The 90 is coming back!

[TimNZ]

Just got a call from the dealer I brought my 110 off, apparently the 90 is going to be available in Oz from about March next year! (In the hard top variant).

Hoo-rar I want one!! :D

Cheers,

Tim

[isuzubob]

At the Melbourne Motor Show back in March 2007 when the Puma Defender made its Aust public debut an infomation board said the D90 would be available "to special order", so it seems it may have been in their plans to get it out here. Let's hope the price is realistic.

Rob W

[TimNZ]

I was told it's going to be around $45k plus on road costs.

[El Duderino]

I was told it's going to be around $45k plus on road costs.

Great to hear the 90's coming back!!! The price on the other-hand is a bit hard to swallow tbh...I bought my TJ Wrangler new for $30k which is a fairly comparative vehicle n been issue free, but the 90 has more rear space. Bit hard to justify the extra $15k, that'll buy a lot of accessories imo. If they get cheaper in a 3-4 years I'd consider one.

[buddha D2]

Just got a call from the dealer I brought my 110 off, apparently the 90 is going to be available in Oz from about March next year! (In the hard top variant).

Hoo-rar I want one!! :D

Cheers,

Tim

Much as I love my D2, I could be very tempted by this news..... :twisted:

[dullbird]

Great to hear the 90's coming back!!! The price on the other-hand is a bit hard to swallow tbh...
I bought my TJ Wrangler new for $30k which is a fairly comparative vehicle n been issue free, but the 90 has more rear space. Bit hard to justify the extra $15k, that'll buy a lot of accessories imo. If they get cheaper in a 3-4 years I'd consider one.

90's are still fetching this money second hand for a 6 year old car.....they hold there money well.

[Grockle]

how have they got over the weight issue re no airbags?

[dullbird]

perhaps they are selling it fully kitted out


(we wish)

[p38arover]

Why would anyone buy a 90? (Yes, I have driven one.)

[dullbird]

Why would anyone buy a 90? (Yes, I have driven one.)




Some people dont like big cars
might be the only person that owns it and you never take passengers
they are brilliant off road in a lot of situations other cars cant get through
they look cool.
not everyone has one
much easier to get into your garage and still fit stuff around it:D
fit in smaller parking spaces
has a better ramp over
has a better departure angle
less to wash if your anal enough to wash it.

is that enough reasons for you Ron???:D

[dmdigital]

If they drop it closer to $40,000 I reckon it would sell well.

[Disco44]

When I enquired from LRA as to why the ninety disappeared i was told that no one bought them and they were withdrawn.True or false all gents ( or ladies )) in the know.
John ( disco44 )

[p38arover]

is that enough reasons for you Ron???:D

Nope!

A Rangie Classic or a D1 is superior in almost every respect.

For a start you can hear the radio whilst driving, the air con works (and you have somewhere for the passenger's feet), you stay dry in the rain, you can't see the roadway through the gaps in the door seals, etc......

[LandyAndy]

Ron I would love one.
My first landy was a 2a88" with a 186.
I reckon a modern one would be just as much fun and a whole lot more comfortable to steer:cool::cool::cool::cool:
Andrew

[DFNDR90]

Why would anyone buy a 90? (Yes, I have driven one.)

You've driven a Puma 90? Please tell!

[V8Ian]

Some people dont like big cars
might be the only person that owns it and you never take passengers
they are brilliant off road in a lot of situations other cars cant get through
they look cool.
not everyone has one
much easier to get into your garage and still fit stuff around it:D
fit in smaller parking spaces
has a better ramp over
has a better departure angle
less to wash if your anal enough to wash it.
is that enough reasons for you Ron???:D
:D:D:DYou left one out Lou

They lack the class to own a Rangie
:p:p

[Grockle]

the 90 is much better so there ;) well I think so

[lardy]

[QUOTE=dullbird;1118231][LIST]
Some people dont like big cars
might be the only person that owns it and you never take passengers
they are brilliant off road in a lot of situations other cars cant get through
they look cool.
not everyone has one
you lost me after this part i own a 130 !!!!!!!!
and this is enough reasons to own that ...:p

[El Duderino]

90's are still fetching this money second hand for a 6 year old car.....they hold there money well.

True, I but cannot justify the extra $15k like I mentioned, nor would I spend that. Loyalty has a point before I look elsewhere...Disco's used to be around $40k when 1st released, n no way in haides would I spend their current asking price. Commonsense has to win at some point over stubborness yeah. :wasntme:

[El Duderino]

Some people dont like big cars
might be the only person that owns it and you never take passengers
they are brilliant off road in a lot of situations other cars cant get through
they look cool.
not everyone has one
much easier to get into your garage and still fit stuff around it:D
fit in smaller parking spaces
has a better ramp over
has a better departure angle
less to wash if your anal enough to wash it.

is that enough reasons for you Ron???:D

Sounds exactly what I did for $15k less with the TJ, plus have the joy of being able to remove the hard-top and enjoy sunshine. Sure the design means less rear storage, but it's a good trade-off imo. I would have bought a 90 at the time, but they weren't selling them here, n at those prices wouldn't have happened on principle tbh. :wasntme:

[87County]

Nope!

A Rangie Classic or a D1 is superior in almost every respect.

For a start you can hear the radio whilst driving, the air con works (and you have somewhere for the passenger's feet), you stay dry in the rain, you can't see the roadway through the gaps in the door seals, etc......


It has been said that the 100 inch luxury variants from the 90s are the "thinkin' man's" SWB....

I guess in terms of "value for money" (in present day dollar terms) these used vehicles would seem to offer much when compared to a new 90 .......

[p38arover]

You've driven a Puma 90? Please tell!

