FleetGuard Filters

[Jock The Rock]

Gday

The spare parts fellas at work sell Fleetguard filters. So I thought I might make the change from Ryco to Fleetguard as it works out a bit cheaper with the work discount

If Fleetguard are good enough to meet Cummins specs then thats good enough for me ;)

I was just wondering is anyone else running Fleetguard? and if your are; what are the filter numbers for your 300 Tdi?

Just the oil and fuel filters

I have already bought them but I'm just checking he's got me the right ones

Thanks

[Blknight.aus]

we run them at amberly on pretty much everything from some of the filters on the IMV to the ones on the donk that pulls back the cable after an arrest.

I use the cav equivelent one for the primaries on fozzy

[TonyC]

Gday

The spare parts fellas at work sell Fleetguard filters. So I thought I might make the change from Ryco to Fleetguard as it works out a bit cheaper with the work discount

If Fleetguard are good enough to meet Cummins specs then thats good enough for me ;)

I was just wondering is anyone else running Fleetguard? and if your are; what are the filter numbers for your 300 Tdi?

Just the oil and fuel filters

I have already bought them but I'm just checking he's got me the right ones

Thanks

I have just bought, but not yet fitted a LF3311, does this match up with your 300Tdi Oil filter number.

I can get Fleetguard locally and I assume/hope they are better than Ryco.

The one I have looks a bit shorter than the genuine LR one that's on there at the moment.

Tony

[123rover50]

Whats the micron rating on Fleetguard as compared to the 5 micron Lucas I use?

[Jock The Rock]

I have just bought, but not yet fitted a LF3311, does this match up with your 300Tdi Oil filter number.

I can get Fleetguard locally and I assume/hope they are better than Ryco.

The one I have looks a bit shorter than the genuine LR one that's on there at the moment.

Tony

Thanks mate

The filters are sitting on my bench at work awaiting the next service, I'll check that number tomorrow

Your right it does look a bit shorter than the Genuine but I think a little longer than the Ryco


Whats the micron rating on Fleetguard as compared to the 5 micron Lucas I use?

Sorry mate not sure

Might be worth having a look on their website

[mark2]

I noticed that the last Fleetguard fuel filter I bought for my Nissan TD42 was made in Indonesia:eek:

I've also used Fleetguard oil filters on the TD42 but have recently switched to Ryco (after trying lots of different filters)because the anti drain back valves on the Rycos are so much better - on startup the oil light now goes off in less than two seconds instead of about 5 with the Fleetguards. The Fleetguards apparently have a better filter medium, but I feel a lot happier when the oil light goes off so much quicker. TD42's are particularly fussy about drain back valves and it may not be an issue on a 300 Tdi.

[Bigbjorn]

Gday


If Fleetguard are good enough to meet Cummins specs then thats good enough for me ;)

Thanks

Fleetguard were Cummins house brand. They could hardly recommend use of another brand.

[groucho]

I had the debate years ago with the difference in price of AC filters for the GM's and fleetguard filters. They were made by the same company just painted different colours for different brand names.
Every brand name dose not necessarily make their own filters.
Generaly there is only a few companjes making the actual filters
under licence and to different specs.........
Fleetguard filters nothing wrong with them used them for years.
You will be surprised that under the the different paint logo
in many cases they are made by the same company...........

[101 Ron]

Yes alot of so called fleet guard filters are repainted ones made in Asia just like every thing else these days
Anyone who thinks one brand is better than another is wrong

[Bigbjorn]

.
You will be surprised that under the the different paint logo
in many cases they are made by the same company...........

Caterpillar filters were made by Donaldson. Don't know if this is still so.

If you knew the crossover numbers you could save substantial amounts by buying from a Donaldson outlet.

Donaldson's own retail shops could not sell these unless the local Caterpillar distributor approved. Hastings Deering in Qld. would not give permission, but (then) Waugh & Josephson in NSW had no problem with the Duralife shops selling filters for Caterpillar equipment.

[Jock The Rock]

I have just bought, but not yet fitted a LF3311, does this match up with your 300Tdi Oil filter number.

I can get Fleetguard locally and I assume/hope they are better than Ryco.

The one I have looks a bit shorter than the genuine LR one that's on there at the moment.

Tony

Hey mate

Just checked those numbers

LF3376 (oil) and FF5135 (fuel)

There is a fair chance mine could be the incorrect one though

[LOVEMYRANGIE]

Cummins online catalogue Cummins Filtration - Catalog - Catalog Map (http://www.cumminsfiltration.com/catalog/collectmanufacturer.do'reqCmd=Mfrcode&reqCatgryType=NONAjax)

Cheers

Andrew

[Jock The Rock]

Had a chat to the fella at work

There are two filters, one short and one long. Thats why we have the two different numbers

[rick130]

Whats the micron rating on Fleetguard as compared to the 5 micron Lucas I use?


Hmm, I wonder who make them for Lucas ?

