S.1. 1956 LWB

[digger]

Installment 1-

Hi,

I always loved the S1’s for a few things, their simplistic business like shape, (no, its not a box there’s a curve there see…there on the front guards and the sides of the bonnet smarty!!) and the fact they can do what they were designed for.

I never got to get one but it led me to buy a defender which I had for a number of years living in remote SA and had no problems with at all.. This increased my love of the landys!

I was making enquiries about an S1 in ANDAMOOKA and luckily ended up with a 1963 2a Ex military 88” (HORRIE), this led to another 1963 2a Ex military 88” (the VET) being sourced and obtained. –The L/R bug has got me. (and he bites hard!)

Anyway I still look forlornly at S1’s and recently one came up on Evil bay on a property near my current Riverland home.. My long suffering but very understanding wife, (realising I would probably sulk around for days after it was over,) sent me off to have a look… So day of the auction ending off I went to look and 3 hours later, (& with her blessing!!) the auction ended and I became the owner of a S.1. !!.

It’s a 1956 109” – and had a few spare parts with it….(see photos in coming posts!) -and I think its the newer "styleside ute" model :angel: - (see photos!)

I’ll just plod along with this, my aim is just to get it running and registered
at the moment, and maybe repainted etc later but at the moment just running is the challenge!!!

I have been watching the progress of other here and assure you there will be no rapid progress on this one!! (work/family commitments and need to get progress on the EXMILs also!) I am sure I shall be bothering you all lots about silly questions but have already found out lots over time just “drooling” over the S1 forum!

Thanks to “Mrs Ho Har” and “Ho Har” for their support and advice on line before / during and since I got it a few days ago!!! Ill post bits every now and again to keep it updated…

19772

19773

19774

19776

19775

cheers!
Digger

(Oh and it needs a name- suggestions accepted? -currently “goodlukwiddat” seems to be what most people say when they see it??? But maybe too long for a name… )

[digger]

Installment 1 (part 2)

19777

19778

19779

19780


all the landy bits in here are mine....all mine !!!

[digger]

Installment 2 !

I collected it on Thursday (when I should have been mowing the “lawn”) and brought it home.


It appears to have originally been slate grey/blue, then its had a coat of chamberlain orange (don’t you love farms!) and lastly turned greenish. The tray obviously is the cut down model so rarely seen these days!!!!

19781

19782

19784

19785

Friday was spent trying to sort out the parts that have taken the driveway hostage!

19783

cheers
digger

[101RRS]

Great find - nice to see it still has the original engine. If this is a 56 it will be one of the very early 109s as they were not released in the UK until late 1956.

So you going to keep the rear tray in line with its farm working heritage or swap it over to an original tub?

Have lots of fun with it :).

Garry

[digger]

Installment 3 !

Saturday myself and one of my lads (Will – 6yrs) played around with the S1. It was allegedly last driven around the farm a “only few months ago”. The fuel smelt stale but I couldn’t move the screen/filler tube so I just topped it with nice new stuff and tried to get him going!

First problem was the electric fuel pump that needed to be “hand tickled” to work…. This doesn’t seem like it will really work that well whilst driving, I am assuming!, So I crawled through the spare parts and grabbed the best looking electric fuel pump in amongst it.

Test run, it appeared to work (well it clicked regularly!!) – installed..

After getting it to run and then have it die a number of times, I decided I must inspect the fuel tank, and after much mucking about, got the filler tube/screen out…..and then emptied this out of the tank!!!

19786

NO! not the kid!!! the fuel! (about 30 litres all up!)
here is a closer view of the fuel!!

19787

and the 'dregs' after it was decantered (was not trying to keep dregs either!)
19788

inside the fuel tank after a couple of wipe arounds... still dirty
19789



ANYWAY- after lots of wiping out and scrubbing, flushing of fuel line, replacing of filter and replacement filter --(better over cautious than not-- and I can use it as a spare!!!!!)

......its running...(fairly sweetly) ….its gonna be a while now before anything else much happens…..


Question 1--(of many) ---
where does the horn go and what should it look like??

I have a heap of spare ones most are huge but where and how is the question!

(s1 wiring diagram link anyone?)

Cheers
digger

[digger]

Great find - nice to see it still has the original engine. If this is a 56 it will be one of the very early 109s as they were not released in the UK until late 1956.

So you going to keep the rear tray in line with its farm working heritage or swap it over to an original tub?

Have lots of fun with it :).

Garry

Thanks Garry..

It bears serial number "123601265"

And thanks to the HO HARs, I was sent this!

"according to CalVIN, the Land Rover VIN CALculator

"123601265"


1 Type: Land Rover
23 Model: Land Rover, Series I,
Body type: Basic,
Wheel base: 109in (Long Wheel Base, LWB )
Engine: Petrol
Destination: Right-hand drive (RHD), completely knocked down (CKD)
6 Model year: 1956
01265 Serial number"

so its 56, the engine is from a different one ('55 "home market model?" I think it said, and is spread bore...

I have numbers of spare engine, diff, gearbox and a casted number from t/fer case still to follow up..


Id like to go back to original tray (and currently have no tailgate anyway!!) but until that happens I was toying with a wooden planked top across the wheel arches to make it look like a flat top!!!.. but as I said, only toying with that idea, it would come up almost even or just above the current sides! B)


cheers
digger

[The ho har's]

Nice pics and just think soon you will be able to do lots of work on the ex-mil ones:thumbsup: when those parts arrive:)

Mrs ho har:angel:

[Sleepy]

Congrats Digger, I had spoken to Joy about this one too. It looks a beaut. And apart from the cut down rear tray - looks largely unmolested. I new someone on here would grab it.:D

(PM Sent!)

[Grockle]

Nice one digger,keep us posted.

[digger]

Nice pics and just think soon you will be able to do lots of work on the ex-mil ones:thumbsup: when those parts arrive:)

Mrs ho har:angel:

Yes!! Thanks!! Its like Xmas here!! (for me anyhow, nay isnt so sure!)

For those who dont know, Both my ex mils are missing "ingredients" essential to being cooked back up to mil spec.

I found some panels& parts in qld, POP058 collected and babysat them for me, then sorted out what I needed and got rid of rest (properly-no throw aways!) for me, he then conveyed them all to "BRISVEGAS".. Thanks Paul!