Did I mention Puma?

[Psimpson7]

Nope!

A Rangie Classic or a D1 is superior in almost every respect.

you can't see the roadway through the gaps in the door seals, etc......
In a Rangie or D1 you can get to see the road through the big rust holes in the footwells;)

We could probably be put on the list for one if they do come back, although I am not a huge fan of some of the current reliability issues with them.

As for the TJ comparison, or indeed Wranglers in general, I dont mind them actually, but they are in no way a useful 4wd... lets start with the tow capacity....

[buddha D2]

Thankfully, in this country, we still have a personal choice of the car we drive.....whether it is a Landy (which ever model) an american thing or a japanese one, just get out and use them for what they were designed.

It may be a difficult choice, for me anyway, whether I may look at a 90 or the thing I have for the 110 crewcab currently available..........it is so cool now the kids are all big and I doin't need a family car.:angel:

[juddy]

They always were bringing the Puma 90 in just had to sort out some issues with weight, as explained to me by Phil Popham.

But they should bring in the soft top one looks alot better than the Hard top..

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2009/11/455.jpg

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2009/11/456.jpg

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2009/11/457.jpg

[DFNDR90]

Did I mention Puma?

If your not talking about a Puma, which model 90 have you driven/based your comments? The thread is about a 2010 (11?) 90, isnt it?

[Dmmos]

Is there any indication (sorry to be a pain) of how likely this is? I'd definitely be very interested - despite the price tag...

[spudboy]

90's are as cute as ...:p

Much easier to drive in the city, you don't need 1.5 x the normal city carpark length to actually get in (unlike a 110 or especially a 130).

I use mine whenever it's just me (or me and my dog) and I don't need to cart much around. They go a bit faster than a 110, because they are lighter and they are quite chuckable in the corners with a decent set of tyres on.

Ron has a few good points about the noise etc but the TD5 90 aircon is not that bad.

[TimNZ]

Is there any indication (sorry to be a pain) of how likely this is? I'd definitely be very interested - despite the price tag...

The dealer has told me it is definatly happening, he's going to send me some Oz brochures through soon.

[El Duderino]

As for the TJ comparison, or indeed Wranglers in general, I dont mind them actually, but they are in no way a useful 4wd... lets start with the tow capacity....

They're a bloody good vehicle tbh, great value for money, n haven't had a single issue in 3.5yrs. They're heaps of fun, stomping engine, extremely capable offroad even in stock form, comfortable (well the last ones anyway) and can do a lot of things very well. The rear interior space is rather limited so you have to pack carefully, and the towing capacity sucks, but being single n not having a trailer, this doesn't worry me. I'd happily go a soft-top 90, but cringe at what that would cost. :(

[Landy Smurf]

they need to be under $40k if they r to sell many

[Psimpson7]

That would be great but cant see it happening!!

[p38arover]

If your not talking about a Puma, which model 90 have you driven/based your comments? The thread is about a 2010 (11?) 90, isnt it?

Does it matter? It's still a 90 with all the same disadvantages.

I've driven the Td5, admittedly only on the blacktop (Putty Rd) and only doing a delivery from the dealer in Dungog to the customer in Penrith.

[juddy]

I think the following

Defender 90 Wagon $44,990 plus on the road costs

Options

Sun Hatch $200
Dual Finish Alloys $750
MTR Tyres $400

Sales to start March 2010

Rear seats same as 3rd row of 110SW

[dobbo]

I think the following

Defender 90 Wagon $44,990 plus on the road costs

Options

Sun Hatch $200
Dual Finish Alloys $750
MTR Tyres $400

Sales to start March 2010

Rear seats same as 3rd row of 110SW


you forgot the horse float to take the pony to the easter show and full length mirror for self pleasure and promotion (or are they standard issue)

[juddy]

you forgot the horse float to take the pony to the easter show and full length mirror for self pleasure and promotion (or are they standard issue)


I think the mirror is standard, but the horse float is a option $400000

[TimNZ]

Does it matter? It's still a 90 with all the same disadvantages.

I've driven the Td5, admittedly only on the blacktop (Putty Rd) and only doing a delivery from the dealer in Dungog to the customer in Penrith.

Yes, there have been quite a few changes since the TD5 models, ie air con that makes more than your knees cold.

[p38arover]

Yes, there have been quite a few changes since the TD5 models, ie air con that makes more than your knees cold.

Pffft!

The air con in my 110 County used to cool the car in winter and heat it in summer!

[dmdigital]

Aircon in a 90 Puma would be very efficient over the 110 which is very good anyway.

I'd love the SWB for bush driving up here but it wouldn't be enjoyable on the long haul out to Katherine, LWB of the 110 is much nicer than the Disco's were, 90 would only be worse again.

[V8Ian]

Pffft!

The air con in my 110 County used to cool the car in winter and heat it in summer!
Obviously Pommie specs, warm up Christmas time.....cool mid year. The thermostat needed rotating 180* for our conditions.:p

[Grockle]

Obviously Pommie specs, warm up Christmas time.....cool mid year. The thermostat needed rotating 180* for our conditions.:p

the heater/air con system in the Puma is fine for the UK but I think the aircon will struggle in Aus like the 110,but better than the previous knee chiller system

[dullbird]

Did I mention Puma?

no you didn't Ron but you were carrying on about not being able to hear the radio due to noise so there for you are ill informed;)...as the Pumas are very quiet, the poster is talking about puma 90's thats why the guy was asking if you had driven one as we all know you haven't:lol2:

you think the classics are superior because thats what floats your boat..however there is no way a puma would be less superior to a classic rangie or D1 in my honest opinion but thats because I like defenders....

my D1 is a comfy ride.....but the biggest down side is its not a defender;)

[p38arover]

no you didn't Ron but you were carrying on about not being able to hear the radio due to noise so there for you are ill informed;)...as the Pumas are very quiet,

Carrying on? I mentioned it once.

