Anybody running Cooper S/T?

[Hymie]

In the last 2 weeks I have seen 2 separate vehicle's running Cooper S/T's affected by the casing separating at the bead. One on my Bosses personal car and one on a Tag-Along clients.
Could be a crook batch......

[Narangga]

Am 9,000kms into a set and no worries so far.

[dmdigital]

Lost count of how many I've heard about. Personally a good friend had two fail on his Prado within a week of buying them both tread separation. On my D2a I had them and they wore very unevenly.

My Tdi Defender also came with 6 new ones fitted and after 12,000km they are wearing very unevenly. A mate's Defender has them and he has torn some tread blocks off on the dirt tracks.

Would I buy them again - No!

The other Coopers AT's, STT's etc all seem to be much better tyres than the S/T's

[Slunnie]

Could be a crook batch......
I doubt. I think they are just a crap tyre. I've been there and wont be going back.

[parasnoop67]

I put a set of 255/70/16's on my p38a about 30k ago. Early on one have a fracture trough the middle of the tread which was unfixable. Impact- they said, no warranty slaim. Then had 4 punctures in the two back tyres and then finally a blowout.(50 mm split in sidewall)
I had replaced both front tyres when the tread fracture occurred(keeping the other side for a spare) but when I had a flat with stone holes through the tread in 2 places at once needing 3 plugs to nearly stop the leak on Saturday and then a blowout on Sunday I decided to get them off, as every time out on gravel I was not sure of getting home again.
So the Rangie now has a set of Goodyear Wrangler m/tr's in 245/75/16.
Shame as the Coopers were nic(er)to drive on but.......
These were not their light truck jobbies but the passenger ones .
But their man in the pamphlet says he's done 60k with no punctures.
So I rekon mine were a bad batch but the importers offered NO support.:mad:

[big guy]

Oh Slunnie you wise one.

All tyres have their horror stories, my ute has Bridgestone RE50 or something and at $500 bucks each have failed twice with bubbled side walls, very noisy and they are now 1/2 worn at 3500km's.

Coopers make good tyres just some are better than others, I for one trust mt ATR's fully.

Tried many other brands and find they drive well, wear well and cost not too much.
It could well be a crook batch and I hope they help you out in some way.

[Vern]

Big Guy, i reckon Bridgestone make crap tyres all round, ones on my old VZ commodore ute all bubbled in the wall(2 sets) and were noisy as hell, the ones on my VW transporter are very very unroadworthy at 15,000k (bald), they're just crap:(:mad:

[Slunnie]

True, but some have more than others and the ST's are just a crap tyre in my opinion, and not through bad luck or misuse, but crap through design.

The ST will not tolerate slip without fracture of the side lugs, the lugs are narrow and tall with a sharp radius in the root. These are paired up to look big, but they are not. As a result they tear side lugs when they encounter slip. Instead of fixing it properly they change the compound to make the rubber more pliable without fracture at the lug root and call it the ST-C The problem of the tread block design still exists in my opinon. Its got nothing to do with crook batches

Add that to a 4WD system that requires wheel spin such as the P38 and the pre MY03 Disco2 and you will damage the tyres.

Add this to the numerous horror stories as you call it of delamination, add these storys to the litigation and whistle blowing that has been happening by their own staff in the US of poor manufacturing practise of the tyres and it is no wonder that Cooper tires are original fitment to NO new vehicles - something that could earn them a hell of a lot of money.

Trust in the ATR's, thats nice but its a very different tyre to the ST.

[Ean Austral]

Bought 5 new for the Disco, 42000ks 2 went egg shaped 1 side wall collapsed 1 side wall punctured not repairable. Rang cooper about there warranty, GUESS WHAT..I live in the NT its out of the warranty area, last time I looked Darwin was a Capital city..

Yep you guessed it NEVER again..
Thats my 2c worth

Cheers Ean

[LandyAndy]

Had them on my D2 they are now on Debs Rangie.
Wouldnt buy another set.
You can only get their KM gaurantee in the city.My set wouldnt get the KMs,they are over 50% gone in a total of 30000ks.They dont handle highway heating/travel.
Andrew

[dmdigital]

Cooper's warranty is one of the biggest jokes around. It would be impossible to travel around Australia and comply with the conditions they impose to cover the tyres for the "warranty".