Then the load was dropped off with the "HO HARS" , Harry and Caroline had not only taken possession of my stash they added lots of bits I needed to it and even collected another one that I bought on ebay!!.. then the load was packaged up and delivered to a freight depot to come to me!!!
Thanks Guys!!!

now those parts are on the way, Im very excited, three projects to get thumping on at once!!!!!..

this was all done via the REMLR forum and its a great thing!!


Cheers
Digger

[The ho har's]

Yes!! Thanks!! Its like Xmas here!! (for me anyhow, nay isnt so sure!)

For those who dont know, Both my ex mils are missing "ingredients" essential to being cooked back up to mil spec.

I found some panels& parts in qld, POP058 collected and babysat them for me, then sorted out what I needed and got rid of rest (properly-no throw aways!) for me, he then conveyed them all to "BRISVEGAS".. Thanks Paul!

Then the load was dropped off with the "HO HARS" , Harry and Caroline had not only taken possession of my stash they added lots of bits I needed to it and even collected another one that I bought on ebay!!.. then the load was packaged up and delivered to a freight depot to come to me!!!
Thanks Guys!!!

now those parts are on the way, Im very excited, three projects to get thumping on at once!!!!!..

this was all done via the REMLR forum and its a great thing!!


Cheers
Digger


we really didn't do anything out of the ordinary that's just how we do things here:D

see you in December...now I'm very excited:D


Mrs ho har:angel:

[ellard]

Hi there Digger

Touch base with me as I have a spare tray/tub if needed.

PS - does Mrs Digger know.......are you in trouble with the minster of finance....hahahahaha

Wayne

[dreamin']

This story just keeps getting better and better

First the find, then the shedful of spares, then a spare tub (for a 109!) turns up. What's next? Toolbox turns out to be full of NOS pork pie lights?

Digger, you must be happier than a dog with two tails to wag - well done

Congratulations everyone involved

[Shonky]

Congrats mate! :D

Was your "Horrie" named after Horrible Horrie Howard by any chance?

[digger]

This story just keeps getting better and better

First the find, then the shedful of spares, then a spare tub (for a 109!) turns up. What's next? Toolbox turns out to be full of NOS pork pie lights?

Digger, you must be happier than a dog with two tails to wag - well done

Congratulations everyone involved

Nah, he wouldnt have had more than 10 maybe, but the spare parts for them are allegedly hard to get so I left them there,:twisted::twisted:

Last I saw he was placing them in a line in front of his header tyres. to see how many he could jump....:eek:






and back to reality.... yep again Im in "BOBCAT mode" (a happy little digger!) and he reckons he has the drivers side door top there somewhere, he knows because he sat it next to the window glass and plastic he took out of it before!! when he finds it (and whatever else) he'll give me a call to take a trip out there..... he thinks the mirrors (guard mounted round mirrors) may have been thrown out in a recent clean up, "but they were both cracked"

[digger]

Mrs Digger here and yes Wayne I did know about this one.. not to sure how he could keep it from me (as Minster of Finance)
Must thank everyone on this site for all the wonderful help you have given Digger - the knowledge, tips and hints have been invaluable and saves me listening to him go on and on and on and on and on about why he cant do this and cant find that!!!!!!!!!! Thanks as it has made my life and his easier

[The ho har's]

Mrs Digger here and yes Wayne I did know about this one.. not to sure how he could keep it from me (as Minster of Finance)
Must thank everyone on this site for all the wonderful help you have given Digger - the knowledge, tips and hints have been invaluable and saves me listening to him go on and on and on and on and on about why he cant do this and cant find that!!!!!!!!!! Thanks as it has made my life and his easier


Hey Nay you should pop in more often:)


Mrs ho har :angel:

[d@rk51d3]

Hey Nay you should pop in more often:)


Mrs ho har :angel:

x2.



Oh, and well done on the new aquisition, Digger.:D

If you paint it Beige, you could call it Long Tan........... cause it's... long, and, you know.......tan.

[digger]

x2.



Oh, and well done on the new aquisition, Digger.:D

If you paint it Beige, you could call it Long Tan........... cause it's... long, and, you know.......tan.

I could go with the SA theme here then, using your idea, paint it the slate blue on top and tan under neath...than call it TANUNDA!...:eek:.

(you started it Darky!!:twisted:)

PS I didnt know Nay had popped online here....mm since she obviously reads these posts I should tell you all she is a beautiful lady and very nice as well!:D

[digger]

Congrats mate! :D

Was your "Horrie" named after Horrible Horrie Howard by any chance?

No...who the heck is that??

Theres Hagar....
but I had a "yotota rollux" (dual cab) for a fair while and my mum thought it was a terrible "ute thingy" (it was in good nick too until we rolled it up past oodnadatta one holiday - bloody bulldust roads!!)

anyway she named my cars. She looked at the thing and said "thats horrible" so it became "HORRIE".. and was known as horrie from that day forth...to everyone..

(I also had tommy toyota (73 fj40) and larry landcruiser (78 fj40) before I left the dark side and got Larry land rover (96 defender 110)...

anyway out of the previous names this one sprang to mind when Nay saw what I had when I came in and said "It followed me home can I keep it?" pointing to HORRIE on a trailer behind my ..work:o..car....!

[Shonky]

No...who the heck is that?

Among other things, he was the Commander of A Coy, 3RAR from late 1967 to late 1968.

[digger]

Among other things, he was the Commander of A Coy, 3RAR from late 1967 to late 1968.

MMM OK now i feel just a tad ignorant!!! as of now I do believe that is
who Horrie is named after!!! Thanks Shonky!

and shortly off to do some reading....

[digger]

Question:-

I have found and refitted the horn button and arm, it still has about 1' of wiring attached, so reaches to about the side of the "dash pod area"...

I have a total of about 8 horns to choose from, that done.... how does the wiring go (via what route, to what relay etc etc) to the horn which is located where??? It appears these havent been fitted for a very long time...

The wiring diagram doesnt help me.... After descriptions and photos please people, pop the bonnet, fire up that old cube flash kodak and lets see it...........please?

While Im at it --6.50/16's as per original size or 7.50/16's as per bigger tyres, pros and cons please?

cheers
digger

[Mooloolah-Paul]

Hi Digger,

My experience with Landy tyres over 40 years:
I found 6.00 way too small and 7.50 too big unless you want it to look like a monster truck. 6.50 are the original and look good but my personal preference is for 7.00 crossply which look chunky. If you go to my thread of a couple of weeks ago (57662054 - Matilda the second) you can see what they look like on the vehicle. The one on the bonnet is new.
You need to decide on radials or crossplies as they can't be mixed. Radial last longer on bitumen and are much quieter on bitumen but take them into the desert and you'll tear the sidewalls in short order. The originals were crossplies (bias ply) which are tougher with better grip off road but wear quickly and are noisy on bitumen.
Best value crossplies are Otani (on the bonnet) or MRF from a very good factory in India. Any good tyre dealer can get them for you, about $185 each. If not, message me for the websites. If you want Firestones they are expensive from Classic Tyres in Melbourne.
Good luck, Paul:)

[Shonky]

MMM OK now i feel just a tad ignorant!!! as of now I do believe that is
who Horrie is named after!!! Thanks Shonky!

and shortly off to do some reading....

No wuckers. ;)

Should make for an interesting read... he was perhaps most famous for leading nine M113s on a charge during Tet '68. :twisted:

Of course, I'm just spouting the history book. All of this happened well before I was born.

Most of my exposure to his work has been that of his later (up to retirement) efforts in civvy street. ;)

[d@rk51d3]

I have a total of about 8 horns to choose from,...........



Well there ya go. Fit them all, and call her "Horny". :p

[digger]

I have a two hour window of oppourtunity (<--spelling?) in the morning ending at 1100. So if possib le can someone pop their bonnet and show me the following things by photo or description please??? That way I may be able to install my horn before work... (I really want it done!)

1... interior and path of wires, where do they come thru firewall?
2... under bonnet, wires go where? (I suspect into the round junction box? I have two spare posts/spots in this fitting....
3... where the heck does the horn bolt in?? Cant find anything with corresponding holes???


cheers, thanks.
(off to bed!)

digger

[101RRS]

These may be of assistance. This is an original 88 so all things are basically where they should be (I think).

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e334/gazzz21/Pickup011.jpg

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e334/gazzz21/Pickup012.jpg

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e334/gazzz21/S1010.jpg

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e334/gazzz21/S1004.jpg

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e334/gazzz21/S1007.jpg
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e334/gazzz21/S1001.jpg

Garry

[digger]

Thanks Gary!!

No wonder I couldnt work out where it bolted!!! I was looking down not up!!!

i have a different electrical set up once we near the fuel pump... thanks again !!!!

(started sorting it out but ran out of time today!!)

cheers
digger

ps did the wiring change in the last shot?... ;)

[101RRS]

ps did the wiring change in the last shot?... ;)

Ha ha - that was to test if you were paying attention - well not really but it is a good excuse for how it snuck in. Disregard it - I managed to get some pics of the engine bay of my swb station wagon mixed up the the basic 88 pics on my computer. The basic is original but the station wagon has a few mods - like a siamese engine instead of a spreadbore:mad: .

Sorry about that - the others are the right ones though,

Garry

[d@rk51d3]

Well there ya go. Fit them all, and call her "Horny". :p

Sooooo, that's not good enough then, eh?

Hmmmmmm, well, sticking with the horn theme..............

...

...

... What about "hooters"?.......... no?

...

...

..."rootin' tootin'"?................. no?


There's just no pleasing some people.:p

[Lost Landy]

Hows Honky Tonk???

[digger]

MMM thanks guys, but NO THANKS!


now back to it,,, I have a bundle of questions... starting one at a time!!!

A) Does anyone have the +/- dash female plugs that they dont want ?
(theyve been ripped out of this one!)
B) From the horn button I have about 1' of wiring and two joiners on end,
1*-where does this wiring go- how is it held?,
2*-where does it pass through the firewall?
3*-do the wires join into the circular bakelite junction box near the steering box?
4*-I assume there should be a horn relay,...whats it look like, wheres it go?
(aluminium topped 'box' on firewall?) & if so how?

the horn is now painted and dangling from the pass side bonnet hinge bolts..
it gives an attempt when direct to battery obviously needs relay...
also have rear windows now (well... clear perspex panels, ;) need some chrome trim for the meeting edge of them but thatll be later! (where from?) ) have two side sliding panel size bits cut for the doors ready... also have to cut some "handle" squares out to attach to windows.

I still dont have a magnatex for this one - appears had the old lifting arm "trafficators" previously fitted, (no bits left but holes all along the horn arm edge apparently is how they used to mount them..)

no wiring to rear tray that I can see, but maybe travels internally?
5*- handbrake appears to operate but wont 'catch', have a spare but cannot get "button" to unscrew from one currently in the car to go on this replacement one....is there some trick to this (or do I need more weeties in the morings? :o )

Need to get hoses done for brakes, as a standard 56 109 is there anything I should know? I only saw three hoses when I had a quick look today... only 1 flexible hose at rear???

SEATS. got 2 (blue) how common was a third (middle) seat and how different were they in construction?

*-is internal frame of seats easy to make from scratch?
*-does anyone have a "pattern" for the frames, I think I saw a pattern
for the material covering....
*-can the seat back also be reasonably easily made (except the
brackets obviously!)

they'll be lots more questions.... if you can help with answers / photos / diagrams etc all would be much appreciated....

[d@rk51d3]

I've got a spare set of power sockets, but they're from a Rangie.

I think the early stuff had pins the same size, whereas later models had one pin fatter, so you couldn't reverse the polarity.

If you want them, I'll bring them to the BBQ as well.;)

[JDNSW]

MMM thanks guys, but NO THANKS!


now back to it,,, I have a bundle of questions... starting one at a time!!!

A) Does anyone have the +/- dash female plugs that they dont want ?
(theyve been ripped out of this one!)
B) From the horn button I have about 1' of wiring and two joiners on end,
1*-where does this wiring go- how is it held?,
2*-where does it pass through the firewall?
3*-do the wires join into the circular bakelite junction box near the steering box?
4*-I assume there should be a horn relay,...whats it look like, wheres it go?
(aluminium topped 'box' on firewall?) & if so how?

the horn is now painted and dangling from the pass side bonnet hinge bolts..
it gives an attempt when direct to battery obviously needs relay...
also have rear windows now (well... clear perspex panels, ;) need some chrome trim for the meeting edge of them but thatll be later! (where from?) ) have two side sliding panel size bits cut for the doors ready... also have to cut some "handle" squares out to attach to windows.