[V8Ian]

Air con in a defender,what is the world coming to?;)Be having heated seat squabs next,and optional curtains.:angel:
Pneumatic tyres and electrical lighting.:o:p
C'mon let's compare oranges with oranges, remembering some like apples and others a nice pear.
Now work out which piece of fruit relates to what model?;)

[BigJon]

and others a nice pair.


I like a nice pair :D:p:cool:.

Don't mind pears either...

[V8Ian]

:2up:;):D
I like a nice pair :D:p:cool:.

Don't mind pears either...

[JohnR]

Hey Ron,

Didn't your mum tell you that if you had nothing nice to say then don't say anything at all? :p

If it wasn't for these nibble little buggers you wouldn't even have a Rangie or a Disco. They are the heart and soul of LR and the rightful incarnation of the Serries I.

People like different cars for different reasons. Is it not fair that someone can state their excitement and desire for one of these without being shot down and told they are wrong? Which LR deity died and put you in charge? :angel:#

If I didn't have 3 little kiddies I'd be there in a flash although I think I would prefer the soft top version :D Is there any reason you can't unbolt the roof from the hard top version? (Is the windscreen welded???)

Cheers,

[dmdigital]

the heater/air con system in the Puma is fine for the UK but I think the aircon will struggle in Aus like the 110,but better than the previous knee chiller system
Drive the Puma all the time in temperatures over 30C and have driven in temperatures over 46C and the A/C is very good. Been in snow and sub-zero all day down as low as about -10C and they heater is very good (it also warms the hand brake as an added heat sink).

[Grockle]

Drive the Puma all the time in temperatures over 30C and have driven in temperatures over 46C and the A/C is very good. Been in snow and sub-zero all day down as low as about -10C and they heater is very good (it also warms the hand brake as an added heat sink).

thats good then Derek,you settled back into work after your trip?

[dobbo]

no you didn't Ron but you were carrying on about not being able to hear the radio due to noise so there for you are ill informed;)...as the Pumas are very quiet, the poster is talking about puma 90's thats why the guy was asking if you had driven one as we all know you haven't:lol2:

you think the classics are superior because thats what floats your boat..however there is no way a puma would be less superior to a classic rangie or D1 in my honest opinion but thats because I like defenders....

my D1 is a comfy ride.....but the biggest down side is its not a defender;)



You sound like you need a comfy ride after that tanty, Ron's just cranky cause he sold his County. Perhaps he needs his "D1" serviced so he can ride comfy.

[V8Ian]

I think you're being a bit harsh toward Ron, he's only voiced his preference to doing it with a bit of comfort (and style:p). Ron is not an extreme off roader, so why have an extreme off road capable vehicle, at the expense of comfort. How many of us on here have taken any vehicle to a location, in the past year, that a RR or Disco was not capable of traversing, barring recreational challenges. DB and MM completed a trip this year and I'll bet London to a brick, everywhere they took the Defender a 100" could have gone. DB/MM have a Defender because that's what they want, Ron has a RR because that's what he wants, no one has to justify their choice except to themselves. Heavens some folk have Toyotas, odd taste, but entirely up to them.
Ron, wouldn't it have been easier if you'd made a small spelling error?:D Err maybe not.:p

[dullbird]

Carrying on? I mentioned it once.

figure of speech Ron don't be so sensitive:D

[dullbird]

Y
ou sound like you need a comfy ride after that tanty, Ron's just cranky cause he sold his County. Perhaps he needs his "D1" serviced so he can ride comfy.

No tanty here...I dont know how you came to that conclusion?;)

V8Ian: I'm not sure if you were talking to be about being harsh..??

but in case you were I did say that's what floats Ron's boat same as defenders Float mine.
I was merely giving my own opinion and pointing out the fact he made a claim about something that was incorrect.:)



You dont have to be an extreme off roader to enjoy a defender, our defender has not done extreme off road its a tourer and a commute car:) and I prefer to drive that to work than my discovery it might only be a mesley 150k a day but its enough to be choosey about a car, in saying thaty if I had a D3 I wouldn't look twice at driving the defender it would be no competition. but as it goes the D1 and classic rangie is no comparison when it comes to speed and in my personal case comfort!

BUT its like all things horses for courses

[V8Ian]

BUT its like all things horses for courses
And personal preferences.
I'm still sweating on the day Ron makes a spelling mistake though.;)

[dmdigital]

Ron, the Puma even has "climate control" according to the owner's handbook. That makes it almost like a P38:p



thats good then Derek,you settled back into work after your trip?
No, need another holiday... I think they are adictive;)

[dmdigital]

I'm still sweating on the day Ron makes a spelling mistake though.;)
Neva gunna hap'n;)

[PAT303]

I'm with dullbird,I spent a month in the L322 and it was nice but I'm strange so couldn't wait to get my deefer back.I'm still seriously looking at a new one next year as the old girl's getting on and if the 90's are 45K I can't see them selling,I would look at them but a duel cab it better value.I think we should be happy to have the choice but everyday vehicles are getting out of hand price wise,the VX Prado's are $109,000,a hundred grand for a Playdo?????. Pat

[p38arover]

Ron's just cranky cause he sold his County. Perhaps he needs his "D1" serviced so he can ride comfy.

I couldn't justify keeping the County. I liked it but it was always going to be second to the RR as it was a most impractical vehicle anywhere except off-road. It didn't even have a useful loadspace.

