D2's flexing

[disco_thrasher]

I know its being done with all landys but i think we need to get D2 one going I also want to see how all the other D2 are flexing up and what you doing to them to flex .I have had so much trouble trying to get mine to flex since i have gone up in lift and tyres,it flexed more on standard suspension and tyres then now !!!! so lets put up some D2's flexing i will start it off with some prity unimpressive flexing
on my very capable D2 i have custom Great Basin Rover 3"suspension touring setup which has heavy duty springs which does not help with the flex i have removed the sway bars once and did not like how i had no control of the roll movement it created
cheers kelvin

[Shamo]

My D2 flex's pretty amazingly well with the ACE (i think thats the reason why atleast) i havn't had this car long and was a bit hesitant about buying one coming from a D1 because i thought it would never be able to flex as well, also mine has the sls in the rear and i thought it would be absolutely **** house, but yeah it has sure shown me wrong.

The first pic you have seen before Kelvin but i thought i'd throw it up again for everyone to have a look.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/02/475.jpg

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/02/476.jpg

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/02/477.jpg

And here's it on fraser just the other day.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/02/478.jpg

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/02/479.jpg

Like to see a toyo do this....

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/02/480.jpg

I was going to replace the air bags with coils but after going to fraser and loading it up and seeing how bloody well they go when its packed up as opposed to my mates ass dragging D1 i don't think i will, and especially with a flex like this.

Also i've been wanting to put on bigger tyres but not sure how the flex will be affected with them... i was going to go 33 but im thinking the 32s might effect it less and still make the car as capable as running 33s... not sure though.

Shamo

[Redback]

Mine
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

[Hendrik]

Hi Kelvin, you can get more flex out of the rear with longer shocks, but that also means longer brake and abs lines. Looking at the top of the rim compared to the bottom of the sill, it doesn't look like your Watt's linkage is fully binded up...that is not the case with mine anyway.

Here's mine
For some reason I cannot get the front end to tuck up, the dobinsons are a bit stiff, but I am hoping the swaybar disconnects will help.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2009/12/1352.jpg

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2009/12/1353.jpg

[stevep84]

http://img697.imageshack.us/img697/637/p1040234.jpg (http://img697.imageshack.us/i/p1040234.jpg/)

http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/7559/p1040288g.jpg (http://img27.imageshack.us/i/p1040288g.jpg/)

http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/6336/p1040282z.jpg (http://img196.imageshack.us/i/p1040282z.jpg/)

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ (http://img14.imageshack.us/i/p1040278c.jpg/)

[disco_thrasher]

great pictures keep them coming and the info on your suspension set ups



i have always gone for the serious driveline setup as you can see in my signature and i have neglected the suspension setup ,which i think i need to address i do have heavy duty suspesion setup due to pulling camper and touring setup so i need to try make a happy medium

[Slunnie]

ACE, 4" springs, 10" travel shocks. Its pretty flexed up but all 4 are still on the ground. For the locals, this is at ZigZag, Lithgow at the top of the beer run which decends down to the town.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2009/12/1341.jpg

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2009/12/1342.jpg

[Baffle]

Ive done quite a few mods, but think that the bushes in the radius and trailing arms hinder the flex in the D2 quite a lot. You can drill holes in the bushes :angel: to get more flex, or buy new modded bushes.
Funny how threads come up just as you are going through process. Early next year I'm getting a 5 link set up, so its going to be all flex:D. All booked in so should be finished at the end if feb. I will show photos. Have a mate with 5 link in his nissan and it is insane.

[Slunnie]

Ive done quite a few mods, but think that the bushes in the radius and trailing arms hinder the flex in the D2 quite a lot. You can drill holes in the bushes :angel: to get more flex, or buy new modded bushes.
Funny how threads come up just as you are going through process. Early next year I'm getting a 5 link set up, so its going to be all flex:D. All booked in so should be finished at the end if feb. I will show photos. Have a mate with 5 link in his nissan and it is insane.
I agree, and that'll be an excellent mod for the D2. Having checked it out before, I think that it would be a relatively straight forward mod for the D2 aswell. I assume you're keeping the watts link on the rear instead of a panhard.

[disco_thrasher]

Ive done quite a few mods, but think that the bushes in the radius and trailing arms hinder the flex in the D2 quite a lot. You can drill holes in the bushes :angel: to get more flex, or buy new modded bushes.
Funny how threads come up just as you are going through process. Early next year I'm getting a 5 link set up, so its going to be all flex:D. All booked in so should be finished at the end if feb. I will show photos. Have a mate with 5 link in his nissan and it is insane.

tell us more please

[disco_thrasher]

I agree, and that'll be an excellent mod for the D2. Having checked it out before, I think that it would be a relatively straight forward mod for the D2 aswell. I assume you're keeping the watts link on the rear instead of a panhard.

tell more too please

[stevep84]

Mine is all standard just with 235/85R16's. For now!! :twisted:

[Slunnie]

tell more too please
The radius arms are bolted to the axle using 2 bolts. This is so that every time you accelerate or brake that the axle doesn't rotate. That setup is great is you hit bumps and hollows so that the whole axle moves up and down as the radius arms work in harmony.

If you try to articulate, or twist the axle as if you are driving one wheel up onto a rock, this causes the radius arms to work against each other. If the radius arms were bolts solidly to the axle with the 2 bolts, then the radius arms would always have to be aligned with each other, and the implication is that then you wouldn't be able to achieve any articulation. If the radius arms can move in relation to each other then the suspension geometry will allow articulation. The bit that allows that movement in a radius arm suspension design is the bushes, and the more the bushes can flex and allow misalignment of the bushes, then the easier it is for the suspension to articulate. The design of drilled/slotted/holey bushes is that they allow more movement within the bush which allows more articulation.

5-link setups replace the radius arms. A radius arm setup has 1 arm (link) which is bolted to the chassis with one bolt (to allow movement) and 2 at the axle (to prevent rotation of the axle). This occurs on both sides of the axle. A five link setup replaces the radius arm with 2 links per side, both which are bolted to the chassis with one bolt and the axle with one bolt. One link sits over the other generally and roughly, with the 2 links preventing the axle from rotating when braking and accelerating, but it allows less resistance to articulating as the 2 links work like a moving parrallelogram as each end of the axle raises and falls. This setup is duplicated on both sides of the axle which adds up to 4 links, and the 5th link is the Panhard rod which provides lateral location of the axle.

The implication is that the 5 link allows more articulation than a radius arm setup.


Pictured below is a 5-link suspension setup

http://www.jlhmorrisminors.co.uk/store/images/uploads/5-link.jpg

The 5th link is the Panhard to provide lateral axle location, but on the rear there is already a watts linkage which is arguably a better setup for axle lateral location which is why I wondered if this was going to be retained.

[Baffle]

Yes, the watts will stay for sure.
There's a massive amount of force put on the bushes and arms, as a wheel goes down the diff housing wants to roll forwards a bit, as the opposite wheel wants to go up the housing wants to turn the other way, the only way movement is achieved is through the give in the bushes. The design of the 5 link the stress is far less and you gain far more opposing movement.
Im having a hard time waiting;)

[Slunnie]

I'v gotta see this also. You've put a lot of time and energy into your suspension!

[disco_thrasher]

Slunnie and Baffle thanks for the explanations awesome it gives me a better understanding now

lets get some more flexing pics up

[Redback]

I'v gotta see this also. You've put a lot of time and energy into your suspension!

AH HAA, you got different bushes, that's why yours was better up the ramp:p OMG more money, I hate you Simon;)

Baz.

[harlie]

Baffle - are you still looking at the SLS logic?

[Slunnie]

AH HAA, you got different bushes, that's why yours was better up the ramp:p OMG more money, I hate you Simon;)

Baz.
Hehehe, no they are just standard LandRover bushes. There isn't anything trick under there that you don't know about. Actually those bushes are only about 3 years old too, so still relatively stiff.

[Baffle]

Baffle - are you still looking at the SLS logic?

Mate Ive done the cross over, but I do believe things are still held up with the articulation as with the topic here. (hope were not hi jacking). Thank you for all the info you gave, I do have to neaten up the system ive made :D . man Im slack.Its hanging on by concreting tie wire, this happens when you do alot of concrete:p

[harlie]

Mate Ive done the cross over, but I do believe things are still held up with the articulation as with the topic here. (hope were not hi jacking). Thank you for all the info you gave, I do have to neaten up the system ive made :D . man Im slack.Its hanging on by concreting tie wire, this happens when you do alot of concrete:p

Good work. I've not played with 5 link setups so it's been an interesting read for me.

Just don't look at the concreting wire - it's realy not there;)

[disco_thrasher]

Mate Ive done the cross over, but I do believe things are still held up with the articulation as with the topic here. (hope were not hi jacking). Thank you for all the info you gave, I do have to neaten up the system ive made :D . man Im slack.Its hanging on by concreting tie wire, this happens when you do alot of concrete:p

definately not hijacking as D2 owners we all know how hard it is to do lifts well for me it is !!!!!! bring on this info i say ...not just for the bigger lifts but for the 2" 3" and more
i have learnt alot allready ,as i was saying to Simon (Slunnie) give me a drive line and i can sort it gears/ ratio ect but suspension is where i fall short and all this is a helping to sort out my downfalls in suspensions

keep it coming on all D2 suspension info

cheers kelvin

[georgesadlik]

G'day Kelvin,
Ive got a Rovertym 3" lift with all the bits and I mean everything! sitting here waiting to go on the D2. She flexes good now but i hope even more once all the goodies including Fox shocks go on. Rest assured i will post build pics and flex shots once i'm done.
Baffle has an awesome setup too it seems. Keep to flex shots coming..

Cheers

George.

[LOVEMYRANGIE]

My D2 flex's pretty amazingly well with the ACE (i think thats the reason why atleast) i havn't had this car long and was a bit hesitant about buying one coming from a D1 because i thought it would never be able to flex as well, also mine has the sls in the rear and i thought it would be absolutely **** house, but yeah it has sure shown me wrong.

The first pic you have seen before Kelvin but i thought i'd throw it up again for everyone to have a look.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/02/475.jpg

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/02/476.jpg

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/02/477.jpg

And here's it on fraser just the other day.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/02/478.jpg

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/02/479.jpg

Like to see a toyo do this....

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/02/480.jpg

I was going to replace the air bags with coils but after going to fraser and loading it up and seeing how bloody well they go when its packed up as opposed to my mates ass dragging D1 i don't think i will, and especially with a flex like this.

Also i've been wanting to put on bigger tyres but not sure how the flex will be affected with them... i was going to go 33 but im thinking the 32s might effect it less and still make the car as capable as running 33s... not sure though.

Shamo

Shamo, your missus should be a D2, best flex I seen in ages!! :eek: :p

Bugger the toyo, lets see HER do it again!!!! :wasntme: :angel:

[Redback]

I wanted to post these but couldn't find them, they were taken by a forum members father on a trip to the Lithgow area.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/bazzar/109419340_kaINYYff.jpg

Baz.

[Shamo]

Hey redback what size are your bighorns? 245/75r16? Nice flex

Shamo

[Redback]

Hey redback what size are your bighorns? 245/75r16? Nice flex

Shamo

265/75/16s, I'm going back to 235/85/16 because the 265s rub on the radius arms at full lock and they are 1kilo each heavier which has caused a bit of power lose, just want some power back when towing, the 235/85s are only about 0.2 smaller in rolling diameter so no big drop in diff clearence.

[disco_thrasher]

by comparing the pictures from the first post i have drastically improved my flex

[fourteen8]

My D2 flex's pretty amazingly well with the ACE (i think thats the reason why atleast) i havn't had this car long and was a bit hesitant about buying one coming from a D1 because i thought it would never be able to flex as well, also mine has the sls in the rear and i thought it would be absolutely **** house, but yeah it has sure shown me wrong.

The first pic you have seen before Kelvin but i thought i'd throw it up again for everyone to have a look.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/02/475.jpg

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/02/476.jpg

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/02/477.jpg

And here's it on fraser just the other day.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/02/478.jpg

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/02/479.jpg

Like to see a toyo do this....

