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geefish
15th December 2009, 09:33 AM
Heres a link to a youtube video I found of a 110 hi-capicity with an engine swap - a Cummins 6BT (6 cylinder diesel turbo)
The Rover is in England.
Just listen to the sound this thing makes!!
I'd rather have this then a V8 diesel Toyo!! :p

Thought some members would be interested.


YouTube- Cummins Land Rover

Cheers
G

Bearman
15th December 2009, 09:58 AM
Sounds awesome, but gee I felt a bit giddy after watching it. The cameraman needs an ale or two to steady his hand.

HBWC
16th December 2009, 02:10 AM
more info please the 6bt is a awusem motor

D-Fender
16th December 2009, 02:32 AM
Ohh Awesome!! I'm in love...

Gawd that'd **** the neighbors off.

isuzurover
17th December 2009, 07:02 PM
Here is another:

YouTube- 6BT 109 Land-Rover

Pretty sure this is the one owned by JP (handbuilt) from canada. It is a series landie running 38s :twisted:

I want one! (but a 6BD1T would be just as good...)

Sprint
17th December 2009, 11:52 PM
be interesting to see the difference in weight between a 6BT and a 6BD1T

though i'd say you'd probably rattle less fillings out with the cummins!

ADDO110
18th December 2009, 01:45 AM
does anyone no if it would be a hard conversion im in the US at the moment and the 6BT arent that expensive for low K motor

Sprint
18th December 2009, 09:44 PM
interestingly, theres also a 3.9L 4BT cummins..... almost identical bore/stroke to the isuzu, 3kw less than a 4BD1T, but 25nm more torque......

fwiw, wet weight of the Cummins 4BT is 338kg..... any idea what a 4BD1T weighs?

Bush65
19th December 2009, 07:07 AM
interestingly, theres also a 3.9L 4BT cummins..... almost identical bore/stroke to the isuzu, 3kw less than a 4BD1T, but 25nm more torque......

fwiw, wet weight of the Cummins 4BT is 338kg..... any idea what a 4BD1T weighs?
4BD1T weighs 327 kg according to my manual.

4BT and 4BD1T are very similar. 4BT has slightly longer stroke, but 4BD1T runs smoother, revs higher and IMHO is constructed with a bit more strength.

4BT is available in many variations of power output. Stock 4BD1T tuning is very conservative.

Edit: I had incorrectly said above 4BT torque curve is a lot flatter - my memory let me down, I was thinking of a set of curves (see below) comparing Isuzu 4BD2TC and Cummins 4BT, but it is the Isuzu 4BD2TC that has the flatter torque curve. The 4BT makes more torque at lower revs.

The 4BD1T torque curve is not as flat as the 4BD2TC - IMHO due to injection pump calibration for lower boost pressure and non inter cooled 4BD1T.

dobbo
19th December 2009, 08:22 AM
All this torque, give me plenty pulling power, all night loung lov you loungtine.

Can't say that about a V8

Sprint
19th December 2009, 02:08 PM
but 4BD1T runs smoother
when you say it runs smoother, do you mean in terms of driveability or NVH?

Bush65
19th December 2009, 03:16 PM
when you say it runs smoother, do you mean in terms of driveability or NVH?
NVH for 4BD1T is better than for a 4BT.

Disco_owner
19th December 2009, 04:24 PM
What's the engine capacity of a 6BT Cummins? That 110 Ute sounds very nice ? what would be a Typical gear fitted behind a 6BT?

Edit: Above should read Typical Gear Box fitted.

Bush65
19th December 2009, 07:04 PM
What's the engine capacity of a 6BT Cummins? That 110 Ute sounds very nice ? what would be a Typical gear fitted behind a 6BT?
5.9 litre if you are talking about the 12 valve version. I'm not sure of the displacement of the 24 valve and common rail versions - edit: current version is 6.7 litre.

Disco_owner
19th December 2009, 07:45 PM
Are the 4BT Cummins and 4BD1T on Par in terms of Torque and HP performance ?

HBWC
19th December 2009, 10:00 PM
interestingly, theres also a 3.9L 4BT cummins..... almost identical bore/stroke to the isuzu, 3kw less than a 4BD1T, but 25nm more torque......

fwiw, wet weight of the Cummins 4BT is 338kg..... any idea what a 4BD1T weighs?
...