The D1 was sold over a year ago.

[p38arover]

Ron, the Puma even has "climate control" according to the owner's handbook. That makes it almost like a P38:p

Oh dear. And to think I thought LR had finally made a reliable Defender! :D

A 90 would be a good toy - a bit like owning a sports car, not useful but fun.

[Reads90]

mmm 90's


Well they are small and have no room for anything in the back, so pretty useless for moving stuff . You have to pretty much consider them as a 2 seater car
If you have someone sitting in the back then they are treading on your stuff you have in the back like winter coat or umberlla.

They are also too Short and on ruff terain or ruff roads and some streets buck like a donkey . Even more so on corrigastions. Makes them alot more uncomfortable than the 110



But great fun cars to drive and very posy . Nippy and make the Disco and 110 seem slow old buses. But also show up the other land rover ranges off road as they are pretty much unstopable out of the box

But i have 6 90's so i may be baisis and Yeah i have driven all combinations of the 90 too and would still buy a puma 90

[PAT303]

I couldn't justify keeping the County. I liked it but it was always going to be second to the RR as it was a most impractical vehicle anywhere except off-road. It didn't even have a useful loadspace.

The D1 was sold over a year ago.

The 110 didn't have useable loadspace?. Pat

[p38arover]

The 110 didn't have useable loadspace?. Pat

Nope. The rear door is too narrow compared with a D1. A D1 will take a pallet in the back door.

The 110 wheel arches occupy so much space the width between them isn't that great.

[dmdigital]

About the only downside to the cavernous space they do have is the back door.

Am I right in assuming the rear load area of a 90 and a 110 are the same size.

I wonder, have they ever made a factory built 130 wagon?

[buddha D2]

Am I right in assuming the rear load area of a 90 and a 110 are the same size.

That would have been my thought, without checking the Pommy website for specs. If you are single, a couple, and/or have got rid of the little "treasures", I can't see them being a bad bit of gear. Yes SWB vehicles are a little choppy in the ride but they have coils and you can play with spring rates a bit. Got to be better than a SWB Tojo of years gone by.

[Grockle]

I wonder, have they ever made a factory built 130 wagon?

no Derek

[dullbird]

Nope. The rear door is too narrow compared with a D1.
A D1 will take a pallet in the back door.

The 110 wheel arches occupy so much space the width between them isn't that great.


hahahahah I can't even get my three dogs in the back of the disco its space is so bloody small with the cargo barrier...my disco is even more impractical then my 90:D.

[Zute]

I kind of like the two door 110. Either wagon or Ute. You could always do a Lara Croft Jobby if you want the pose factor.
I think the main thing to think about with these fourbies, is at least they have proper tyre sizes for off roading.
When the Green pollies get their way, a Disco on 55 profile tyres is not something I'd be happy with out bush.

[87County]

I kind of like the two door 110. Either wagon or Ute. You could always do a Lara Croft Jobby if you want the pose factor.
I think the main thing to think about with these fourbies, is at least they have proper tyre sizes for off roading.
When the Green pollies get their way, a Disco on 55 profile tyres is not something I'd be happy with out bush.

When the Green pollies get their way, you won't be allowed out bush.:o

[p38arover]

hahahahah I can't even get my three dogs in the back of the disco its space is so bloody small with the cargo barrier...my disco is even more impractical then my 90:D.

Take the rear seats out of a D1 and you have more useful space than a 90 and access doors as well! :D

[dullbird]

then were would I put my cargo barrier and my passengers:D

[BigJon]

Cargo barrier would be moved to just behind front seats.

Passengers, who needs them? :p

[dmdigital]

then were would I put my cargo barrier and my passengers:D

Roof Rack:angel:

[dobbo]

IMHO a 90 is a posers **** mobile, (same as a P38 or a D3). They're more at home on a Britney Speers video that a bush track. Yes they look good, yes they would be relatively quick (compared to a snail, other model Land Rover Defender's or a tortoise)

They're tippy, useless at carrying anything more than a handbag/manbag and the drivers and 1 passengers ego's.

Admittedly there are a few places that a SWB model will get that a LWB won't without a bit of a wiggle about, but 90% of the time it is the opposite scenerio.

They're useless for touring without a trailer, useless as the utility vehicle they are supposed to be(more like a bagged and subwoofered hilux you see 19yr old boys driving), dedicated offroader?????? How many get used for that compared to 110's?

Worth the money, hell no. Give me a 2K Rocky instead. At least you won't kill one of them.

I know of a local track up this way that a 110 or even a 100 inch vehicle struggles on, someone bring up a Defender 90 and prove me wrong, we could time the time spent negotiating obstacles with points taken for rubbing and hits. Word of warning, your panels will get polished by the odd tree and rock. Any takers?

[Psimpson7]

You're right of course Dobbo, My 90 is crap off-road... I cant remember ever doing any touring trips in it either.

Look at the competition off road scene in Europe.. how many people use 90's - loads... then how many use 110's! basically none

[dullbird]

I
MHO a 90 is a posers **** mobile, (same as a P38 or a D3). They're more at home on a Britney Speers video that a bush track. Yes they look good, yes they would be relatively quick (compared to a snail, other model Land Rover Defender's or a tortoise)

They're tippy, useless at carrying anything more than a handbag/manbag and the drivers and 1 passengers ego's.

Admittedly there are a few places that a SWB model will get that a LWB won't without a bit of a wiggle about, but 90% of the time it is the opposite scenerio.

They're useless for touring without a trailer, useless as the utility vehicle they are supposed to be(more like a bagged and subwoofered hilux you see 19yr old boys driving), dedicated offroader?????? How many get used for that compared to 110's?

