Groupset choices - who is a sheep around here?

[EchiDna]

so you drive a landrover and wouldn't look at a toyota - do you ride Shimano? or?

[Benny_IIA]

shimano on all my bikes.

XTR/Saint on the dh bike
XTR/XT on the xc bike.

Have run sram but not a fan(:angel:)


I have riden a roadie with campag record and was very impressed.

ben...

[Blknight.aus]

Ive always had shimano stuff and never had cause to complain.....

[jaseh]

Shimano.

Have full XT inc wheels, on my current bike. Have never had any issues. Tried sram on a couple of bikes but never fell in love. Rode a mates bike with sram once and snapped his X0 rear derailleur when a stick got caught it it., cost me a packet to replace the carbon cage. Had sticks go into shimano derailleurs and only ever broke the hanger on the bike.

[EchiDna]

lotsa sheep eh? :P

no surprise though, 9/10 store bought bikes must have shimano unless they are super cheapies which are no name...

there again, all respondents so far seem to be mountain bike based...

[Slunnie]

like Shimano but also very happy with SRAM. MTB.

[jaseh]

no surprise though, 9/10 store bought bikes must have shimano unless they are super cheapies which are no name...



From what I've seen of MTB a fair majority of anything over $1000 comes with Sram. About 90% of bikes under $1000 would have shimano the rest would have a some Sram X4/5 or some SR Suntour stuff.

Road bikes are a different story, 9/10 bikes from a store will have Shimano. Main reason would be that in your volume sellers under about $2500 Sram don't really have much to offer and From memory Bianchi is about the only manufacturer that specs Campag across its full range.

[Scallops]

I've had both Record, Chorus and Dura Ace. Using DA now - love it, loved Record too though. Functionally, very little separating them, if anything. :) Especially between Chorus and Record.

I'm going to nominate DA (Shimano) - simply because the shifters fit my hands slightly better.

[isuzurover]

I had campagnolo hubs on my BMX bike many years ago.

However campagnolo MTB groupsets were crap and AFAIK they stopped production.

You seem to have missed many of the mtb manufacturers...
My DH/FR bike has Race Face cranks and chainrings (custom bash guard), XT mechs and shifters (rear mech soon to be replaced with Sram), XT cassette and Sram chain.

[EchiDna]

I had campagnolo hubs on my BMX bike many years ago.

However campagnolo MTB groupsets were crap and AFAIK they stopped production.

You seem to have missed many of the mtb manufacturers...
My DH/FR bike has Race Face cranks and chainrings (custom bash guard), XT mechs and shifters (rear mech soon to be replaced with Sram), XT cassette and Sram chain.

groupsets are exactly that - sets, not components like cranks, chainrings, brakes etc... if this was a list of component makers, geez there are hundreds!

Forgive me if I'm wrong, but isn't XT one step below XTR on the shimano MTB groupset list?

[Offender90]

My previous XC bike was full Shimano, XTR everything but hubs (Ringle front and XT rear). That was before Sram's time tho. The current one's a mixed bag, Sram shifters and rear mech, Shimano front mech, Raceface cranks & chainrings, Shimano rear casette, mavic hubs & avid juicey brakes.

The Sram rear mech shifts better under power than I remember the XTR did, but then again, I'm comparing a 15 yr old XTR to a year old X0, so it's not entirely a fair comparison.

I still prefer the Shimano style shifters, but see the practicality of Srams being thumb operated only. Perhaps I'll prefer the Srams after getting used to them. Time will tell.

[weeds]

STX RC fitted to the mountain bike
TIAGRA fitted to the road bike

i voted shimano only because it is fitted to both my bikes, actually didn't have a clue what gear sets i was running till today:angel:

[jazzaD1]

shimano on this beast, not that i use the gears much at all
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2009/11/408.jpg

65cc of raw, unadulterated 2 stroke power haha
i used it to get to work when i lost my licence for a month
used to hit about 42km/h on the flat, had it up to 65 downhill (not recommended) got the death wobbles a bit at that speed

it hasn't been used in a few months, so im thinking of cleaning it up, welding on a small expansion chamber, and using it to taxi me to and from the pub

[big guy]

The saying goes---
Shimano wears out and Campagnola wears in.

