Copenhagen what a joke!

[Benny_IIA]

Copy of an e-mail I got yesterday




Below is a list of the 114 Australian’s going to Copenhagen – we (you and I) are paying for all their travel, accommodation and meals – and we thought Kevin Rudd and Penny Wong were genuine about trying to cut greenhouse gases…
Read on and marvel:
Australia
H.E. Mr Kevin Michael Rudd Prime Minister
H.E. Ms. Penelope Wong Minister, Climate Change and Water Office of the Minister for Climate Change and Water
H.E. Ms. Louise Helen Hand Ambassador for Climate Change Department of Climate Change
Mr. David Fredericks Deputy Chief of Staff Department of the Prime Minister and Cabinet
Mr. Philip Green Oam Senior Policy Adviser, Foreign Affairs Department of the Prime Minister and Cabinet
Mr. Andrew Charlton Senior Adviser Department of the Prime Minister and Cabinet
Mr. Lachlan Harris Senior Press Secretary Prime Minister’s Office Office of Prime Minister
Mr. Scott Dewar Senior Adviser Office of Prime Minister
Ms. Clare Penrose Adviser Office of Prime Minister
Ms. Fiona Sugden Media Adviser Office of Prime Minister
Ms. Lisa French Office of the Prime Minister Office of Prime Minister
Mr. Jeremy Hilman Adviser Office of Prime Minister
Ms. Tarah Barzanji Adviser Office of Prime Minister
Mr. Kate Shaw Executive Secretary Office of Prime Minister
Ms. Gaile Barnes Executive Assistant Office of Prime Minister
Ms. Gordon de Brouwer Deputy Secretary Prime Minister and Cabinet
Mr. Patrick Suckling First Assistant Secretary, International Division Prime Minister and Cabinet
Ms. Rebecca Christie Prime Minister’s Office
Mr. Michael Jones Official Photographer Prime Minister and Cabinet
Mr. Stephan Rudzki
Mr. David Bell Federal Agent Australian Federal Police
Ms. Kym Baillie Australian Federal Police
Mr. David Champion Australian Federal Police
Mr. Matt Jebb Federal Agent Australian Federal Police
Mr. Craig Kendall Federal Agent Australian Federal Police
Mr. Ian Lane Squadron Leader Staff, Officer VIP Operations
Mr. John Olenich Media Adviser / Adviser to Minister Wong Office of the Minister for Climate Change and Water
Ms. Kristina Hickey Adviser to Minister Wong Office of the Minister for Climate Change and Water
Mr. Martin Parkinson Secretary Department of Climate Change
Mr. Howard Bamsey Special Envoy for Climate Change Department of Climate Change
Mr. Robert Owen-Jones Assistant Secretary, International Division Department of Climate Change
Ms. Clare Walsh Assistant Secretary, International Division Department of Climate Change
Ms. Jenny Elizabeth Wilkinson Policy Advisor Department of Climate Change
Ms. Elizabeth Mary Peak Principal Legal Adviser, International Climate Law Department of Climate Change
Ms. Kristin Tilley Director, Multilateral Negotiations International Division Department of Climate Change
Mr. Andrew Ure Acting Director, Multilateral Negotiations International Division Department of Climate Change
Ms. Annemarie Watt Director, Land Sector Negotiations International Division Department of Climate Change
Ms. Kushla Munro Director, International Forest Carbon Section International Division Department of Climate Change
Ms. Kathleen Annette Rowley Director, Strategic and Technical Analysis Department of Climate Change
Ms. Anitra Cowan Assistant Director, Multilateral Negotiations Department of Climate Change
Ms. Sally Truong Assisting Director, Multilateral Negotiations International Division Department of Climate Change
Ms. Jane Wilkinson Assistant Director Department of Climate Change
Ms. Tracey Mackay Assistant Director International Division Department of Climate Change
Ms. Laura Brown Assistant Director, Multilateral Negotiations International Division Department of Climate Change
Ms. Tracey-Anne Leahey Delegation Manager Department of Climate Change
Ms. Nicola Loffler Senior Legal Adviser, International Climate Law Department of Climate Change
Ms. Tamara Curll Legal Adviser, International Climate Law Department of Climate Change
Ms. Jessica Allen Legal Support Officer Department of Climate Change
Mr. Sanjiva de Silva Legal Adviser, International Climate Law Department of Climate Change
Ms. Gaia Puleston Political Adviser Department of Climate Change
Ms. Penelope Jane Morton Policy Adviser, Multilateral Negotiations (UNFCCC) International Division Department of Climate Change
Ms. Claire Elizabeth Watt Policy Advisor Department of Climate Change
Ms. Amanda Walker Policy Officer, Multilateral Negotiations Department of Climate Change
Mr. Alan David Lee Policy Adviser, Land Sector Negotiations Department of Climate Change
Ms. Erika Kate Oord Australian Stakeholder Manager Department of Climate Change
Mr. Jahda Kirian Swanborough Communications Manager Ministerial Communication Department of Climate Change
H.E. Mr. Sharyn Minahan Ambassador DFAT Diplomatic Mission of Australia to Denmark
Ms. Julia Feeney Director, Climate Change and Environment Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade
Mr. Chester Geoffrey Cunningham Second Secretary DFAT Diplomatic Mission of Australia to Germany
Ms. Rachael Virginia Cooper Executive Officer, Climate Change and Environment Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade
Ms. Rachael Grivas Executive Officer, Environment Branch Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade
Moya Elyn Collett Desk officer, Climate Change and Environment Section Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade
Mr. Rob Law Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade
Mr. Robin Davies Assistant Director General, Sustainable Development Group Australian Agency for International Development
Ms. Deborah Fulton Director, Policy and Global Environment Australian Agency for International Development
Ms. Katherine Renee Ann Vaughn Policy Advisor, Policy and Global Environment Australian Agency for International Development
Mr. Brian Dawson Policy Adviser Australian Agency for International Development
Mr. Andrew Leigh Clarke Deputy Secretary Department of Resources Development, Western Australia
Mr. Bruce Wilson General Manager, Environment Energy and Environment Division Department of Resources Development, Western Australia
Ms. Jill McCarthy Policy Adviser Department of Resources, Energy and Tourism
Mr. Simon French Policy Adviser Department of Agriculture, Fisheries and Forestry
Mr. Ian Michael Ruscoe Policy Adviser Department of Agriculture, Fisheries and Forestry
Mr. David Walland Acting Superintendent, National Climate Centre Bureau of Meteorology
Mr. Damien Dunn Senior Policy Adviser The Australian Treasury
Ms. Helen Hawka Fuhrman Policy Officer, Renewable Energy Policy and Partnerships
Mr. Scott Vivian Davenport Chief Economics NSW Department of Industry and Investment
Mr. Graham Julian Levitt Policy Manager, Climate Change NSW Department of Industry and Investment
Ms. Kate Jennifer Jones Minister, Climate Change and Sustainability Queensland Government
Mr. Michael William Dart Principal Policy Advisor Office of the Hon. Kate Jones MP Queensland Government
Mr. Matthew Anthony Jamie Skoien Senior Director, Office of Climate Change Queensland Government
Mr. Michael David Rann Premier, South Australia Department of Premier and Cabinet, Southern Australia
Ms. Suzanne Kay Harter Adviser Department of Premier and Cabinet, Southern Australia
Mr. Paul David Flanagan Manager, Communications Government of South Australia
Mr. Timothy William O’Loughlin Deputy Chief Executive, Sustainability and Workforce Management Department of Premier and Cabinet South Australian Government
Ms. Nyla Sarwar M.Sc student Linacre College University of Oxford
Mr. Gavin Jennings Minister, Environment and Climate Change and Innovation, Victorian Government
Ms. Sarah Broadbent Sustainability Adviser
Ms. Rebecca Falkingham Senior Adviser Victoria Government/Office of Climate Change
Mr. Simon Camroux Policy Adviser Energy Supply Association of Australia Limited
Mr. Geoff Lake Adviser Australian Local Government Association Sridhar Ayyalaraju Post Visit Controller DFAT Diplomatic Mission of Australia to Denmark
Mr. Tegan Brink Deputy Visit Controller and Security Liaison Officer Diplomatic Mission of Australia to Denmark
Ms. Melissa Eu Suan Goh Transport Liaison Officer and Consul DFAT Diplomatic Mission of Australia to Denmark
Ms. Lauren Henschke Support Staff DFAT Diplomatic Mission of Australia to Denmark
Ms. Maree Fay Accommodation Liaison Officer DFAT Diplomatic Mission of Australia to Denmark
Ms. Patricia McKinnon Communications Officer DFAT Diplomatic Mission of Australia to Denmark
Eugene Olim Paasport / Baggage Liaison Officer DFAT Diplomatic Mission of Australia to Denmark
Ms. Belinda Lee Adams
Ms. Jacqui Ashworth Media Liaison Officer Diplomatic Mission of Australia to Denmark
Ms. Patricia Smith Media Liaison Officer DFAT Diplomatic Mission of Australia to Denmark
Mr. Martin Bo Jensen Research and Public Diplomatic Officer DFAT Diplomatic Mission of Australia to Denmark
Mr. Mauro Kolobaric Consular Support DFAT Diplomatic Mission of Australia to Denmark
Ms. Susan Flanagan Consular Support DFAT Diplomatic Mission of Australia to Denmark
Mr. Stephen Kanaridis IT Support Officer DFAT Diplomatic Mission of Australia to Denmark
Mr. George Reid Support Staff DFAT Diplomatic Mission of Australia to Denmark
Ms. Ashley Wright Support Staff DFAT Diplomatic Mission of Australia to Denmark
Ms. Jodie Littlewood Support Staff DFAT Diplomatic Mission of Australia to Denmark
Mr. Thomas Millhouse Support Staff DFAT Diplomatic Mission of Australia to Denmark
Mr. Timothy Whittley Support Staff Driver DFAT Diplomatic Mission of Australia to Denmark
Ms. Julia Thomson Diplomatic Mission of Australia to Denmark
Mr. Donald Frater Chief of Staff to Minister Wong Office of the Minister for Climate Change and Water
Ms. Jacqui Smith Media Liaison DFAT Diplomatic Mission of Australia to Denmark
Mr. Greg French Senior Legal Advisor, Environment Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade
Mr. Jeremy Hillman Advisor PMO





