So there's actually nothing wrong with this?

[dmdigital]

This is the left hand rear lower shock mount on the Puma. The right is identically put together. These are as delivered and have not been touched.

Can you spot anything amiss?

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2009/11/987.jpg

[BigJon]

Looks OK at a glance. What is the issue?

[p38arover]

Isn't the washer upside down? Maybe different on a Puma looking at that tubular bit on the mount.

[dmdigital]

Isn't the washer upside down? Maybe different on a Puma looking at that tubular bit on the mount.

Spot on Ron;) That tubular bit is the lower rubber.

I've crawled all over this car in the last 12 months and last weekend when I was changing the Diff Oil after the big trip I just happened to notice that both rear shocks have the outer washers on upside down:confused:

Of course maybe this one's built for the Northern hemisphere so then they'd be right way up;)

[miky]

So now we wait while everyone rushes out to have a look at theirs :D

[dmdigital]

So now we wait while everyone rushes out to have a look at theirs :D

The thought never occurred to me:angel::angel::angel:


:D

But it will be interesting to see if anyone else's is like this.

[Pedro_The_Swift]

The thought never occurred to me:angel::angel::angel:



:Rolling:

[justinc]

They're supposed to be that way Derek, the rubber bushes are conical too, and if fitted the wrong way up won't work at all:eek:

The same is true with D1 from 1994 update.

When I fit the bilstein or DeCarbon shocks, I remove the steel 'tubes' and revert back to 'normal' shock rubber and washer orientation.

JC

[BigJon]

They're supposed to be that way Derek, the rubber bushes are conical too, and if fitted the wrong way up won't work at all:eek:



JC

Hence my post saying that they looked alright to me :angel:.

[scarry]

So now we wait while everyone rushes out to have a look at theirs :D

Anything else we need to look at while we are there?:tease:


It'll save two trips:angel:

Ohh,the front ones are around the other way:eek:

[dmdigital]

They're supposed to be that way Derek, the rubber bushes are conical too, and if fitted the wrong way up won't work at all:eek:

The same is true with D1 from 1994 update.

When I fit the bilstein or DeCarbon shocks, I remove the steel 'tubes' and revert back to 'normal' shock rubber and washer orientation.

JC
Once again I learn something from the forum. I even went and checked a couple of general shock fitting instructions to make sure.

That's good to know for when I upgrade the shocks later in the month.

[Bush65]

As jc said.

Rubber is the most incompressible of common materials known to man. It is flexible, but practically incompressible, so to flex there must be some space for the deformed rubber to go.

The convex side of the washer provides some space for the rubber to deflect.

The cups that were added with the disco confine the rubber and result in bending in the rod of the shockie, sometimes breaking the top eye from the rod. Their only benefit I can see for the cups is reducing noise or wearing the hole if worn/flogged rubbers are not replaced.

The nut and washer used at the top mount is another source of the same problem - early rangies had a better arrangement.

[dullbird]

They're supposed to be that way Derek, the rubber bushes are conical too, and if fitted the wrong way up won't work at all:eek:

The same is true with D1 from 1994 update.

When I fit the bilstein or DeCarbon shocks, I remove the steel 'tubes' and revert back to 'normal' shock rubber and washer orientation.

JC

thats what I thought that it looked right:eek:.....

I was starting to think **** all my cars are wrong

[lewy]

just to explain its mango madness season up here at the moment,we find fault in everything;)

[Narangga]

just to explain its mango madness season up here at the moment,*we find fault in everything;)

You said it!

[tempestv8]

Hi Derek,

To me (with no automotive suspension design training), the way the washer is fitted looks like that's how it's meant to me.

I would expect that the washer "cup" to be the other way around only if there's like half an inch of rubber protruding from the metal.... and I certainly don't see that on the Puma's design.

I wouldn't want any part of that cupped washer to be in contact with another metallic surface, which I think would happen as soon as there's any flex on the axles.

So looks like LR got it right! :)

[350RRC]

Hi,

I have the old system where you need the cups the other way round to locate the bushes in such a way that the rod can't come into contact with the mount. Went to Toy cups because they're really thick (but not from a parts dealer where they're $7 EACH :eek: ). Has worked really well in stopping the sideways slip in the mount you get with a 2" lift.

Saw this thread:

Dicovery rear shock replacement - LR4x4 - The Land Rover Forum (http://forums.lr4x4.com/index.php'showtopic=44704)

and thought the cups were the wrong way round but I can now see that there is a steel locating tube on the mount that the bush sits in on later LR's. Learn something new everyday.

cheers, DL