Shimano is more of a smooth shifter where campaq is a tad clunky but very reliable and accurate.
Campag is more used in road bikes rather mtb's.
I just had a new shimano electric shift for 2 weeks worth of riding and must say, its silk and super accurate as no cables to stretch.
Its 11 speed also and battery pack holds good charge.
Price is around the $5k mark so its a bit steep and also slightly heavy.

I prefer Campag on my current roadie (Orbea).
I feel the way it shifts is ultra precise and can shift with confidence even when out of seat and up steepest inclines.

I guess people are either one or the other, bit like Landies really.

Good set up with campag and say full carbon frame etc will be at least 5-6 grand but I think its worth it.
My bike comes in at 7.4kg with pedals.

[Scallops]

groupsets are exactly that - sets, not components like cranks, chainrings, brakes etc... if this was a list of component makers, geez there are hundreds!

Forgive me if I'm wrong, but isn't XT one step below XTR on the shimano MTB groupset list?

Groupsets do include cranks, chainrings and brakes. :)

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ (http://img514.imageshack.us/i/shimano7800duraacegroup.jpg/)

And XT is one below XTR, yes. :)

[3 Sisters]

Rohloff 40'000kms with 25 ml of oil changes once a year or 5000kms, pfft, shimanno, sram, campy, get with it.
And you can change multiple gears when pedalling, backpedaling, or not pedalling at all.

[Hay Ewe]

50/50 Shimano XT shifters and front and rear derailers but SRAM chain and rear cluster. FSA crank and Avid Juicy5 brakes (which are SRAM)

over the christmas period I am intending to change to SRAM XO grip shifters and because of the 1:1 actuation I need to get a SRAM rear derailer so goign to get an XO

I want to try grip shifters hence going to SRAM, a few people I have ridden with always seem to be trying the differnt stuff one week to the next, me, I jsut the damn thing and if its nto fast and hard enoguth, it must be me geting tired!

Orbea 2007 Zenit - fast as bro!

Hay Ewe

[Scallops]

Rohloff 40'000kms with 25 ml of oil changes once a year or 5000kms, pfft, shimanno, sram, campy, get with it.
And you can change multiple gears when pedalling, backpedaling, or not pedalling at all.

Now ya talkin' ! :) Good stuff - using it on a recumbent or a regular bike? :angel:

[isuzurover]

Groupsets do include cranks, chainrings and brakes. :)

http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/3812/shimano7800duraacegroup.jpg (http://img514.imageshack.us/i/shimano7800duraacegroup.jpg/)

And XT is one below XTR, yes. :)

What Scallops said. No reason you cannot mix and match a group"set"

XT are one step below XTR (or maybe were as there is now Saint as well). However I found that many XTR bits are a bit too light, and only suited for XC racing. There was a guy who used to come riding with us doing very technical stuff. He had a race bike with a full XTR groupset - even magnesium spokes. He would break or bend at least one expensive component each ride.

[Scallops]

What Scallops said. No reason you cannot mix and match a group"set"

XT are one step below XTR (or maybe were as there is now Saint as well). However I found that many XTR bits are a bit too light, and only suited for XC racing. There was a guy who used to come riding with us doing very technical stuff. He had a race bike with a full XTR groupset - even magnesium spokes. He would break or bend at least one expensive component each ride.

Agreed - I reckon the sweet spot with MTB stuff, in terms of reliability, quality and cost - is LX. ;)

[3 Sisters]

Now ya talkin' ! :) Good stuff - using it on a recumbent or a regular bike? :angel:Last one I had was in my Carbon DH bike, with the Rohloff centrally mounted above the BB(inboard frame)to keep the weight low and central, that bike was so far ahead of the others in design it's not funny, shame the designer was so smart he was nuts:(
I have a crappy MTB/Road bike with a Strumy 8 speed rear geared hub, but it's not the Sturmy of old, just a lesser quality.
I have a new Rohloff in the shed, not sure if I'll just sell it as I've not got around to using for over a year now. Sorta thing that doesn't age though.