Disco_owner
19th December 2009, 10:12 PM
...

pays to read all the posts:angel:

def-90
20th December 2009, 08:03 PM
bar the whistle mine had, i don't think that sounded all that different to my 4BD1, although on a 90 with a 3" straight through exhaust, no mufflers, etc

i'll look for some noise...

Bush65
21st December 2009, 10:20 AM
does anyone no if it would be a hard conversion im in the US at the moment and the 6BT arent that expensive for low K motor
I don't know how hard it would be, but here is a pic of a 6BT in a 109 engine bay.
Edit: This is the vehicle in the video clip that isuzurover provided a link to.

wovenrovings
21st December 2009, 10:56 AM
Now that looks like it is a tight fit.

ADDO110
23rd December 2009, 12:01 PM
i second that tight fit sounds like an under statement by the looks of that

waughloch
9th June 2011, 09:20 PM
The motor and trans in this Land Rover came from a Daf 45 roadrunner truck. It was mated to the LR Transfer case? The new 2.8LTR ISF Cummins engine is the beast to fit......
A ZF 5 or 6 speed manual gearbox will work with this engine.

LOVEMYRANGIE
9th June 2011, 11:22 PM
Here is another:

YouTube- 6BT 109 Land-Rover (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocNoI8XAuiI)

Pretty sure this is the one owned by JP (handbuilt) from canada. It is a series landie running 38s :twisted:

I want one! (but a 6BD1T would be just as good...)

Or a 6HE1TC.... yeah baby!!!

Did you ever measure up the engine bay for that 4HE1TC you had a look at on my showroom floor that day???

Andrew


Using Capitals, the difference between helping your Uncle Jack off a horse or helping your uncle jack off a horse...

Sprint
10th June 2011, 06:42 AM
hmm..... i know where theres a 6BD1T not doing anything.....

Marshall
10th June 2011, 08:59 AM
4B... $5000 full reco
Cummins 4B Engine *Reconditioned* | eBay (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Cummins-4B-Engine-Reconditioned-/230464982519?pt=AU_Car_Parts_Accessories&hash=item35a8c88df7)

Buy a whole truck and rip the lot out for $6000
1987 2250D International Acco Cummins 10 Speed | eBay (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/1987-2250D-International-Acco-Cummins-10-Speed-/190543095719?pt=AU_Trucks_Commercial_Vehicles&hash=item2c5d40e7a7)

or a "brand new" 6cyl for $5000
GENERATOR SET ONAN CUMMINS 6 CYL 3000 RPM | eBay (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/GENERATOR-SET-ONAN-CUMMINS-6-CYL-3000-RPM-/320707727004?pt=AU_Boat_Parts_Accessories&hash=item4aabab8e9c)

2234jones
12th June 2011, 03:52 PM
Try this video, it shows the engine in situ.

YouTube - ‪Land Rover Cummins 6BT‬‏


Land Rover 200 Tdi Defender owner (http://landroverfreak.blogspot.com)

juhroen
21st June 2011, 04:37 AM
i'm going to build a 6bt in a defender 90 :)

isuzurover
21st June 2011, 11:25 AM
Or a 6HE1TC.... yeah baby!!!

Did you ever measure up the engine bay for that 4HE1TC you had a look at on my showroom floor that day???

Andrew


I posted the measurements on here. It would fit. Slightly taller, but should be OK with a puma bonnet. The biggest issue is the starter is on the gearbox side on those engines, so some serious tunnel mods would be needed to run an isuzu box, or serious engine bellhousing mods to turn the starter around.

They would be a perfect option for a forward control landie though!

The exhaust is also on the driver's side, but that is less of an issue, as the 4JB1 is the same and they go in OK.

defender0z88
19th June 2015, 02:09 PM
I would love to place one of these babies in a defender/ d2a if the engine ever failed.
I am still struggling to pick if i want a defender or discover 2.
my misses loves the comfort. i love the 130 defenders with the big style side back with a canopy. storage space to the max.

ISF3.8 for Light Commercial Vehicle - Cummins Engines (http://cumminsengines.com/showcase-item.aspx?id=91&title=ISF3.8+for+Light+Commercial+Vehicle&Filters=0&Categories=99#overview)

have a look at the cummins motor. can get in australia now. and they don't rattle like the 4bt/6bt's do.

With torque ranging between 450-600 NM thats pretty impressive