJ.

[nice1guv]

Coincidentally I just saw this Japanese half-cut Discovery for sale on Ebay:

1996 LANDROVER DISCOVERY 4x4 HALF CUT. 4000cc ONLY 46k! - eBay, Other Car Parts, Accessories, Car Parts, Accessories, Cars, Bikes, Boats. (end time 16-Oct-09 15:57:39 AEDST) (http://cgi.ebay.com.au/1996-LANDROVER-DISCOVERY-4x4-HALF-CUT-4000cc-ONLY-46k_W0QQitemZ320432427362QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAU_Car _Parts_Accessories?hash=item4a9b42d162)

They also have a link for their website: Prestige Half Cuts (http://www.halfcuts.com.au/) ; makes interesting reading. :D

[pando]

Hi Guys,

Yeah, first glance on the DOTARS site missed this bit, right at the bottom of the last page.

"Vehicles for Dismantling

The importation of complete vehicles for dismantling purposes is not permitted".


Oh well, was a nice idea, all 3 hours of it.

Thanks guys.

[101RRS]

You can import a complete vehicle as long as it is cut in half.

Garry

[Lotz-A-Landies]

The Jap spec Discos are regularly sold as complete second hand vehicles in New Zealand. Some interesting bits on them like interlocks on the transfer linkages and most have never been used off the tarmac.

[pando]

You can import a complete vehicle as long as it is cut in half.

Garry

I'm not that good with a welder:D

[justinc]

The Jap spec Discos are regularly sold as complete second hand vehicles in New Zealand. Some interesting bits on them like interlocks on the transfer linkages and most have never been used off the tarmac.

...Also the 300Tdi versions are full EDC electronic pumps and EGR, they have Cats and an electronic trans, 4HP22EH. Cruise controls on some as they worked through the fly by wire throttle/ ECU like a Td5.

The other interesting problem is the Japanese FM bands are way higher freq than ours, the last 2 I had anything to do with the radios had to be swapped over for aussie spec ones:D

JC

[pando]

...Also the 300Tdi versions are full EDC electronic pumps and EGR, they have Cats and an electronic trans, 4HP22EH. Cruise controls on some as they worked through the fly by wire throttle/ ECU like a Td5.

The other interesting problem is the Japanese FM bands are way higher freq than ours, the last 2 I had anything to do with the radios had to be swapped over for aussie spec ones:D

JC

Thanks JC,

Jaycar (used to, dunno if they still do) sell a "Magic Black Box" to bring all the frequencies up from Aus to the Jap higher bands, Jap spec radio still shows higher freq, just that it is reading a lot lower.

Its a pitty the gov doesn't let you import these, given what else they let through the gate. I know they've got their reasons but it just pains to see low kay, immaculate versions of the car you like going for the dollars they do.

[sniegy]

Pando,
I used to have a fully imported 200Tdi from Japan, The books wewre all in Japanese & so was some of the warnings on the scuttle panel under the bonnet.

The vehicles that are sent to Japan are normally higher spec than ours as the one i had, had twin sunroof's, 2 remote plips with 4 keys & all of them were original LR keys. It also has extra switches for fog, driving lifgts & a few other bits that i donr recall.

The vehicles that are sent to Japan are normally fitted with transfer case interlocks & as someone has already said dont go offroad much if at all.

When the D2 was in run out prior to the D2a being introduced we had to remove a whole bunch of interlocks from Jap Spec vehicles as Australia was in need of vehicles as we could not get enough, So Japan didnt want all of there shipment so we stole there's. They were all ES spec with shift/tcase interlock, dash dimmer, something we dont get & a few oithers that i dont recall as it was a few years ago.

The ADR's on these vehicles are all very similar & don't require much for Australian Compliance if anything at all.

As JC has said the 300Tdi has a lot going for it as the equipment fitted to it is a better spec than we ever got...Just think a 300Tdi with "Factory" cruise control...Oh how much i wanted cruise on my 300...