Worth the money, hell no. Give me a 2K Rocky instead. At least you won't kill one of them.

I know of a local track up this way that a 110 or even a 100 inch vehicle struggles on, someone bring up a Defender 90 and prove me wrong, we could time the time spent negotiating obstacles with points taken for rubbing and hits. Word of warning, your panels will get polished by the odd tree and rock. Any takers?

Personally dobbo I think you need to watch your tongue....
yes your entitled to your opinion and you have brought up very valid points but no need what so ever to allude to the fact that anyone that owns one is a ******. Or at least that's how I read it.

its a persons personal preference..... one you need not burn callories worrying about

[samuelclarke]

Funny, coming back from a surf at the Sunshine Beach this morning (surf was good btw :p ), my dad and I were talking about dream cars - a current Range Rover had parked near us sparking the conversation...for me it was a 110 setup for expedition and serious off-road use...basically my current project Defender in a year or two. :D And then a soft-top 90 as a daily driver...that for me would be perfect! Hopefully before I'm 30 - so I've got 6+ years! :twisted: :angel:

So yeah, this is exciting news...but also agree that to compete in the SWB 4x4 market the price would be better under $40,000....

[dobbo]

Here we go time to don the asbestos gimp suit, again.


You're right of course Dobbo, My 90 is crap off-road... I cant remember ever doing any touring trips in it either.

Look at the competition off road scene in Europe.. how many people use 90's - loads... then how many use 110's! basically none


How many are used in the Australian comp off road scene? Also I see a lot of V8 supercars, F1 cars and drag cars on the motorsport channels, don't see any driving the streets though. It's being sold as a road car not a comp vehicle or an ATV.


Personally dobbo I think you need to watch your tongue....
yes your entitled to your opinion and you have brought up very valid points but no need what so ever to allude to the fact that anyone that owns one is a ******. Or at least that's how I read it.






I'm not saying all folk that drive them use their own hand to perform pleasure on their own persons, does everyone who owns a Ferrari deal drugs or ride a Harley a outlaw biker, no they are not. However the persona is associated with such vehicles. But you have convinced me that I want a wankmobile. It should easily fit all 5 of us in plus the ratdog. I could sell the D2 and the County and use it for everything. I can see us now, as a family going to a horse event with a loaded float on the back. (legally I'm not sure). Then of course I can use it to buy whitegoods, like I do the 110, thus saving on delivery. I hope your right and they are truly indestructible, cause I can't fit the tools in anywhere.

I could do this in a 130, 110 or a 100 inch Landy, but not a 90.

[mns488]

I'm not saying all folk that drive them use their own hand to perform pleasure on their own persons, does everyone who owns a Ferrari deal drugs or ride a Harley a outlaw biker, no they are not. However the persona is associated with such vehicles. But you have convinced me that I want a wankmobile. It should easily fit all 5 of us in plus the ratdog. I could sell the D2 and the County and use it for everything. I can see us now, as a family going to a horse event with a loaded float on the back. (legally I'm not sure). Then of course I can use it to buy whitegoods, like I do the 110, thus saving on delivery. I hope your right and they are truly indestructible, cause I can't fit the tools in anywhere.

I could do this in a 130, 110 or a 100 inch Landy, but not a 90.

Thats the point, everyone is different. I don't plan to have 5 +dog anytime soon and live in the city. I like small 4wds to get around town and then take up to the vic high country every chance i get. For me it ticks alot of the boxes. So I will certainly have a look when they come out here.

Whitegoods? You never heard of negotiating free delivery....

[dullbird]

Here we go time to don the asbestos gimp suit, again.




How many are used in the Australian comp off road scene? Also I see a lot of V8 supercars, F1 cars and drag cars on the motorsport channels, don't see any driving the streets though. It's being sold as a road car not a comp vehicle or an ATV.








I'm not saying all folk that drive them use their own hand to perform pleasure on their own persons, does everyone who owns a Ferrari deal drugs or ride a Harley a outlaw biker, no they are not. However the persona is associated with such vehicles. But you have convinced me that I want a wankmobile. It should easily fit all 5 of us in plus the ratdog. I could sell the D2 and the County and use it for everything. I can see us now, as a family going to a horse event with a loaded float on the back. (legally I'm not sure). Then of course I can use it to buy whitegoods, like I do the 110, thus saving on delivery. I hope your right and they are truly indestructible, cause I can't fit the tools in anywhere.

I could do this in a 130, 110 or a 100 inch Landy, but not a 90.

mmmmmm ok I can't say I have ever heard anyone call a 90 a **** mobile other than you....so this persona you talk about is this nationwide or something that you have just made up! personally I think its the latter as I only ever hear people on here say they would really like one although not practical for their life style, not that he looks like a ****** owning one and the only reason he bought it is to be a poser.

and where did I say they were indestructible??? or you making this up as well...a car is a car they all break they all have problems not matter what the brand or wheel base.

The fact of the matter is whether you try and justify it or not...do not chastise people for there choice of car, because people choose to buy 90's does not mean they are posers and ******* they may have a want or need for this type of car.

bloody judgemental people:wasntme:

[dmdigital]

Moving back on topic..

For some reason or other SWB 4WD's haven't been a big seller for the last couple of decades in Australia. We used to have SWL Landy, Pajero, Cruiser and Patrol. LR tried the 90 back in 2003 (?) and Pajero have brought back the 2 door as well, but they are not selling a lot of them.

SWB isn't the best for long distance touring and as mentioned they aren't that roomy for equipment and more than two people. Could be one reason.

