New Engine Time

[blackrangie]

Hey guys,just about to fork out some big dollars on giving my rangie a new heart,thinking a new 5L Rover V8 from Davis Performance Landys.
They are expecting 40% power gains over current.:D
www.davisperformance.com (http://www.davisperformance.com)
Should i go for it, or does someone have a better idea?

89 rangie,33's,auto

[PhilipA]

A new 4.6 would be lots cheaper.
And do you also have the 3K to upgrade the probably by now tired ZF?

I have a friend who has one of the 5Ls and is relatively happy but Bruce recommended the 3K ZF upgrade to him as a minimum with a 7K upgrade recommended.(according to my friend)
Regards Philip A

[blackrangie]

A new 4.6 would be lots cheaper.
And do you also have the 3K to upgrade the probably by now tired ZF?

I have a friend who has one of the 5Ls and is relatively happy but Bruce recommended the 3K ZF upgrade to him as a minimum with a 7K upgrade recommended.(according to my friend)
Regards Philip A

Yeah not cheap my quote is around 11k drive in drive out,with new comp,dynod.
Was thinking of running the zf as is until it starts to die again, then reco it with stronger bits,it was recoed last year after injesting mud:o

[rovercare]

Yeah not cheap my quote is around 11k drive in drive out,with new comp,dynod.
Was thinking of running the zf as is until it starts to die again, then reco it with stronger bits,it was recoed last year after injesting mud:o

11k:eek:, do you honestly think you'll get 11k worth of enjoyment from it?;)

[Rangier Rover]

Cant help with that one but you sure could stick something wild in for that dosh... It wont end there though as the drive line will have to be uprated to cope.:( Are you blackrangie from the 4WD action forum?

[blackrangie]

11k:eek:, do you honestly think you'll get 11k worth of enjoyment from it?;)

sounds steep but,graeme cooper quoted around 11k just for a 4.6 built up from a doner block, nothing special.

everywhere seems to want 10k for a 4.6 install, drive in/out.

Seems like a lot,but a good engine will put your resale up a fair bit when(and a big if) i ever sell.

Any better options?

[blackrangie]

Cant help with that one but you sure could stick something wild in for that dosh... It wont end there though as the drive line will have to be uprated to cope.:( Are you blackrangie from the 4WD action forum?

Yeah mate,been away from the forums for a bit, big chunk of cash but bruce sure seems to know what he's doing,and has a great rep. Thinking the new kam lockers later to cope? what do you think?
Hows your beast going?

Les Richmond Automotive (http://www.lrautomotive.com.au/index1.html)

From kam website
New Design Benefits KAM Locker
1) Less expensive than our competitors.
2) Better value of money, than ARB. (KAM has shafts + driving member hubs included)
3) Optional LSD and Diff Locker combination. ( i.e. in the same axle)
4) 3 part heavy duty 4 pinion carrier included
5) Improved strengthened half shafts included. ( Optional upgraded Aerospace specification steel shafts )
6) Activator mechanism internal to axle diff pan.
7) Push button operation, 1 second lock up time, (Clear Off/On warning lamp).
8) Neat and tidy installation, all fitted inside the new diff pan.
9) Easy set up, adjustment, inspection and serviceability.
10) Optional rock slider diff pan protector available (May 2006)

New KAM LSD 4 Pinion Differential
1) Adjustable clutch plate configuration
2) Adjustable plate pre-load
3) Upgradeable to Diff Locker/LSD in one combination
4) Tried and tested in competitions
5) Less stress applied to shafts than a Detroit (Smoother power lock up)

Type Approval Military Tested by Santana Motors SA
For the past 18 months, the new locker has undergone strenuous Type Approval Testing by Santana Motors SA in Spain for the use in their Spanish military vehicle, the PS10 "Military". Following success in these trials, we received orders of a first batches of rear lockers in November 2004 and a since then we have supplied 2600 which have been fitted direct to the production line.