Dont give up, get prices while u can & see what it wil cost all up & you may be suprised.;)

[justinc]

Pando,
I used to have a fully imported 200Tdi from Japan, The books wewre all in Japanese & so was some of the warnings on the scuttle panel under the bonnet.

The vehicles that are sent to Japan are normally higher spec than ours as the one i had, had twin sunroof's, 2 remote plips with 4 keys & all of them were original LR keys. It also has extra switches for fog, driving lifgts & a few other bits that i donr recall.

The vehicles that are sent to Japan are normally fitted with transfer case interlocks & as someone has already said dont go offroad much if at all.

When the D2 was in run out prior to the D2a being introduced we had to remove a whole bunch of interlocks from Jap Spec vehicles as Australia was in need of vehicles as we could not get enough, So Japan didnt want all of there shipment so we stole there's. They were all ES spec with shift/tcase interlock, dash dimmer, something we dont get & a few oithers that i dont recall as it was a few years ago.

The ADR's on these vehicles are all very similar & don't require much for Australian Compliance if anything at all.

As JC has said the 300Tdi has a lot going for it as the equipment fitted to it is a better spec than we ever got...Just think a 300Tdi with "Factory" cruise control...Oh how much i wanted cruise on my 300...

Dont give up, get prices while u can & see what it wil cost all up & you may be suprised.;)

Like Pete says, Aus compliance was a piece of cake as we (Where I worked) repaired 2 damaged EX Jap D1's in about 1999, both 20K old, and re regoed/ sold them with little trouble in Aus. They had to get new numbers etc but it was still worth it as back then a 1 to 2 YO D1 was still worth good $$$.

I would also like cruise etc, but not at the expense of a EDC system:mad:. If I wanted electronic throttle etc I'd have a D2....

JC

[dullbird]

I would like factory cruise on my D1 I have an aftermarket unit and its ugly:(

[pando]

Like Pete says, Aus compliance was a piece of cake as we (Where I worked) repaired 2 damaged EX Jap D1's in about 1999, both 20K old, and re regoed/ sold them with little trouble in Aus. They had to get new numbers etc but it was still worth it as back then a 1 to 2 YO D1 was still worth good $$$.

I would also like cruise etc, but not at the expense of a EDC system:mad:. If I wanted electronic throttle etc I'd have a D2....

JC

Thanks Guys,

From the research I have done so far, if it's not on the SEVS list, it cannot be imported, won't even get past customs. Also, anything that was delivered in quantities in Australia as a factory vehicle cannot not be imported, or so I'm told. I asked why then can R32 skylines be imported, as they were an Aust. delivered vehicle, but apparently because the aust. delivered was in such small quantities and considered a "specialist" vehicle that jap versions were allowed to be imported, but that was back in the day, rules have changed since then, or so I'm told.

Dollars from what I've worked out make sense, just going to take some time, a bit more research and maybe there is a way, possibly. This all started as a bit of an idea I had while surfing the net, starting to think it maybe worth pursuing.

Might get in touch with DOTARS, see what the go is from the horses mouth.

Thanks Guys.

[pando]

Oh Yeah,

Hate the cruise on my disco too, ugly apart from the fact she no worky most of the time, going to r sole it when i get the chance.

[Captain_Rightfoot]

This legislation was drafted to stop the importation of vehicles that were in any way sold here. I believe Toyota was a primary contributor.

[clean32]

This legislation was drafted to stop the importation of vehicles that were in any way sold here. I believe Toyota was a primary contributor.

completely the opposite to what NZ did. opened the doors to import cars from japan HK and singapore. legalized parallel importing. result better cheeper higher spec and safer cars. oh and more jobs.

[Captain_Rightfoot]

completely the opposite to what NZ did. opened the doors to import cars from japan HK and singapore. legalized parallel importing. result better cheeper higher spec and safer cars. oh and more jobs.

