Anchor Points

[jagen]

Hi, I'm doing some research into buying a D3. Our family is expanding next year and we're looking at getting a d3 se for it's 7 seats (amongst other things).
Can anyone tell me if there are 3 car anchor points across the middle row and also if there are any on the back row. I have seen 3 in the pictures but I'm guessing it's an OS model shown so didn't want to rely on that. I'm also thinking I won't be able to fit 3 car seats along the middle row as we're struggling in our current cx7.
I'm assuming they'll be none on the 3rd row - if they're aren't - can they be installed?
I have heard from some people that you can't install them due to the fact the collapse, but this was in other 4wd's.
Does anyone know?
Many thanks in advance.

[rmp]

Yes there are three child restraint points in the middle row on all D3s (and RRS). They are located about 1/3 of the way down in the seat, an ideal location.

There are none on the third row. You'd need to get them installed. Some 4WDs have them in the third row but not many. The Territory does I seem to recall.

Yes three child seats can fit on the second row, dependent on the seat of course. I've managed it.

(added this to the FAQ www.aulro.com/afvb/d3-d4-zone/93220-aulro-discovery-3-4-rrs-faq.html (http://www.aulro.com/afvb/93220-aulro-discovery-3-4-rrs-faq.html))

[ash333]

Hi Jagen,

I have 3 young kids and can fit 3 child seats across the middle row. 2 kids are in a booster and the youngest is in a forward facing seat. There are no child anchorage points on the 3rd row.

Cheers,
Ash

[jonesfam]

We have had 3 forward facing baby seats across the middle row. It was a bit of a mission fitting them all but once in & buckled down it worked well. 2 of the seats were just the basic type & 1 had arm rest & cup holders & was much larger than the other 2.
We currently have 1 baby seat, 1 small (bum only) booster seat & 1 booster with sides & head rest across the middle row no problem.
The only issue we have is that the 2 bigger boys that sit right down the back have to pull out the bum only booster to get in & I have to reposition it each time, not a big hassle.
I find the way the seat belt buckles spring down a bit of a pain when reaching over kids trying to do the seat belt up on the booster seats, with all those seats it is hard to see or feel what you are doing & the buckle will spring back down if you don't hang on.
Jonesfam

[jagen]

Reply from Land Rover...


Thank you for contacting Land Rover Australia

It is possible to fit 3 across the back seat however it would depend on the seats and their dimensions however the anchor points are all there.

There are actually anchor points in the rear of the vehicle that can accept a standard Child Restraint Anchor Hook for the 3rd row of seats. They are located in the rear floor area near the tailgate.

The Dealers are currently not aware of this so they won't be able to show the you how it works. I can supply you with further information on its operation if you require.

Once again thank you for contacting Land Rover Australia

[jtonline]

Hi Jagen,

Did you get any more info re: the having anchor points on the floor for the 3rd row?

[MartyJB]

I know this thread is pretty old, but like jtonline I'm still curious if jagen or anyone else has sussed out where these 3rd row anchor points are as per the response he got from LR?
Otherwise has anyone had them installed?
Thanks Marty
PS a picture of this would be great.

[PaulGOz]

My understanding is that for booster seats you do not require an anchor so if you placed the booster seats in the rear row then you shoudl be ok. You'd be best to check your local regs though.

My guess on the bolt holes is that they woudl be behind the trim that runs along the bottom of the tailgate.

On another note with the seat belt buckles springing back into their hiding holes. I stuff a piece of hard rubber under them which holds them up so that the seat belts can easily be slotted staright into the buckle. Just remeber to remove them when folding seats down as the buckles will mark the leather otherwise.

[MartyJB]

I've had a better look tonight and there are bolt holes/captive nuts in the body under the tailgate as PaulGOz guessed. They simply have a trim plug in them and they look about the size a standard child anchor point would bolt to.
Sorry, I haven't tried screwing one of the bolts that come with cars in yet and I didn't take a picture...
My dealer had quoted it would cost about $250 per point to have them installed!
I'd be keen if I could get some confirmation that they are appropriately rated, however IMH(Engineering)O it looks more solid than the pacel shelf on your average family sedan where child anchors are normally bolted to!

[mojo]

I fitted a child seat to the third row of our new D4 yesterday. As mentioned above, you need to pull out a trim plug near the tailgate, and screw in a child seat anchor point.