[blackrangie]

11k:eek:, do you honestly think you'll get 11k worth of enjoyment from it?;)

Right foot says yes, bank account says no:D

[BigJon]

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Seems like a lot,but a good engine will put your resale up a fair bit when(and a big if) i ever sell.

Any better options?

I don't think it would add anywhere near as much value as it would cost.

How about a 355 Holden V8?

[Rangier Rover]

Yeah mate,been away from the forums for a bit, big chunk of cash but bruce sure seems to know what he's doing,and has a great rep. Thinking the new kam lockers later to cope? what do you think?
Hows your beast going?

Les Richmond Automotive (http://www.lrautomotive.com.au/index1.html)

From kam website
New Design Benefits KAM Locker
1) Less expensive than our competitors.
2) Better value of money, than ARB. (KAM has shafts + driving member hubs included)
3) Optional LSD and Diff Locker combination. ( i.e. in the same axle)
4) 3 part heavy duty 4 pinion carrier included
5) Improved strengthened half shafts included. ( Optional upgraded Aerospace specification steel shafts )
6) Activator mechanism internal to axle diff pan.
7) Push button operation, 1 second lock up time, (Clear Off/On warning lamp).
8) Neat and tidy installation, all fitted inside the new diff pan.
9) Easy set up, adjustment, inspection and serviceability.
10) Optional rock slider diff pan protector available (May 2006)

New KAM LSD 4 Pinion Differential
1) Adjustable clutch plate configuration
2) Adjustable plate pre-load
3) Upgradeable to Diff Locker/LSD in one combination
4) Tried and tested in competitions
5) Less stress applied to shafts than a Detroit (Smoother power lock up)

Type Approval Military Tested by Santana Motors SA
For the past 18 months, the new locker has undergone strenuous Type Approval Testing by Santana Motors SA in Spain for the use in their Spanish military vehicle, the PS10 "Military". Following success in these trials, we received orders of a first batches of rear lockers in November 2004 and a since then we have supplied 2600 which have been fitted direct to the production line.

What happened to the stroker? Diffs are the least of your worries.;) I can assure you the ZF 4HP22 will hate the 5ltr. Costly but you can put HP24 guts in them or just use the complete 4HP24ES with a compushift.:twisted:
If you have a search you will find I have a made little progress but have a few interesting extras for mine:angel:

[blackrangie]

I don't think it would add anywhere near as much value as it would cost.

How about a 355 Holden V8?

True,but it helps hey

There is a 91 Rangie on ebay for 33k,has a ton of goodies though,worth the money but may be on there for a while until someone realizes its value.

Fairly keen to keep it rover, for various reasons

[blackrangie]

What happened to the stroker? Diffs are the least of your worries.;) I can assure you the ZF 4HP22 will hate the 5ltr. Costly but you can put HP24 guts in them or just use the complete 4HP24ES with a compushift.:twisted:
If you have a search you will find I have a made little progress but have a few interesting extras for mine:angel:

Stroker,well I'm skeptical it ever was,it was sold to me as a 4.2 stroker with the car, but it doesn't drive as one,had it checked out heaps,but never had heads off.

hmm,interesting, what years does the 4HP24ES come out of,can u put the compushift up high and it not be effected by water,or is it best to use the internals on a 4HP22? approx cost?

[Grimace]

I was gonna jump in and say go for it and dont think about it just do it. but **** 11k :eek:

I recently looked at the 5L option and I got upto about 7k costing. I either missed something or it's costing 4k to do all the labour.

Also dont be thinking that a new engine is gonna raise the value all that much, that rangie you speak of is not worth that much, its just a pretty motor in an old vehicle.
If your even thinkin about resale values, then I would say its not in your best interest. But hey I have no problems with it if you do. :):cool:

[blackrangie]

I was gonna jump in and say go for it and dont think about it just do it. but **** 11k :eek:

I recently looked at the 5L option and I got upto about 7k costing. I either missed something or it's costing 4k to do all the labour.