How would the importation of second hand cars result in more jobs?

The reason for the legislation was to maintain manufacturing in Australia. Should this stop, I can't see any justification for it.

[clean32]

How would the importation of second hand cars result in more jobs?

The reason for the legislation was to maintain manufacturing in Australia. Should this stop, I can't see any justification for it.

Sheesh as i said, in New Zealand, i didnt say australia !!!!!:nazilock:

but as you asked the question.

before imports the average family man had to scrape together at least 10K for some 15 year old bogged up HQ with 200K on the clock. after 10 K would get some Jap import with better economy comfort and safety and reliability as well as less than 100K and only 5 years old.

the assembly plants of holden Nissan Honda Mizy and ford did eventually close but not immediately. the result was from these manufactures that there products now came higher specked and better made. with the exception of holden and ford. the battles between ford aussie and ford NZ are well knowen with australia often shipping seconds to NZ for assembly. things like the ford telstra ( second shape) where the side windows Glass had the wrong curvature etc.

Now Kiwis drive a fleet of cars that are safer, younger and more economical than the average aussie. the last car i purchased off the lot in NZ 2005 was a 1996 VS dunny door exec, tidy full history second owner 190 000 klm $ 3800 NZD in SA the same car will be more like 6-7K and thats nearly 5 years latter.

as for the jobs. compliance shipping car yards, wrecking yards etc all sucked that up pretty quickly.

[PhilipA]

Not to mention the speedo winder backers.
What was the percentage in a study done last year?
AFAIR 60%. Very good for the customer.

Regards Philip A

[clean32]

Not to mention the speedo winder backers.
What was the percentage in a study done last year?
AFAIR 60%. Very good for the customer.

Regards Philip A

Last year you say, and the link is??

in you know any thing about japans vehicle testing requirements and the average cost to keep a car on the roads over there, then you would know that ( apart from commercials) that winding back the speedo is not really necessary.
besides a AA check will sort that out.

Philip i assume you are not of the age where you were driving or owning vehicles in the early 80s or 70s in NZ

[Hoges]

For Info...a local bloke here in Bris regularly imports complete Jags and Rangies from Hong Kong and Japan for "spares" on the basis that they are not to be registered...but "cut in half" they certainly " ain't" ;). He'd even bought in a late model turbo 4 door Bentley which he was punting around he burbs for a while:D

[pando]

How would the importation of second hand cars result in more jobs?

The reason for the legislation was to maintain manufacturing in Australia. Should this stop, I can't see any justification for it.

Hi Guys,

IMHO.....

Overall, the justification for not allowing imports bla bla bla is all there, keeping jobs in aus and such, but, what parts for my landy would be built in oz, especially for a car that is now 13 years old?

Brake discs maybe?

How does buying a used car that was never made in Australia, from Aus or Nippon, effect jobs here that were never here in the first place? I think there needs to be a SEVS type scheme, for vehicles that were never available to start with and special cases but there shouldn't be anything stopping me importing a car that is ADR compliant and was sold here, especially if it was an import to start with? Also, extra especially if it is no longer available new from my local dealer, anything 10 years old + would be a good start?

If I'm looking for a landy, I'm not going to buy a 15 year old dunnydoor or chooktin am I? Car manufacturers don't build cars so there'll be "lots on the second hand market", they build them to sell them new, the second the warranty is over (some would argue before) they no longer give two tosses about them, as long as new ones are rolling out the showrooms quick enough.

Importing a car keeps a whole raft of guys and gals busy throughout the whole process, who do i keep busy when i buy a used car here? The car salesman and the nice lady behind the desk at the rego, who would be involved anyway if i had a car from elsewhere?

If I'm thinking of buying a new car, there are reasons for that, I don't just jump up and go, well, an older used model is available ex Japan for an 1/8th of the price, I might buy that instead? Get your hand off it, of course I don't, I buy a new car if I want a new car, I buy a used car because thats all i can afford, I buy ozzie if i want ozzie, i buy import if i want import.

Soz about the rant, sometimes the way this country is run shizzles me to tears, an old boss of mine used to say "over governed and under managed", I never really got that until the last few years or so.

but anyway, I digress....



"it's my thread and i'll rant if I want too, rant if I want too":D




I'm going to chat to few in the know over the next few weeks or so, see if there is a loop hole maybe? Give me something to do while I'm off work at least, although I know what the answer will be.

Or i can move to Japan for 12 months........:p Any takers?

Is this an oversimplification of a much broader issue?

Your thoughts guys?

[clean32]

Mate.


just google, because exporting cars from Japan is just big business over there and that there is basically no second hand car market. there are a few online auction houses\ agents who will organize every thing for you and because its what they do they know how to do it.

i got my last lotus that way and a couple of Lexis, though those purchases i managed to sell back to japan though the same agent 4 mini's

[Captain_Rightfoot]

Hi Guys,

IMHO.....

Overall, the justification for not allowing imports bla bla bla is all there, keeping jobs in aus and such, but, what parts for my landy would be built in oz, especially for a car that is now 13 years old?

Brake discs maybe?

How does buying a used car that was never made in Australia, from Aus or Nippon, effect jobs here that were never here in the first place? I think there needs to be a SEVS type scheme, for vehicles that were never available to start with and special cases but there shouldn't be anything stopping me importing a car that is ADR compliant and was sold here, especially if it was an import to start with? Also, extra especially if it is no longer available new from my local dealer, anything 10 years old + would be a good start?

If I'm looking for a landy, I'm not going to buy a 15 year old dunnydoor or chooktin am I? Car manufacturers don't build cars so there'll be "lots on the second hand market", they build them to sell them new, the second the warranty is over (some would argue before) they no longer give two tosses about them, as long as new ones are rolling out the showrooms quick enough.

Importing a car keeps a whole raft of guys and gals busy throughout the whole process, who do i keep busy when i buy a used car here? The car salesman and the nice lady behind the desk at the rego, who would be involved anyway if i had a car from elsewhere?

If I'm thinking of buying a new car, there are reasons for that, I don't just jump up and go, well, an older used model is available ex Japan for an 1/8th of the price, I might buy that instead? Get your hand off it, of course I don't, I buy a new car if I want a new car, I buy a used car because thats all i can afford, I buy ozzie if i want ozzie, i buy import if i want import.

Soz about the rant, sometimes the way this country is run shizzles me to tears, an old boss of mine used to say "over governed and under managed", I never really got that until the last few years or so.

but anyway, I digress....



"it's my thread and i'll rant if I want too, rant if I want too":D




I'm going to chat to few in the know over the next few weeks or so, see if there is a loop hole maybe? Give me something to do while I'm off work at least, although I know what the answer will be.

Or i can move to Japan for 12 months........:p Any takers?

Is this an oversimplification of a much broader issue?

Your thoughts guys?

Simply because the flow of very cheap second hand cars distorts the market to a point where it lowers the cost of cars. This makes it difficult for people selling new cars here, but especially manufacturers. It also tends to massively reduce residuals on new cars, which means people also tend to be less inclined to purchase new vehicles as the cost of ownership increases.

Cheap Korean cars (sold new) have had that effect to a certain extent already. Imported second hand cars have an even bigger effect.

Anyway, I don't make the rules. Complain to your MP if you don't like it...

[willem]

It just frustrates me - the bloodymindedness of governments that bang on about being environmentally responsible and energy efficient let perfectly good cars like this go to waste ... when there is no Australian industry to protect anyway. There are no serious 4WDs built in Australia! :mad::mad::mad:

Its really about protecting dealers who don't want any competition.

