Twin 540HP, it is enough for you?

[Chucaro]

This beauty is at the docks now in Hobart. Ady Hil, ex Earthrace, powered by two 540 horsepower Cummins Mercruiser engines that run on a low-emission animal fat and vegetable oil mix biodiesel.
There is some info HERE (http://www.popularmechanics.co.za/content/outside/singlepage.asp?fid=871&pno=1)
Awesome machine!!

I uploaded more fotos in the camera forum.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2009/12/1292.jpg

[Gillie]

Dunno why you would chase whale boats in it though. some pics here
Superbad Anti-Whaling Stealth Boat - Photo Gallery, 8 Pictures - LIFE (http://www.life.com/image/92774936/in-gallery/35982)

[subasurf]

Dunno why you would chase whale boats in it though. some pics here
Superbad Anti-Whaling Stealth Boat - Photo Gallery, 8 Pictures - LIFE (http://www.life.com/image/92774936/in-gallery/35982)

I so hope that anti-whaling boat sinks.

[TimNZ]

I so hope that anti-whaling boat sinks.


Why?

[JDNSW]

The colour scheme and size reminds me of the trading vessels I saw years ago at Ras al Khaimah at the mouth of the Persian Gulf - They were open fibreglass boats about that size with four 200hp outboards across the back, with a great mound of cargo filling the boat covered with a matte black plastic tarp. No lights at all.

I was told they were waiting for a dark night for the trip across to Iran and back - they were faster than anything the Iranians had, and gave a very poor radar reflection. Cargo was mainly American made goods that were embargoed (by both the Americans and Iranians, but not by Ras al Khaimah).

John

[subasurf]

Why?

Because I CANNOT stand activist hippy scum.

[DRanged]

Because I CANNOT stand activist hippy scum.

Mate I spent a little time on the Greenpeace ship "Esperanza" in Vanuatu and I can tell you that activist hippy scum is far from people I met.

Captain is ex Russian navy

Everyone from lawers to Electricians to Fitters to boilermakers donate their time and experience to give the Japs a hard time over whaling. Good on em I reckon.

I think your stuck in the 70's & maybe need to get out more:D

Justin

[EchiDna]

activist hippy scum with millions to (in effect) donate towards the purchase of this boat for a start... I 100% support the fact that there are activist hippy scum types running around on the dole causing trouble for honest hardworking people such as those in the forestry industry or formerly running cattle in the high country, but those protesting the japanese commerical whaling program have my support.... pity they don't decide to take on the indonesian fisho's in the off season :(

[V8Ian]

Because I CANNOT stand activist hippy scum.
Don't hold back, tell us what you really think.:D:D

[justinc]

Went and had a gander today, that'll be an interesting ride in 6 metre southern ocean swells/ 10 metre waves:o
Noticed a few places where the fibreglass matting is appearing in fibre form through the gelcoat, at the join of 1 outrigger to main hull. :o Must've taken some pounding in the big swells I reckon.

As regards 'Activist hippy scum ' comments, the crew members and volunteers etc I saw and listened to interacting with the visitors to the pier are passionate, hardworking and focussed people with a tough task ahead of them. If we had no people willing to draw attention to the so called experimental harvesting of whales, then yes I believe they would be hunted to extinction.

I hate whaling, it really serves absolutely no purpose IMHO:mad:

JC

[clean32]

I don’t know much on the topic, but I remember the rainbow warrior, and I remember “just” being ****ed in some foggy bar in Paris and flapping off about it thus expecting to lose a few teeth in the process, the surprising result was a table full of free vino and a couple of hot partisan chicks of whom neither I could take advantage of due to that table full of free Vino.
But I digress, as I said I don’t know much about the whaling issue, but I read a book once about a guy by the Name of Dickie Barrat? At one time he was a whaler in NZ, had a couple of good years then one season something like 50 odd yank ships turned up and that was the end of that game. And it has never been the same since.
I know of an aircraft owner (EX Mill aircraft) who was approached and sounded out about making a live attack on a Jap whaling ship. He did the wise thing and turned it down. But the point is if there are people who are prepared to risk all and go to that sort of extreme. I suspect that whaling will eventually stop.

PS I have done the whale watching thing a couple of times, I would it down as the must do before you die category

[Chucaro]

Because I CANNOT stand activist hippy scum.

They are not all of them hippy scum!
I support any proper managed activity to protect the wild life.

[Gillie]

Ady Gil rammed and unlikely to be salvaged. More here Japanese Whalers Ram Sea Shepherd Ship Ady Gil - Sea Shepherd (http://www.seashepherd.org/news-and-media/news-100105-4.html)


Either way you look at it, it is an interesting development with little regard for human of other life.

[seano87]

Because I CANNOT stand activist hippy scum.

Oh dear, I do hope we never meet in a bar for a drink. I confess to having being involved in "activist hippy scum" behaviours.

Moreso, I'm proud of what I've helped accomplish too.

As for the current situation in the Southern Ocean, I don't think anyone will ever know what really happened between the Ady Gil and the whalers. I'm sure the reports from the sea shepherd's is slightly biased, but nonetheless I think the going ons each year over whaling needs to be sorted - preferably without reckless damage and disregard for human life.

Seano

[Chucaro]

Too me these japs are Nature vandalism bastards :mad:

[Chucaro]

There are more news HERE (http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/01/06/2786875.htm)

[101RRS]

The TV vision claimed to show the Ady Gil seconds before the incident has the boat overtaking the whaler. The Rules of the Road for vessels at sea require all overtaking vessels to remain clear of the vessel being over taken - straight away it would seem the Ady Gil did not obey the the rules - most likely turned across the bows of the whaler (a position where it would still have to give way) and got too close. Also if the whaler has its special operations symbols up all vessels must remain clear.

Also the whaler is a larger slower cumbersome ship where the Ady Gil is a small high speed vessel more than capable of keeping clear - seems to me the Ady Gil tried something and it failed - they stuffed up.

I intensely disagree with whaling but I also disagree with the organisation running Sea Shepard etc - it is not the way to do things. The Japanese govt would have every right to protect its ships with warships in international waters. Particularly as the weak Whaling Commission allows the Japanese to legally conduct these whaling trips.

We need to convince the Whaling Commission to make the Japanese actions illegal.

Garry

[Chucaro]

The other version is,: QUOTE "At the time of the collision, the vessel was dead in the water. It was motionless and there was no confrontation taking place between the two vessels,"End Of QUOTE :eek:

[350RRC]

I don’t know much on the topic, but I remember the rainbow warrior, and I remember “just” being ****ed in some foggy bar in Paris and flapping off about it thus expecting to lose a few teeth in the process, the surprising result was a table full of free vino and a couple of hot partisan chicks of whom neither I could take advantage of due to that table full of free Vino.

Anyone remember the Japanese actress / judge on Iron Chef a couple of years ago who refused to taste a dish that had a tiny bit of whale in it as a secondary ingredient? That was an eye opener. Her decision was highly respected by the rest of the cast as I recall.

Could tell a few Shepherd stories (one of the peanut butter pirates stayed in my house for a few days about 3 years ago), we'll see how this thread progresses. I don't have much respect after talking at length to this guy about what they got up to, even though I see a variety of magnificent whales while at sea doing one of my jobs.

cheers, DL

[harry]

it seems that that 'stealth' paintwork doesn't work in daylight.
dills parking in front of ship - nil'
ship -one.

i don't condone whaling, but thinking you can stop a ship by parking in front of it aint ever going to work,
now watch greenpeace waste more money on legals.
and, who's waters were they in?
aust' or international?
and where were the two vessels registered?

like what i am asking is 'does our government have to spend dollars on this?'

please don't spend my share on it, i don't condone it.

[seano87]

Anyone remember the Japanese actress / judge on Iron Chef a couple of years ago who refused to taste a dish that had a tiny bit of whale in it as a secondary ingredient? That was an eye opener. Her decision was highly respected by the rest of the cast as I recall.


I'm not sure what this has to do with the current topic of conversation, after all, we all know the Japanese are only taking whales for research, not to eat! :wasntme:

Unless they're researching the chemical and physical alteration the meat undergoes when an amount of heat is applied to it? :angel:

Seano.

[Gillie]

There are more news HERE (http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/01/06/2786875.htm)

There is now video footage of the actual crash released by the Japenese. The video is at the above link and is below the picture of the Ady Gil.

It looks to me they are dead in the water but might be under power just before impact.

[Gillie]

YouTube- Ady Gil loses bow to Japanese whaling vessel.

[chuck]

In my view there are poaching in Australian Waters killing defenceless animals that are just returning from near extinction in a cruel & barbaric way.
Australian warships should be down there repelling them.
The Japanese need our raw materials far more than we need their goods.

If they want to eat whale let them catch & kill them humanely in their own waters - in truth they are just doing it because of past practice.

Imagine if every country continued to condone past practices.
We would still be hunting aborigenes & denuding the land most of us enjoy.

At least the Sea shepards' are not standing idly by, they are standing up for what they believe in.

Just my opinion.

Chuck

[slug_burner]

In my view there are poaching in Australian Waters killing defenceless animals that are just returning from near extinction in a cruel & barbaric way.
Australian warships should be down there repelling them.
The Japanese need our raw materials far more than we need their goods.

If they want to eat whale let them catch & kill them humanely in their own waters - in truth they are just doing it because of past practice.

Imagine if every country continued to condone past practices.
We would still be hunting aborigenes & denuding the land most of us enjoy.

At least the Sea shepards' are not standing idly by, they are standing up for what they believe in.

Just my opinion.

Chuck

By this definition I would say they were in international waters. Australian warships repelling them? Might be an act of war!

A state's territorial sea extends up to 12 nautical miles (22 km) from its baseline. If this would overlap with another state's territorial sea, the border is taken as the median point between the states' baselines, unless the states in question agree otherwise.

Looking at the video, I cannot understand why the Japanese whalers would release that video. It might be an optical illusion but it looks like they went after them and rammed them. The most stupid thing about it all is the Adi Gil foating up and down and not being under power to evade the whaling ship.

Anyone speak Japanese to tell us what the narrative on the video is saying?

[350RRC]

There is now video footage of the actual crash released by the Japenese. The video is at the above link and is below the picture of the Ady Gil.

It looks to me they are dead in the water but might be under power just before impact.

Moving forward in neutral at the start, kicked into gear at about 0.12, given a few revs at about 0.14 (you can hear it) definite strong forward propulsion just before it goes under the bow(look at the prop wash in the wake and compare with the start).

Look at the wake of the Jap boat at the end. Would have started that evasive turn at about - 0.10.

Irish piracy. (apologies to the Irish)

DL

[chuck]

Apparently this occurred just off Commonwealth Bay which is in Australian Antartic Territory.
So for the sailors out there does this make the waters Australian?

Regards

Chuck

[capri_v6]

I so hope that anti-whaling boat sinks.

were u the one driving the whaling ship?:o:twisted:

shame to see so much lovely boat sink,

[dobbo]

Moving forward in neutral at the start, kicked into gear at about 0.12, given a few revs at about 0.14 (you can hear it) definite strong forward propulsion just before it goes under the bow(look at the prop wash in the wake and compare with the start).

Look at the wake of the Jap boat at the end. Would have started that evasive turn at about - 0.10.

DL

If you had a steel hulled whaling ship coming towards you whilst your in a fibreglass hulled powerboat, you hand is on the throttle and wheel, what would your self preservative reaction be? IMHO I'd try and floor it and make evasive actions to avoid the collision

[robzilla]

geez the Japs love rubbing it in. notice even after the crash they still keep the water cannons on! :lol2:

[THE BOOGER]

looks like the anti whaling boat was under power at the time doesnt that mean they have to give way to the larger ship as they turn much faster than the whaling ship along the lines of power giving way to sail. As far as i know the japanese are very careful about staying in international waters thats why Aus govt wont send warships. As far as i know there are 15 nations that allow whaling not just japan i dont see why if they keep to the species (basically minke) that are not rare why they cant whale i dont eat it but who am i to say they cant the french eat horse cantonese eat cat mid eatsern countries eat camel we eat skippy tell me the difference. I dont think anybody calls for hunting to extinction. :confused:

PS even the US allows native fisherman to hunt whales.

[isuzurover]

Because I CANNOT stand activist hippy scum.

I pity you.

[HBWC]

in a shoping center the other day i was asked to help save the whales

i told them to play at the japs game and start hunting them for sience

for some reson they left me alone after that

[dmdigital]

be able to
PS even the US allows native fisherman to hunt whales.
Yes and we allow native hunting of protected species too. Does this mean they should use high powered weapons and off-road vehicles or power boats?

Also Japanese whaling is not even pretending to be for traditional reasons only for "scientific research".

I also don't agree with the approach of these protestors or the government to this issue. Whaling is wrong and the Japanese fleet should be shut down but antics like we see from these protestor's ships doesn't help anyone.

[350RRC]

If you had a steel hulled whaling ship coming towards you whilst your in a fibreglass hulled powerboat, you hand is on the throttle and wheel, what would your self preservative reaction be? IMHO I'd try and floor it and make evasive actions to avoid the collision

Dobbo I've driven lots of different boats around the ocean over the last 20 years and it's plainly obvious to me that the peanut butter pirates caused that PR collision.