Also dont be thinking that a new engine is gonna raise the value all that much, that rangie you speak of is not worth that much, its just a pretty motor in an old vehicle.
If your even thinkin about resale values, then I would say its not in your best interest. But hey I have no problems with it if you do. :):cool:

Im thinking of doing up the whole car, maybe even paint,give it a new lease on life.Not really thinking of re sale, just pointing out that it will be more valuable if and when i ever do sell, i realize you never make money on cars.

so what would be included in your 7k ?

[Grimace]

Im thinking of doing up the whole car, maybe even paint,give it a new lease on life.Not really thinking of re sale, just pointing out that it will be more valuable if and when i ever do sell, i realize you never make money on cars.

so what would be included in your 7k ?

short block, heads, cam lifters etc etc. No allowance for other ancillaries as I was hoping to re-use my originals. No allowance for labour as all was to be done at home with mates over a couple of weekends and lots of beers :)

I did have a paper list of bit and rough part calculations. But who knows what happened to that.

I had a thread up not long ago I should try find it as i may have had more info hidden in there.

[big guy]

Hey mate

Try giving TRS a call in SA.

They sell many 4.6 and some with high compression too.

I bought 2 there with great results and if sticking to a 4.6 with say a Haltech system, you will find the box will cope and you get great performance that will be reliable and come in way under the $11k.

Good luck either way but resale will not go up by much as the buyer pretty well expects a car with motor, that it is a stonker is just a bonus.

[McDisco]

True,but it helps hey

There is a 91 Rangie on ebay for 33k,has a ton of goodies though,worth the money but may be on there for a while until someone realizes its value.

Fairly keen to keep it rover, for various reasons

Ah yeah...I know that one. And its not worth what hes asking...he just thinks it is! He was asking $43k for it a year ago.

Angus

[blackrangie]

Ok finally dicided on getting "kurmit"(Rangie Automotive's) to put the 4.6L he had for sale in.
Low k's,Wolf management and a bit of work done!

Also getting some other goodies with the money i saved going second hand engine.

Never used him before but he seems to really know his Rangies,will let you all know how it pans out.

Might post up some pics when its all done.

[big guy]

Ok finally dicided on getting "kurmit"(Rangie Automotive's) to put the 4.6L he had for sale in.
Low k's,Wolf management and a bit of work done!

Also getting some other goodies with the money i saved going second hand engine.

Never used him before but he seems to really know his Rangies,will let you all know how it pans out.

Might post up some pics when its all done.

Good move mate.

[blackrangie]

Some of the mods "Kurmits" doing at the same time as the new 4.6 engine:

Snorkel

Breathers for everything tapped into snorkel

Maxi drive rear locker

Rear ARB Bar and Carrier modded to suit 2.5inch body lift

9500 pound Winch,Front bar mods to accept winch

Getting rid of viscous transfer:D

Dual batteries

Will try to get pics posted up as it gets built up.

[blackrangie]

Ok guys, old engine and old computer removed and new 4.6L put in,they dont muck around.. ahh only one fan belt too :D

[blackrangie]

Engine getting wired up, Wolf computer installed in watertight box under seat.

Wolf 3D Stat screen installed on dash at correct vision angle.

Rear Maxi and upgraded transfer are also going in this week[thumbsupbig]

Front and Rear bar work mods,winch and rear wheel carrier are getting started next week

[Rangier Rover]

Engine getting wired up, Wolf computer installed in watertight box under seat.

Wolf 3D Stat screen installed on dash at correct vision angle.

Rear Maxi and upgraded transfer are also going in this week[thumbsupbig]

Front and Rear bar work mods,winch and rear wheel carrier are getting started next week

Can you move the computer up behind the usless right vent in the dash? Should fit on the lower cowling nicely. Then the deep water wont bother you at all:)

[blackrangie]

Can you move the computer up behind the usless right vent in the dash? Should fit on the lower cowling nicely. Then the deep water wont bother you at all:)

We think alike:D

He assured me though, that water would not get in, its completely sealed!
I'll let you know how it goes the first time i drive her half way up the windscreen in water:eek:

He's been building modded and race Rangie's for a long time so i didn't argue.

[Rangier Rover]

We think alike:D

He assured me though, that water would not get in, its completely sealed!
I'll let you know how it goes the first time i drive her half way up the windscreen in water:eek:

He's been building modded and race Rangie's for a long time so i didn't argue.

A few things worry me with that setup. looms along the hot floor, Nothing is ever 100% water tight unless epoxy is involved, heat to the ecu, a bastard to get at.
He obviously knows what he is doing though:)

Well bugger it I'm still sticking my ecu and control relays up in the dash with little waterproofing other than silicone spray. If I get that much water on board I'll have other problems:twisted:

It can happen... We took a few inches of water in at Morton island just playing in a water hole:eek: I was damn lucky the ecu didn't chuck it in.

[blackrangie]

A few things worry me with that setup. looms along the hot floor, Nothing is ever 100% water tight unless epoxy is involved, heat to the ecu, a bastard to get at.
He obviously knows what he is doing though:)

Well bugger it I'm still sticking my ecu and control relays up in the dash with little waterproofing other than silicone spray. If I get that much water on board I'll have other problems:twisted:

It can happen... We took a few inches of water in at Morton island just playing in a water hole:eek: I was damn lucky the ecu didn't chuck it in.

Good points mate,will let you know how mine turns out, can always move up later if its not going to be reliable under their.

[HSVRangie]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v607/HSVRangie/ECUmounted.jpg

My ecu.

[blackrangie]

My ecu.

Perfect!

What ecu is that?

[rovercare]

Perfect!

What ecu is that?

Delco;)

[Disco_owner]

My ecu still sits on the floor undernearth driver seat , I have pretty much sealed the entire rangie floor , metal plates cut and rivotted with lots of sikaflex :angel: driven thru a few bog holes already and the carpet and trim has stayed dry .but as Tony has hinted you would probably want to tidy up the wiring loom laying on the floor around the transmission pan, does get quite hot there.

[blackrangie]

OK just got the "heads up" from Rangie Automotive that the 4.6 engine install is finished and drivable.

Bar mods are finished(rear bar lift was a mission apparently) just a few more things to go.

Will get pics posted up tomorrow:)

[blackrangie]

We are having trouble finding a replacement center console in time for this project(LRA are waiting for a batch)

Are there any alternative's?
Anyone got pics of a sweet replacement?(with cup holders maybe;))

[blackrangie]

Front ARB bar modded to fit winch,will be wired to new dual batteries in the next day or two.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2009/12/1306.jpg

Rear ARB bar added and modified/lifted to suit 2.5'body lift (wheel carrier will be fitted tomorrow)
note:checker-plate has not been bolted down so looks a little wonky in pic.Will get better pic when wheel carrier goes on

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2009/12/1306.jpg

LRA Snorkel and a few other things go on tomorrow.
Its all coming together:BigThumb:

Kurmit thinks the whole project should be ready this time next week:cool:

[blackrangie]

Finally figured out how to post pics properly:MileStone:

[mike 90 RR]

Watching with interest ....:thumbsup:

[Rangier Rover]

Front ARB bar modded to fit winch,will be wired to new dual batteries in the next day or two.

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/members/blackrangie-albums-rangie+mod+pics-picture609-img-6807-0.jpg

Rear ARB bar added and modified/lifted to suit 2.5'body lift (wheel carrier will be fitted tomorrow)
note:checker-plate has not been bolted down so looks a little wonky in pic.Will get better pic when wheel carrier goes on

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/members/blackrangie-albums-rangie+mod+pics-picture608-img-5249-0.jpg

LRA Snorkel and a few other things go on tomorrow.
Its all coming together:BigThumb:

Kurmit thinks the whole project should be ready this time next week:cool:

That winch appears to be only grafted into the bar. Will it be strong enough like that?
Look into the wheel carrier as I seen some that flex to much.