The only filters i know that approach a nominal Beta2=6 (6 micron) are Donaldson filters using their Synteq media, Cumins/Fleetgaurd Stratapore media filters, Amsoil filters using Donaldson media and Baldwin's glass media (around beta2=7) and I'd guess some trick stuff from Mann-Hummel.

[groucho]

you be the judge.................












YouTube- Fleetguard the best

[Jock The Rock]

Good point yes

Be interesting to see the comparison with Baldwin, Genuine, Coopers and Ryco filters as compared to Fleetguard

[rick130]

I'm on dial-up so wont be watching the vid and have no idea the 'conclusion', but unless they have a bubble point tester to compare media efficiencies it isn't really worth a lot. IMO. ;)

The other point, and someone else made it above, is that all filter manufacturers only make a certain, sometimes limited range of filters, all the others in their range are re-branded someone else's filter.
Even the big guys like Cummins/Fleetguard, Donaldson and Mann-Hummel do this, let alone Wix, Purolator (now owned by Bosh and Mann-Hummel IIRC) Ryco, etc.
I have Fleetgaurd and Donaldson filters assembled by Champion Labs in the US, I've used Wix that were Sakura (made in Indonesia) with a Wix sticker over the Sakura one, Purolators from Korea, etc.

[isuzurover]

you be the judge.................


Fleetguard the best[/url]



No detail is given re the tests. However, since the FG filter is a synthetic media and the others are cellulose, it it is clear that in this case the FG filter would likely be superior.

[groucho]

If you look at y-tube there is a fair bit of info on filters.
Generaly it is the persons slant on the subject........... but
it shows all things are not equal........Mark

[Slunnie]

you be the judge.................

I think the only thing it really commented on there was build quality and specs rather than filtering qualities.

[CSK]

It apears that the Fleetgaurd has more pleated media so better filtration?

All I know is that I wont be touching a Fram product again. I changed the oil & filter on my 1990 Range Rover Vogue 3.9L V8 and it took 10 seconds for the oil light to go out on a cold start. I replaced the oil filter with a Mahle brand filter from my local Land Rover specialist and the oil light goes out immediatly.

Supercheap Autos im my area has ceased selling Fram products and now sell the Ryco range.

[101 Ron]

One fleetguard filter will be different from another as they are made from different companies.
Often when selling them you could some times see where they had been resprayed and were not fleetguard manufacture.
Ryco these days are made in New Zealand and China too.
The only company I know who make largely there own filters are Wix.
The first people to complain about Wix filters are people on this forum because of the price of the filters and therefore are hard to get in this country.
If you are looking for strength of the can and construction no one comes near Wix filter because of inhouse construction and you can feel this in the weight of the filters and burst pressure specs ect.
After saying all this I use any brand of filter on my own vehicles ( except air filters) as they all work and any brand which fails in service would soon be exposed very quickly
As for the small filters being fitted to cars these days so far as I am concerned they are nothing more than fly catchers and things that catch metal if the motor fails.
If you want a real lube filter look at the centrifical filters fitted to heavy engines and tractors and the landrover TD5 and far as I am concerned the only ones able to catch and hold micron size dirt over time in the real world when it really counts.
The facts are most wearing dirt particles which enter the motors oil are from induction air and poor engine reconditioning.

[groucho]

I think the only thing it really commented on there was build quality and specs rather than filtering qualities.

Go hand in hand wouldn't they ?

[rick130]

<snip>
The only company I know who make largely there own filters are Wix.
The first people to complain about Wix filters are people on this forum because of the price of the filters and therefore are hard to get in this country.
<snip>

re-read my post above Ron, they all re-brand filters. ;)
BTW, Wix assemble the brilliant Amsoil EaO oil filters...using Donaldson media !

But I do agree re the centrifuge filters.

[Slunnie]

Go hand in hand wouldn't they ?
Not necessarily as they are unrelated qualities, but you would hope so. Like you would expect a more expensive filter to filter more to a finer level, but thats not necessarily the case either.

I think Isuzurover found in his filter testing (thats his profession) that the OE filters were as good as they get for the TD5, so thats what I use.

[Utemad]

Ryco these days are made in New Zealand and China too.

I fitted a Ryco Z479 fuel filter to my 3.9 V8 Disco today. Made in Israel.

[rick130]

I fitted a Ryco Z479 fuel filter to my 3.9 V8 Disco today. Made in Israel.

FWIW GUD (Ryco) still have plants in NZ and South Africa and source the rest of their line from wherever.
They've been sourcing fuel filters from Israel for a long time, well before the Australian plant closed.

[Bigbjorn]

Hmm, I wonder who make them for Lucas ?

The only filters i know that approach a nominal Beta2=6 (6 micron) are Donaldson filters using their Synteq media, Cumins/Fleetgaurd Stratapore media filters, Amsoil filters using Donaldson media and Baldwin's glass media (around beta2=7) and I'd guess some trick stuff from Mann-Hummel.

Mustang 441 skid steer loaders, sold from 1979? to 1984, had a Cessna hydrostatic drive system. The charge filter was 40 micron and the pressure filter was 4 micron. I don't recall whose brand name was on the OEM filters. our spare parts people always had trouble sourcing after-market supplies. Our employer was notoriously tight-fisted and disliked keeping stock on the shelf so OEM filters that came from USA were not purchased in any quantity so often the spare people ran out of stock and tried to buy locally.

[slug_burner]

Had a chat to the fella at work

There are two filters, one short and one long. Thats why we have the two different numbers

according to cummins filtration catalog the replacements for the Z89A oil filter as used on the 300Tdi is the LF3376 (92mm high, 93.5 mm OD) ) or LF3378 same dimensions as the other but has a higher BPV setting (3376 @ 17.4 psi & 3378 @ 36.26 psi)

The LF3311 is a little different in dimensions (95.25 mm high, 96.27 mm OD) with a lower BPV setting (7.98 psi) than the above two.

BPV = Back Pressure Valve (I suspect that this is the back pressure at which the filter is bipassed)

[123rover50]

Hmm, I wonder who make them for Lucas ?

The only filters i know that approach a nominal Beta2=6 (6 micron) are Donaldson filters using their Synteq media, Cumins/Fleetgaurd Stratapore media filters, Amsoil filters using Donaldson media and Baldwin's glass media (around beta2=7) and I'd guess some trick stuff from Mann-Hummel.

Went to my local diesel bloke last week to stock up. He said cant get Lucas any more, they were bought out by DELPHI. So bought them instead. Supposed to be the same.
Delphi Automotive Systems
Troy, Michigan.

Didiman

[TNTech]

Just for the record, there is not a company out there that makes all its own filters, including Wix. Some of it is due to patents. One of the big differences is, Fleetguard does not pro rate its warranty. I don't know of any other company that can say that.

[isuzurover]

Just for the record, there is not a company out there that makes all its own filters,

Indeed.

I believe that Donaldson, Mann+Hummel (Mann Filter) and Fleetgard are still the 3 largest filter manufacturers worldwide. These 3 at least manufacture the majority of the filters they sell.

[CSK]

One of the big differences is, Fleetguard does not pro rate its warranty. I don't know of any other company that can say that.



What does this mean?

[Pedro_The_Swift]

big bump!

so how do I source a synthetic media oil filter?
Is there a designation on the packaging?

and can someone explain the BPV (back pressure valve?) amounts?

[rick130]

LF3487 is the Z9 equivalent, don't think they do a Z89A/ERR3340 size syn media filter.

It'll say 'Microglass' somewhere on the blurb if it is.

The ADBV is for anti-drain back, the BPV setting is the pressure at which the by-pass valve opens when the pressure differential across the media is too high, eg when the oil is cold (or the filter blocked)

The syn media filters flow a lot more than the paper ones.

I'm currently running an LF3487 on the Tdi.

[460cixy]

LF3487 is the Z9 equivalent, don't think they do a Z89A/ERR3340 size syn media filter.

It'll say 'Microglass' somewhere on the blurb if it is.

The ADBV is for anti-drain back, the BPV setting is the pressure at which the by-pass valve opens when the pressure differential across the media is too high, eg when the oil is cold (or the filter blocked)

The syn media filters flow a lot more than the paper ones.

I'm currently running an LF3487 on the Tdi.

I was looking at going to the larger z9 size filter but was worried about clearance. I gather your front prop has not become intimate with the filter?

[incisor]

The syn media filters flow a lot more than the paper ones.

if the flow heaps more, how do they catch as many baddies or more seeing it is only a media difference?

[rick130]

if the flow heaps more, how do they catch as many baddies or more seeing it is only a media difference?

Magik :angel:

Ben explained it once or twice before, I'll see if I can find a link.

Basically we (as in not filter engineer people :D ) tend think of a filter as a sieve, but that's not how they work with liquids.

Part of it is that the synthetic medias are much more consistent in their structure than a cellulose type one so are much more open for a given capture, and the way they work explains the rest and I have KRAFT ATM :angel:

[rick130]

I was looking at going to the larger z9 size filter but was worried about clearance. I gather your front prop has not become intimate with the filter?

Naa, the top of the diff does, but an angle grinder fixes that:D

It's still close though, and some might not be comfortable with the clearance but I've never split a filter in eight years or so, although one or two have shown the tiniest of marks at the base of the filter. (That's with 20-25mm of bump stop compression. I use standard bump stops too)

[460cixy]

Remote filter adaptor could be an option too I guess I recon the 89a is just a bit on the small size for a diesel

[Pedro_The_Swift]

Fleetguard SYN media equiv to a Z9 =
LF3487
around $33 at your local truck/cummins spares place.

[rick130]

Fleetguard SYN media equiv to a Z9 =
LF3487
around $33 at your local truck/cummins spares place.


Hmm, post # 35 p'hraps :angel:

(excl. the price :D)

[Pedro_The_Swift]

I was going to make it a sticky!!;)

[uninformed]

I ran the same fleetgaurd syn filter as Rick. Donaldson definitely make one also. I now just run the stock Flletgaurd or Donaldson filter as I do oik changes every 5k.