No more full size spares?

[Tusker]

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"Spare Wheel Changes

A decision has been made to standardise the Land Rover Tyre Repair System on all Freelander 2 trim levels from January 2010 production as announced at the recent Regional Breakfast Meetings Any orders that fall into January 2010 production will come as standard with the Tyre Repair System. There is the option to order a full size spare if the customer wishes to.

•029LL Full spare wheel size 17 inch alloy
•029LM Full spare wheel size 18 inch alloy
•029LH Full spare wheel size 19 inch alloy
The cost for this option will be £180.00 including VAT
The option for 029IS reduced sized spare is no longer available. https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2009/11/1146.jpg

Replacement Parts for the Land Rover Tyre Repair System:
•Full Kit Part number LR014972 £49.35 including VAT
•Connector pipe Part number LR016392 £14.80 including VAT
•Sealant Part number LR015390 £30.84 including VAT"

Sealant! Reading the thread it sounds as though some UK FL2s have a space saver spare now, but sealant, what's the world coming to.

Hopefully this is home market only, or at worst we will always get the option of a proper spare.

Regards
Max P

[inside]

The Australian LR website still lists the FL2 as coming with a full size spare. They should just keep it as default, the price of the vehicle and our variable roads demand it.

[flagg]

Thats nuts. Even if from factory they came without it, any dealer worth their salt would add it on by default..... I hope.

[camel_landy]

I don't see what the fuss is about (or have I missed something here)??!!??

All it's saying is that by default, all cars will come with the tyre repair sealant but you have the option of ordering the full sized spare.

It's only the space saver spare which is no longer available.

M

[camel_landy]

Even if from factory they came without it, any dealer worth their salt would add it on by default..... I hope.

Don't make assumptions... ;)

[BigJon]

I don't see what the fuss is about (or have I missed something here)??!!??

All it's saying is that by default, all cars will come with the tyre repair sealant but you have the option of ordering the full sized spare.

It's only the space saver spare which is no longer available.

M

In Australia no car should come with either sealant or a space saver spare.

You have been here and seen our conditions. It should not be up to the purchaser to request safety items such as a spare tyre that is realistic and useable.

If I was looking at buying a car and it didn't come with a full size spare, I wouldn't buy the car. Simple as that.

[camel_landy]

You have been here and seen our conditions. It should not be up to the purchaser to request safety items such as a spare tyre that is realistic and useable.

I'm sort of torn on this one...

Yeah, I see what you're saying but you could argue that's the job of the dealer to understand the users requirements when specing up the car. (Let's face it, if the car is staying in an urban environment, it isn't a problem)

Personally, yes, I'd go for the full sized spare...

However, back to the original question... As the thread title is "No more full size spares?" I was just pointing out that the title is actually wrong as it's the space saver which is no longer available.

M

[mmmmbeeeeer]

I may be wrong, but the way I read the original post is that the standard configuration will be *no spare at all* , but will have a tyre repair system instead. Buyers will have the option to buy a full size spare if they choose.

One would hope that if they maintain the current pricing, then it would include the 'optional' full size spare.

Pete

[mikehzz]

The FL2 in Australia has never had a space saver, its always been full sized. I wouldn't by another one if it only had a pram wheel spare.

Mike

[Tusker]

I don't see what the fuss is about (or have I missed something here)??!!??

All it's saying is that by default, all cars will come with the tyre repair sealant but you have the option of ordering the full sized spare.

It's only the space saver spare which is no longer available.

M


Agreed but its disappointed that LR have caved in.

You'd think the world's only 4wd-exclusise manufacturer would spec a proper spare as a matter of principle.

Regards
Max P

[Rosscoe68]

considering that most ppl if they buy a new 4wd and want to use it seriously will go out and change the factory supplied tyres anyhow, i dont see a problem here. if the vehicle is going to be used as a family taxi, theres no problem, if its going to be used for what its intended, you are probly going to change the tyres, so again no problem. this is just following the global trend of cost cutting in the supply of any commercial product and then offering spec-ups for ppl that may choose. i've been in retail sales for over 20 years, and this doesn't at all surprise me.
put yourselves on the other side of the fence for a bit. customers are constantly wanting newer and better products and wanting to pay less and less for those newer and better products. why shouldnt a new version of the same vehicle cost the same and yet offer a little less in standard form if LR (read any manufacturer of any commercial product) are spending millions of dollars researching and developing new models

[mikehzz]

I wanted to by an extra rim for my FL2...$750 for the cheapest genuine 17" rim only. Add $300 for a tyre. Personally I would rather it didn't have leather and electric seats. Is this TaTa (is that their name?) taking leads from Volkswagen and their Tiguan (pram wheel spare as well)? Perhaps soon they will make the terrain response on the FL2 an option. I hope they don't degrade the essence of what makes a Land Rover different.

Mike

[CaverD3]

Lets hope LR make the right commercial decision for OZ. Any car (let alone a LR) gets a caning in reviews if they do not have a full size spare.
The distances and availability of tyres outside any city makes a full size spare a necessity.

[inside]

Perhaps soon they will make the terrain response on the FL2 an option.
The lower spec models in the UK don't have TR.

[rmp]

The fullsize is still available in all countries. In Australia, it is standard on FL2s and most other LR models. In the UK, space-savers or sealant bottlers and prayer mats are standard. Vehicle specs vary significantly between countries and this is just one example.

I completely agree that it should be standard in Australia as Joe Bloggs cannot be expected to know the difference or the importance. Land Rovers are sold and promoted for offroad use and should be properly equipped. That is what the fuss is about. However, no need for fuss as it doesn't apply to Australia, who do realise the importance of the spare.

Having used space-savers in the bush I am dead-set against these dangerous excuses for a wheel. May as well throw salt in your drinking water.

[XLR8]

I'm only considering the FL2 because it is about the only small 4WD with real off road ability. If a SS spare was the norm on this vehicle, it would be off my shopping list along with about 1000 other small "4WD's" on the market.

[rmp]

The Suzuki Grand Vitara is cheaper, smaller and more capable offroad than the FL2. The Santa Fe can go places too.

[3toes]

Am looking at a UK 2009 dated Freelander 2 TD4 specification comparison guide which I picked up recently. This lists a tyre repair system as standard on all models. I cannot see any mention of the spare tyre in the actual brochure. List prices - £22K GS £25K XS £28K HSE £33K.

Here is the UK for a few years now there has been a push by both fleet operators and health and safety people for spare tyres to be removed from new cars. This is on the basis that from a fleet point of view weight means additional fuel costs. H+S think it is too dangerous for a driver who is not a trained expert to change a tyre.

[Hoges]

Quote: " H+S think it is too dangerous for a driver who is not a trained expert to change a tyre."

Sadly, that sort of woolly thinking is all too prevalent in bureaucracies everywhere...

[mikehzz]

The Suzuki Grand Vitara is cheaper, smaller and more capable offroad than the FL2. The Santa Fe can go places too.

I've owned a Suzuki Grand Vitara and my FL2 kicks its butt off road? The auto box/400nm torque and traction control more than compensates for the Suzuki's low range.

Mike

[rmp]

I'm talking about the latest GVs with traction control.