Your making great progress with it now:cool:

I need to do a fair bit to catch up now:angel: May have to put twin snorkels and Rangie sport guard vents in to make mine a bit different

I think you will get a lot of satifaction with this thing of yours when done. Will look and go very well:D

[blackrangie]

That winch appears to be only grafted into the bar. Will it be strong enough like that?
Look into the wheel carrier as I seen some that flex to much.

Kurmit has assured me that the inside has been reinforced with thick plate metal and so on,and he has raced a rangie with a setup just like mine but with a much more powerful winch, so I'm sure it will be fine ;).
He says thats how they do it all the time now because most rangies have the non winch bar already,they just mod them to suit,problem solved.

Rear swing away will be an LRA item from memory.



Your making great progress with it now:cool:
I need to do a fair bit to catch up now:angel: May have to put twin snorkels and Rangie sport guard vents in to make mine a bit different
I think you will get a lot of satisfaction with this thing of yours when done. Will look and go very well:D

Thanks mate,starting to really look forward to seeing it when its all done next weekend:banana:

ha-ha,that banana dude is funny as:D

[trobbo]

Adrian must be your new best friend with all that work. And yes those arb bars would be a right royal PITA to modify to suit the body lift.

[blackrangie]

Adrian must be your new best friend with all that work.


ha ha,nice. Only problem is he's got no time for best friends:p, tons of work on, he's in the process of moving Rangie Automotive to new premises and on top of that he's getting married in a few weeks(good on him). Hectic tho!:eek:


And yes those arb bars would be a right royal PITA to modify to suit the body lift.

Yeah I'm really happy with it,one of the few Ive seen to actually turn out looking how they are supposed to.

[blackrangie]

Quick update,Rear LRA swing away sorted

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/members/blackrangie-albums-rangie+mod+pics-picture616-rear-swing-away-rear-view.jpg



http://www.aulro.com/afvb/members/blackrangie-albums-rangie+mod+pics-picture617-rear-swing-away-side-view.jpg


I must say i am extremely happy with the overall look of the rear bar/wheel carrier given the 2.5 inch body lift!

Should be all done Wednesday next week:)

[blackrangie]

OK, snorkel is installed and piped to engine, will also help the 4.6L with cool air intake.

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/members/blackrangie-albums-rangie+mod+pics-picture627-snorkel-closeup.jpg

Its all starting to come together:thumbsup:

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/members/blackrangie-albums-rangie+mod+pics-picture628-snorkel-completed.jpg

[BigJon]

Looks good.

Do you know who modified the rims? I have a set that I would like offset changed and modified for tubeless tyres.

[blackrangie]

Looks good.

Do you know who modified the rims? I have a set that I would like offset changed and modified for tubeless tyres.


Eastern wheel works (vic) is who your after, not to far from Rangie Automotive.

I'm getting mine pulled in 1-1.5 inches by them on next week to improve steering.

From memory my 15x10's are 6inches out 4 inches in.

Trying to make my steering as safe as it can be with 2.5inch suspension lift,15x10's and 33 muds.

Swivels have Castor correction, all joints and rubbers are tight, now just want to bring the wheels in a touch, they say the steering will improve.

Any one else had success with a certain offset with 15x10's?

will let you know how pulling them in a bit helps, want to find the sweet spot between stability, steering and inner guard clearance;)

[BigJon]

I will have to give them a call and see what they can do.

16x8 would do nicely. Either that or they can flip my spare Disco rims and I will live with 16x7.

[capri_v6]

nice rangie... was in there today scoring some bits and pieces... looks very neat and lots of fun... shame he wouldnt let me steal bits from it tho lol

[Rangier Rover]

10" are very difficult to engineer, -25mm 8" are much easier with 33's

[blackrangie]

10" are very difficult to engineer, -25mm 8" are much easier with 33's

So my 15x10's i originally got made for stability and looks are 6inches out/4inches in

The 15x8's with -25mm would be how many inches out/in?

the standard 17x6 rims would be how many inches out/in?