I still dont have a magnatex for this one - appears had the old lifting arm "trafficators" previously fitted, (no bits left but holes all along the horn arm edge apparently is how they used to mount them..)

no wiring to rear tray that I can see, but maybe travels internally?
5*- handbrake appears to operate but wont 'catch', have a spare but cannot get "button" to unscrew from one currently in the car to go on this replacement one....is there some trick to this (or do I need more weeties in the morings? :o )

Need to get hoses done for brakes, as a standard 56 109 is there anything I should know? I only saw three hoses when I had a quick look today... only 1 flexible hose at rear???

SEATS. got 2 (blue) how common was a third (middle) seat and how different were they in construction?

*-is internal frame of seats easy to make from scratch?
*-does anyone have a "pattern" for the frames, I think I saw a pattern
for the material covering....
*-can the seat back also be reasonably easily made (except the
brackets obviously!)

they'll be lots more questions.... if you can help with answers / photos / diagrams etc all would be much appreciated....

1, 2, 3, 4. Horn wiring goes through the firewall alongside the steering column, and is held by a plastic or rubber tie round the column. It goes to the junction box. No Series Landrover had a horn relay.

Trim on edge of rear windows I think is aluminium not chrome.

No turn indicators would have been fitted originally (unless it came into Australia second hand), as these were not a legal substitute for hand signals when this was built. After these became legal to use about 1958 it is likely that one of a wide variety of aftermarket indicators would have been fitted.

Wiring to the rear is internal to the chassis, RH chassis rail from memory.

I don't think there is a trick to the handbrake knob.

There are three brake hoses - check the threads on them, but I think they will be UNF same as the Series 2/2a.

All (or almost all) Series Landrovers had three seats across the front. Seats are of similar construction but I suspect the middle one is a different width to the other two - this is the case on the Series 2/2a/3.

Can't help with the rest of the seat questions (I don't have a Series 1 and it is a long time since I owned one).

Hope this helps.

John

[123rover50]

The three front seats are the same. I printed a pattern for mine off the forum archives. Try the search either here or the series 1 forum.

Didiman

[digger]

OK, the plans for seats are here ... "Series 1 info....bits n pieces"
(not sure if i copied the shortcut right!) anyway, its a sticky and unfortunately they are too small to be readable..

does anyone, perchance have a copy they can email me?

2ndly, how hard is a 'safari roof" for a s1 cab to get..?


cheers
(still looking for a name (and rule out "claxton"...darkside!!!)
digger

(ps went to Lens landrovers a few days ago, he said hello and asked me to help him carry out some scrap..... it was a 109 tray, complete until he had used the recip. saw to halve its width!!! he did it about 30 mins before I got there....bugger!...)

[numpty]

I presume you mean "tropical" roof. Whatever, I dont know where to get one, nor have I seen one except in the books, but I would like one for my 107 Tuck Cab also.

[digger]

I presume you mean "tropical" roof. Whatever, I dont know where to get one, nor have I seen one except in the books, but I would like one for my 107 Tuck Cab also.

i asked a bloke about one just after i got my 109...and he has rung me back this morning...but i need to take the whole cab... (not a problem really) and he says I may need to "refabricate" some of the tropical roof panel if I want it in really good nick.... that said, if I get it, Ill dismantle and measure everything and you can knock up your own?!

he's still looking he thinks he knows where there may be a "long one" (i didnt ask...wish i did??) so if he does il keep you on top of list N.
and theres no promises its a factory roof not a bodged up one apparently!

digger

[digger]

gday,
just to update...

1) still after these...
"OK, the plans for seats are here ... "Series 1 info....bits n pieces"
(not sure if i copied the shortcut right!) anyway, its a sticky and unfortunately they are too small to be readable..

does anyone, perchance have a copy they can email me?"

2) in relation to this...
i asked a bloke about one just after i got my 109...and he has rung me back this morning...but i need to take the whole cab... (not a problem really) and he says I may need to "refabricate" some of the tropical roof panel if I want it in really good nick.... that said, if I get it, Ill dismantle and measure everything and you can knock up your own?!

he's still looking he thinks he knows where there may be a "long one" (i didnt ask...wish i did??) so if he does il keep you on top of list N.
and theres no promises its a factory roof not a bodged up one apparently!

I have bought and collected the cab... will post photos when I get a chance.

part 2 of that.... I apparently completely misunderstood what he said, and he doesnt know where a long one is...sorry.

will take photos, measurements etc etc when I can...

*(this whole cab will go on my s1 (STILL UNNAMED) 109.

cheers
digger

[ellard]

Hi tehre Digger

Regarding seats - I have just bought a set of seats from exmoor trim in the UK , they were complette (in red trim and for the firefly)

They worked out cheaper than I could get done locally ......

Might be worth getting a price..............

Wayne

PS - The Command Recon will be here next week

[numpty]

Digger, I made new seat bases for our S1 88" (same for 86/107/109)and I'm sure I made a drawing of the frame. I'll have a look and see if I can find it. We then had them recovered for $100 each by a local trimmer. He did use the old dunlopillo cushions.

[digger]

gday,
just to update...
i asked a bloke about one just after i got my 109...and he has rung me back this morning...but i need to take the whole cab... (not a problem really) and he says I may need to "refabricate" some of the tropical roof panel if I want it in really good nick.... that said, if I get it, Ill dismantle and measure everything and you can knock up your own?!


I have bought and collected the cab... will post photos when I get a chance.

will take photos, measurements etc etc when I can...

*(this whole cab will go on my s1 (STILL UNNAMED) 109.

cheers
digger


attached is a bmp of rough measurements etc of tropical roof on this cab.
I hope it is readable!!

20760

i have taken photos but havent got time to reduce them yet so will post them later...

sorry but the piccy is a bitmap!

cheers.
digger

[numpty]

attached is a bmp of rough measurements etc of tropical roof on this cab.
I hope it is readable!!

20760

i have taken photos but havent got time to reduce them yet so will post them later...

sorry but the piccy is a bitmap!

cheers.
digger

Thanks Digger, I look forward to the pics. :BigThumb:

[digger]

Thanks Digger, I look forward to the pics. :BigThumb:

and then I really hope these dont let you down!!

