Front recovery points

[patclan]

Hi all, I have read the posts regarding recovery points and I have ordered a couple of Jate rings from the UK for my Puma, unfortunatley it looks like they wont be here before I head to fraser next week, as this is my first time off road and have not had time for a course yet I am a bit concerned I may get stuck.

The inlaws are going also in their Toy, so could get embarrasing..

Question:

If the the jate rings dont come in time is there a safe place to attach a recovery line or winch to the front of the truck?

I considered getting a couple of hooks from ARB and fitting where the tie downs are attached but worried it may be a bit one sided on the chassis.

Any help would be appreciated..

thanks
Patrick

[waz]

The inlaws are going also in their Toy, so could get embarrasing..


Yeah I can see they could get embarrassed.

Try to avoid recovering vehicles in reverse. If possible hook the pin of the tow bar through the strap.

Waz

[Scallops]

And drop your tyre pressures to 16psi and keep some momentum in the loose sand - you'll be fine.

If you can wrap a recovery strap or whatever you might need to use (in the unlikely event that you get stuck) around the chassis, that would be best - don't try to use the tie down hooks though - they can easily give way.

Just enjoy - take a shovel too if you can.

[4x4x2]

I agree with waz i stick strap through pin in towbar sleeeve -i have a sticker above my towbar - nissan recovery point:D

[Milton477]

We all know that landies don't get stuck but it is a bit daft that they don't come with recovery points fitted to the front. You might need to recover the guy in front of you without turning around.

[pando]

Hi Guys,

Have seen numerous self recoveries done on sand with the MAXX TRAX and shovel, take up a bit of space and not always practical i know but less stress on the vehicle (and driver) than a snatch or winch recovery and you should be able to get a hold of them before the weekend maybe?

Also have seen (on one of the 4wd monthly vids) dropping tire pressures down super low (sub 12psi from memory) and the guy drove it out of a bogged situation on sand, mind you all he had to do was drive straight and would I be a bit worried if excessive stick was needed to get up a steep dune or the like?

I think he popped the pressures back up to plus 16 as soon as he could too.

Not a substitution for going with others but maybe an option if suitable recovery points are not available?

[Hoges]

The "optimal" manner for a recovery point is to attach a 2.5m 16mm (25x6)wire rope sling as a bridle between the bolts attaching the radius arms to the front axle... .:: Sling Details ::. (http://www.bullivants.com/front/slings2.php'mod=2&id_dir=22)

the force path tends to lift the front wheels out of the rut (like pulling a billy cart :D), rather than trying to separate the chassis from the front suspension by driving the wheels further into the bog... which if you analyse it... is what happens with a JATE ring.

attachment to the axle is simple... the existing bolts had plenty of thread left so I simply bolted BIG 3mm thick steel washer in place with an extra nut. I slip an end of the sling over each washer BEFORE I get into the rough stuff. Can do same for the rear.

Then, you simply gather the wire sling in the middle and form a loop which you fix in place with a proper u-bolt wire clamp. Use the loop to secure a rated D shackle


The sling is held off the ground when not needed using a bungee cord. If you have a bull bar, all the better for tying it off. doesn't look as "tough" as a Jate but it's just as effective/ if not more so...


I found this great idea on the web when looking in frustration for ideas about recovery points on my P38 ...it's the "science" of it which appealed! see also
Technical Review of ADR (http://www.yican.com.au/ADR/TechADR.html) for a full explanation

[cookiesa]

Bushranger do a sand trax roll up system which is a good alternative to the maxtrax and much easier to store.

[waz]

I also heard of a good idea on another forum. For a cheap alternative to maxxtrax, chop up a milk crate and loosely join the edges of 2 of the walls with tie-wire to get one track. They should fold up pretty flat.

W

[AussieAub]

The "optimal" manner for a recovery point is to attach a 2.5m 16mm (25x6)wire rope sling as a bridle between the bolts attaching the radius arms to the front axle... (etc, etc, etc)

Hoges,
Do you use this set up? If so, on what vehicle, and how do you find it?
Got any pics of the attachments too?

Those diagrams are a bit vague for looking at connection methods (safely!), but I'd been keen on possibly trying this option out, as I reckon it sounds pretty good.

Cheers,

..:: KIEREN ::..
2000 Disco II Auto V8
Object Of Mass Consumption
AussieAubs Disco Page (http://aussieaub.blogspot.com)

[pando]

I also heard of a good idea on another forum. For a cheap alternative to maxxtrax, chop up a milk crate and loosely join the edges of 2 of the walls with tie-wire to get one track. They should fold up pretty flat.

W

Awesome,

Love Bush Mechanic stuff like that.

