Avgas in Brisbane

[awabbit6]

After several years of being out of motorsport, I've decided to dust the cobwebs of my Datto take it out for a bit of fun this weekend. When I built the engine for the car, I built it to run on Optimax. I ran it 2 years ago and found that Optimax isn't what it used to be so started running it on Avgas.
Seems things have changed in the last couple of years and Avgas is very hard to get in anything less than a 200L drum (available from Archerfeild airport). If I could use 200L before it goes off, I'd buy it but I can't use it that fast.

So my question: Is there anyone on the forum who is involved in aircraft in Brisbane that might be able to assist me in purchasing smaller quantities of Avgas?

Thanks in advance.

[flagg]

you could try getting an ASIC, a fuel card and some jerry cans..

[Bigbjorn]

I believe the rules pertaining to the sale of Avgas were changed a couple of years ago. I have been told that the retail outlets at airports are now only allowed to pump into an aeroplane. As to sale of bulk Avgas in drums, I have no current knowledge, but can say that in the past I could buy it in four gallon drums from the BP & Shell racing fuel outlets.

[wovenrovings]

BP and shell still sell their 100 octane racing fuel. Also Shell now has a 100 octane fuel for sale at some of it servo's. BP has something similar i believe.

[Pedro_The_Swift]

I think a quick ring to shell should find you a pump outlet,,

remember 'da:rulez:
;)

[Pedro_The_Swift]

Theres a whole bunch of street races around here,,
Warick this weekend as a matter of fact,,
Leyburn, Pitsworth etc ,,

not sure about Rego--(third party stuff)

could do around 6 races a year within 100 kays of home,,











:eek:
hmmm,
Russells taking the 500nm ralliart motor out this Chrissy,,

I wonder what it would bolt into--- :twisted:

[HBWC]

performance shops usall sell avgas and other vhigh octain fuels in 20lt tins but you normaly pay thro the nose for it

[awabbit6]

Thanks for all the replies.

I probably should have added that I have contacted BP and Shell. Both put me onto airports whose reply was that they can only pump into aircraft (hence my request) or provide 200L drums.
The call to Shell was quite funny. I think they are using an international call centre. The person I was speaking to went through a list of service stations that were listed as distributors of Shell 100. The closest one that the could find to me was a local BP service station! I queried the suggestion that a BP service station would sell a Shell product and the polite lady on the other end of the phone insisted that they sell it. Of course when I rang the BP and explained that I was going to ask them a stupid question, they agreed that the question was stupid and that they don't sell Shell 100!!! What a surprise!

I have also tried many of the speed shops. They can supply lots of exotic fuels at very exotic prices but none have firmly said that they can get me 20L of Avgas (or equivalent).

Finally, today I have a supplier who is able to decant 20L for me from his own 200L supply. Unfortunately, he is in Sandgate which is a big drive from Jimboomba.

So for this weekend ... I'll give BP 98RON another go and knock back the ignition timing. See how it goes when I fire it up tomorrow.

Thanks again for all the suggestions.

[awabbit6]

Theres a whole bunch of street races around here,,
Warick this weekend as a matter of fact,,
Leyburn, Pitsworth etc ,,

not sure about Rego--(third party stuff)

could do around 6 races a year within 100 kays of home,,

I reckon I could find more than enough events to use up 200L of Avgas very quickly but all this fun isn't cheap. The event I'm doing this weekend is the final round of the Qld Motorkhana championships. It's been years since I've done a motorkhana and for pure fun, I reckon they are the best value for money event you can compete in. They are also fantastic for developing/practicing car control.
I wouldn't mind having a crack a some bitumen rallies too. I've done a couple and really enjoyed them. My little beast would be perfect for them. Just have to put a proper seat in for a navigator rather than the paper mache one that's in it at the moment to keep CAMs happy.





hmmm,
Russells taking the 500nm ralliart motor out this Chrissy,,

I wonder what it would bolt into--- :twisted:

I'm sure a project will be found. If not, I'm sure I'd have no trouble finding a project for it!;)

[JohnR]

If you buy BP Ultimate (98octane) and put the 8 octane boost in it, it works on most older racing engines just fine. Wynns have a product that is sold at Super Cheap.

I also had a letter from a fuel mob selling performance fuels:
Cheetah Series Racing Fuel
Head Office Victoria. But I am sure they said they had a Brisbane distributor
03 9312 4788

p.s. Have fun racing!!

Cheers,

[Captain_Rightfoot]

I used to buy it from a Matilda at Strathpine. I doubt they still have that bowser though :(

[Pedro_The_Swift]

Hey Paul,,
where are they holding it??
:angel:

[Mikes defender]

Try general aviation hangers...

Planes in maintenace get there tanks drained for various inspections and repairs.

The removed fuel cannot be returned to the plane and must be discarded.

[weeds]

Finally, today I have a supplier who is able to decant 20L for me from his own 200L supply. Unfortunately, he is in Sandgate which is a big drive from Jimboomba.


i live right next to sandgate, let us know if i can help, i will probably be going out to boonah or visit the ho hars again before the end of the year

[Bigbjorn]

Try premium unleaded with one litre benzol/toluol added to each four litres of motor spirit.

The current owner of my Hemi 426 Dodge Challenger is using this with the ignition retarded. Engine is 12.5 to 1 compression ratio. He is going to drop it to 9.5 to 1 because of the unavailability of suitable fuel. I used to run it on 115/145 Avgas when I owned it. Current aviation fuel is 100 Octane, called LL100 for "low lead".

[awabbit6]

Hey Paul,,
where are they holding it??
:angel:

Willowbank drag strip.

[awabbit6]

Try general aviation hangers...

Planes in maintenace get there tanks drained for various inspections and repairs.

The removed fuel cannot be returned to the plane and must be discarded.

I didn't know that! I doubt that they will be allowed to sell or give it away. Worth a few calls to find out though. Thanks!

[awabbit6]

Try premium unleaded with one litre benzol/toluol added to each four litres of motor spirit.

The current owner of my Hemi 426 Dodge Challenger is using this with the ignition retarded. Engine is 12.5 to 1 compression ratio. He is going to drop it to 9.5 to 1 because of the unavailability of suitable fuel. I used to run it on 115/145 Avgas when I owned it. Current aviation fuel is 100 Octane, called LL100 for "low lead".

The thought of making my own blend had crossed my mind. I'm a Chem teacher so I think I might need to do a bit of reading. I think our lab might need some more equipment soon too. ;)

[GregTD5]

From Jimboomba, try a couple of the smaller airports south of you, Boonah or the place where they do lots of parachute drops (cant remember name) with a golf club and resort.
Some of these smaller country strips have quiet a bit of traffic, so will have Avgas on site some where I would think. As well as operators doing fuel drains prior to flying and maybe throwing slops into a small drum.

Greg

[Bigbjorn]

Try general aviation hangers...

Planes in maintenace get there tanks drained for various inspections and repairs.

The removed fuel cannot be returned to the plane and must be discarded.

No doubt discarded straight into a worker's car.