Brake Hoses

[Scallops]

Hello Folks,

I'm going through my brakes and replacing the brake hoses, shoes and wheel cylinders. I have only looked at the front passenger side wheel so far - the brake hose was a male to female.

Is that normal (ie as original) for a 86/88 S1?

[JDNSW]

Hello Folks,

I'm going through my brakes and replacing the brake hoses, shoes and wheel cylinders. I have only looked at the front passenger side wheel so far - the brake hose was a male to female.

Is that normal (ie as original) for a 86/88 S1?

The brake flexible hoses should be male at both ends - one end screws into the cylinder or tee on the axle housing at the back, the other into a union on the fixed pipe plus a nut to clamp it to the chassis bracket. Looking at my books, all Series Landrovers have the same setup. (but hose lengths differ as do the threads on the unions and wheel cylinders)

John

[cjc_td5]

Scallops,
John is right, they should be male-to-male hoses. Mine were and that is what they have been replaced with.

One trap that I found was the threading at the chassis end. The old ones that came off my 86" were threaded all the way to the end of the fitting. With the new ones I bought, the thread stopped approx 4mm from the end of the fitting. This meant that the only new female fittings I could get would only engage onto the thread by about two turns. I ended up having to recover and reuse the old female fittings that were approx 5mm longer and therefore engaged onto the threaded end by a few more turns.

Cheers,
Chris

[Scallops]

I guess mine have been replaced then. It's the chassis end that is female, so the chassis brake line must have also been replaced, I guess.

[JDNSW]

I'd say that is right - up to you whether you replace the chassis pipes - although another possibility would be to find, make, or get made an adapter to return to standard hoses.

John

[Scallops]

Yes, thanks John. Are male female brake hoses harder to get? Because if they are not, I might just leave it as is and get suitable, but unoriginal, replacements.

[JDNSW]

Yes, thanks John. Are male female brake hoses harder to get? Because if they are not, I might just leave it as is and get suitable, but unoriginal, replacements.

I have no idea - for obvious reasons, I have never tried to get them! Best suggestion is to talk to a local brake specialist, preferably with a sample in hand - it is quite possible they fit something common. But in many cases the best solution, even with the originals, is to get them made up. Again, a local brake specialist will advise you.

John

[Mooloolah-Paul]

Hi Dan,
I checked mine last night and they are male on each end. I am pretty sure the reason for the male on the inboard end is that the male thread is anchored by a locknut to the flange on the axle casing. This relieves the stresses on the thread when the vehicle turns. With a female the thread itself is stressed by the stearing action.

I replaced mine several years ago, everything except the multiway unions and the slave cyls. It was very easy but I was working on a rolling chassis. Any good brake specialist especially one that specialises in old vehicles can make up the fixed pipes to match the originals even if you had to cut them off which I did. You may find the flexibles are off the shelf otherwise they will make them. I know it is a bit out of your way but BHSS at Capalaba are the best. They do a wonderful job on old Girling master cylinders.

Hope this helps, Paul

[zulu Delta 534]

This is the brake line off Dan's Matilda. N/S front.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2009/11/700.jpg
The female end was fitted to the solid brake line on the chassis and had no lock nut holding it in position. (Loose fitting which was a bit sus.) although it does resemble the part in the book (part #20).
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/
Regards
Glen

[Scallops]

Heya Glen! Thanks for that! So the mystery continues....perhaps... One thing I don't understand is why so many parts catalogues state their brake hoses are for S2, S2A and S3 but not a S1? I guess there must be other differences other than just female/male considerations.

[zulu Delta 534]

With a Series One Dan, one would have to look for the instructions carved into a tablet somewhere. Probably precedes paper and pen
Glen

[Scallops]

With a Series One Dan, one would have to look for the instructions carved into a tablet somewhere. Probably precedes paper and pen
Glen

:D :) Yeah - that's probably it! I'll have to brush up on my hieroglyphics :D

[Lotz-A-Landies]

I guess mine have been replaced then. It's the chassis end that is female, so the chassis brake line must have also been replaced, I guess.The chassis end should always be a long male thread with a taper and as John says a locking nut to clamp to the chassis bracket then a "flare nut" on the brake pipe that fits over the hose.

At the other end there are in fact a number of differences, that don't usually affect your model. The 80" had a short hose that screwed into the stem of a brass "banjo" fitting which in turn had a special bolt and copper washers that mated it to the wheel cylinder.
Some long wheelbase models with 11" brakes had a hose with a male flare nut fitting at both ends and a bracket mounted to the swivel seal retaining plate. There was then a flare nut and short brake pipe to the wheel cylinder.
The system described above was also fitted to the 109" SIII military.
The early 109 SIIA forward controls had a further modification where the brake pipe went to the bottom cylinder with the bleed screw fitted in the top cylinder.None of the series brake hoses had a female fitting at any end.

Diana

[JDNSW]

Heya Glen! Thanks for that! So the mystery continues....perhaps... One thing I don't understand is why so many parts catalogues state their brake hoses are for S2, S2A and S3 but not a S1? I guess there must be other differences other than just female/male considerations.

I suspect the reason is that S1 have BSF threads not UNF! (But many S1s today will have been changed) I also note that the part number for S3 changed in June 1980, possibly a change to metric threads.

John

[zulu Delta 534]

So, anybody, any clues what that hose may have come off originally.
Are we going to be better off replicating that existing system, or replacing all the brake lines throughout to fit the correct system.
Why would it have been altered in the first place?
I am beginning to think that perhaps Matilda hasn't ever read the Land Rover book!
Regards
Glen

[Lotz-A-Landies]

So, anybody, any clues what that hose may have come off originally.
Are we going to be better off replicating that existing system, or replacing all the brake lines throughout to fit the correct system.
Why would it have been altered in the first place?
I am beginning to think that perhaps Matilda hasn't ever read the Land Rover book!
Regards
GlenGlen

Not a clue what it could have come off, although likely to be something that used Girling or equivalent brake parts.

Why: The flare nut or particularly the locking nut can be a pain to remove when rusty, often resulting in having to cut the hose off. :mad:
Lots of cars go to brake specialists for brake repairs instead of Land Rover mechanics and they modify it with the parts they have on the shelf. It is very easy for them to make new brake lines. They may have replaced it with one of the ones that are held in place with a spring clip.

Your choice to replace like for like or return to original. The proviso would be the the replacement design actually has sufficient length for suspension and steering without rubbing or abraiding. If you have them made up at someone like ENZed get them to fit the spring over the rubber hose for extra protection.

If you return to original you may find the hole in the bracket is larger than original and you will have to have the brake pipes re-made back to the union under the steering box.

Diana

[B.S.F.]

In the picture of the hose below ,there seems to be clip near the male end on the rubber.(All rusty by the looks)That usually carries the part number.It could be a L/R ,PBR , Girling ......number.If you find a number let us know.
Biloxi

[zulu Delta 534]

Can't find any number but both ends are marked PBR
Regards
Glen

[Scallops]

Hey everyone - I'm really amazed at the knowledge here! :TakeABow: How hard could it be to replace the brake components, I thought! :D

I really appreciate everyone's input and help here. So thanks :)

[LandyStu]

This is the brake line off Dan's Matilda. N/S front.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2009/11/700.jpg
The female end was fitted to the solid brake line on the chassis and had no lock nut holding it in position. (Loose fitting which was a bit sus.) although it does resemble the part in the book (part #20).
http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii115/glenpats/s1brakepipes.jpg
Regards
Glen
Hi guys, my first post in this great site, anyway, that brake hose looks a lot like the early Falcon ones. It has a wavy square washer that slots into the female end to hold it to the body/chassis bracket, hope that helps.

[Scallops]

Hi guys, my first post in this great site, anyway, that brake hose looks a lot like the early Falcon ones. It has a wavy square washer that slots into the female end to hold it to the body/chassis bracket, hope that helps.

Thanks for helping me with your first post, and welcome to AULRO! :)