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[weeds]

looks about right:eek:

[td express]

Im sure they have forgotten someone, somewhere.

:eek:

[johnclv]

I Agree - it is a joke - but for other reason

The have only been recording weather for the last 160 years so how do they know that this is not some weather pattern that comes around every 200 or 500 years????

[Slunnie]

Who really cares? I don't care if they take the baggage boys pet snake. The main thing to me is that they do everything that they can to govern properly and if this is what they feel is needed (which they obviously do and have justified) then thats fine. A half assed effort would be worse.

[isuzurover]

I Agree - it is a joke - but for other reason

The have only been recording weather for the last 160 years so how do they know that this is not some weather pattern that comes around every 200 or 500 years????

That is a different thread.

If you look back through it you can find some ice core data I posted - which goes back a LOT further than 160 years.

Btw - thermometers (and temperature records - in some places) have been around since the early 1700s.

[td express]

One thing I did notice about the list of personnal, is the surprising lack of names with ''Dr'' or ''Phd'', or ''Prof"" attached to them.
I would of thought that input from such minds would have been important to the cause, as surely these people would have some idea on the best course of action to address climate control, or if we are just experiencing some sort of cyclical weather pattern.
Plenty of advisors though..

[Ferret]

One thing I did notice about the list of personnal, is the surprising lack of names with ''Dr'' or ''Phd'', or ''Prof"" attached to them.

I think the world scientific input has already been received. It is now time for some world political input. Of course, that is very much harder to do.

[isuzurover]

I think the world scientific input has already been received. It is now time for some world political input. Of course, that is very much harder to do.

What he said.

Btw - "Mr. Stephan Rudzki" is a military medical doctor. I am not sure why they have left the titles out...?

[d2dave]

This is a copy of an email which just arrived from senetor Steve Fielding.

Thank you for signing my climate change petition and for demanding greater accountability of the Government.

As supporters of the petition I wanted to give you a personal update of what I’ve been up to at the Copenhagen Climate Conference.

Since I arrived in Copenhagen on Saturday I’ve been busy at the COP
15 conference hearing numerous speakers as well as meeting with a number of politicians from around the world and various NGOs.