over the christmas period I am intending to change to SRAM XO grip shifters and because of the 1:1 actuation I need to get a SRAM rear derailer so goign to get an XOI'd advise trying grip shift first if possible. It's good on a gearbox because you can shift lots of gears, but not that great/worthwhile on other bikes(I've found). If you do get it, my advice is to run nearly a full length grip, so your hand only just touches the shifter. I may have some old grip shifters in the shed, you can have em if I do, just pay postage, if they're expensive ones a bit of cash wouldn't hurt;), how many gears do you run? Why XO? I find shifters are the least worthy place to spend the coin on XO XTR as the performance/weight gain is negligable compared to other components, but if everything else is bling, then cut loose.
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What Scallops said. No reason you cannot mix and match a group"set"For sure, no group set would have the best of every component for whatever reason you're buying, be it cost, durability, weight, or performance.
magnesium spokes.Magnesium spokes? You sure? Not Titanium or Aluminum?

[Sith]

i run DURA ACE , i find it a better set up in the hoods for my hands as I am a sprinter

[Scallops]

i run DURA ACE , i find it a better set up in the hoods for my hands as I am a sprinter

Yes - the hoods fit my hands better too - this is really the crux of the issue - I've had Chorus, Record and DA - DA just works better for me (and I'm a pursuiter) in terms of fit - do you find you can "hang on" better with DA shifters, Sith?

[isuzurover]

Magnesium spokes? You sure? Not Titanium or Aluminum?

Actually, I think you are correct. I think they were Zircal spokes, which are an aluminium alloy, not a magnesium alloy.

Either way, only suited to race bikes and weight weenies, not technical XC or FR.

[Rayngie]

XT/XTR on my DH bike with Juicy 7 back, Hayes 9 front brakes ( I'm a front breaker and the Hayes pull up on a dime ), SRAM X9/ XO on my XC with Juicy 5 front and back.

Ray,

[isuzurover]

XT/XTR on my DH bike with Juicy 7 back, Hayes 9 front brakes ( I'm a front breaker and the Hayes pull up on a dime ), SRAM X9/ XO on my XC with Juicy 5 front and back.

Ray,

I have Hayes Mag F+R. They are very nice...

I would love a rohloff hub one day...

[3 Sisters]

On my trail/XC/everything bike I run X0 rear, chainguide 36t front ring, single speed rear hub with custom(buchered 8speed)6 speed cassette, and Avid Elixer brakes. If you like your Hayes, never try anything else;)

[isuzurover]

If you like your Hayes, never try anything else;)

I have tried Avid, Magura, Shimano and Hope (not all the models of each of course). I prefer the Hayes.

[3 Sisters]

I have tried Avid, Magura, Shimano and Hope (not all the models of each of course). I prefer the Hayes.

Why? What model are they?
I do a lot of technical riding and DH, and I found the Hayes don't provide enough feel for either applications. They are good, but my Avid Elixers are far superior, or my Elixir lever Code Caliper on my old Dh sled. You can feel the front tyres traction through the lever. Hayes are very on/off. My old Shimannos were also good. Avid are not very consistent though. I'd like to try the new Shimano 4pot brakes, but don't think I'd like their new lever pivot position.
But if you're happy with the Hayes, stick with them, they're better than most people make out, and they're by far the most reliable(the Mags where anyway).

[Sith]

Yes - the hoods fit my hands better too - this is really the crux of the issue - I've had Chorus, Record and DA - DA just works better for me (and I'm a pursuiter) in terms of fit - do you find you can "hang on" better with DA shifters, Sith?