Willem

[clean32]

Simply because the flow of very cheap second hand cars distorts the market to a point where it lowers the cost of cars.

and this is a bad thing? i think we would all like to pay less for our second hand cars


This makes it difficult for people selling new cars here, but especially manufacturers. It also tends to massively reduce residuals on new cars, which means people also tend to be less inclined to purchase new vehicles as the cost of ownership increases.

it means the manufactures get there act together, new cars be come cheeper and dealer service improves out of sight.
the manufactures also get on the act, you could buy a second hand jap import toyota from a toyota agent with a toyota warrantee that equals a new cars warrantee.

[QUOTE=Captain_Rightfoot;1096232 Korean cars (sold new) have had that effect to a certain extent already. Imported second hand cars have an even bigger effect.
.[/QUOTE]
true, now my wife instead of driving a 10 year old dunny door can drive a new buzz box when she goes shoping

[pando]

Simply because the flow of very cheap second hand cars distorts the market to a point where it lowers the cost of cars. This makes it difficult for people selling new cars here, but especially manufacturers. It also tends to massively reduce residuals on new cars, which means people also tend to be less inclined to purchase new vehicles as the cost of ownership increases.

Cheap Korean cars (sold new) have had that effect to a certain extent already. Imported second hand cars have an even bigger effect.

Anyway, I don't make the rules. Complain to your MP if you don't like it...

Hi Captain,

Generally, I agree with you.

Any import that can cause distortion to the aus market place should not be allowed. I probably should have made that clearer during my rant, but once I get going......;)

As to the level of damage that would be caused I'm not sure about, anyone got any facts about what has happened in NZ, good, bad, same?

In this particular case, referring to landys, and I'm sure other vehicles are out there, i think that importing certain vehicles from elsewhere would cause little or no harm to the Australian sector.

What I would like to see is a managed approach to vehicle imports, not the broad sweeping brush strokes that we have at the moment, to allow vehicles that are not dangerous or economically irresponsible to be allowed on our roads.

It's not the rules/ethos I'm sore about, it's the way things get handled that gets my knickers in a knot.

Your thoughts?

[clean32]

As to the level of damage that would be caused I'm not sure about, anyone got any facts about what has happened in NZ, good, bad, same?

Your thoughts?

plenty of info about

from memory of an AA mag ( RAA in australia)
in 1980 the average age of a family car was 18 years the average cost was 16 months average salary

in 19890 the average age of a family car was 16 years the average cost was 15 months average salary

in 2000 the average age of a family car was 9 years the average cost was 7 months average salary.


add to that the younger cars being more economical and safer

[Captain_Rightfoot]

I'm pretty sure that the average age of the fleet was < 10 years in Aus. It does make a big difference to vehicle safety, where we have seen massive improvements in the last ten years.

With NZ, they had a very old fleet, whereas Australia has a newer fleet so it may not benefit overall vehicle fleet age. In fact if it does lessen the number of new vehicles bought it may in fact have the opposite effect.... interesting project for someone...

[101RRS]

Sorry to come in late here - but why can you not privately import a Disco from Japan but you can privately import a Disco from the UK - if I remember correctly an AULRO member has a private UK import. Surely if the rules prevent some models coming in from Japan because they are on the government's list of approved cars then the same rule prevent private import of the same model from the UK.

Do the "rules" also stipulate what country cars can be imported from?

Garry

[clean32]

I'm pretty sure that the average age of the fleet was < 10 years in Aus. It does make a big difference to vehicle safety, where we have seen massive improvements in the last ten years.

With NZ, they had a very old fleet, whereas Australia has a newer fleet so it may not benefit overall vehicle fleet age. In fact if it does lessen the number of new vehicles bought it may in fact have the opposite effect.... interesting project for someone...

http://www.googlesyndicatedsearch.com/u/AustralianBureauOfStatistics?hl=en&domains=abs.gov.au&sitesearch=abs.gov.au&ie=UTF-8&q=the+average+age+of+passenger+vehicle&start=10&sa=N

[Captain_Rightfoot]

Sorry to come in late here - but why can you not privately import a Disco from Japan but you can privately import a Disco from the UK - if I remember correctly an AULRO member has a private UK import. Surely if the rules prevent some models coming in from Japan because they are on the government's list of approved cars then the same rule prevent private import of the same model from the UK.