As a bloke at work would say, "we MacGyvered it!"

[sam_d]

Awesome,

Love Bush Mechanic stuff like that.

As a bloke at work would say, "we MacGyvered it!"

And don't forget to taken them with you!

I made some milk-crate-max-tracks and the only time I've been out and needed them I'd left them at home. D'oh!

[Blknight.aus]

Bushranger do a sand trax roll up system which is a good alternative to the maxtrax and much easier to store.


I also heard of a good idea on another forum. For a cheap alternative to maxxtrax, chop up a milk crate and loosely join the edges of 2 of the walls with tie-wire to get one track. They should fold up pretty flat.

W


Awesome,

Love Bush Mechanic stuff like that.

As a bloke at work would say, "we MacGyvered it!"


And don't forget to taken them with you!

I made some milk-crate-max-tracks and the only time I've been out and needed them I'd left them at home. D'oh!


http://www.aulro.com/afvb/projects-tutorials/48963-how-make-cheapy-sand-tracks-ladders-mats-whatevers-offsite-image-warnings.html?highlight=sand+matts

like them?

2m x1.8m of shade cloth folded into fours or 5's also works surprising ly well if you anchor it in a couple of places and better again if you screw a couple of short lenght of conduit to it.

[sam_d]

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/projects-tutorials/48963-how-make-cheapy-sand-tracks-ladders-mats-whatevers-offsite-image-warnings.html?highlight=sand+matts

like them?


That'll be it! :)

[V8Ian]

Awesome,

Love Bush Mechanic stuff like that.

As a bloke at work would say, "we MacGyvered it!"
Wonder if Dairy Farmers or Parmalat are equally impressed.:angel:

[Tank]

The "optimal" manner for a recovery point is to attach a 2.5m 16mm (25x6)wire rope sling as a bridle between the bolts attaching the radius arms to the front axle... .:: Sling Details ::. (http://www.bullivants.com/front/slings2.php'mod=2&id_dir=22)

the force path tends to lift the front wheels out of the rut (like pulling a billy cart :D), rather than trying to separate the chassis from the front suspension by driving the wheels further into the bog... which if you analyse it... is what happens with a JATE ring.

attachment to the axle is simple... the existing bolts had plenty of thread left so I simply bolted BIG 3mm thick steel washer in place with an extra nut. I slip an end of the sling over each washer BEFORE I get into the rough stuff. Can do same for the rear.

Then, you simply gather the wire sling in the middle and form a loop which you fix in place with a proper u-bolt wire clamp. Use the loop to secure a rated D shackle


The sling is held off the ground when not needed using a bungee cord. If you have a bull bar, all the better for tying it off. doesn't look as "tough" as a Jate but it's just as effective/ if not more so...


I found this great idea on the web when looking in frustration for ideas about recovery points on my P38 ...it's the "science" of it which appealed! see also
Technical Review of ADR (http://www.yican.com.au/ADR/TechADR.html) for a full explanation
A 2.5M bridle strap seems much too short for your application, the angle formed by attaching the 2 eyes to the radius rods would be close to 90 degrees, which will Double the load on the sling, if you apply 2 to 3 tonnes of pull to your setup you will impart 4 to 6 tonnes of tension to your bridle sling, you should aim for an angle of less than 45 derees to avoid dangerous loads on the sling. Using a Bulldog clamp as you suggest makes the angle even worse with the possibility of the clamp being torn apart, bulldog clamps should only ever be used on Standing rigging (guy ropes) and never on slings, Regards Frank.

[patclan]

Thanks for all your replies, amazingly my jate rings arrived this morning, I got them posted to my work to make sure I got them.

I have not looked at where they go on the defender yet but was wondering if anyone new if the bolts holding the tie downs would be long enough and strong enough, as the jates did not come with bolts I will have to buy some, does anyone know what type I should get given they have to be strong and where in the Brisbane area I would get them?

thanks
Patrick

[Scallops]

Thanks for all your replies, amazingly my jate rings arrived this morning, I got them posted to my work to make sure I got them.

I have not looked at where they go on the defender yet but was wondering if anyone new if the bolts holding the tie downs would be long enough and strong enough, as the jates did not come with bolts I will have to buy some, does anyone know what type I should get given they have to be strong and where in the Brisbane area I would get them?

thanks
Patrick

Use 8.8 high tensile steel bolts - available from the Bolt shop on Evans Road Moorooka or Deshon Street Wooloongabba.

[patclan]

Use 8.8 high tensile steel bolts - available from the Bolt shop on Evans Road Moorooka or Deshon Street Wooloongabba.

Scallops, Thanks for that, I live 5 mins from Moorooka at the moment so that is perfect.

Cheers