I don't condone whaling at all, but deliberately causing collisions that may endanger lives if something goes wrong (Morse cables break, sudden fuel blockages, etc, etc, etc, etc) is REALLY wrong. I have nearly been run down by a 60ft pilot launch at sea accidentally, no more than 2 secs in it and it was not a good feeling.

Even the lefty fashion statement newspaper 'The Age' says:

'Video footage released by Japan's Institute of Cetacean Research last night showed the Ady Gil gradually increasing in speed into the path of the Japanese ship, countering the Sea Shepherd claim that the Ady Gil was not moving when it was hit'.

No 'appeared to' or 'apparently'.

cheers, DL

[roverrescue]

I wonder how much dieso the "ady gil" just deposited into that "pristine marine environment"??????

If the anti-whalers are really trying to sink a steel hulled ship built for the southern ocean I somehow think a lightweight carbon fibre match stick was the wrong tool for the job... maybe they need to get a big barge and put a dozen Counties on the deck with zuzu's running PTOs to a big prop... would be an unbreakable battering ram!

I think the Japanese win this PR round (the whole shebang really is PR smoke and mirrors) - and they dont even give a rats what the world thinks...

S

[350RRC]

I wonder how much dieso the "ady gil" just deposited into that "pristine marine environment"??????



The peanut butter pirates claimed the floating batmobile was low on fuel and drifting when 'rammed'.

Later they said they were salvaging what they could including 400l of fuel.

They have no cred as far as I'm concerned.

cheers, DL

[isuzurover]

... i dont see why if they keep to the species (basically minke) that are not rare why they cant whale i dont eat it but who am i to say they cant the french eat horse cantonese eat cat mid eatsern countries eat camel we eat skippy tell me the difference.

To me the biggest difference is that whales are very intelligent. It is the same as eating dolphin or chimpanzee as far as I am concerned.




Later they said they were salvaging what they could including 400l of fuel.


I am pretty sure it runs on bio. Which (usually) breaks down much more readily than dino diesel. 400L isn't much for a vessel that size.

[waz]

I'm no expert, but this looks pretty damning to me.

YouTube- Ady Gil Being Rammed, View From Bob Barker

W

[350RRC]

I'm no expert, but this looks pretty damning to me.

Mate the batmobile accelerates that quick to get its nose under the bow the Japs can't keep the water cannon it. Look again.

cheers, DL

[waz]

Mate the batmobile accelerates that quick to get its nose under the bow the Japs can't keep the water cannon it. Look again.

cheers, DL

That's an interesting point of view, but I see the whaling ship turn so erratically that the person manning the water cannon can't keep up.

W

[isuzurover]

Mate the batmobile accelerates that quick to get its nose under the bow the Japs can't keep the water cannon it. Look again.

cheers, DL

Never let facts get in the way of a good argument. Creation "scientist" perchance?

[dobbo]

Went and had a gander today, that'll be an interesting ride in 6 metre southern ocean swells/ 10 metre waves:o
Noticed a few places where the fibreglass matting is appearing in fibre form through the gelcoat, at the join of 1 outrigger to main hull. :o Must've taken some pounding in the big swells I reckon.


JC

How about this

it needed repairs, and then it was used as a sacrificial lamb for the greater cause

[350RRC]

Never let facts get in the way of a good argument. Creation "scientist" perchance?

Hey, easy! :D

Have another read of my post about the first vid.

I have photos of the batmobile from a year ago when it came through the heads in Vic for the boat show. It was a mile away idling up the south channel and we could hear the exhaust over the noise of a 50 foot steel cray boat I was doing research on at the time. You can see them put it in gear and hear them crank it on in the vid.

I don't support whaling but this sort of BS by the peanut butter pirates will only serve to entrench it.

The simple facts are:

Very few Japanese eat whale meat.

The whole operation of the slaughter, processing, distribution, wholesale and retail of cetaceans is totally uneconomic.

It only continues because of 'national pride'.

cheers, DL

[waz]

My understanding is that the Ali G was actually reversing.

Again, I'm no expert on video editting, whaling, or environmental "piracy". This is just my understanding.

W

[350RRC]

My understanding is that the Ali G was actually reversing.

Again, I'm no expert on video editting, whaling, or environmental "piracy". This is just my understanding.

W

The prop wash would be visible going towards the front of it up each side with nothing out the back if it was.

You can see the 'trail' it is leaving moving forward slowly at the start of the first vid. They're giving it a bit of bio in forward just before it goes under the bow.

cheers, DL

[350RRC]

How about this

it needed repairs, and then it was used as a sacrificial lamb for the greater cause

You're on it Dobbo. Probably had been repaired at some stage and was of no use for anything else.

cheers, DL

[roverrescue]

Not defending the Japanese but:
In the first posted video, just before impact you can see deep propwash (the greeny white colour below the hull wash) the carbon fibre matchstick was powering forward with some herbs.

The cynic in me sees an attention grabbing "environmental" but next to useless stunt boat, bought and then used in a PR campaign... I know that piracy will preclude insurance claims but depending on the lawyers it may all end up costing the sea shepherds very little (if it was insured and they get payed out) but gaining them uber free TV/radio/net time.

The second video shows that perspective can be a deceiving thing.

The problem with all forms of protest is that anything can and usually is justified for a cause that is "good" enough. We will never know the truth BUT the fact we are discussing this on an open forum means the PR has worked...

enough from me :)

S

[isuzurover]

Hey, easy! :D

Have another read of my post about the first vid.

I have photos of the batmobile from a year ago when it came through the heads in Vic for the boat show. It was a mile away idling up the south channel and we could hear the exhaust over the noise of a 50 foot steel cray boat I was doing research on at the time. You can see them put it in gear and hear them crank it on in the vid.

I don't support whaling but this sort of BS by the peanut butter pirates will only serve to entrench it.

The simple facts are:

Very few Japanese eat whale meat.

The whole operation of the slaughter, processing, distribution, wholesale and retail of cetaceans is totally uneconomic.

It only continues because of 'national pride'.

cheers, DL

Sorry if that was a bit harsh. I am sure the Ady Gil skipper isn't blameless, however, when you watch the vid Waz posted.

The video is being taken from a fixed point. Initially you can see the bow and some of the starboard side of the SM2. It then turns quite rapidly - 30-40 deg - so now you can see the whole port side.

To me it looks like they are definitely "aiming" for the AG. Regardless of whether they intended to hit it or just pass very close across its bow.

The AG appears stationary until just before impact.

I note the Japanese skipper is saying that the AG was "passing in front" and misjudged...

The fact that JC said fibres were sticking through the gelcoat makes things seem more suspicious. However the boat (when it was called Earthrace) was damaged and repaired many times.

It would be difficult to prove anything conclusively, unless you could get GPS logs from each boat, but at the very least it is clear the SM2 intended to either ram or pass dangerously close to the AG.


EDIT: Some of the repairs to Earthrace/AG


On the night of March 19, 2007, while around 22km offshore from Guatemala, Earthrace collided with a local fishing boat

on 31 May 2007 after a crack was discovered in the hull shortly after leaving Malaga, Spain. [11]

Shortly after leaving Palau on day 34, Earthrace struck submerged debris which sheared two blades off the port propeller and bent the drive shaft. This necessitated a return to Palau in order to assess the damage and remove the prop. The boat then continued to Singapore on one engine, while plans were set in motion to manufacture a new drive shaft and obtain another propeller. Once in Singapore, Earthrace was hoisted from the water in a sling and repairs were effected on the dockside in record time.


Whatever happened, it was an awesome boat, and it is a shame it is no more.

[Gillie]

Whatever the cause of the accident it has certainly bought alot of attention to their cause. They will probably get more than $2mill in new donations with the renewed interest in their plight.

Good on em.

[THE BOOGER]

It was lucky the sea shepard camera crew was just in the right place:angel:, from the front all things look stationary untill they get very close:)As for numbers of japs that eat whale very few aussies eat roo or croc but we dont ban it I dont eat whale but some japanese do, dont know about the research part but we use dogs, cats and monkeys for research. I think provided they are not hunting endangered animals then let them go. As for harpoons we use bolt guns and electrocution whats better? Its legal to hunt with bows is there much difference? Wouldnt want us (all aussies) to be hipocrates now would we if we say no killing animals we like or no research them that applies to us as well.

[isuzurover]

Whatever the cause of the accident it has certainly bought alot of attention to their cause. They will probably get more than $2mill in new donations with the renewed interest in thier plight.

Good on em.

They seem to do quite well on that front already - lots of generous benefactors giving them boats.

Bob Barker (US TV personality) just bought them a boat.

Not sure who the Ady Gil is named after?

They are also not without blame themself. Their main vessel before the Steve Irwin, was confiscated by canadian authorities. It apparently was responsible for sinking 10 vessels:
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

[Gillie]

Not sure who the Ady Gil is named after?


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/25/DSC_0564_sm.jpg

The short answer is Ady Gil Himself

The Ady Gil is named for a Californian millionaire whose donation enabled the ship to be purchased by the Sea Shepherds. As Gil told The Age, ''It is worth every penny to me even if one beautiful, amazing whale is saved.”