The other, I suspect, is they keep bringing them to the Australian market at a stupid price and fully optioned. So in the case of the 90 people look at it and say "well for not much more I get a bigger car" and buy a 110. I remember the last time the 90 came in to the country it was priced $1,500 less than the 110.

In the UK though you have SWB Land Cruisers (Prado's to us), Patrols, Pajero's and the 90.

About the only SWB that seems to sell in Australia is the Jeep Wrangler and I think that's only because its (a) cheap and (b) promotes a certain image with the roof off.

[PAT303]

Yep from now on stop making all SWB model LR's because dobbo can't fit his family,dog and tools in them.I've had two SWB's so I must be twice the ******. Pat

[dmdigital]

Oh well:no2: so much for getting back on topic:(

[dullbird]

Moving back on topic..

For some reason or other SWB 4WD's haven't been a big seller for the last couple of decades in Australia. We used to have SWL Landy, Pajero, Cruiser and Patrol. LR tried the 90 back in 2003 (?) and Pajero have brought back the 2 door as well, but they are not selling a lot of them.

SWB isn't the best for long distance touring and as mentioned they aren't that roomy for equipment and more than two people. Could be one reason.

The other, I suspect, is they keep bringing them to the Australian market at a stupid price and fully optioned. So in the case of the 90 people look at it and say "well for not much more I get a bigger car" and buy a 110. I remember the last time the 90 came in to the country it was priced $1,500 less than the 110.


In the UK though you have SWB Land Cruisers (Prado's to us), Patrols, Pajero's and the 90.

About the only SWB that seems to sell in Australia is the Jeep Wrangler and I think that's only because its (a) cheap and (b) promotes a certain image with the roof off.


thnig to remember about the UK also derek is that the roads are alot more narrow....in the UK the D1 used to be considered a big car! now I think the D1 in oz is a tiny car.

I think the price that they put them out as is what kills them here. Funny thing is everyone wants a 90 until its time to buy.

I wanted a D3 to replace my disco now I'm thinking...mmmm might get a 90. we shall see

[dmdigital]

thnig to remember about the UK also derek is that the roads are alot more narrow....in the UK the D1 used to be considered a big car! now I think the D1 in oz is a tiny car.
Forgot that bit, good point!

[samuelclarke]

...The other, I suspect, is they keep bringing them to the Australian market at a stupid price and fully optioned. So in the case of the 90 people look at it and say "well for not much more I get a bigger car" and buy a 110. I remember the last time the 90 came in to the country it was priced $1,500 less than the 110...<snip>...About the only SWB that seems to sell in Australia is the Jeep Wrangler and I think that's only because its (a) cheap and (b) promotes a certain image with the roof off.

Exactly, that's the problem! I remember reading somewhere that Land Rover have said that the 90 actually costs them about the same as the 110 to make (from memory it was in LRO magazine)...the thing is people expect them to be significantly cheaper. Now, just think how well they'd sell if they were $34,990! :woot: :bangin: I think they'd have problems making enough! OK, back to reality! :wasntme:

[Psimpson7]

How many are used in the Australian comp off road scene?

.

Do you mean LR's in general? Almost none!! There are other countries in the world though!

Even the LR Website suggests that the 90 is far more suited to serious off road use than the 110

[xsi]

Having owned both a D90 and a Jeep Wrangler I think Im qualified to say a couple of things.
First of all they are both enthusiast vehicles and as such you dont really buy them because of their outstanding touring practicality.They are definitely a heart versus head purchase!

Both are great on technically challenging terrain - Dobbo's comments are both insulting and childish - I certainly didn't drive the 90 for any perceived **** value. I admittedly didn't push the envelope in the '90 (altho people who know me know it did get driven:)) because it belonged to my other half - which is why I ended up with a modded Wrangler as the weekend plaything.

Because they have a less than ideal wheelbase length you do learn to drive the tippy stuff with more respect - but with the right suspension mods you can get great wheel flex and better stability. I would have loved to have gone nuts with that lovely Equipe gear for the '90. Maybe next time:)

[TimNZ]

IMHO a 90 is a posers **** mobile, (same as a P38 or a D3). They're more at home on a Britney Speers video that a bush track. Yes they look good, yes they would be relatively quick (compared to a snail, other model Land Rover Defender's or a tortoise)

They're tippy, useless at carrying anything more than a handbag/manbag and the drivers and 1 passengers ego's.

Admittedly there are a few places that a SWB model will get that a LWB won't without a bit of a wiggle about, but 90% of the time it is the opposite scenerio.

They're useless for touring without a trailer, useless as the utility vehicle they are supposed to be(more like a bagged and subwoofered hilux you see 19yr old boys driving), dedicated offroader?????? How many get used for that compared to 110's?

Worth the money, hell no. Give me a 2K Rocky instead. At least you won't kill one of them.

I know of a local track up this way that a 110 or even a 100 inch vehicle struggles on, someone bring up a Defender 90 and prove me wrong, we could time the time spent negotiating obstacles with points taken for rubbing and hits. Word of warning, your panels will get polished by the odd tree and rock. Any takers?



I'll give LR a ring on Monday and tell them not to bother with importing them then.

[taff]

if i were closer i'd take you up on this and **** all over you.
originally my 90 was going to be a tourer for just me and the missus - no kids and more than enough room in the back to carry our gear.
now it's a dedicated comp truck and does the job really well.
hugely more capable than my 110 and might earn me a few $$ should britnet spears ever decide to shoot a vid in WA
seems to me your a bit of a jealous tosser always spoiling for a fight and know jack **** about anything


IMHO a 90 is a posers **** mobile, (same as a P38 or a D3). They're more at home on a Britney Speers video that a bush track. Yes they look good, yes they would be relatively quick (compared to a snail, other model Land Rover Defender's or a tortoise)

They're tippy, useless at carrying anything more than a handbag/manbag and the drivers and 1 passengers ego's.