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/02/480.jpg

I was going to replace the air bags with coils but after going to fraser and loading it up and seeing how bloody well they go when its packed up as opposed to my mates ass dragging D1 i don't think i will, and especially with a flex like this.

Also i've been wanting to put on bigger tyres but not sure how the flex will be affected with them... i was going to go 33 but im thinking the 32s might effect it less and still make the car as capable as running 33s... not sure though.

Shamo

Nice flex.

What suspension do you have there?

Any mod you did to get this flex??

[Shamo]

Nice flex.

What suspension do you have there?

Any mod you did to get this flex??

Hey mate, that was when I just had 2 inch lift blocks under the SLS in the Rear and 2 inch lift HD springs in the front end. Couldn't tell you the brand sorry, but they were light blue if that helps in any way... Nothing else was changed otherwise. Tyres are 245/75r16 too

Shamo

[stevo68]

Flex...someone say flex :)

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/02/290.jpg

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/02/291.jpg

Regards

Stevo

[disco_thrasher]

on the same hill at Sundown Stevo you going down and me going up in my old D2

http://img534.imageshack.us/img534/8448/2010sundownnp2407.jpg (http://img534.imageshack.us/my.php?image=2010sundownnp2407.jpg)



Flex...someone say flex :)

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/02/290.jpg

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[stevo68]

Ha....you'd be right Kelvin...your coming up it...I'm going down. Was that from the last trip that pic of yours?

Regards

Stevo

[disco_thrasher]

Ha....you'd be right Kelvin...your coming up it...I'm going down. Was that from the last trip that pic of yours?

Regards

Stevo

yip last on remember -8 degrees al my beers froze

**** IT WAS COLD

[Urban Panzer]

Remember when wanting more flex, inparticular on the rear axle, the watts linkage will eventually run out of travel and stop the flex, hence Rovertym do their modded one to allow even more flex.

HP Watts Linkage - Suspension - Rovertym Engineering (http://www.rovertym.com/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=yagendoo_VaMazing_zoom1.tpl&product_id=26&category_id=52&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=119)

Shock lengths are the real limiting factor as well, hence the longer the better.

I have never been able to find out for example how much longer the OME shocks are for a D2, but I assume by the fact that they are "bolt in" items and no mention of brake line or ABS extensions come with them (as far as I know), then they dont actually offer that much more travel. My terrafirma shocks for example are loads longer and did /do require brake line and ABS extensions.

Not the greatest piccy, but lots of flex in the rear here, and there was a little more as well...

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/02/182.jpg

[LOVEMYRANGIE]

Remember when wanting more flex, inparticular on the rear axle, the watts linkage will eventually run out of travel and stop the flex, hence Rovertym do their modded one to allow even more flex.

HP Watts Linkage - Suspension - Rovertym Engineering (http://www.rovertym.com/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=yagendoo_VaMazing_zoom1.tpl&product_id=26&category_id=52&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=119)

Shock lengths are the real limiting factor as well, hence the longer the better.

I have never been able to find out for example how much longer the OME shocks are for a D2, but I assume by the fact that they are "bolt in" items and no mention of brake line or ABS extensions come with them (as far as I know), then they dont actually offer that much more travel. My terrafirma shocks for example are loads longer and did /do require brake line and ABS extensions.

Not the greatest piccy, but lots of flex in the rear here, and there was a little more as well...

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/02/182.jpg

The stock travel is what disappoints me most in the D2. My RRC gets even more travel than a lifted D2 and keeps all 4 on the ground where even a 2" lifted D2 starts getting air.....

Cheers

Andrew


Sent from my backyard TeePee using smoke signals.

[Urban Panzer]

mmm, not sure on that one tbh........the RRC is the same setup as a D1, and My d2 with ACE (before lift) flexed more than my friends D1 does.

Don't think you can tar "lifted D2's" all with the same brush tbh, because you can lift a car without changing the shocks and its the shock length that governs the axle drop........+ it will also depend on how "stiff" your lift springs are because it takes more force to compress the upward going spring.

[LOVEMYRANGIE]

My RRC is a '93 with EAS. The only addition is Bilsteins.


Sent from my backyard TeePee using smoke signals.

[CJT]

When looking for of the shelf shocks for the D2, most rated for a 2" lift appeared to be the same length as stock.