One interesting person who I sat beside was Borjn Lomberg. Although Mr Lomberg is actually on the record as believing that carbon dioxide emissions are the leading cause of climate change, he was still very critical of scheme like the Rudd Government’s CPRS and thought it was bad public policy. According to Mr Lomberg, an ETS will not do anything to stop climate change and will just be a big windfall for the bankers and brokers and other financial institutions, while ordinary Australian families are left to foot the bill. Given that there is clearly a growing opposition to the government’s CPRS, and now even from people like Mr Lomberg who don’t have questions about the science, it’s now clearer than ever that we need a proper inquiry into the scheme before we go any further with it.

As far as what is happening here in relation to negotiations between the different countries, to be blunt things are a total mess and it doesn’t appear likely that there’ll be any meaningful agreement by Friday.

However, there is talk of a three tiered system which would see one rule for China and the US, another for developed nations and compensation for the rest.

This is hardly a fair deal as it will disadvantage Australia and impact upon many hard working families. This is something we don’t want to see happen as it would destroy our economy and see thousands of jobs being booted offshore.

Debate about whether man made carbon dioxide emissions are the main driver of climate change has been muted over here, but that only makes me more determined to find why the temperature over the last 15 years has remained steady while carbon dioxide emissions have sky rocketed.

As things develop further I’ll keep you posted.

Regards,

Steve F


Dave.

[p38arover]

I couldn't care less about climate change. I'll be dead in 20 years (or less).

[VladTepes]

My wife hates winter so presumably if we are getting global warming that'd be a good thing !

[JamesH]

One thing I did notice about the list of personnal, is the surprising lack of names with ''Dr'' or ''Phd'', or ''Prof"" attached to them.
I would of thought that input from such minds would have been important to the cause, as surely these people would have some idea on the best course of action to address climate control, or if we are just experiencing some sort of cyclical weather pattern.
Plenty of advisors though..


Dr, Prof or PhD; I wouldn't trust those minds with my lunch money, and they want a lot more of it than my lunch allocation. And the trouble is they are absolutely certain they have the right to help themselves to it with no thought at all to the trouble I took to earn it. Those people are not accountable and hate it when they are held to account.

No, you can laugh but these decisions belong to the pollies who have to face us in the ballot box.

[JLo]

This is a copy of an email which just arrived from senetor Steve Fielding.

Thank you for signing my climate change petition and for demanding greater accountability of the Government.

As supporters of the petition I wanted to give you a personal update of what I’ve been up to at the Copenhagen Climate Conference.

Since I arrived in Copenhagen on Saturday I’ve been busy at the COP
15 conference hearing numerous speakers as well as meeting with a number of politicians from around the world and various NGOs.

One interesting person who I sat beside was Borjn Lomberg. Although Mr Lomberg is actually on the record as believing that carbon dioxide emissions are the leading cause of climate change, he was still very critical of scheme like the Rudd Government’s CPRS and thought it was bad public policy. According to Mr Lomberg, an ETS will not do anything to stop climate change and will just be a big windfall for the bankers and brokers and other financial institutions, while ordinary Australian families are left to foot the bill. Given that there is clearly a growing opposition to the government’s CPRS, and now even from people like Mr Lomberg who don’t have questions about the science, it’s now clearer than ever that we need a proper inquiry into the scheme before we go any further with it.

As far as what is happening here in relation to negotiations between the different countries, to be blunt things are a total mess and it doesn’t appear likely that there’ll be any meaningful agreement by Friday.

However, there is talk of a three tiered system which would see one rule for China and the US, another for developed nations and compensation for the rest.

This is hardly a fair deal as it will disadvantage Australia and impact upon many hard working families. This is something we don’t want to see happen as it would destroy our economy and see thousands of jobs being booted offshore.

Debate about whether man made carbon dioxide emissions are the main driver of climate change has been muted over here, but that only makes me more determined to find why the temperature over the last 15 years has remained steady while carbon dioxide emissions have sky rocketed.

As things develop further I’ll keep you posted.

Regards,

Steve F


Dave.

Just a junket for that halfwit. He has waited until he was in Denmark before he spoke to an Australian scientist!