Yeah mate for sure , esp when attacking on a hill .. not that I am goat by anymeans but if i am able to get on a wheel during a breakaway and you have that split second to decide if its on or they are just testing the water , a change in hand positions to the hood is ideal fit for me

[gone bush]

Have DA at the moment as it came on the bike and it works well but I much prefer campag (used it when I was riding professionally). On the mtb I have xt as it also came on the bike and it works well but am very keen to try out sram XO

[Sith]

Have DA at the moment as it came on the bike and it works well but I much prefer campag (used it when I was riding professionally). On the mtb I have xt as it also came on the bike and it works well but am very keen to try out sram XO


I ran Scram for 12months ... never again .. the min you power down it goes sideways and starts shifting down , happens around the 450kw and upwards
80% of the guys over here wont run it because of it in our club

[Benny_IIA]

I ran Scram for 12months ... never again .. the min you power down it goes sideways and starts shifting down , happens around the 450kw and upwards
80% of the guys over here wont run it because of it in our club


You must be strong:p

[samuelclarke]

I run SRAM on my bike (Giant AC MTB B) ) and love em! This is riding XC and some freeride/light DH. Previous bike was a hardtail with Shimano XT/Deore running gear...it was OK, but I get a lot less chain slap with SRAM compared to Shimano.

Really though I think it's six of one and half a dozen of the other between SRAM/Shimano with IMO a slight advantage to SRAM - this is for MTB, don't have any experience riding road.

[Sith]

You must be strong:p
not really , grab a power meter and have a look at your own ... you maybe suprised .

when leadin up to race season i try and hit my threshold at around 615

[Benny_IIA]

not really , grab a power meter and have a look at your own ... you maybe suprised .

when leadin up to race season i try and hit my threshold at around 615


I was only joking.

615kw atw:angel:.....

[matpoli]

I have a Giant CRX one flat bar road bike and I ride a combined 32km to and from work every weekday. I have a tiagra crank set and chain. Shimano wheels are thrown on most bikes to keep the cost down but they are rubbish so I ditched those for some Mavic Aksiums.

Also I had a Sram rear cluster but the 12 tooth **** it's self and just broke right off so i'd be careful if you chose the same cluster.

[sich nich]

Jeez Ive only just discovered this 'pedal powered' forum on aulro, I never knew there where so many mountain bikers on here. Downhillers even.
I spose it makes sense, Landrovers are the downhill bikes of cars :D

I run Sram on my DH bike and 4X bike, Shimano on my XC bike, with Sram rocket shifters.
I like Sram for the 1:1 cable ratio over Shimano's 2:1, I like Sram mechs more, and Avid brakes. But Shimano Saint cranks are the go.

[Hay Ewe]

I ordered up new stuff for my race bike yesterday,
changing the XT shifters for SRAM XO grip shifters
XT rear mech for SRAM X9
I picked up a new SRAM X-gen front mech for $40 a while back
already run sram cluster and chain so new ones of those
new crank rings

and then a few things like new tires (hutchineson pythons)
mavic tubeless wheel valves

I am going up from a 44t chain ring to a 46 chain ring, for that bit of extra on the finishing straight :D

bit of an overhaul happening. This will be going on to my Orbea Zenit cross county racer (maybe I kid myself that I am aracer but usually faster than the others I ride with - even those on road bikes)

Hay Ewe

[rick130]

A mix of Dura Ace and Ultegra on the roadie, XT groupset on the MTB :p

The roadie has a mix of DT Swiss hubs/spokes/Mavic rims, Thomson seat post, Hope stem and Tru Vativ (SRAM) bars all on a Hand made in the USA frame.

King hubs/Mavic rims/Sapim spokes, Easton bars and seat post, Extralite stem and Marzocchi fork rolling on an efficient XC Taiwanese frame.

A nice, eclectic mix for a Land Rover/Nissan Patrol household. :D

[sich nich]

Shimano.

Have full XT inc wheels, on my current bike. Have never had any issues. Tried sram on a couple of bikes but never fell in love. Rode a mates bike with sram once and snapped his X0 rear derailleur when a stick got caught it it., cost me a packet to replace the carbon cage. Had sticks go into shimano derailleurs and only ever broke the hanger on the bike.



King hubs/Mavic rims/Sapim spokes, Easton bars and seat post, Extralite stem and Marzocchi fork rolling on an efficient XC Taiwanese frame.

A nice, eclectic mix for a Land Rover/Nissan Patrol household. :D

Awesome, had no idea there where other mountain bikers that drive Land Rovers, and even based so close to me in the Hunter.

Seriously, lets go riding. Soon.:cool: