a scary message about copenhagen

[F4Phantom]

I have not verified this but its worth a listen,

Untitled Page (http://www.uvzapit.com/scary.html)

[Gavo]

If you are alert to it you will hear political leaders say words thet are odd. the british pm said, he wanted a world tax to prevent a financial colaps. Bob Brown hinted the new world order.
Mosy people don't know where all the tax that thay want will go.
The media has no time at all for those who don't agree with the climate change crap.
All I know is that the vikings named greenland because it was green. It green now and the farmers are real happy.
There has to be some big force operating behind the shadows. Like the R12 and 134 thing. One of the chemecal companys patent ran out and the third world countries started making it. The company started the green on it result world ban result everone has to use there new gas. Which it worse on every respect.

[strangy]

If you cant trust the governments of the world, who can you trust?:wallbash:

[ATH]

How could any right thinking person do that? They've shown by their actions over the last 100 years or so (and probably for ever) that they can't possibly be trusted with anything except their own well being and status.
KRUDD would have to be the most duplicitous pollie we've ever had and if you listen to Jones's interview it'll show why he's always so busy trying to position himself as a World leader, probably having in mind the the top job running this proposed new World Government.
Just another huge gravy train with enormous powers which we'll all be a taxpaying part of whether we like it or not.
Alan.

PS. I can just hear now the shouts of the "warmists" that it's a deniers conspiracy and we'll all sink beneath the waves created by melting glaciers. Tossers.

[rockyroad]

Al Gore will be the president of the world and lil Kevin will be his deputy or maybe even the ambassador to the real world.

[numpty]

Al Gore will be the president of the world and lil Kevin will be his deputy or maybe even the ambassador to the real world.

Things have changed a bit, that's all. Remember the Dubya and "man of steel" show. :eek:

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Yeah Right! :no2:

That'll happen, I can just see France, China and Russia agreeing to a US world Leader and his deputy some guy who speaks Mandarin and English coming from where was it again? Oh yes that's right Australia, the place with the same population as Los Angeles, New York, London and a number of world cities.

Build a Bridge and get over it, It will never happen, the US will not agree and there it will end.

[Tombie]

If you cant trust the governments of the world, who can you trust?:wallbash:

Banks :wasntme:

[disco2hse]

At least you guys managed to avoid the Emissions Tax Scam, for now anyway. Ours got through and now its law, we get the pay through the teeth for some idiot-Chicken-Little inspired wet dream that we are all going to drown beneath the waves.

Trust governments and politicians? :eek: hahahahahahaha :Rolling: :Rolling: Not while they have a nest to feather.

I need them like I need

:bangin:




:wallbash:



:bangin:


Ahh, but it feels better when it stops.



:Thump:

Coz you can only rely on two things in life, right? Death and taxes.

Alan

[scrambler]

Coz you can only rely on two things in life, right? Death and taxes.

Alan

Isn't the idea of an ETS to postpone death through the use of taxes? logically, then, taxes are more powerful than death! :angel:(soon) :wasntme:

[disco2hse]

Isn't the idea of an ETS to postpone death through the use of taxes? logically, then, taxes are more powerful than death! :angel:(soon) :wasntme:

OMG you're so right :eek::eek:


So when I'm laying on my death bed and about to croak, prod me with a stick so I can say "Hang on a minute Mr. Death. I paid my ETS taxes so I can't die yet. Go away until my carbon credit is used up :p "

But that doesn't apply to youse fellas in Oz because the Liberals blocked your tax scam. You gonna die on time :p:p

Alan

[strangy]

Banks :wasntme:

But only the Major ones.:angel:

[strangy]

Is it just me or does anyone else think that Penny Wong is Kevins illegitimate love child.
Or is it a freaky coincidence that she looks just like him in every way:o:o including the haircut?

[tyreplus4x4]

:lol2::lol2::lol2::lol2::lol2:
Is it just me or does anyone else think that Penny Wong is Kevins illegitimate love child.
Or is it a freaky coincidence that she looks just like him in every way:o:o including the haircut?They also wear the same suits.