Cheers
JLo

[td express]

''No, you can laugh but these decisions belong to the pollies who have to face us in the ballot box.''


Who's laughing, when the leaders of the most powerful countries on the planet, get together to try and work out how they are going to address the APPARENT global warming issue and all walk away without deciding on anything. If you were to believe in the affects of global warming, then Im fairly certain an outcome of any sort is better than nothing at all.
The only decisions pollies make are the ones that will line their pockets, not the ones that will help you or I.

I would give my lunch money to any Dr, Prof, if it meant finding an answer or atleast some type of result which is much more than you will get off any pollie.

But yes you are right, they will face us in the ballot box.

[olbod]

I couldn't care less about climate change. I'll be dead in 20 years (or less).

Me too.
Sick of hearing about it, sick of hearing about tiger woods, sick everytime I hear that obama voice and crap that comes out of its mouth, sick of hearig about bad iran and what we are going do to them, sick of hearing all of the complaints despite the fact that they voted for the Turds, sick of it I tell you, sick of it.

Now where was I ? Oh yes, on the Forum and looking for new Landrover pics !!!
In my own little isolated way, I enjoy every new day.

Cheers, eh.

[rfurzer]

What he said.

Btw - "Mr. Stephan Rudzki" is a military medical doctor. I am not sure why they have left the titles out...?

I spotted that name too. I wonder what a sports medicine physician and administrator is up to with that lot.

BTW Isuzurover were you military in Canberra?

[Jamo]

Prime Ministers always travel with big entourages which include doctors, protective service personnel etc.

It's partly so they have the best advice at their fingertips (just because this is a climate change conf doesn't mean other issues aren't discussed in the background) and partly an ancient thing to do with ego! ie my entourage must reflect my status.

The list may have been made up by a diplomat, junior civil servant or someone external to Australia. There is also a Sqn Ldr there whose rank is after is name in the list.

[d2dave]

Prime Ministers always travel with big entourages which include doctors, protective service personnel etc.

It's partly so they have the best advice at their fingertips (just because this is a climate change conf doesn't mean other issues aren't discussed in the background) and partly an ancient thing to do with ego! ie my entourage must reflect my status.

The list may have been made up by a diplomat, junior civil servant or someone external to Australia. There is also a Sqn Ldr there whose rank is after is name in the list.

With Kevin 747 I think you have hit the nail on the head with ego.

Dave.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

I spotted that name too. I wonder what a sports medicine physician and administrator is up to with that lot.

BTW Isuzurover were you military in Canberra?He may also be qualified as a surgeon in which case his title IS "Mr".

We have a surgeon Mr Susan Adams, (although she rarely if ever uses the title) I'm sure there are many others out there.

Diana

[INter674]

what worries me is that the Federal Government can't even get an insulation scheme designed to reduce carbon emissions to work back home without it being rorted by migrant students and shonky so-called 'installers' using poisonous Chinese made batts never mind save the Planet in time!!!

Face facts, Politicians neve worry about things more than 2 years out from their election to office......Frankly, why do we pretend? Just face the reality and enjoy what time we have left.....I tell my kids the World is stuffed, so get used to it!!

[PhilipA]

I didn't get on a list when I carried Bob Hawke's bags. or maybe I did but there was no internet those days to see it.
No justice is there.
Regards Philip A

[VladTepes]

With Kevin 747 I think you have hit the nail on the head with ego.

Dave.

ahem, 737

[ATH]

I read just a few minutes ago that the developing countries who will be the recepients of all the taxpayers money from developed countries supposedly to help them overcome the problems caused by us, want direct access to the funds as they have been disappointed in the past at restrictions put on money supposedly given to them for various aid projects.
As they say "Aid is poor peoples in rich countires giving money to rich people in poor countries".
Even the UN says that the biggest export from developing countries is money and their Swiss bank accounts get even fatter.
But no doubt KRUDD will fix all that.:D
Alan.

[rfurzer]

He may also be qualified as a surgeon in which case his title IS "Mr".

We have a surgeon Mr Susan Adams, (although she rarely if ever uses the title) I'm sure there are many others out there.

Diana

Rudders is NOT a surgeon . He is a sports physician and is "Dr" (or colonel).