20776
the cab roof

20777
the front leading edge of roof

20778
interior of cab (shows bolts etc --and int trim and light)

20779
right side (drivers side) end of roof

20780
front centre of tropical roof


more to follow
digger

[digger]

20781
tropical roof, centre rear
(note 'scollaped' (<-spelling?) edge details over roof support braces--same as front (last post))

20782
centre rear showing support bracing distances

20783
showing length of tropical roof

20784
showing width of tropical roof

20785
showing height of support (ends) pillars -tropical roof




few more to follow

digger

[digger]

20786
tropical roof, height at rear

20787
tropical roof, support brace/edge strip (90 deg angle strip) (central front and rear same) length

note that the z braces are attached to tropical roof (welds?) and that the roof is then pop riveted to the cab roof support channels...(what are they called them big square things, im called them about 4 different names so far!!)

any more required, please ask and Ill see what I can do,

cheers
digger

[digger]

when I got the above cab I also collected the "bench seat back" that came with it! (he was gonna throw it!)

it is a single piece back that fits into holes in seat brackets in vehicle already and then is secured with small slide bolts on cab rear wall...

ive never seen or heard of one before... has anyone else?
it appears well made...a long time ago! (is that dunlopillo?)

a couple of photos....

20788

20789

20790

just thought it was interesting!

oh the slide bolts..
20791

cheers

digger

[numpty]

Sure looks like Dunlopillo to me.

[JDNSW]

when I got the above cab I also collected the "bench seat back" that came with it! (he was gonna throw it!)

it is a single piece back that fits into holes in seat brackets in vehicle already and then is secured with small slide bolts on cab rear wall...

ive never seen or heard of one before... has anyone else?
it appears well made...a long time ago! (is that dunlopillo?)

a couple of photos....

20788

20789

20790

just thought it was interesting!

oh the slide bolts..
20791

cheers

digger

The one piece back was part of the deluxe pack introduced for the 107 when released (it was only available as a utility and later stationwagon). I'm not sure how many 107 and S1 109 utes here had it, but probably not uncommon among them. Smith's book implies it later became available for other models, but I have never seen it except in the lwb ute.

The padding would be Dunlopillo.

John

[digger]

The one piece back was part of the deluxe pack introduced for the 107 when released (it was only available as a utility and later stationwagon). I'm not sure how many 107 and S1 109 utes here had it, but probably not uncommon among them. Smith's book implies it later became available for other models, but I have never seen it except in the lwb ute.

The padding would be Dunlopillo.

John

Thanks JD, thanks everyone...I thought it looked too well made to be a straight shonky (sorry shonks!) or bodged up job... glad I grabbed it now!

At the moment im thinking of getting it recovered the same time when I get the seats etc for the "oldie" redone... and Im thinking of fitting the basic slidebolt securing mechanisms for the top/sides into the cab so I have both options, the little seat backs and the bench seat back. Only have two seats so seems overkill in the middle!, also gets in the way of the gun rack!!

more importantly, having problems with getting any response to starter button etc at the moment, battery is charged, but nothing happens on starter push....get sparks when I bridge starter bolts so there is power...

will have a "play about" and see what I can manage!...(frustrating though because it was running beaut only 2 weeks ago!) may need to get my multimeter working!

still lots (and lots and lots) to do on it...

still havent come up with a name....

and hoping to get a surge on all my projects after xmas and new year!


digger

[digger]

and then I really hope these dont let you down!!

20776
the cab roof
more to follow
digger


Something I'll just point out, note the angle of join between side supports (the ones placed under the canopy,) and second roof skin... this angle obviously makes the shape contour to the body/roof lines...

[digger]

Just hooked up the jumper leads to give the S1 a start, about to turn it over when I saw that there was smoke!!!:o:mad:

appears wiring leading off from back of starter button has "fritzed", its bare and burnt!

looks like considerable delay now!:mad::eek::( was all seeming to go ok should have known something was going to happen....)

time to start looking at wiring looms.... :(
was hoping to have it going and there for the BBQ day before Xmas!


digger

[Shonky]

AUTO SPARKS (http://www.autosparks.co.uk/product_info.php?products_id=1305)

You're looking at about $250+. Exchange rate is your friend. ;)

[easo]

Shaping into a good project.

[ellard]

Hi there Digger

Hows the progress going - running yet

Wayne

[digger]

were saving furiously to increase our deposit on the place were trying to buy, this will severely slow progress on these!

on the up side.... i think i may have decieded on a name....

"Blue Juan" as in blue series 1.... but waiting to see how it feels over time!

enjoy the royal visit? I know they did!!


digger

[d@rk51d3]

How about "smokey".

[ellard]

Hi there


were saving furiously to increase our deposit on the place were trying to buy

The joys of starting again.........not.


i think i may have decieded on a name....

"Blue Juan" as in blue series 1.... but waiting to see how it feels over time!



This is one thing I have never realy got into - maybe I should start naming the toys...............big red - little red hahahaha



enjoy the royal visit? I know they did!!

Went well - they didnt leave empty handed........but we had a good time.

They didnt go up north with me but were amazed with the boxes and boxes of new oldstock parts (and the brand new tilts).

[The ho har's]

Went well - they didnt leave empty handed........but we had a good time.

They didnt go up north with me but were amazed with the boxes and boxes of new oldstock parts (and the brand new tilts).


Now don't forget what I wanted from your soon to get stash:D;)

yeah we had a great time in S.A. and send me your address so we can send back your signage;)


Mrs ho har:angel:

[digger]

How about "smokey".

Oh Man!!!!


that is so harsh!


Im upset and Im gunna tell your mum youve been nasty to me!!!

so there...and there is nothing you can do to stop me!




Ummmm can you please send your mum & dads phone number.....its hard to dob without the number!!!.

[ellard]

Hi there Digger

Are they being nasty to you............dont worry my wife calls mine Chitty Chitty bang bang - but on a better note, my old landy has given up smoking (hahahaha)

You have heard the old Land Rover Saying - if there not leaking oil they have non.

All the best

Wayne

[digger]

and whilst away I was offered "whatever you need" off a s1 on a property of a workmate......

I popped over to have a look....
and although it has a holden engine it seems good to me....except for the modified firewall (as in rusted out in vents area!)

so I think Ill get it off him and look for a s1 firewall.... 1957 if i read it correctly..