Do the "rules" also stipulate what country cars can be imported from?

Garry
The country doesn't matter but you have to live with the car for a time. I thought it was a year...

[Captain_Rightfoot]

http://www.googlesyndicatedsearch.com/u/AustralianBureauOfStatistics?hl=en&domains=abs.gov.au&sitesearch=abs.gov.au&ie=UTF-8&q=the+average+age+of+passenger+vehicle&start=10&sa=N

Cool... at 9.7 I was close :)

[101RRS]

The country doesn't matter but you have to live with the car for a time. I thought it was a year...

That is not the issue here - reading back through the posts I formed the view that a Disco cannot be imported from Japan as a private import as it is not on the "list" and as a result can only be imported as parts or as a half cut.



From the research I have done so far, if it's not on the SEVS list, it cannot be imported, won't even get past customs. Also, anything that was delivered in quantities in Australia as a factory vehicle cannot not be imported, or so I'm told. I asked why then can R32 skylines be imported, as they were an Aust. delivered vehicle, but apparently because the aust. delivered was in such small quantities and considered a "specialist" vehicle that jap versions were allowed to be imported, but that was back in the day, rules have changed since then, or so I'm told.

Dollars from what I've worked out make sense, just going to take some time, a bit more research and maybe there is a way, possibly. This all started as a bit of an idea I had while surfing the net, starting to think it maybe worth pursuing.

Might get in touch with DOTARS, see what the go is from the horses mouth.

Thanks Guys.

[pando]

Sorry Garry,

May have lead you up the path a bit.

Country doesn't matter, and when I posted that I didn't understand the situation as throughly as I do now.

The SEVS list contains vehicles that are allowed to be imported via the RAW (registered workshops) scheme into Australia. The list of "mods" that already needs to be completed to get these vehicles through ADR testing is already known, and is completed by these workshops, who then apply for a new compliance plate through one of the government registered badge stampers. They then sell the vehicle onto you as an Australian complianced and delivered vehicle.

You, as an individual or a company, have to apply to get your vehicle placed onto the list. This costs bulk dollars, and would need to be recouped over several vehicles to make your money back. There is also another list of vehicles (I'm presuming) that have been applied for and knocked back, with varying reasons but mostly (AFAIR) "vehicle available in volume in Australia" or word to that effect. Although there are a few that do not comply with the ADRs.

SO your vehicle you want is not on the SEVS list? There seems to be a couple of options left.

1. If you have lived overseas and have owned the vehicle for a full 12 month period you can import it as a private import. Proof of ownership and proof you were living in the same country as the vehicle needs to be provided.

2. Letter of compliance from the manufacturer or their representative stating that the vehicle was made in accordance with the applicable ADRs at the time of manufacture. It states on the DOTARS site that this is a pretty rare case, and apparently a pretty difficult step to take.

I'll need to check the site again, but I'm pretty sure points 1 & 2 you are only allowed to import 1 vehicle every 12 months.

3. The vehicle already has an Australian compliance plate fitted. This is for when people send their vehicles overseas for competition or work.

4. Was your vehicle made before jan 1st 1989? Go nuts if it was, nothing stopping you with older vehicles. I read somewhere that it was 15 years, but the form definitely states 1989.

5. Vehicles made wholly and solely for off road or competition work can be imported, below is straight from the DOTARS website.....