Admittedly there are a few places that a SWB model will get that a LWB won't without a bit of a wiggle about, but 90% of the time it is the opposite scenerio.

They're useless for touring without a trailer, useless as the utility vehicle they are supposed to be(more like a bagged and subwoofered hilux you see 19yr old boys driving), dedicated offroader?????? How many get used for that compared to 110's?

Worth the money, hell no. Give me a 2K Rocky instead. At least you won't kill one of them.

I know of a local track up this way that a 110 or even a 100 inch vehicle struggles on, someone bring up a Defender 90 and prove me wrong, we could time the time spent negotiating obstacles with points taken for rubbing and hits. Word of warning, your panels will get polished by the odd tree and rock. Any takers?

[Disco44]

mmmmmm ok I can't say I have ever heard anyone call a 90 a **** mobile other than you....so this persona you talk about is this nationwide or something that you have just made up! personally I think its the latter as I only ever hear people on here say they would really like one although not practical for their life style, not that he looks like a ****** owning one and the only reason he bought it is to be a poser.

and where did I say they were indestructible??? or you making this up as well...a car is a car they all break they all have problems not matter what the brand or wheel base.

The fact of the matter is whether you try and justify it or not...do not chastise people for there choice of car, because people choose to buy 90's does not mean they are posers and ******* they may have a want or need for this type of car.

bloody judgemental people:wasntme:

Attaboy Dullbird He's made his bed..now we all know who the ......... is!!! ( space purposely left blank for individuals to dream up a word to their liking)
Cheers,
Disco 44

[Sleepy]

DNFTT;)

[AussieAub]

Reading all these pro's and con's, I'm sold. I want one.
Bugger the comfort and space in the D2.....you can keep it.
I just LURVE the little 90's.

Fingers crossed the price is right.....

(ps. Taff, I would've paid to see you take that challenge mate, knowing full well you would have creamed it easy!!)


Cheers,

..:: KIEREN ::..
2000 Disco II Auto V8
Object Of Mass Consumption
AussieAubs Disco Page (http://aussieaub.blogspot.com/)

[p38arover]

It's good to see that, as a P38A owner, I'm in the same class of ******* as 90 owners.

Now, don't get me wrong, I love the look of the Defender (of all sizes) and I'd have one as a second vehicle if I could justify it (I did have the 110 at the same time as the P38A).

As I noted earlier, I think the 90 would be a fun vehicle in the same way a sports car is - impractical but fun (I also want a Sunbeam Alpine which I'm allowed to have if I get rid of the garden ornament, i.e., the IIA).

[dobbo]

Having owned both a D90 and a Jeep Wrangler I think Im qualified to say a couple of things.
First of all they are both enthusiast vehicles and as such you dont really buy them because of their outstanding touring practicality.They are definitely a heart versus head purchase!

Both are great on technically challenging terrain - Dobbo's comments are both insulting and childish - I certainly didn't drive the 90 for any perceived **** value. I admittedly didn't push the envelope in the '90 (altho people who know me know it did get driven:)) because it belonged to my other half - which is why I ended up with a modded Wrangler as the weekend plaything.

Because they have a less than ideal wheelbase length you do learn to drive the tippy stuff with more respect - but with the right suspension mods you can get great wheel flex and better stability. I would have loved to have gone nuts with that lovely Equipe gear for the '90. Maybe next time:)

Perhaps occasionally your actions and comments can be perceived as both childish and insulting as well. Lets just say I have never left someone stranded alone on Pole to Pole and gone home after agreeing to drive it. That disgusted me when I heared about it, it was both ungentlemanly and bloody dangerous. Awaiting your reply as well as your shout at the Anna Bay pub for the last 12 months.


Do you mean LR's in general? Almost none!! There are other countries in the world though!

Even the LR Website suggests that the 90 is far more suited to serious off road use than the 110

I meant the 90, lots of Rangies, Disco's, Bushies and 110's in the comps I've seen. I never said it wasn't better in certain conditions like getting between trees without a 6 point turn, see

"Admittedly there are a few places that a SWB model will get that a LWB won't without a bit of a wiggle about, but 90% of the time it is the opposite scenerio."


I even know a track where most of the rock steps are approx 100 - 110inches apart, it's hell in a LWB, where a SWB does it easily. it's not marketed as a dedicated comp/offroad vehicle, and it's too small to be a practical utility vehicle.


if i were closer i'd take you up on this and **** all over you.
originally my 90 was going to be a tourer for just me and the missus - no kids and more than enough room in the back to carry our gear.
now it's a dedicated comp truck and does the job really well.
hugely more capable than my 110 and might earn me a few $$ should britnet spears ever decide to shoot a vid in WA
seems to me your a bit of a jealous tosser always spoiling for a fight and know jack **** about anything

I'm not jealous, might be a tosser, not spoiling for a fight at all, just typing it how I see it (without the rose coloured glasses). Strangely I have heard the "if I were closer" before, not from you but I have heard it.


Attaboy Dullbird He's made his bed..now we all know who the ......... is!!! ( space purposely left blank for individuals to dream up a word to their liking)
Cheers,
Disco 44

Please fill in the blank, don't be afraid, go on say something, stand apart from the pack mentality.


DNFTT;)

Don't need feeding, and I wasn't trolling, just being blunt and honest, would you prefer I bull crap you all and tell you in a 90 your farts smell like peaches?



Sorry to have offended so many, it was not my intention. I was just giving my honest opinion. Now if you excuse me I'm literally going to make my bed and lie in it. Tis been a long shift.