22102

22103

22104

22105

22106

The spare tyre is just sitting between the bullbar and guards.....
the interior has three seats, and three spade (well thats what I call them) backs...

more to come....

digger

[digger]

it also had some surprises... the holed bar across rear (implement bar?)
and under the middle seat a little home made door....
22107

22108

22109

22110

22111

it has a PTO with "concealed lever!!!"
and a killer rollbar (that I think is a shocker)

anyway.... I like it... I may m.ake moves to get it but Ill need a firewall......

anyone have a spare??? :)

cheers
digger

[ellard]

Hi there Digger

What a great find.....

Parts alone its worth a few dollars - dont tell the wife but depending on dollars its worth purchasing.

PM - me

Wayne

[Larry]

................and under the middle seat a little home made door......

Are you sure it's home made? My 80" has one there also.:D

[ellard]

Hi there


Are you sure it's home made? My 80" has one there also

I will stand corrected but believe they were an optional extra on the 86" and 88'' etc - and were only fitted for those vehicles with a PTO.

All the 80" had the hole there from factory.

Wayne

[Sleepy]

Are you sure it's home made? My 80" has one there also.
I have a "dunny seat" in my 107. Although I think the previous owner got it from a 86/88

[digger]

Hi there Digger

What a great find.....

Parts alone its worth a few dollars - dont tell the wife but depending on dollars its worth purchasing.

PM - me

Wayne

cheers mate, but when i started looking at landys a swb s1 was what i loved....so you got little chance!!! and im not thinking of parting out im thinking of firewalling in!! (did that make sense to anyone else!)




Quote:
Originally Posted by digger
................and under the middle seat a little home made door......

Are you sure it's home made? My 80" has one there also.


well now Im not so sure its homemade!!!.........


I will stand corrected but believe they were an optional extra on the 86" and 88'' etc - and were only fitted for those vehicles with a PTO.

All the 80" had the hole there from factory.

Wayne


now I almost convinced its factory made....




I have a "dunny seat" in my 107. Although I think the previous owner got it from a 86/88
Sleepy


well bugger it!! now i am convinced!!!!!

cheers guys,
digger

[ellard]

Hi there

Be carefull as they grow on you digger...and within you shed, yard etc etc

Wayne

[dennisS1]

Its not home made, its Landy.
Dennis

[digger]

not much has happened to the s1, still trying to get approval from relative govt bodies to subdivide a house block off a farm so we can get it!!

I have been getting advice re: wiring looms and who to use via a source I would consider very expert, so I sent an email off to this mob....
" vintagecarparts.co.uk " and they seem really good.

They sent the attached Excel doc. with looms and prices, starts at s1 & just keeps going!!...

also there was this "speel" explaining the excel doc.



'Digger" , thankyou for your enquiry this is the explanation for the product list as I promised.

reading columns:
column B - loom reference number
column C - total number of cable pieces in loom, this includes odd pieces off the main loom, but does not include the cables up the steer column stator tube nor the battery to starter heavy leads which is NOT included in the loom anyway.
column D - finish - B is cotton braid
- P is plastic PVC. the outer is braided or taped, and the cables are colour coded to original colours.
thus BB is colour coded cotton braid cables with braided outer binding. PB is colour coded pvc cables with braided outer binding.
PP is colour coded pvc cables with plastic taped outer binding
column E - our understanding of the year coverage of the item
column F and G - model reference name
column H - identifying features apparent to distinguish different patterns
column I - price of item. this is subject to carriage and VAT is applicable within EU.
if the listing is for a BB loom as standard, a PB loom can be supplied at a saving of 10% on the price shown.

most looms are made to order, however some popular looms are made in batches and sometimes available from stock. it is assumed that looms
are made 'as standard' as though the vehicle has been despatched from works originally. however modifications always included are that
headlamps are both dipping (against early one dips on solenoid and other goes out) and brake lights are included.
additional costs commonly sought are adding flashers to each corner - typical cost additional £10.00 to cost, however you will be
questioned by us on where the switch and flasher unit etc is to be fitted before we proceed on manufacture.
additional wires normally to rear for high intensity rears or reversing lamp can be incorporated at additional cost

if a vehicle was originally 6 volt, there is no problem at all in fitting these looms to 12 volt systems. similarly conversion from
Negative or Positive earth.
on later vehicles conversion from dynamo to alternator can be incorporated at additional cost on individual request.
please note that we do not become involved with sound system wires etc incorporated at all.
postage approx £25
regards vintage supplies uk
23762
<<<These files may be of use to others needing wiring right across the range, so someone may wish to copy and paste them wherever that would be appropriate..note these are 18-3-10 prices..>>>

now I just need to work out what bits I need!!!

cheers
digger

[digger]

Tuesday 30-4 received an email advising loom was posted, total purchase and post was $299 aus!

[back_in]

gee Digger
has the better half has been working over time
299 is a good price
will look with a Mickey mouse loom
cheers
Ian

ps any news re other Q's from a while ago?

[digger]

as yet, no... but it was not ruled out as emphatically as previously so maybe with time and persistance??! I will (as I said before) keep trying!

digger

[mildred]

Hi Digger
when I restored my Series 1 , I had a new wiring harness made up by Alan Taylor of "vintage wiring Harness", they also made on for my Chevy 1934 standard sedan at very reasonable costs. See there website at...

Vintage Wiring Harness - Vehicle List - A (http://www.vinwire.com.au/jl_list.htm)
Peter

[lkkipping@bigpond.com]

Your one lucky landy lover, looking at some of those parts its like finding gold, good luck

[digger]

Hi Digger
when I restored my Series 1 , I had a new wiring harness made up by Alan Taylor of "vintage wiring Harness", they also made on for my Chevy 1934 standard sedan at very reasonable costs. See there website at...

Vintage Wiring Harness - Vehicle List - A (http://www.vinwire.com.au/jl_list.htm)
Peter


cheers but

"1956-58 SERIES 1 PETROL 109 INCH WHEELBASE CKD LR588/2 $404 $445"

vs $299 INCL POST!! I think that shows why I chose UK!

I am a believer in supporting local businesses, but I will not knowingly become a sponsor!!!

digger

[mildred]

cheers but

"1956-58 SERIES 1 PETROL 109 INCH WHEELBASE CKD LR588/2 $404 $445"

vs $299 INCL POST!! I think that shows why I chose UK!