With 2 month old twins and a 3 year old, we thought this would be the best option (3 year old in the third row), but we've decided there's no decent load carrying area if you have one of the 3rd row seats up, particularly if you have to jam a twin pram in the back somewhere!

I'll be changing everything around tomorrow to have 3 across the second row

[CaverD3]

THe second row also has ISOFIX anchor points; ISOFIX seats have fianally been made legal in Oz. :angel:
Not sure if you can get the seats yet though.

[time2]

I fitted a child seat to the third row of our new D4 yesterday. As mentioned above, you need to pull out a trim plug near the tailgate, and screw in a child seat anchor point.

With 2 month old twins and a 3 year old, we thought this would be the best option (3 year old in the third row), but we've decided there's no decent load carrying area if you have one of the 3rd row seats up, particularly if you have to jam a twin pram in the back somewhere!

I'll be changing everything around tomorrow to have 3 across the second row


Hi Mojo

We have our twins and their 4yo brother in the second row and their 6yo sister minds the pram in the rear. We tie the pram to the side passenger grip to try and keep it out of her way. She has to jump in through the back door to get in.

When the twins were in thier capsules the 4yo had to crawl through the 'tunnel' footspace to get to his seat.

[sniegy]

THe second row also has ISOFIX anchor points; ISOFIX seats have fianally been made legal in Oz. :angel:
Not sure if you can get the seats yet though.

Isofix seats are not allowed to be used as they don't meet Aus regulations.

As a Q fitter we are not authorised to fit them.

[CaverD3]

Thanks Sniegy.
My Bad, Still illegal. :mad:
Still dragging their heals?
Thought it would be done and dusted by now. :angel:
Seem to follow European standards in everything else? Why not just ok the system where the restraints are fitted by the manufactuerer?
Really shouldn't under estimate the ability for bureaucrats to stuff around.

Important details for Australian ISOFIX child restraints from Britax – Babyology (http://babyology.com.au/out-and-about/important-details-for-australian-isofix-child-restraints-from-britax.html)

http://www.standards.org.au/OurOrganisation/News/Documents/120820%20ISOFIX%20release%20MR.pdf


"The Australian system, whilst it was revolutionary when it was first introduced and was a big advancement in child seat safety, is no longer the most reliable system, and that’s been highlighted by the fact that a lot of research has shown that in the order of two-thirds of child seats are incorrectly mounted.”

Isofix child restraints to be legalised in 2013 |*CarAdvice (http://www.caradvice.com.au/165625/isofix-child-restraints-to-be-legalised-in-2013/)

The reality?

Essential Baby > ISOFIX Is coming (http://www.essentialbaby.com.au/forums/lofiversion/index.php/t970042.html)


"Extended rear facing and ISOFIX are two totally separate issues.

We currently have provision in the Australian Standard (and have had for years) for a "Type D" restraint which is a rear facing restraint for children to 4yrs.

It is just that as yet manufacturers have seen no need (or market) to create a RF restraint to 4yrs.


ISOFIX on the other hand is for ALL types of restraints (ie. RF. ERF. FF and Boosters).


What has happened is at the moment the FIRST HURDLE to getting ISOFIX here has been jumped. The ADR (Aust Design Rule) for cars has been changed which means that from Nov this year all cars plated from them (ie. approval plated not registered plated) will be required to have ISOFIX points.


No research has clearly shown again and again that apart from being nearly idiot proof to install ISOFIX is also SAFER then our TT/Seatbelt in Side impact accidents. Even research done with a Holden Commodore (modified) with the same shell Aussie seat (with TT/Seatbelt and TT/Latch and TT/ISOFIX) also came to the conclusion (which also marries up with overseas research) that ISOFIX is superior in side impact accidents.


So yes now the ADR for child restraints has changed.

Now stage II has to happen - for the Australian Standard for Child Restraints to be changed to include ISOFIX fittings. As PP has pointed out there is some debate in the media as to whether it is a 2013 due date for the standard to be updated or 2013 due date for the START of discussions over a proposed new standard.

Either way once Stage II has been passed it is then onto the manufacturers for Stage III - actual research and design of an Aussie Standard ISOFIX seat as our Aust Std is not just about performance it is also about the actual DESIGN of the seat (which is why we have issues with foreign seats - they all have to be modified for our standards).

So then you pass Stage III - you have done your R&D.... now you have to pass Stage IV which is actually to get your new seat approved by Standards Australia. Even if you do get your seat approved first go, history shows a lag of at least 4-6m between 'approval' and a seat hitting the shelves in the stores.

