Chipping an early 02 D2

[JamesH]

Hi All

A mate has taken over a low milage D2 TD5 auto from his elderly mum. It's the model without the CDL.

Anyway he's considering chipping it. Am I right in thinking that while there will be an advantage in fuel economy, it's performance that really benefits.

How much would a chip for one of these older TD5s set him back? Am I asking how long is a piece of string? I'm a humble Tdi driver ( and so is he) so have no idea. Is there a whole range of different chips he is meant to choose intelligently from?

cheers

[rangieman]

Hi All

A mate has taken over a low milage D2 TD5 auto from his elderly mum. It's the model without the CDL.

Anyway he's considering chipping it. Am I right in thinking that while there will be an advantage in fuel economy, it's performance that really benefits.

How much would a chip for one of these older TD5s set him back? Am I asking how long is a piece of string? I'm a humble Tdi driver ( and so is he) so have no idea. Is there a whole range of different chips he is meant to choose intelligently from?

cheers
Discowhite and tombie are your men to talk to and well priced to boot ;)

[nice1guv]

Am I right in thinking that while there will be an advantage in fuel economy, it's performance that really benefits.

Yep you're right, everything will be improved but performance will be the biggest gain.
Economy is already pretty good on the Td5, so improvements will be smaller, but still quite noticeable I believe.

Improving the intercooler would also be a good idea if chipping to get the most from it.

The updated D2a has a bigger intercooler than the early D2s, so that's probably the cheapest and easiest option.
I can't confirm if they are a straight swap, but I think they may be?

[JamesH]

Yep you're right, everything will be improved but performance will be the biggest gain.
Economy is already pretty good on the Td5, so improvements will be smaller, but still quite noticeable I believe.

Improving the intercooler would also be a good idea if chipping to get the most from it.

The updated D2a has a bigger intercooler than the early D2s, so that's probably the cheapest and easiest option.
I can't confirm if they are a straight swap, but I think they may be?

Thanks for that. He is not keen to spend a lot of coin and swapping bits that aren't worn out in getting a rocket ship but will look at an ECU swap to make a better job of the engine when she is loaded an going up hills, overtaking in the country etc.

[Redback]

I'm not sure if Tombie does the early ECU models, TRSpares in SA do a chip for the early D2s, not sure of the price though.

I have a BDavis chip in mine and with 32s, bar and winch, roof racks with awning, pole carrier, hilift jack and shovel up there and full drawer system, I still get 10l/100k, 12l to 15l/100 towing a 1.4t camper trailer.

Baz.

[Pedro_The_Swift]

I have a BDavis chip in mine and with 32s, bar and winch, roof racks with awning, pole carrier, hilift jack and shovel up there and full drawer system, I still get 10l/100k, 12l to 15l/100 towing a 1.4t camper trailer.

Baz.


Look
up in the sky
its a bird
its a plane
no its Baz'z D2!
;):lol2:

[gazk]

Some of the 2002 Td5s have the flashable ECU. Not sure when it changed, mine is a March 02 build with the EGR cooler at the front of the engine (EU3 engine) and has the flashable ECU and no CDL.

[Redback]

Look
up in the sky
its a bird
its a plane
no its Baz'z D2!
;):lol2:

Yes you have seen how well mine goes, a chip makes a BIG difference eh Pete:D


Some of the 2002 Td5s have the flashable ECU. Not sure when it changed, mine is a March 02 build with the EGR cooler at the front of the engine (EU3 engine) and has the flashable ECU and no CDL.

Very late 01 build date is when it changed

The later flashable ECU EGR Cooler model, is available from LandRover for $675, very cheap.

[Benny_IIA]

Yes you have seen how well mine goes, a chip makes a BIG difference eh Pete:D



Very late 01 build date is when it changed

The later flashable ECU EGR Cooler model, is available from LandRover for $675, very cheap.


Flashable ecu will have the following part number

NNN*********

ben....

[JamesH]

Hi Guys

Thanks for all this information.

Sorry to be slow on the uptake (I have a 300tdi brain) but are you saying they swapped over to flashable ECU in the late 01 builds and if this vehicle has this later flashable unit then getting it upgraded is quite feasible and indeed Landrover sell an upgrade for $675?

If this is correct are there other after market upgrades available from other suppliers that may be superior to the LR product?

thanks again

J

[Hendrik]

The flashable ecu is not an upgrade as such, sure it is much smoother and much easier to upgrade, but from factory it still has the same power figures as a non-flashable ecu.

[Benny_IIA]

The flashable ecu is not an upgrade as such, sure it is much smoother and much easier to upgrade, but from factory it still has the same power figures as a non-flashable ecu.



what he said:D.....

[Redback]

Hi Guys

Thanks for all this information.

Sorry to be slow on the uptake (I have a 300tdi brain) but are you saying they swapped over to flashable ECU in the late 01 builds and if this vehicle has this later flashable unit then getting it upgraded is quite feasible and indeed Landrover sell an upgrade for $675?

If this is correct are there other after market upgrades available from other suppliers that may be superior to the LR product?

thanks again

J

NO that ECU is not an upgrade, it is a genuine replacement part for a D2a, but can be used to upgrade the early D2.

The cheapest AND BEST upgrade is either the TRS Chip for your non flashable ECU or buying the flashable ECU and getting the Tombie re-map up grade.

All the non LR products are alot more expensive (ie) Tunit, Unichip, DP chip.