I am a believer in supporting local businesses, but I will not knowingly become a sponsor!!!

digger
hi digger
I under stand you position completely, I would do the same in a similar circumstance. My link might prove useful for others wanting an Australian loom at a price. Alan Taylor is very competent and even makes looms for the military forces. (Kevin's best mate no less). But I hope that this is of some help to someone out there with a series one landie?........:D

[back_in]

Hi
a little Fairy told me a story
may not be true
Vinwire obtain landy looms from U.K.
and it would take 3/4 weeks to supply?
cheers
Ian

[ellard]

Hi there


a little Fairy told me a story
may not be true
Vinwire obtain landy looms from U.K.
and it would take 3/4 weeks to supply?


Heard the same story......

Wayne

[Tote]

Ordered a harness and front light loom for my 107 tonight from Autosparks. 204 GBP including shipping.
Regards,
Tote

[digger]

OK, after letting all the smoke out of my wiring, I have been farting about just trying to get the old thing running,

There must still be a bit of smoke left in there, I have it turining over and even starting IF I pour fuel down the carbi...BUT the fuel pump won't play, I am getting power to the top connection, but no "clickk click" from inside the pump....

ideas?...it worked well prior to the smoke escaping, could it be affected by that event?....yes there is fuel (not "gas" as someone keeps referring to it! :mad: ) yes there is power, no fuel blocks etc, the fuel pump is standard lucas 'standing tube" style on fire wall with good earth to body...


before I undo it all....any suggestions?

cheers
digger

[Mick-Kelly]

This sounds exactly like my problem two days ago. Pump ticked away but wasnt doing much. We pulled it apart and gave it a clean and put it back in and now no more clicky. Ended up replacing it and now she goes like a ripper. There was bit of crud in the old pump and i think it had just had its day.

[mildred]

This sounds exactly like my problem two days ago. Pump ticked away but wasnt doing much. We pulled it apart and gave it a clean and put it back in and now no more clicky. Ended up replacing it and now she goes like a ripper. There was bit of crud in the old pump and i think it had just had its day.

just to let you know what I experienced with my petrol pump. it may be of some help to others...
Pump stopped ticking, removed pump to inspect and clean if possible.
everything seemed OK.
Took pump into local club member garage an explained the problem.
he tested it and said it was OK , but then sent to Sydney company for further testing.
Revilo SU Repair and Restoration (http://users.tpg.com.au/revilo/)
One week later pump returned, tested OK , NO CHARGE FOR TESTING
club member returned pump to my hot little hands.
Refitted pump at home and still did not work! bugger..
Phoned my brother and told of sad tale of woe.
He, an experienced owner of many MG's with similar pumps then said the following.
Peter, you pump has to "suck" the fuel and if the pipe is any way obstructed it wont 'suck'.
I removed the pipes from the pump and the glass filter and blew them out with compressed air.
Refitted pipes and pump has been working faithfully ever since.

Look, listen, read and learn

tata from me

PS this latest pump is fully electronic, no points etc, but has a ticker inside to give the original sound of the old pump, keeps the purists happy on a sunny day and me all the time...:whistling:

[123rover50]

Ordered a harness and front light loom for my 107 tonight from Autosparks. 204 GBP including shipping.
Regards,
Tote

Thats 400 odd bucks anyway. Where does that 299 bucks in post 79 come from?

[bobslandies]

Thats 400 odd bucks anyway. Where does that 299 bucks in post 79 come from?

Hi Keith,

I think it was from a different company (vintagecarparts.co.uk) - see the link to their price list in post 72

Bob

[Tote]

When I bought mine it was $343.98 on my credit card statement. Exchange rate has probably deteriorated since then.

Regards,
Tote

[mildred]

just to let you know what I experienced with my petrol pump. it may be of some help to others...
Pump stopped ticking, removed pump to inspect and clean if possible.
everything seemed OK.
Took pump into local club member garage an explained the problem.
he tested it and said it was OK , but then sent to Sydney company for further testing.
Revilo SU Repair and Restoration (http://users.tpg.com.au/revilo/)
One week later pump returned, tested OK , NO CHARGE FOR TESTING
club member returned pump to my hot little hands.
Refitted pump at home and still did not work! bugger..
Phoned my brother and told of sad tale of woe.
He, an experienced owner of many MG's with similar pumps then said the following.
Peter, you pump has to "suck" the fuel and if the pipe is any way obstructed it wont 'suck'.
I removed the pipes from the pump and the glass filter and blew them out with compressed air.
Refitted pipes and pump has been working faithfully ever since.

Look, listen, read and learn

tata from me

PS this latest pump is fully electronic, no points etc, but has a ticker inside to give the original sound of the old pump, keeps the purists happy on a sunny day and me all the time...:whistling:

PS the link above was not the company that did not charge , but one link that I found useful.
This is the link in Australia that returned the SU fuel pump , tested and tried and absolutely no charge, because it was working perfectly, here it is:

Home | Midel Australia (http://www.sumidel.com/)

A real bonza company who do their stuff and obviously enjoy what they do for enthusiasts...

[mildred]

OK, after letting all the smoke out of my wiring, I have been farting about just trying to get the old thing running,

There must still be a bit of smoke left in there, I have it turining over and even starting IF I pour fuel down the carbi...BUT the fuel pump won't play, I am getting power to the top connection, but no "clickk click" from inside the pump....

ideas?...it worked well prior to the smoke escaping, could it be affected by that event?....yes there is fuel (not "gas" as someone keeps referring to it! :mad: ) yes there is power, no fuel blocks etc, the fuel pump is standard lucas 'standing tube" style on fire wall with good earth to body...


before I undo it all....any suggestions?

cheers
digger

Digger,
its most important to blow out the pipe from the glass filter to the fuel tank.
If it has the very slightest obstruction or partial blockage of gunk or other, it will not suck .
No matter what you do it wont work and consequently not SUCK.
I recommend that you check this first, along with blowing out the rest of the fuel lines.
Peter:)

[back_in]

Hi All
this the 2nd time I have posted this over time
I got a Electronic pump S.U. for Just over 50 Quid from U.K
landed with postage around 70 Quid
equal to about $130Aus
cheers
Ian

[digger]

Thanks Ian!


I was looking for you at the Model T clubrooms (port rd) on Sunday but
apparently you werent there!! It wasnt much of a swap meet unfortunately but they said only just starting "open" ones so expect better in future.
Didnt mind the G4 there so wasn't a wasted trip!