[Psimpson7]

I meant the 90, lots of Rangies, Disco's, Bushies and 110's in the comps I've seen.

Dobbo, the reason that almost no one competes in 90's over here is because there are hardly any and they cost a fortune. All other Rovers are either far more available or far cheaper.

ETA, back on the shorty thing, it would seem that Toyota are bringing out a 3dr in the new Prado over here... looks pretty bad:

http://www.latestcar.us/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/toyota-landcruiser-prado-three-door-2.jpg

[xsi]

Dobbo said:

Lets just say I have never left someone stranded alone on Pole to Pole and gone home after agreeing to drive it. That disgusted me when I heared about it, it was both ungentlemanly and bloody dangerous.

Hey Dude,

I wont dignify your pathetic comment with a reply.
Dave knows I stayed with him and drove round to the other side. We went for a beer after.

[Shonky]

Attaboy Dullbird...

He's a she. ;)


Now back to it... where did I leave my popcorn?

[Dmmos]

He's a she. ;)


Now back to it... where did I leave my popcorn?

:Rolling: :Rolling: :Rolling:

[frantic]

I owned a 76 swb 88in SIII and would love a 90 with 6 seats, 255/85 and priced at 37-40k to kick the rubicons arse.
On a side note toymotor is bringing the swb prado out next year so there is going to be the potential for a swb war with jeep , toyo and LR all in the same field ( do mitsu still sell pajero swb?) The LR 90 will carry more and have better approach, ramp and dep angles but I bet LR bugger it again and dont include rear seats leaving the empty nesters and young couples who occasionally carry a 3rd or fourth person/ grankid with no choice but to buy a jeep or prado.

[Psimpson7]

Press release says 4 seats for the 90.

[Scallops]

I reckon 90's are too long - I just bought an 86! :p

[Sleepy]

I wasn't trolling, ...

Once upon a time there were three land rovers, who were to go up to the hillside to get dirty, and the name of all three was "Gruff."

On the way up was a bridge over a cascading stream they had to cross; and under the bridge lived a great ugly dobbo, with eyes as big as saucers, and a nose as long as a poker.

So first of all came the shortest land rover to cross the bridge.

"Trip, trap, trip, trap! " went the bridge.

"Who's that tripping over my bridge?" roared the dobbo .

"Oh, it is only I, the tiniest Land Rover Gruff , and I'm going up to the hillside to get dirty," said the land rover , with such a small wheelbase.

"Now, I'm coming to gobble you up," said the dobbo.

"Oh, no! pray don't take me. I'm too little, that I am," said the land rover. "Wait a bit till the second Land Rover Gruff comes. He's much bigger – and has air suspension."

"Well, be off with you," said the dobbo.

A little while after came P38a, the second Land Rover Gruff to cross the bridge.

Trip, trap, trip, trap, trip, trap, went the bridge.

"Who's that tripping over my bridge?" roared the dobbo.

"Oh, it's P38a, the second Land Rover Gruff , and I'm going up to the hillside to make myself dirty," said the land rover, who had such a nice interior.

"Now I'm coming to gobble you up," said the dobbo.

"Oh, no! Don't take me. Wait a little till 130, the big Land Rover Gruff comes. He's much bigger."

"Very well! Be off with you," said the dobbo.

But just then up came 130, the big Land Rover Gruff .

Trip, trap, trip, trap, trip, trap! went the bridge, for the land rover was so heavy that the bridge creaked and groaned under him.

"Who's that tramping over my bridge?" roared the dobbo.

"It's I! The big Land Rover Gruff ," said the land rover, who had an ugly hoarse voice of his own.

"Now I 'm coming to gobble you up," roared the dobbo.
Well, come along! You can call us all queers,
And I'll poke your eyeballs out at your ears;
I've got besides two tonnes of stones,
And I'll crush you to bits, body and bones.


That was what the big land rover said. And then he drove at the dobbo, and poked his eyes out despite his moans, and crushed him to bits, body and bones, and tossed him out into the cascade, and after that he went up to the hillside. There the land rovers got so dirty they were scarcely able to drive home again. And if the fat hasn't fallen off them, why, they're still fat; and so,
Snip, snap, snout.
This tale's told out.

[V8Ian]

:clap2::clap2::clap2::BigThumb::Rolling:

[dobbo]

Sleepy that was good, but the ending? What is the fat from? Is it the Dobbo's fat or the fat off the average Land Rover or the owner of the vehicle?

Surely being the most capable vehicle out of a pedigree of offroaders the 90 would have scaled the cavernous ravine and not driven over the Dobbo's bridge or is it a fact that even in fictional tales a standard trim 90 is still less like David and Goliath and more like David Copperfield or Beckham. It may look good to pose in and with all the smoke and mirrors and legend it has associated with it, it may, (not bloody likely but in a universe of endless possibilities) it may even get you a Spice Girl or a supermodel real life girlfriend.Now back to reailty as you "polish your Landrover" (cannot believe I just wrote them three words in the same sentence) for the twentieth time in a week with your special custom grade hand made cut and polish, you'll eventually realize that the 20 inches of wheelbase you have been missing for so long has been replaced by a 5 inch chip on your shoulder, a 5 inch bicep on your right arm and the remaining 10 inches are taken up by the massively inflated ego and the unbelievable bullcrap excreting from the orifice that 110 owners use to kiss their kids good night with. Now if you excuse me, I have to take 8 of my mates to the pub, like to see someone legally do that in a 90.

[Sleepy]

Actually it's only 17.3 inches.

But only 90 drivers get to say "only 17.3 inches".:Rolling:








Now get off my bridge.