[JamesH]

Thanks everyone. it is clear at last.

cheers

J

[LandyAndy]

Just to muddy the waters James.
Your mates D2 is on the cusp of the non flashable/flashable ECUs.
Either way go the flashable ECU,just done mine.IE non flashable ECU upgraded to flashable ECU with a tuned ECU.WOW SHE FLYS:cool::cool::cool::cool:
Keep the old non flashable ECU as a spare:cool::cool::cool::cool:
Andrew

[porgey]

Hi We have a 1999 d2 TD5 and had a chip fitted a few months ago fo around $500 by TRS. We noticed a better response especialy towing a caravan it pulled much better on the hills . Cheers George & Pauline

[Yorkshire_Jon]

Guys,
I Know about the flashable, non-flashable ecu's... but people are talking about 'chipping'...

For the sake of clarity and for those that dont know...

1) if you have a flashable ecu then you should be getting the ecu "RE-MAPPED" - i.e. a software upgrade - no chips involved.

2) if you have a non-flashable ecu you have 3 options:
i) replace your non-flashable with a flashable and re-program the security and injector info etc and put on the same fuel mapping as in 1) above.
ii) simply get a plugin box and piggy back that onto the ecu / injector harness. i.e. Tunit box.
iii) If you can afford to keep the car off the road for a while, remove the ecu and have the non-flashable chip removed and replaced with a flashable unit. That way you keep the original ecu and get the software upgrade.

Im assuming that there are people here in Oz that can do option iii)?? If not speak to Pete at www.bellautoservices.co.uk (http://www.bellautoservices.co.uk) - he can do it via post.

Hope that helps.
Jon

[Tombie]

Get your mate to check the ECU part number (its under the bonnet!)

Post the part number here..

Its either:

MSBxxxxxx
or
NNNxxxxxx

[Benny_IIA]

Get your mate to check the ECU part number (its under the bonnet!)

Post the part number here..

Its either:

MSBxxxxxx
or
NNNxxxxxx


The numbers some times are faded (from the heat i think) :bangin: .....the old man's D2 is.

[JamesH]

I've passed this information on, thanks. They did mention that they got vehicle as an end of model run out and they suspect it's therefore a 2 not a 2a. The vehicle is not stored where they are walking past it all the time hence they haven't had the opportunity to pop the bonnet and end all conjecture, but they will eventually.

As I said i think it's a new flashable unit followed by remapping that is required. As LandyAndy explained the old ECU can be kept as a spare, they'll like that idea as it is going through the process of morphing from Granny's car to outback expedition vehicle.

[LandyAndy]

Hi James
Late 2 will be the flashtune ECU,if they do have the NNN prefix ECU and it is manual Im willing to put my ECU into theirs for a test drive.It would have to be during the Xmas/new year break when Im home.
They would have to come down here,I have the Nannocom to sort the coding out.
Andrew

[JamesH]

Cheers Andrew

it's an auto. I'll give them the info and leave them to it.
J

[boggo]

Td5 Alive(in the UK) can upgrade "non-flashable" ECU's, (in the UK) via post, and does a bloody good job too. Very happy with mine.

[JamesH]

Td5 Alive(in the UK) can upgrade "non-flashable" ECU's, (in the UK) via post, and does a bloody good job too. Very happy with mine.

Do you mean replace your non flasher with a re-mapped flashable or do they send you a remapped non flashable unit?

[boggo]

Nope. He hard wires a chip into your original ECU. This bloke is the gun when it comes to tuning Td5's apparently. I'd highly recommend them. No excessive smoke, more power, better economy and as it's done properly, EGt's aren't excessive so you won't warp your manifold, common if it's not done properly. Pic shows how it's done. Link is Alive Tuning - Land Rover Performance Tuning - Defender, Discovery, Freelander, Range Rover, TDi, TD4, TD5, TD6, TDV6, and TDV8 (http://www.td5alive.com/td5tuning.php)

[waz]

If I have a reprogrammable ECU (NNW*****), is it worth getting it remapped if I'm not doing any other mods?

I understand if I was getting a larger intercooler/exhaust, a remap would be necessary. But if my D2 is stock, is it worth it?

I do a lot of towing/touring, so a bit more mid-range would be nice...

If it is worthwhile, can anyone recommend someone in SE Qld who could do this?

Waz

[discowhite]

a stock D2 will still benifit from the upgrade, its the egr/main muffler mods that you can do afterwards that put the icing on the cake so to speak.

cheers phil

[Tombie]

Any TD5 will benefit from an upgrade.

Other mods set in place both gains in performance and also longevity to the vehicle....

A stock TD5 with an mapping upgrade will still be a much better vehicle than the original vehicle.

[waz]

Any TD5 will benefit from an upgrade.

Other mods set in place both gains in performance and also longevity to the vehicle....

A stock TD5 with an mapping upgrade will still be a much better vehicle than the original vehicle.

Sorry about the dumb questions...

Is the mapping upgrade a once off? or do I need to re-map with the further mods eg exhaust?

Does this make sense?

Do you still do this Tombie2? Do you have someone in SEQld doing it on commission??

W

[Benny_IIA]

Sorry about the dumb questions...

Is the mapping upgrade a once off? or do I need to re-map with the further mods eg exhaust?

Does this make sense?

Do you still do this Tombie2? Do you have someone in SEQld doing it on commission??

W


With an auto you can only go to a max of 140kw and 380nm. This amount of power can be achieved by simple ECU upgrade and most people remove the EGR at the same time.

[Rosscoe68]

Do you still do this Tombie2? Do you have someone in SEQld doing it on commission??

W

i posted my ECU to tombie on a monday and had it back by end of week and up and running for weekend :)