Did he get his moneys worth? Hmmm I reckon he did with the publicity the boat has bought them.

[Yorkie]

How about this

it needed repairs, and then it was used as a sacrificial lamb for the greater cause

agree with this,

lucky the other pirate boat arrived on the scene to film the events.....:angel:

[isuzurover]

The short answer is Ady Gil Himself

The Ady Gil is named for a Californian millionaire whose donation enabled the ship to be purchased by the Sea Shepherds. As Gil told The Age, ''It is worth every penny to me even if one beautiful, amazing whale is saved.”

Did he get his moneys worth? Hmmm I reckon he did with the publicity the boat has bought them.

Thanks - tracked him down:
American Hi Definition | Welcome (http://www.hi-def.com/index/index.php)

It seems he is well known as an environmentalist and philanthropist.

[hoadie72]

To me the biggest difference is that whales are very intelligent. It is the same as eating dolphin or chimpanzee as far as I am concerned.


Using that logic you could also argue that pigs are also intelligent and we shouldn't kill them either.

[Barefoot Dave]

Looking at the footage from all angles, I make the following observations:

This was definately a Mexican standoff where they both zigged when they should have zagged.
I agree with 350RRC's interpretation of the AGs acceleration but, without looking from directly overhead, it appears that the AG was positioning itself for a blocking maneuver with the 'no power defence', the SM2 anticipated passing astern of the AG.
Didn't happen, so both carry out evasive action and do a (apologies to Tombie2) Skippy and evade directly into each other.
Having a Doco crew along to film 'Whale wars' is a red rag to Paul and crew.
The SM2 would have won the PR war if they had immediatly ceased the water cannoning and rendered some form of assistance. They didn't, and that is the last thing most people will see.
For the record, I almost joined Sea Shepherd a few years ago as direct action is justified in many environmental issues. Sea Shepherd can go too far at times, though. I support 'traditional hunting', but only if done in a traditional manner, ie: rowed boats and hand harpoons. Yes I do object to turtles and dugong being hunted in Aus waters from 90 horse tinnies!
Dave

[isuzurover]

Using that logic you could also argue that pigs are also intelligent and we shouldn't kill them either.

Possibly, though pigs are generally considered to be significantly less intelligent than cetaceans (as well as below elephants and chimps) - slighly above dog intelligence (and we all know that dogs are widely used for food in asia).

Pigs have also been farmed for thousands of years, and are a pest in AU.

[fraser130]

I'm no expert, but this looks pretty damning to me.

YouTube- Ady Gil Being Rammed, View From Bob Barker (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rar9zxH1kts)

W

Obviously without being there it's very hard to know what exactly happened, but from my piont of view, with experience of piloting boats, I think the captain of the Ady Gil had no option but to remain stationary, or go forward.
He probably didn't believe the SM2 would actually keep turning into him.
Boat propellors are absolutely useless in reverse, and a boat with rudder steering has almost no steering in reverse.
So he probably thought (too late) that he could use the boat's power to turn to the starboard (right) and power across the bow of the SM2, but alas it was too late.
The prop wash visible thrughout the whole episode would be the AG's captain retaining a bit of control with slow throttle so he has water moving over the rudders.

Let's see what happens...........

Fraser

[350RRC]

Obviously without being there it's very hard to know what exactly happened, but from my piont of view, with experience of piloting boats, I think the captain of the Ady Gil had no option but to remain stationary, or go forward.

Fraser

He's not stationary at any time in the first vid, have a look.

cheers, DL

[fraser130]

He's not stationary at any time in the first vid, have a look.

cheers, DL

No, but relatively stationary (compared to the SM2), engines just idling in gear to provide some control of the boat.

He just left it too late to get out of the way (as I mentioned, he was probably didn't think he would actually get rammed.

There is no way in my mind that the AG was the main instigator of the collision, look at the speed that the SM2 steers towards it while it is hardly moving.

If the AG's captain had tried to reverse in those seas, the props would have just cavitated, and he would have gotten nowhere anyway.



At least nobody was killed.

Cheers,
Fraser

[350RRC]

There is no way in my mind that the AG was the main instigator of the collision, look at the speed that the SM2 steers towards it while it is hardly moving.

At least nobody was killed.

Cheers,
Fraser

That's my point............... it is extremely irresponsible to put lives at risk at sea like they were.

cheers, DL

[JamesH]

The AG was the main instigator becasue it was there in the first place. The boat was bought for and went out with the express and admitted purpose to harrass at extremely close quarters the Japanese whaling fleet.

They got what was coming to them and they're probably not sincerely upset. So that's the end of that matter.

I don't like whaling one little bit, I don't even like Japan as a rule :eek:. My personal view is that whaling should be banned. But I am not a traditionalist Japanese person so I would say that. We've managed to stamp out the wholesale slaughter so let's be pleased about that.

Let's see this Sea Shepherd movement for what it is, middle class white westerners throwing their power and wealth around and making the little foreigners tow the line. We don't want you to eat whales, so stop. They probably would have by now if we hadn't tried to make them.

I believe that inspite of my repugnance for their actions, the Japanese whalers are doing me a favour because the minute those Sea Shepherd people stop whaling, they start on live exports and they start doing material damage to my way of life, it's no longer some bogey old Japanese whale eater they're coming for, it's me. And then after they crush the livestock industry they are going to stop me from eating meat altogether....and so it goes, that's who they are and that's what they do.

So the fact that I agree with them this time is totally irrelevant, I saw the whaler run them down and I cheered.

[isuzurover]

He's not stationary at any time in the first vid, have a look.

cheers, DL

The first vid has no fixed frame of reference (shot from a fast moving boat that is also changing direction), so it is impossible to determine that for sure.

The second vid is shot from a fixed frame of reference, and therefore likely to be more reliable.

[BigJon]

No, but relatively stationary (compared to the SM2),

Relatively stationary??? :eek:

Either stationary or moving, can't be both. :angel:

[dobbo]

Relatively stationary??? :eek:

Either stationary or moving, can't be both. :angel:

Like the universe? Show me anything completely stationary in this universe.

Susan Boyle's sex life does not count as it does not exist

[isuzurover]

...

Susan Boyle's sex life does not count as it does not exist

ROFPMSL

:Rolling::Rolling::Rolling::Rolling::Rolling:

Dobbo - I think you need to become a comedian...

[JamesH]

Relatively stationary??? :eek:

Either stationary or moving, can't be both. :angel:

You reckon? :DWell if we can organise a drag race between my Tdi and your Rangie I reckon you might change your mind.

[dullbird]

the way I see it is LARGE vessels do not turn on a sixpence so for the AG to be hit they had positioned themselves in a position to close that they couldn't do anything about it, that or they thought they were being clever and playing chicken which would not surprise me with there stupid idiotic stunts.....

I'm all for saving the whales but not the way they go about it......do first! think second!!!

[slug_burner]

The reasons for people finding themselves in an area where an accident occurs is not going to have any bearing on the interpretation of who should have given way or otherwise. The whole Sea Shepherd v whalers is a game of chicken and PR, the truth will be shaped to suit.

I don't have a skippers ticket so cannot claim years of experience but the physics is pretty simple, when a vessel turns sharply the whole structure leans over and there is definitely a lean on the SM2 as it turns towards the AG. The AG did not get out of the way. So far it looks like the AG lost the game of chicken but they may well win the PR war specially if the Maritime Board finds in their favour.

[fraser130]

.................

[THE BOOGER]

I doubt any Australian judical board will even consider looking at this. Maybe a political inquiry but not a court based one, I am told that the AG had been trying to foul the whalers prop and rudder by draging a cable under her hull to do this they have to get very very close so close they would be braking the rules maybe they got to close, lets be real barring catustrophic failure of both engines there should be no way the whaler could ram the AG even on 1 engine they could out run and turn the whaler:)

PS did someone say the MS2 was at high speed? whats her top speed compared to the AG?

[d2dave]

Like the universe? Show me anything completely stationary in this universe.

Susan Boyle's sex life does not count as it does not exist

:Rolling::Rolling::Rolling::Rolling::TakeABow:

[isuzurover]

PS did someone say the MS2 was at high speed? whats her top speed compared to the AG?

12 knots top speed according to this:
Shonan Maru 2 (http://www.researchvessels.org/country/Japan/shonan_maru_2.html)

Earthrace's top speed was 40knots. Though I doubt the AG would have been set up for that.
http://www.earthrace.net/index.php'section=18
However its top speed is irrelevant, only its acceleration and manouverability - since the SM2 was steaming flat out and the AG was stationary at the start of the vids/scenario.

[clean32]

12 knots top speed according to this:
Shonan Maru 2 (http://www.researchvessels.org/country/Japan/shonan_maru_2.html)
.

i think everyone is underestimating the maneuverability of the shonan Maru , for there size thay can turn on a dime, not being very long and with short blisters, thay resemble more like a ball underneath.

if i was to say they tend to spin rather than turn, if that makes sense.

and remember thy are built to chase whales

[midal]

Just watching a further news report on this ...the AG has taken on too much water and sunk whilst being towed to a French land base.
Interesting thing is they said it was NOT insured.
Valued at $2 m and not insured?

Cheers
Mick

[isuzurover]

Just watching a further news report on this ...the AG has taken on too much water and sunk whilst being towed to a French land base.
Interesting thing is they said it was NOT insured.
Valued at $2 m and not insured?

Cheers
Mick

Which insurance company in their right mind would insure it when they knew its intended use???

They recently had a boad confiscated (permanently) by the canadian authorities.

It's not like they can claim an A1 rating :D

[whitakerb]

If the anti-whalers are really trying to sink a steel hulled ship built for the southern ocean I somehow think a lightweight carbon fibre match stick was the wrong tool for the job... maybe they need to get a big barge and put a dozen Counties on the deck with zuzu's running PTOs to a big prop... would be an unbreakable battering ram!




Could you imagine the size of the barge to float dozen scrap iron engines :angel: I would imagnine it would end up next to the AG.... :wasntme:


Sea shepard should think laterally. Could they scare the whales away before the japs get to them??


Ben

[Rosscoe68]

if you search a little on youtube for more vids, you will see a longer vid showing that the AG manouvered across the bow of the SM2 from left to right about 2 minutes before this incident, it then sat stationary in the water in front and to the right, so was an obvious chicken game in my view. in my limited knowledge of maritime, i see both skippers at cause.
as some have said, the japs should be put stop on whaling. just not sure if it can be done by sacrificing a unique boat like this.

[clean32]

Sea shepard should think laterally. Could they scare the whales away before the japs get to them??


Ben
the whales go down then back up, they don't actually swim along like normal fish for very long. with sonar the can position the harpoon ships dam close to where they will pop up

[dswatts]

I just spent the morning on the Brigitte Bardot (the Ady Gil replacement) seeing if I could repair the water-maker before they head to the Antarctic. I don't think it's salvageable, Have organised a replacement at cost and I will fit it for free.
Happy to support them, At least they do something rather than just talk about it.

Dylan

[PhilipA]

Do you think Greenpeace will sink that one deliberately to make a better news story like they did with Ady Gil. (as reported by the captain)
Regards Philip A

[Chucaro]

I just spent the morning on the Brigitte Bardot (the Ady Gil replacement) seeing if I could repair the water-maker before they head to the Antarctic. I don't think it's salvageable, Have organised a replacement at cost and I will fit it for free.
Happy to support them, At least they do something rather than just talk about it.

Dylan

Looks good as well

http://images.cdn.fotopedia.com/flickr-5918950436-ifill_1024x768.jpg

With the old name

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/11/152.jpg

[mrapocalypse]

The AG was the main instigator becasue it was there in the first place. The boat was bought for and went out with the express and admitted purpose to harrass at extremely close quarters the Japanese whaling fleet.

They got what was coming to them and they're probably not sincerely upset. So that's the end of that matter.

I don't like whaling one little bit, I don't even like Japan as a rule :eek:. My personal view is that whaling should be banned. But I am not a traditionalist Japanese person so I would say that. We've managed to stamp out the wholesale slaughter so let's be pleased about that.

Let's see this Sea Shepherd movement for what it is, middle class white westerners throwing their power and wealth around and making the little foreigners tow the line. We don't want you to eat whales, so stop. They probably would have by now if we hadn't tried to make them.

I believe that inspite of my repugnance for their actions, the Japanese whalers are doing me a favour because the minute those Sea Shepherd people stop whaling, they start on live exports and they start doing material damage to my way of life, it's no longer some bogey old Japanese whale eater they're coming for, it's me. And then after they crush the livestock industry they are going to stop me from eating meat altogether....and so it goes, that's who they are and that's what they do.

So the fact that I agree with them this time is totally irrelevant, I saw the whaler run them down and I cheered.

YEP! What he said. Whaling BAD. Sea Shepherd.... BAD. You should see his entourage.... They took time out from Pole dancing to hang with the Rock Star Captain who isn't really a captain...

[Tombie]

Whilst I do not agree with Whaling....

I dont agree with these methods either.. Protesting is protesting... This is not

What this IS is Piracy, Terrorism and Assault.

I don't like eating Pig - But if I see you eating it - That doesn't give me the right to go punch you in the nose, harass your table, or get in your way back to the buffet.

Whilst it is legal - and who are we as a society to tell another country what they can and cant do outside of OUR jurisdiction - then we can protest their action, draw public attention to it etc...

[Rosscoe68]

wot he said ^