Hope your trip (and the wedding etc) went well

cheers
Digger

[mildred]

Hi All
this the 2nd time I have posted this over time
I got a Electronic pump S.U. for Just over 50 Quid from U.K
landed with postage around 70 Quid
equal to about $130Aus
cheers
Ian
Hi Ian
I bought mine from Midas for about $ 250-00 from memory in Sydney. Your price from the UK is amazing. BTW the exchange rate is dreadful aus to UK pound. I have bought parts from America for half the price from UK because the exchange rate is superb at the moment.:)

[digger]

Stats on a 56 lwb (109) petrol



Identification data LAND-ROVER 109
(as offered for 1956 - Europe - Worldwide and North America )
Production/sales period: 1956-1958
Model year/s: 1956-1958
Country of origin: GB United Kingdom
Make: Land-Rover
Model: Series I
1948-1958
Type: Series I lwb utility / Pick-Up 1953-1958

Class: mid-size off-road
Body style: Utility / pick-up - off-road
Doors: 2
Traction: 4x4 part-time (rear permanent, front engaged manually in off-road conditions), transfer case 2.89/1.15

Powertrain
Engine manufacturer: Rover 2.0-Litre
Engine type: spark-ignition 4-stroke
Fuel type: petrol (gasoline)
Fuel system: Carburettor
Charge system: naturally aspirated
Valves per cylinder: 2
Valves timing:
Additional features: Solex

Dimensions & capacities
Length: 4407 mm / 173.5 in
Width: 1590 mm / 62.6 in
Height: 1800 mm / 70.9 in
Wheelbase: 2769 mm / 109 in
Front track: 1270 mm / 50 in
Rear track: 1270 mm / 50 in
Ground clearance:
Fuel: 73 litre / 19.3 U.S. gal / 16 imp. gal

Turning circle btw. walls:
Turning circle btw. curbs:
Drag coefficient claimed:
Drag coefficient estimated: 0.9:D

Powertrain
Cylinders alignment: Line 4
Displacement: 1997 cm3 / 121.5 cui
Bore: 77.8 mm / 3.06 in
Stroke: 105 mm / 4.13 in
Compression ratio: 6.7 : 1
Power net: 39 kW / 53 PS / 52 hp (net) / 4000
Torque: 137 Nm / 101 ft-lb / 1500
Power gross: 43.5 kW / 59 PS / 58 hp (gross) / 4000
Torque gross:
Redline rpm:

Drivetrain
Gearbox:
Transmission type: manual
Number of gears: 4
Gear ratios (overall):
I 3 (16.17)
II 2.045 (11.02)
III 1.378 (7.43)
IV 1 (5.39) / 4000
R 2.54

Speed range (km/h/mph):
I: 34 / 21
II: 50 / 31
III: 74 / 46
IV: 102 / 63


1000rpm speed (km/h/mph):
I: 8.1 / 5
II: 11.8 / 7.3
III: 17.5 / 10.9
IV: 24.2 / 15


Torque converter factor:
Final drive ratio std: 5.39
optional:

(4.7 x 1.147)
Standard tyres: 7.00 x 16

Weights
Curb weight (without a driver): 1567 kg / 3455 lbs


Top speeds simulation
Top speed: 96 km/h / 60 mph (theor. without speed governor)

Acceleration:

0-30 km/h (s): 4.1
0-40 km/h (s): 6.6
0-50 km/h (s): 9.6
0-60 km/h (s): 12.9
0-70 km/h (s): 17.9
0-80 km/h (s): 25.7
0-90 km/h (s): 41.6
0-100 km/h (s): (not feasable)


0-20 mph (s): 4.8
0-30 mph (s): 9
0-40 mph (s): 14.8
0-50 mph (s): 26.2
0-60 mph (s): (not feasabe)


0- 1/4mile (s): 26.2
speed at 1/4mile: 80 km/h / 50 mph


Fuel consumption extra-urban / city / highway / average combined:
(city cycle is based on typical European traffic)
l/100km: - / 13.7 /16.6 / - /
mpg (imp.): - / 17-21 / - /
mpg (U.S.): - / 14-17 / - /
km/l: - / 6-7 / - /


courtesy of a website that features model by model... incl acceleration estimates

[digger]

Oops! :( now I'll add the website!

seems pretty good. - great comparison feature (up to 5)
compare 1948 series 1 vs jeep 1948- interesting

The complete catalog of cars: automobile-catalog.com (http://www.automobile-catalog.com/index.php)

cheers
digger

[digger]

I've had one of these come into my possession.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2012/01/474.jpg

It's a large oval shaped spotlight, heavy, chrome, blue spot light

It is marked 'NOTEK" at the top of the chrome facia and 'ROAD MASTER" on the top of the glass.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2012/01/475.jpg

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2012/01/476.jpg

and has british patent detail on back
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2012/01/477.jpg

It has a 6v large globe in it at the moment, I think it would look good on the S1 (if I ever find a tray!) and am wondering if I can just swap globes or is it
likely to be more involved than that?

Or is it something better kept for a 6v vehicle? (I have no idea what year this would be but tend to think 40-50's?)

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2012/01/478.jpg

I can't find much history etc about them at all...:(
anyone know anything or have any comments about them it would be appreciated. :D

[123rover50]

I dont think it would be a spotlight. More of a flood or spreadbeam looking at the fluting of the lense.

[digger]

I dont think it would be a spotlight. More of a flood or spreadbeam looking at the fluting of the lense.

yes, lazy terminology on my part!!..and with a 6v globe dont think it will be blinding!

[ellard]

Hi there Digger

What sort of tray are you after - can as the person in town.....if he has any in good condition.

Wayne

[digger]

full tray for a '56 109 s1 (first of 109's)

when I last spoke to him he didnt think he had one but it was late in the evening and I was passing through with the parts 80" from the west coast.

Everything about your place stopped smelling of burnt scrub yet? :)
(Did you think about turning out your fleet of trucks to help? :) :) )

[ellard]

Hi there Digger


I will ask - just in case

as for


Everything about your place stopped smelling of burnt scrub yet

Burnt alot of land 8500ha - and without the rain it may have burnt twice that.


Did you think about turning out your fleet of trucks to help

I spend 5 days on the fire ground, as no one was home as a precaution Melenee did move the animals (thought it strange she didnt move my toys).

Approx 300 fire fighter and 7 water bombers - and on the Friday the planes did 176 water drops as it was racing through the pass before hitting town - but we stopped it on the heysen trail (back burning at night).

All the best

Wayne