BFG A/T's and Cooper S/T's are both on my "never by them again" list.

General Grabbers on the Puma are VERY good. I believe they cost a packet to replace though.

[Larns]

I've got a set of ST's I made sure I got the Light Truck rated ones though.....
Can't say I've got much of a complaint of them, yes some of the lugs on the sidewall have chipped. But I've done nearly 55k on them and a fair chunk of that was on dirt N.T roads towing a boat so what should I expect??? With the remaining tread left on them I reckon I'll get at least another 40k. Have a mate with wrangler muddies on his cruiser and they are chipping as well, not wearing particularly well either. But at nearly twice the price of the coopers I think I'll put up with the chipping. Never had a puncture either, knock on wood.
Not good to hear about these horror stories.

[Mutley]

I have cooper ST's on my D1..

The actual tread itself has worn really well and still tons left, but two of the four tyres have become lumpy and are crap at high speed...

[cageyr]

I am on my second set of Cooper Discoverer S/T's on th D1, with 60,000ks on them with no dramas. The first set were replaced at 103,000ks, so you could say that I am happy with them.

[zulu Delta 534]

I cant say what is a good tyre yet as I have only done 220,000ks on the disco and am still only on my third set. Original Michelins got 82000, replacement Pirellis got 75000 ($100 cheaper per tyre) and the current Coopers (similar price to Pirellis) are still going strong at about 63,000.
I still have another two brands that I would like to give a workout but I dont think I will last long enough.
But with truck tyres fitted to Mercedes touring coaches, I can tell a different story as after owning and operating a small fleet of these animals for 21 years, I tested a heck of a lot of tyre brands and found without a doubt the best 'all round' tyre (for our operation) was by far, Toyo. The average mileage life was not as great as Michelin, but then they didn't cost nearly as much either, and the all important 'dollar per Km" outshone Michelin by miles. The sidewall roll effect (exaggerated horribly in the back seat of a coach) of the Michelins was enough to frighten passengers. Plus of course wear and tread patterns were different for the steer to the drive and different again for rolling 'tag' axles.
All this has little to do with Land Rovers I know, but the point I am trying to make is that most of the expressions shown in this thread reflect sales blurbs, hearsay and personal choices rather than any cold hard fact. Unfortunate experiences can be recalled by anyone to reflect badly on any brand you wish to mention, and these must be taken in context with the application to be of any use whatsoever.
Just remember that regardless of what you do the average 4x4 will spend in excess of 80% of its time on made roads, so the cluey operator will select tyres that perform outstandingly in these conditions and other parameters should be proportionate.
Nothing brings a smile to my face quite like seeing a tricked up 4x4x ute with shiny chrome and fitted with tractor tyres parked outside a jobsite in the city. Don't become one of them.
Regards
Glen

[V8Ian]

I cant say what is a good tyre yet as I have only done 220,000ks on the disco and am still only on my third set. Original Michelins got 82000, replacement Pirellis got 75000 ($100 cheaper per tyre) and the current Coopers (similar price to Pirellis) are still going strong at about 63,000.
I still have another two brands that I would like to give a workout but I dont think I will last long enough.
But with truck tyres fitted to Mercedes touring coaches, I can tell a different story as after owning and operating a small fleet of these animals for 21 years, I tested a heck of a lot of tyre brands and found without a doubt the best 'all round' tyre (for our operation) was by far, Toyo. The average mileage life was not as great as Michelin, but then they didn't cost nearly as much either, and the all important 'dollar per Km" outshone Michelin by miles. The sidewall roll effect (exaggerated horribly in the back seat of a coach) of the Michelins was enough to frighten passengers. Plus of course wear and tread patterns were different for the steer to the drive and different again for rolling 'tag' axles.
All this has little to do with Land Rovers I know, but the point I am trying to make is that most of the expressions shown in this thread reflect sales blurbs, hearsay and personal choices rather than any cold hard fact. Unfortunate experiences can be recalled by anyone to reflect badly on any brand you wish to mention, and these must be taken in context with the application to be of any use whatsoever.
Just remember that regardless of what you do the average 4x4 will spend in excess of 80% of its time on made roads, so the cluey operator will select tyres that perform outstandingly in these conditions and other parameters should be proportionate.
Nothing brings a smile to my face quite like seeing a tricked up 4x4x ute with shiny chrome and fitted with tractor tyres parked outside a jobsite in the city. Don't become one of them.
Regards
Glen
Toyo were indeed a good tyre, until they introduced the LA (steer tyres) which wore incredibley badly on the shoulders. Multi vehicle operators were getting claims on them, but we insignificant single truck owner drivers couldn't, I have refused to buy Toyo since.
Tyres need to be compared side by side, the tyre you buy today can look identical to what was on offer a year or two ago but with a different compound. This will totally change the characteristics and wear properties of a tyre.
The cheap Aisian imports rely on this marketing ploy, they will introduce a long wearing hard compound tyre, at a keen price. By the time word gets around truck operators, the prices have risen and compounds softened. Then when said tyres have got a bad name, the cycle starts again with a different name.

[cookiesa]

Had two sets of ST's on my D1, both sets well in excess of 90k with lots of off roading, both sand and shale (sp? Ron?) rock climbs around the flinders and regular 4x4ing out the back of Mt Laura in Whyalla with lots of rocks. (LT not passenger) Would buy again without a doubt. Like all tyres pressure is important and not running too high a pressure more so in avoiding damage on rocks.

Also ran a set of AT's on a Feroza, same sort of terrains but lots more wheel spin due to the lack of suspension travel and they lasted well over 90k.

[rar110]

When I was shopping for tyres earlier this year I noticed the Cooper warranty for ATRs were a lot stronger than for STs. It sounds like LT version has less problems.

I ended up buying Goodyear silent armors 235/85LT.

I was tempted to go with General Grabber AT2s which were about $260 each f & b.

Probably the best deal in hindsight was Pirelli Scorpion MT 235/85 found by Blackight at about $200 each.

[isuzu110]

I'm onto my second set of STs (LT) since 2001 and love em.

Done a 1.5 laps of Oz in them, including a tag along with you Hymie ;)

Never had a flat. Never had a chip.

I have had STTs chip real bad on rock ledges. Probably not aired down enough. My bad.

[Sith]

yup i got them they are rubbish , tear lugs off all the time , wont stay in balance and casing has separated on one

[Redback]

Those that get good Ks out of Coopers how much serious off road do you do, I will stick my neck out and say not a lot, my experience with Cooper Tyres is well recorded, they are CRAP pure and simple:twisted:

Baz.

[big guy]

yup i got them they are rubbish , tear lugs off all the time , wont stay in balance and casing has separated on one

Sith, with all due respect, could it be operator error.
As said by many as well as driving instructors, lugs will tear off any tyre if in-correct pressure in tyres does not suit the situation and or people are traversing too quickly.

A tyre is not in-destructable and if we deflate tyres and drive slowly I bet even a very cheap tyre would perform well.

I have many times seen people just say Nah I got a V8 with wolf management and 4inch lift and can go anywhere and watch how fast I can do it too.
Many You-tube videos are evidence of that. Drive slow and let the tyres down and i bet you will have a much better run with your tyres.
If you already are a careful slow and steady man than forget what I said and happy roving.

[Slunnie]

Sith, with all due respect, could it be operator error.
As said by many as well as driving instructors, lugs will tear off any tyre if in-correct pressure in tyres does not suit the situation and or people are traversing too quickly.

A tyre is not in-destructable and if we deflate tyres and drive slowly I bet even a very cheap tyre would perform well.

I have many times seen people just say Nah I got a V8 with wolf management and 4inch lift and can go anywhere and watch how fast I can do it too.
Many You-tube videos are evidence of that. Drive slow and let the tyres down and i bet you will have a much better run with your tyres.
If you already are a careful slow and steady man than forget what I said and happy roving.
True, but the difference is that most other tyres will tear part of the tread block but the tread block remains firmly attached to the carcass.

The ST on the other hand will tear the carcass resulting the removal of the entire tread block, and the minor cracking is probably also the reason for that tyres more common than mosts tread delamination.

It doesn't take much to damage these tyres. Just a low key jaunt through the Snowy/Murray region is enough.

[Hymie]

I'm onto my second set of STs (LT) since 2001 and love em.

Done a 1.5 laps of Oz in them, including a tag along with you Hymie ;)

Never had a flat. Never had a chip.

I have had STTs chip real bad on rock ledges. Probably not aired down enough. My bad.

From memeory you were on the High Country Easter trip with the family weren't you?
Wasn't that the coldest trip ever!

[Hymie]

Anyhow, I started the thread to alert people of a possible problem, not to bag a brand of tyre. Lets not get too emotional about it.

[Sith]

Nope , its hardly driver error when I watch my tyre pressures and route taken , also Tyre Power also agreed that the "batch" was a bad one ...

even harder to have a WOLF 3DV4 on a 300 tdi defender ...

Let me guess .... you sell them or work for them





Sith, with all due respect, could it be operator error.
As said by many as well as driving instructors, lugs will tear off any tyre if in-correct pressure in tyres does not suit the situation and or people are traversing too quickly.

A tyre is not in-destructable and if we deflate tyres and drive slowly I bet even a very cheap tyre would perform well.

I have many times seen people just say Nah I got a V8 with wolf management and 4inch lift and can go anywhere and watch how fast I can do it too.
Many You-tube videos are evidence of that. Drive slow and let the tyres down and i bet you will have a much better run with your tyres.
If you already are a careful slow and steady man than forget what I said and happy roving.

[cookiesa]

Neither sell or work for someone who does, not even close and lots of 4 wheel driving on rock and shale, then again can't say I have had many tyre problems at all other than last long weekend when I slashed the sidewall on a Sava on the 80 series (they were on it when I got it) and destroyed the tyre.

Lots of hard off roading, especially through the summer periods on stinking hot days, loaded up with no tyre problems. Maybe your just unlucky.

[Hoges]

Got a set of Cooper H/T :eek: for the P38. That was about 20,000 km ago Like the wise man said, mostly one travels long distances on the bitumen to get to the rough stuff... so, on sand/gravel/lotza dirt road corrugations...take it easy / watch pressures ...they've been quite reasonable... I remember when Evan Green and "Gelignite" Jack Murray did a figure 8 crossing of Oz in an Austin 1800 and a Mini Minor on standard tyres...

[Bulldog]

Tearing lugs off tyres is just a heavy right foot on rocky ground. Try driving properly at the correct pressures. I see mates in the middle of summer spinning their Simex Centipedes on rocks till smoke comes off and then cry about torn lugs. They are MUD tyres!!! Hence, the BIG LUGS!

I've got STTs and they're fine... and i'm not all that nice to them either. 80% offroad, 20% on (weekend truck).

PS: I've heard they WERE a poor tyre... How old are all these worst-tyre-in-the-world stories?

[John W]

Have a set of S/Ts about 30 000 so far no problems. They are just the standard D2 size passenger tyres. I have had some cuts in the tread blocks but that was because I lost my air bag suspension and had to slowly climb up a rocky section with the suspension down on the bump stops, thus I had to slowly crawl over the bumps and had a fair amount of wheel spin doing that.

After reading all the gripes what would people suggest you replace them with if you need a bit of grip?

Unfortunately I am one of those who feel lucky if I even do 20% off road. Point is that your 20% off road would be limited to sand or reasonable tracks if you just have AT tyres. I have found the S/Ts to have just enough bite to get you through the slippery stuff but still be OK on road. Bit noisy but OK. I know you would get better road milage and all that with a road or AT tyre but I would have no confidence when I do get the chance to have some real fun. Tyres are probably the most important thing after a Landy when it comes to a bit of confidence off road. Seems like a waist of time to have a 4X4 without a S/T or mud style tyre to me.