The longer Bilsteins I bought actually came out at 50mm longer than the standard units and along with the ACE I seem to get a fair amount of travel.

I believe for extra travel the watts linkage needs modification (as mentioned above) and possibly the upper and lower shock mounts need to be looked at. There will be a certain point where the standard shock geometry starts to work against itself on axle drop.

I have attached an older pic of mine. That is with Dobinson Extra Heavy Coils, Bilstein Extended Shocks.

With more weight in the car I can get more travel and I ran out of rock to climb.

[Rudolf]

Ironman springs front & rear with Ironman shocks front and ProComp rear.
Now I have Koni at the rear.
Rear droop is about the same as the front.
Brake lines and ABS cables are at at their extremes here.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/02/152.jpg

[that_kid]

This is my d2 with just the standard suspension stuff +2" mates rates kit with the lovells shocks and HD dobinson spring. Also has no sway bars in it. This is the shocks maxxed out with about 10mm before the watts binds.

Ill post up pics once the new lifts in :)

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/02/100.jpg
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/02/101.jpg
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/02/102.jpg
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/02/103.jpg
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/02/104.jpg

[funkyfedaykin]

Nothing amazing about my flex here, but i just wanted to show off the new car :D

[Furka]

Anyone has drilled his bushes to improve articulation ? If yes, how ?

[Krayzie Keegs]

This is my d2 with just the standard suspension stuff +2" mates rates kit with the lovells shocks and HD dobinson spring. Also has no sway bars in it. This is the shocks maxxed out with about 10mm before the watts binds.

Ill post up pics once the new lifts in :)


Hey mate About the Sway bars?? how dose it go on road with out them I look at it the other day and thinking that the Ace will pick up the slack and keep it from rolling on turns...... this true

[simonl8353]

Taken on a 4WD test track at Werribee last August

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[that_kid]

Hey mate About the Sway bars?? how dose it go on road with out them I look at it the other day and thinking that the Ace will pick up the slack and keep it from rolling on turns...... this true


personally i think it makes it better. It smoothes out alot of the bumps and just gives it a smoother ride. Its not a race car and is driven accordingly. Having said that i dont think it has changed the speed or ferocity that i approach corners (I am 21).

I havent towed anything over about 1.5ton since i took them out so that may be something else to consider but in an ACE equipped vehicle i can only assume you get the best of both worlds. In my case i want maximum off road performance and am will to sacrifice its on road manners.

Same lift with the swaybars in still,

Excuse my mates french
YouTube - Springs wheelstand

[Riceburner]

Posing flex shot.

[Krayzie Keegs]

Sounds pretty good My D2 is pretty much a off road car I hace a Hiace for work and the wife has a sport for the faimly so, the disco only gets used for trips dirt and snow.

Think I'll be taking them out next time i do work.....(don't tell the wife):twisted:

[imatt]

Here is my D2 flexing, its not the best but there never is a camera around when truly flexing. This shot was taken today at Wombat State Forest, car setup is ACE, SLS, 2" lift (HD dobinsons coils up front, waiting for barwork) and bilstein shocks.
Cheers Matt

[Disco Muppet]

Bump!
MOAR FLEX
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/05/1280.jpg (http://s1166.photobucket.com/user/DiscoMuppet/media/2012-12-03130210.jpg.html)
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/05/1281.jpg (http://s1166.photobucket.com/user/DiscoMuppet/media/2012-12-03130150.jpg.html)

Out at Lithgow the other day it was flexing nicely, it's just I didn't want to get out and walk through knee deep mud to take piccies :p

[frostyblue]

Here is a couple of my D2 flexing, standard springs and shocks with ACE fitted, the mound was actually very tall i could have driven right over it as all 4 wheels still had traction but would have come down on the sill, mates prado in background couldnt right up as 2 opposing wheels started spinning, not bad flex for standard veh

Cheers

Ken

[CJT]

This is with 50mm raised coils and 50mm extended Bilstein shocks, ACE still connected and I have not put in the longer ACE links yet.

Travel appears to be restricted by the brake lines and shocks at present.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/06/1067.jpg

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/06/1068.jpg