Note: Before a Vehicle Import Approval may be issued for a vehicle, it is first necessary to determine whether the vehicle is a 'road vehicle' for the purposes of the Motor Vehicle Standards Act 1989 (the Act). For the purposes of the Act, 'road vehicle' means:

a motor vehicle designed solely or principally for the transport on public roads of people, animals or goods; or
a motor vehicle that is permitted to be used on public roads

This says to me that even if I wanted to import a disco, not register it and turn it into a competition truck, or it may already be that way, i cannot as it was a originally designed as a road vehcile, and to get it in i would need to follow one of the steps outlined above.

The link below is to the application form that needs to be filled out to import a vehicle into australia, it reads a bit like a flow chart. It states at the bottom that if you answer no to all the questions then your vehicle cannot be imported, so don't bother sending the 50 bucks application fee. Once i read the form it started to make a hell of a lot more sense to me.

http://www.infrastructure.gov.au/roads/vehicle_regulation/bulletin/importing_vehicles/general/pdf/VSB10_Form09.pdf

I hope i have cleared up any confusion that I created with my earlier posts, and not told you guys how to suck eggs either.:D

Thanks Guys, keep up the banter.....

[101RRS]

Thanks for that - has clarified my query.

The rules really have not changed that much in the last 30 years or so - I imported my jag in the early 80s from the UK and the rules then were pretty much the same as now.

Cheers

Garry

[PhilipA]

in you know any thing about japans vehicle testing requirements and the average cost to keep a car on the roads over there, then you would know that ( apart from commercials) that winding back the speedo is not really necessary.
besides a AA check will sort that out.

Philip i assume you are not of the age where you were driving or owning vehicles in the early 80s or 70s in NZ https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/05/855.jpg (http://www.aulro.com/afvb/newreply.php'do=newreply&p=1095840)

I do know the Japanese system of Shaiken. And some cars do actually get driven a fair way, and a 50KK car there is a lot more tired than a 50KK car here.

Er then why do this mob offer Jap odometer certification at a cost I presume?

AutoTerminal - Distributor of Used Japanese vehicles in New Zealand - Home (http://nz.autoterminal.com/home.asp)


The major scandal apparently happened in 1997. How time flies. However I do recall something more recent but if you want a Stat dec I decline.

Maybe because I am of an age that I drove in NZ in 1973 . It was a lovely Austin 1300 that overheated whenever the wind blew from the left which was often. And an early Corolla. I do not know the point but yes I recall the motoring museum that NZ was back then.

BUT that does not mean open slather on grey imports is justified.
Regards Philip A

[clean32]

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/05/855.jpg (http://www.aulro.com/afvb/newreply.php'do=newreply&p=1095840)

I do know the Japanese system of Shaiken. And some cars do actually get driven a fair way, and a 50KK car there is a lot more tired than a 50KK car here.

Er then why do this mob offer Jap odometer certification at a cost I presume?

AutoTerminal - Distributor of Used Japanese vehicles in New Zealand - Home (http://nz.autoterminal.com/home.asp)


The major scandal apparently happened in 1997. How time flies. However I do recall something more recent but if you want a Stat dec I decline.

Maybe because I am of an age that I drove in NZ in 1973 . It was a lovely Austin 1300 that overheated whenever the wind blew from the left which was often. And an early Corolla. I do not know the point but yes I recall the motoring museum that NZ was back then.

BUT that does not mean open slather on grey imports is justified.
Regards Philip A

AHHH 1300 land crab, hang a spanner in the boot next to the fuel pump, every time it stops pumping put the left hand wheels in the dirt that should shake it up.

if you remember "motoring museum that NZ was back then" then you will know how much things have improved. your comment about open slather on grey imports i also agree with, there was wholesale fraud with jap imports in the early days but there was also wholesale fraud in the second hand car industry period. Jap imports didn't introduce clocking it was already there. it waist until the LTSA replaced the MR12 that things tightened up. Jap imports coped most of the flack because there were a lot of people who wanted it to be so as well as car sales like Ron West motors in west AK.

but that was then and not now