[THE BOOGER]

Sorry was going to post that pennys suit fits better:) but thought better dont want to upset anybody:p

[87County]

If you cant trust the governments of the world, who can you trust?:wallbash:

we all VOTE !

these are our "representatives".... ha ha

at least in this part of OZ we have elected independents who DO represent us (and aren't the parties annoyed !)

[disco2hse]

we all VOTE !

these are our "representatives".... ha ha

at least in this part of OZ we have elected independents who DO represent us (and aren't the parties annoyed !)

And that's one of the things that really annoys me about what they laughingly call democracy. They sold us a pup when they said we get to vote for who will lead us, but we only get to call the shots once every 3-4 years. The rest of the time they have free reign. They are only accountable to the voting public about four or five times in their professional lives! Sheesh, what a job :mad:

And this Scandinavian jolly jaunt. What's worse than having a bunch of pollies around bickering with each other all the time? When they all get together and try to outdo each other for the most scare talk, racing around screaming


"OMG OMG the sky, it's really falling this time!!!!"

Well, to all the pollies in this world, including the the socialist National PM we have here now :2up:

Alan

[disco2hse]

Contact Energy is ringing in the New Year by increasing its gas prices.

About 65,000 residential and business users will pay an average of 5 per cent more for gas from January 1.

Contact's move foreshadows expected rising energy bills as the effect of the emissions trading scheme is felt from the middle of next year.

From Contact gives the gas bill a New Year boost - National - NZ Herald News (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10614333&ref=rss)

Alan

[Lotz-A-Landies]

And that's one of the things that really annoys me about what they laughingly call democracy. They sold us a pup when they said we get to vote for who will lead us, but we only get to call the shots once every 3-4 years. The rest of the time they have free reign. They are only accountable to the voting public about four or five times in their professional lives! Sheesh, what a job :mad:...<snip>If the NZ pollies are like ours here, the parliamentary party dosen't even heed the decisions of their rank and file national congresses. They just go off and do as they feel.

In the days of the communication age and the Internet there is no reason that we can't have true democracy and everyone gets to choose to vote on any proposal on the floor of Parliament. We just need a few public servants to organise the agendas and departments to implement policy. Then any citizen who has a good idea can go to the floor of the House and speak to their proposed legislation, other citizens can choose to talk for or against it and then the vote is conducted via the internet. The proposal goes to the legislative writers is then published on the internet and the final Bill is approved or rejected on the floor of the Senate where any citizen can speak for or against the bill and the vote is once again via the internet. If the Bill is successful it becomes law and the public service implements the new law. If it fails it goes back to the house where it either dies or re-starts the process.

[disco2hse]

If the NZ pollies are like ours here, the parliamentary party dosen't even heed the decisions of their rank and file national congresses. They just go off and do as they feel.

I believe they are pretty much the same the world over, when the motivation is power and money.


In the days of the communication age and the Internet there is no reason that we can't have true democracy and everyone gets to choose to vote on any proposal on the floor of Parliament. We just need a few public servants to organise the agendas and departments to implement policy. Then any citizen who has a good idea can go to the floor of the House and speak to their proposed legislation, other citizens can choose to talk for or against it and then the vote is conducted via the internet. The proposal goes to the legislative writers is then published on the internet and the final Bill is approved or rejected on the floor of the Senate where any citizen can speak for or against the bill and the vote is once again via the internet. If the Bill is successful it becomes law and the public service implements the new law. If it fails it goes back to the house where it either dies or re-starts the process.

I like that idea but of course there will be those who will point to technology divide as a reason for sticking with what we have now.

We have the Westminster system with committees and opportunities for the public to make submissions on bills, however those voices are mixed up with well funded lobbyists who act for various parties who also want to be heard. Just because you make a submission doesn't mean it will be listened to of course.

In cases where submitters cannot attend a hearing the committee may be obligated to travel to hear the submission but that is rare.

The government gets around contentious bill delays by forcing them through under urgency. That means that some of the most damaging laws were passed in the middle of the night when no one was around to object to them. The Emissions Tax Scam and the Anti-Smacking legislation were both examples of this.

The last three referenda we had were derisively ignored by parliament. They are not binding and so those in power simply said 85% (in one case) of voters are wrong.

The idea of having continuous voting fills them with fear and when it was proposed here recently several politicians stood up to tell us why it is such a bad idea. Must have been a good idea ;)


Alan