[redrovertdi]

Hello, I had cooper AT/Rs on my 89 rangerover and no dramas, I run "triangles" 265/75 ATRs on my defender, great on the road, sand and forestry tracks, cost $200ea and very happy, they replaced BFG 33x10.5 A/T[no longer available in that size] that had cracked/perishing tread all over and still 10mm deep.

[MT]

Dunno what other people are up to, but I have had Cooper HT on my SII Disco for 65K now and no real issue. And about 1/3 to 1/4 of the tread left. This includes the GRR, Oodnadatta Track, Buchanan Hwy, Plenty Hwy and a lot of ****ty tracks around the Flinders Ranges, Isa and the Gulf country at max GVM and high temp.

I always watch the pressure and adjust speed according to the conditions.

I reckon they **** on the Michelins that the Disco came with - they were rooted at 40K, mainly bitumen. Given how much tread is still left I reckon they have been good.

Of course, If I wanted to drive like a dickhead I could ruin any set of tyres in less than hours elapsed time or 5km distance....

[LandyAndy]

Hey MT
You are running the HIGHWAY tyre,this is about the STs.
I dont drive like a dickhead either,they are crud.
I reckon I could burn highway tires too if I wanted to hoon.Funny they only give the poxy KM gaurantee to city drivers,the ST tyres dont stand up to real driving.They only tell you after they are fitted by a city dealer and you ask the question that the tyres arent going to meet the distance the tyre seller gauranteed when selling.BEEN THERE DONE THAT!!!! NEVER AGAIN!!!!
Done more Ks on my MTRs and they still have 75%+ tread.:cool::cool::cool:
Andrew

[Slunnie]

Hey MT
You are running the HIGHWAY tyre,this is about the STs.
I dont drive like a dickhead either,they are crud.
I reckon I could burn highway tires too if I wanted to hoon.Funny they only give the poxy KM gaurantee to city drivers,the ST tyres dont stand up to real driving.They only tell you after they are fitted by a city dealer and you ask the question that the tyres arent going to meet the distance the tyre seller gauranteed when selling.BEEN THERE DONE THAT!!!! NEVER AGAIN!!!!
Done more Ks on my MTRs and they still have 75%+ tread.:cool::cool::cool:
Andrew
I was about to say the same. Its about ST's not any other tyre.

Likewise, my ST didn't see 12 months out before they were turfed. My MTR's have been on for about 5 years+ now and are still going.

[MT]

OK, point taken.

Which may pose another question - why buy ST when it seems that other tyres do the job better?

Cheers

Mark

[Slunnie]

OK, point taken.

Which may pose another question - why buy ST when it seems that other tyres do the job better?

Cheers

Mark
Probably a lack of awareness and great marketing.

The ST is probably one of the very few AT's that are not glorified HT pattern tyres and the tread pattern offers a lot of offroad traction before moving to a mud tyre. The MTR is probably the only other in this category, but due to the open pattern and its name (MTR is actually Maximum Traction Reinforced, not Mud Terrain), most think that its a mud tyre which it isn't. Other than this, the next step is into mud tyres, but the development of muds seems to be in making them suitable as daily drivers which further crosses them with AT's like the ST and the MTR.

[Fluids]

I'm running 255/70 x 16's (passenger build, not LT) on a 2004 D2a Td5 Auto. They were on it when we purchased it 6 months ago so that's what we got!

They were fitted at 70,000km to replace the XPC's, we purchased it at 120,000km, and now we're at 130,000km ... so that's 60,000km so far on them of which I've done 10,000km trouble free, with plenty of life left on 3x of them ... previous owner never rotated them, and front wheel alignment was out so front LHS is scrubbed and I now need to buy 2x more. (Or buy 5x new different tyres ... so I'm kinda locked into buying more Cooper S/T's ... unless anyone knows of a better different brand tyre I can get 5x for the price of 2x Cooper S/T's ??)

Beach, bush, dirt and rocky ground driving, and I'm pretty happy with them. Bit noisy at highway speed with windows down ... to be expected I guess. Windows up, not a problem. No chipping, cuts or torn lugs (touch wood). The D2 is our daily drive, so it's maybe 65% tar & 35% mixed off-road ... they provide enough grip off-road for our use. We're not 4WD extremists, and I'm aware of tyre pressures versus terrain and I'm not an agressive driver - I take it slow & easy. So far, they've treated me real well and I reckon a full new set should go close to 100,000km the way we drive.

Slunnie wrote ... "The ST is probably one of the very few AT's that are not glorified HT pattern tyres and the tread pattern offers a lot of offroad traction before moving to a mud tyre." .... and that's right. I'll lean towards a tyre that gives better off-road grip in preference to less on-road noise & better ride ... they are after all fitted to a 4WD ! :) The HT & AT style tyres don't look agressive enough for my liking.

I hear alot of people rubbish the S/T's, but from my current experience, by circumstance, not by choice, I really can't say anything bad about them ! I know wheel spin can be a problem, so, I avoid it where possible on hard rocky surfaces (lower pressures, drive slower and easier) ... and with T/C you shouldn't get much wheel spin anyway!

... I may have to eat my words in the future, but for now I think they are OK.

YMMV

Kev..

[Zute]

I think people are expecting to much from the ST. I'd only expect to use it for touring. Im on my second set of STT's and they live most of theyr'e life on tar. But I wanted a tyre that could handle hard off road, and since they seem to be close to the ST for road noise, it seemed no contest.
But as a side note, Ive seen some people who could get a flat on a steel wheel. I think the tyre Gods hate them.

[4x4x2]

Hi
One of my mates runs them on his 130 off road -farm reckons theyre to rough a good tough tyre he thinks but will shake him and the truck to bits.
I have some hankooks(110tray) that have done 80000 bout 8 years old but now stuffed stilll a bit of tread but out of round and balance -had a pretty hard time off road. will probably go for the cheapest most M/t as stones and stakes arent fussy

[Narangga]

Am 9,000kms into a set and no worries so far.

And after 14,000 kms!

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ (http://img714.imageshack.us/i/p1000950z.jpg/)

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ (http://img708.imageshack.us/i/p1000954o.jpg/)


May post the photo of Derek the Panel Beater at some stage too!

[dmdigital]

To quote Dale's radio call: "Going to have to stop. Think we've done a tyre."

Now that was an understatement :eek2:



I ran S/T's on my D2a and have them on my Tdi 110. Won't be going back to them as their wear patterns are terrible.

[LandyAndy]

And after 14,000 kms!

http://img714.imageshack.us/img714/6144/p1000950z.jpg (http://img714.imageshack.us/i/p1000950z.jpg/)

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ (http://img708.imageshack.us/i/p1000954o.jpg/)


May post the photo of Derek the Panel Beater at some stage too!

Dale,whats wrong with that??? Its still keeping the rim out of the dirt!!!!!
I hope Coopers are going to cover the damages and get you a new set of tyres.
THATS JUST WRONG!!!!
Andrew

[Narangga]

First thing Derek said was "It's still up!"

Had a busy two days in Darwin Thurs & Fri and as I did not have the invoices with me I didn't bother the Darwin agent but bought 2 Goodyear Wranglers to put on the rear. I left the 2 on the front that have done 4,000kms and made the 2 others with 11,000kms the spares for the drive home today which fortunately was uneventful!

[It'sNotWorthComplaining!]

bought a set 6 odd years ago, done heaps and heaps of miles on them, still got plenty of tread depth and no probs. If they are sooo bad then I must be lucky:confused:

[big guy]

Dale,whats wrong with that??? Its still keeping the rim out of the dirt!!!!!
I hope Coopers are going to cover the damages and get you a new set of tyres.
THATS JUST WRONG!!!!
Andrew

Could have and surely has happend to many tyres.

Tough terrain, tough tyres and sometimes they fail.
Sorry to hear about the damage though mate.:o

[SimonM]

I had ST's on my Hilux a few years back and they were replaced under warranty after a trip I did to the Flinders, Birdsville and Innaminka. At the time I was fully aware of the issues with chipping and lugs tearing off so I kept an eye on speed, tyre pressure and wheel spin. I felt like I babied them but lugs were still torn off!

All four were replaced pro-rata and I had no further chipping problems. Only because I sold the Hilux before doing any other major offroading ;). I for one will not be going back to ST's.

[LBudgie]

Yep, Had a set on now for aprox 5 years or so, done aprox 80000 kms
some high country work while hunting. all good here. no probs at all. and they look like i will get 50000 more k's out of them.
but i'm a good driver and look after my car, unlike some :D;):p:p:D

[INter674]

A big Cooper's agent in Hobart told me not to touch them - he said the warranty claims were crippling his business. He showed me a pile of them in the shop corner with all sorts of issues, splits, delaminations and so on - all waiting for Cooper's reimbursement. Having come from the dealer, you can imagine my surprise!! At least he was honest.

But then again, another dealer in Hobart who was trying to sell them to me said that his customers were in the main happy especially with the high milage they were getting. he got vague when I asked him about warranty issues, saying only that he would stand by them provided they were brought back for regular rotation, pressure/wear/alignment checks and so on.

[frantic]

Before the tyre is fitted check the age of the tyre(it's marked on the side a code guide is in here somwhere?), you dont want a tyre thats been sitting around for 2-5 years as the rubber and compunds will degrade and then you may have the tyre under your car for another 5 years so your driving around on 10 year old rubber.
I replaced my old 235/85 st's(on the def when I bought it) which had several repaired punctures (on all 5!) with 5 maxxi bighorn 255/85 r16 they are a bit louder but handle the same, the more agro pattern is compensated by the extra width.:D

[Randylandy]

Have had a set on my Wrangler. Have had no issues with them except they need repacing after 50,000km They looked near new at 30000kmish but went bald relly quickly last few thousand, thought I would have got a at least 70K out of them. Probably won't get them again.

[Narangga]

Before the tyre is fitted check the age of the tyre(it's marked on the side a code guide is in here somwhere?), you dont want a tyre thats been sitting around for 2-5 years as the rubber and compunds will degrade and then you may have the tyre under your car for another 5 years so your driving around on 10 year old rubber.
I replaced my old 235/85 st's(on the def when I bought it) which had several repaired punctures (on all 5!) with 5 maxxi bighorn 255/85 r16 they are a bit louder but handle the same, the more agro pattern is compensated by the extra width.:D


I could check the tyres but where I am there is no old stock. Often you have to wait for the next lot to arrive on the barge from Darwin. 14,000km and 18 months after fitting - hence they are being removed.


Could have and surely has happend to many tyres.

Tough terrain, tough tyres and sometimes they fail.
Sorry to hear about the damage though mate.:o

I agree as other brands I have used have had some issues at some stage but this particular brand and type of tyre have too many delamination stories behind them for me to keep using them on trips. Will use them around home where I do not go longer than 100km at a time.

I did speak to others before I bought them and like some they had not had problems.

If you look in the bottom photo the one long piece of delaminated tread can be seen. It was almost wrapped around the brake line and ABS sensor but fortunately no damage!

[flagg]

I agree as other brands I have used have had some issues at some stage but this particular brand and type of tyre have too many delamination stories behind them for me to keep using them on trips.

Yep. It's not an isolated problem.. It has happened to many many people, including me. They are a safety hazard and if you have them you should replace them. Sounds harsh but I really feel it is that simple - this is a tyre that can not be trusted.

[stig0000]

i got one, its a 265/75 and its a spear, iv had to put a wheel cover on it to stop it from wereing out:mad::mad::mad::o

so im never going to buy them

[rwethryet]

I have a set of st,s 245/ 16s on the old series 1 disco .They have done nearly all highway and dirt driving with beach runs most weekends.I have done almost 100k on them and they have about a third tread left.:) The only problem I have encounted is a side wall staking which is 2 inch in length and has been patched as a spare. still holding air. Poor choice of place to turn the vehicle and camp trailer in the scrub on my behalf, not the tyres. cant fault them and wont hesitate to buy them again when I eventually run out of tread.