So personally I would not be holding my breath for an Aussie standard approved ISOFIX seat before 2015."

If the new standard ends up different from the ISOFIX standard we may never get seats that fit the system as we are too small a market. :mad::mad:

In my ignorance I thought they would see the bleeding obvios and approve them.

[gotaflat]

Hi Jagen,

Did you get any more info re: the having anchor points on the floor for the 3rd row?

Hello there.

We had 2 anchor points installed in the third row of the D4 as we have 4 kids (including twins) whom all require booster seats and or baby seats.

Anyway, you can't just go and screw in the Anchor points in the behind the 3rd row seats. I think there are holes there already under the carpet with sealed screw reinforcing through to the outside of the vehicle as mentioned. However as adding anchor points for child seats is an Vehicle Safety Modification, they need to be installed by a qualified person, and a vehicle modification plate attached to the car....and then the car modification paper work sent to somewhere special, like the licensing department, (I don't know where but it will be bureaucratic department...full of bureaucrats...) anyway it was all done by the installer. In WA it was Wespar Vanquip.

Anyone who has done this on their own please note the compliance requirements. The cost is not for screwing in 2 anchor points...it's the compliance requirements.

It's pretty easy once you know who to talk to. LR in the west wanted $250 per anchor point to fit before delivery, however I contacted the engineering business/installer and got them done after delivery from memory for $200 for both. All certified etc. you need to advise insurer!...... It's a vehicle modification .... I can't bold this on iPad, but please remember this :)

I will try to get some pictures of the anchor points and mod plate, which they installed in the inside of the rear door wheel arch. Hardly notice it.

Cheers

[mojo]

Interesting, hadn't thought about the legality of installing your own anchor points. I would have thought that if a car has factory made holes to take an anchor point, you would be OK to put them in your self. Most baby seats are sold with screw in anchor points, and quite a few cars have suitable holes that are available for these - in addition to the one I just put into the D4, I've done it to a Camry and a Mazda Premacy. I've rung an anchor point installer to see if I can legally do this myself, just waiting for them to call me back ...

[gotaflat]

I think it has to do with what the car is registered with and what the manufacturer specifies? I.e. a ford falcon or commodore states 3 anchor points (you have screw buy the 3rd bold and anchor and then screw in yourself. When I spoke to the installer, they said no car comes with third row anchor pints (except people movers like the Tarago etc). The company has installed the anchor points in Discos, Land Cruisers and XC90s. Won't fit to Pajeros with their seat set set up or the Prado 120s and back. The 150s he mentioned might be ok, but he has to check the load specs and 'engineering' structure of the seat. There is bit about it on line, and these mods can only be done by the government authorised engineers/installers.
I am getting to the pictures...

[sniegy]

Thanks Sniegy.
My Bad, Still illegal. :mad:
Still dragging their heals?
Thought it would be done and dusted by now. :angel:
Seem to follow European standards in everything else? Why not just ok the system where the restraints are fitted by the manufactuerer?
Really shouldn't under estimate the ability for bureaucrats to stuff around.

Important details for Australian ISOFIX child restraints from Britax – Babyology (http://babyology.com.au/out-and-about/important-details-for-australian-isofix-child-restraints-from-britax.html)

http://www.standards.org.au/OurOrganisation/News/Documents/120820%20ISOFIX%20release%20MR.pdf

"The Australian system, whilst it was revolutionary when it was first introduced and was a big advancement in child seat safety, is no longer the most reliable system, and that’s been highlighted by the fact that a lot of research has shown that in the order of two-thirds of child seats are incorrectly mounted.”

Isofix child restraints to be legalised in 2013 | CarAdvice (http://www.caradvice.com.au/165625/isofix-child-restraints-to-be-legalised-in-2013/)

The reality?

Essential Baby > ISOFIX Is coming (http://www.essentialbaby.com.au/forums/lofiversion/index.php/t970042.html)

"Extended rear facing and ISOFIX are two totally separate issues.

We currently have provision in the Australian Standard (and have had for years) for a "Type D" restraint which is a rear facing restraint for children to 4yrs.

It is just that as yet manufacturers have seen no need (or market) to create a RF restraint to 4yrs.

ISOFIX on the other hand is for ALL types of restraints (ie. RF. ERF. FF and Boosters).

What has happened is at the moment the FIRST HURDLE to getting ISOFIX here has been jumped. The ADR (Aust Design Rule) for cars has been changed which means that from Nov this year all cars plated from them (ie. approval plated not registered plated) will be required to have ISOFIX points.

No research has clearly shown again and again that apart from being nearly idiot proof to install ISOFIX is also SAFER then our TT/Seatbelt in Side impact accidents. Even research done with a Holden Commodore (modified) with the same shell Aussie seat (with TT/Seatbelt and TT/Latch and TT/ISOFIX) also came to the conclusion (which also marries up with overseas research) that ISOFIX is superior in side impact accidents.

So yes now the ADR for child restraints has changed.

Now stage II has to happen - for the Australian Standard for Child Restraints to be changed to include ISOFIX fittings. As PP has pointed out there is some debate in the media as to whether it is a 2013 due date for the standard to be updated or 2013 due date for the START of discussions over a proposed new standard.

Either way once Stage II has been passed it is then onto the manufacturers for Stage III - actual research and design of an Aussie Standard ISOFIX seat as our Aust Std is not just about performance it is also about the actual DESIGN of the seat (which is why we have issues with foreign seats - they all have to be modified for our standards).

So then you pass Stage III - you have done your R&D.... now you have to pass Stage IV which is actually to get your new seat approved by Standards Australia. Even if you do get your seat approved first go, history shows a lag of at least 4-6m between 'approval' and a seat hitting the shelves in the stores.

So personally I would not be holding my breath for an Aussie standard approved ISOFIX seat before 2015."

If the new standard ends up different from the ISOFIX standard we may never get seats that fit the system as we are too small a market. :mad::mad:

In my ignorance I thought they would see the bleeding obvios and approve them.

Hi Caver,
The difference & one part of the ADR not approving ISOFIX is that our standards which is superior to that of anywhere in the world, is that our seats are secured by the top tether strap.
ISOFIX does not require this & our ADR's will not approve this until this happens, one part is due because of manufacturers may not or will not redesign the seat with this option.
Another point is that the ISOFIX capsules are a solid mount to the seat, therefore in an accident the seat does not flex (our seats are designed like a crumple section of a vehicle) to take up any absorption in an accident, add to this not having a top tether & the seat moves violently in an accident.

If it was my vehicle & one of MY children, I would not use an ISOFIX seat!

The main point to this is having your seat fitted properly, the seat fitting your child, don't discount height, weight etc etc.
Doing this correctly WILL save your child's life!

HTH
Cheers

Sent from my iPad using Forum Runner

[mojo]

I think it has to do with what the car is registered with and what the manufacturer specifies?

Yep, the installer rang me back, and basically said the same thing - he suggested as long as the car manual states the holes are for an anchor point, you are OK to screw them in yourself. I don't think the D4 manual mentions these third row anchor points, but an earlier post in this thread states that Land Rover Australia said they were OK to use. So who knows ...

[gotaflat]

Yep, the installer rang me back, and basically said the same thing - he suggested as long as the car manual states the holes are for an anchor point, you are OK to screw them in yourself. I don't think the D4 manual mentions these third row anchor points, but an earlier post in this thread states that Land Rover Australia said they were OK to use. So who knows ...

Mojo, LR were very clear to me and did say there ok to use, but had to 'certified and fitted by one of 2 licensed engineers in WA' . LR dealer said that they have had quite lot done (installer verified)

[gotaflat]

hope this works,

sorry the picture of the modification plate did not work to well as its quite shinny.

We have 2 points in the back - one seat down at the moment so just took a picture as is (other one exactly the same)

Cheers

[CaverD3]

If LR say it is an anchor point for child restraints I do not see why it is a modification?
If this is in writing from LR it should be just an attachment.
Anyone checked with ana authorised fitting staion?
Authorised Restraint Fitting Stations - Map (http://www.mobilityengineering.com.au/restraint-fitting-stations-map.htm)
Authorised Restraint Fitting Stations - Map (http://www.mobilityengineering.com.au/restraint-fitting-stations-map.htm)

[gotaflat]

I may have mislead you before sorry. LR don't state that there holes or provision of anchor points in the third row. I can't explain why there are plugged holes in the third row. Its not stated in the hand book and LR categorically state there are only 3 child seat anchor points. Dealer knew they were holes and could be installed (in the 3rd row) but again stated that had to be installed by government authorized persons.
LR may had put them in for something else, or even to to be anchor points for child seats,. However given the vastly different regulations on baby seats, anchor points and third row seating regulations around the world, it just may have been to hard to have points in back for anchor points and have them registers and meet all the appropriate standards globally? As such to have them installed they need to 'engineered and okayed to need local requirements?

Anyway, just letting you know what I had to do/did.

Cheers

[andylandy]

just had a crawl under the back of our D3, and where your anchor points (gotaflat) are installed there is nothing but floor pan, so the installers in your instance have carried out a vehicle modification by drilling through the floor and i would imagine putting reinforcing / load spreading in place, however if using pre threaded points already installed in the vehicle i don't see how this can be classed as a vehicle modification. We have recently (8 weeks ago) had twins, and our 2 year old likes to pull their arms so am looking to put him in the third row of seats, to this end i have spoken to Land Rover Australia customer service who have sent a query to the Land Rover Technical Dept. I asked if the prethreaded holes were rated child restraint points, or would i need to have specific child anchor points installed. Once i hear back i will post the info i recieve, should be by monday.

Cheers

Andy

[Epic pooh]

I have put one additional anchor point in my third row - it is not in the floor, it is at the rear of the boot only accessible when the seats are raised. There are two anchor points and they are very clearly (to my mind) put there for this purpose - they are exactly the same as the centre seat fitment in a Commodore wagon or the third row in Territory or Tribeca - in fact it is very much like anchor points in the boot of my (beloved 20 y/o) Charade: in an obscure spot but there and oem fitment for anchor bolts.

They are properly aligned with the centreline of the third row seats - the holes have standard anchor point plug that comes out and are correctly threaded and the correct depth for the bolt kit that comes with carseats.

I do not see why you would need any plate or additional modification - I am surprised to see the position in the photos - that required the installer to actually cut a hole in the vehicle. I'd post a photo of mine, but my boot is full of crap ATM - I'll try to post a photo when my boot empties tomorrow or saturday (off to Yalwal for the day tomorrow ... woohoo !).

[gotaflat]

i am trying to work out if they were installed or already in place? I never really looked TBH. I know there were no holes in the carpet, and as you say they are only accessible when the seats are up (as per my pictures). I think it really comes down to what the car is registered with and what the car builder says they are for. I cannot see where LR states they have installed them or put there for seat restraints? (except just for the second row) .

[Ciaran]

Hi All,

I have attached some photos of an anchor point I have added (have actually added 2 - one on each side). There are two threaded holes on the vertical face of the boot that are accessed once the 3rd row seats are raised. Just pop out the black plastic inserts and thread in the anchor points with the two spacers usually included with the anchors that come with child seats.

The plastic trim for the rear door flap seems to have a slot specifically for the anchor bracket to sit in between.

Anyhow, hopefully the pictures help.:)

[CaverD3]

Looks like they were made for it?

[andylandy]

Hi Ciaran,

Your photos show the threaded holes i want to use, but i am trying to find out if these are rated for restraint use or just happen to be the right size, i would guess that they are for this purpose, but not willing to risk my sons life without checking (nothing against what your doing, each to their own.)

Andy

[Epic pooh]

Just emptied my boot and claran has beaten me to the photos (and provided better ones than I took) ! Those are the bolt holes I use, I don't know what other purpose they could serve or why LR would put standard anchor bolts behind the rear row if they are not intended as restraint bolts.

Given that they have also put locking belts in the rear row, I think the safety profile is as good as it gets (and I don't know why they'd bother with locking belts if the seats are not intended to have child seats fitted) - particularly for children still using seats with a built in harness - the ratcheting/locking belt is doing the bulk of the work to restrain the seat and the upper tether is just providing lateral support. The seat is rigid and the child is in a five point harness within the seat.

It's odd that the purpose of these bolt holes is not in the manual.

[mojo]

Yep, the holes in Ciaran's pics are what I used (although I have since removed the baby seat from the third row, as we lose too much luggage room). I would say the points in gotaflat's pics have been drilled through the floor by the installer.

I emailed LRA:

Hello,

I have recently bought a new Discovery 4, and have a question regarding child seat anchor points for the third row of seats.

I have been told that there are 2 holes near the rear tail gate that you can screw a standard anchor point into. I've located the holes, and they do seem to accept an anchor point bolt. However, I've also been told that I'm not legally able to fit these anchor points myself - they need to be fitted by a licensed installer.

Are you able to confirm if:
1 - the holes near the rear tail gate are in fact for child seat anchor points?
2 - if I can screw in the anchor point myself, or should be getting it done by a installer?



And their slightly confusing response:

Hi Sean,

Thank you for your email.

The answer is "Yes" to both of your questions.

Please contact your nearest Authorised Land Rover Dealership and book it in for installation.

You can locate your nearest Authorised Land Rover Dealer via the following link: Find Land Rover Dealers near You | Land Rover Australia (http://www.landrover.com/au/en/lr/find-dealer)



The "yes to both of your questions" seems to indicate I can do it myself, but then they suggest booking it in to a dealer to get it fitted??? I've asked for more clarification ...

[CaverD3]

Spoke to an Authorised fitting station and as the threaded anchor points are > 35mm off centre it will need to be certified.
Mobility engineering said about $450 to certify plus brackets.

[mojo]

Yep, the holes in Ciaran's pics are what I used (although I have since removed the baby seat from the third row, as we lose too much luggage room). I would say the points in gotaflat's pics have been drilled through the floor by the installer.

I emailed LRA:

Hello,

I have recently bought a new Discovery 4, and have a question regarding child seat anchor points for the third row of seats.

I have been told that there are 2 holes near the rear tail gate that you can screw a standard anchor point into. I've located the holes, and they do seem to accept an anchor point bolt. However, I've also been told that I'm not legally able to fit these anchor points myself - they need to be fitted by a licensed installer.

Are you able to confirm if:
1 - the holes near the rear tail gate are in fact for child seat anchor points?
2 - if I can screw in the anchor point myself, or should be getting it done by a installer?



And their slightly confusing response:

Hi Sean,

Thank you for your email.

The answer is "Yes" to both of your questions.

Please contact your nearest Authorised Land Rover Dealership and book it in for installation.

You can locate your nearest Authorised Land Rover Dealer via the following link: Find Land Rover Dealers near You | Land Rover Australia (http://www.landrover.com/au/en/lr/find-dealer)



The "yes to both of your questions" seems to indicate I can do it myself, but then they suggest booking it in to a dealer to get it fitted??? I've asked for more clarification ...

And the final reply:

Thank you for your email.

Your questions were:

1 - the holes near the rear tail gate are in fact for child seat anchor points?

2 - if I can screw in the anchor point myself, or should be getting it done by a installer?

My answer is “yes” to the first and second questions.

In regards to the installation, legally it needs to be done by an authorised installer, please contact your nearest Authorised Land Rover Dealership and book it in for installation.

[gotaflat]

And the final reply:

Thank you for your email.

Your questions were:

1 - the holes near the rear tail gate are in fact for child seat anchor points?

2 - if I can screw in the anchor point myself, or should be getting it done by a installer?

My answer is “yes” to the first and second questions.

In regards to the installation, legally it needs to be done by an authorised installer, please contact your nearest Authorised Land Rover Dealership and book it in for installation.

Thanks Mojo,

Agree with you points, however in terms on using the threaded holes that are there - I guess they will only be used if the engineer/installer is happy with the location etc during certification. (mine were clearly done differently...

[Graeme]

Thanks Mojo,

Agree with you points, however in terms on using the threaded holes that are there - I guess they will only be used if the engineer/installer is happy with the location etc during certification. (mine were clearly done differently...Would you really expect an installer to use the supplied holes and think that you would be happy to pay him $450 or thereabouts for doing so?

[andylandy]

Interesting, i got a reply by phone from Landrover today on using the threaded holes and the answer was:.....They are not shown in the handbook, therefore we cannot recomend their use as child restraint anchors. we reccomend you take your vehicle to your nearest authorised restraint fitter. when i pushed them a bit they said that they don't know what 3rd party brackets would be used therefore not rated, so my response was so the holes are rated for use, but not the 3rd party items.... we cannot recomend their use as child restraints. this was coming from Land Rover Australia Technical dept, very poor answer, and as we can see there is inconsistancy in there responses to different people. It would seem that they are concerned about liability, which i can understand, but then why fit these if they won't let people use them.

When my D3 next goes in for a service i will be asking Trivett Parramatta how they do it (they are an authorised installer) so i'll see what they say!

So that's as clear as mud!

[CaverD3]

The Hand Book ssems to imply they are suitable for forward facing seats with universal fitting (would appear to mean tethered).
Ask LR UK for confirmation?

[TheBadger]

Hi guys,

Did anyone come to a conclusion on this one?