Fact or Fiction

[Grumpy]

Heard the other day that the TD5 cranks have trouble around 300,000 Km and the only fix is a new short motor. In other words they s**t them selves. :eek: :unsure:
Also, all of the small high performance diesels bugger up fairly quickly due to the power being extracted.
Fact or fiction???

Tony :wheelchair:

[PAT303]

Yep it's a fact,all small diesels fail at 300k on the button and yes Td5 cranks go soft and you need to spend 10 grand for a new engine as they cannot be rebuilt because thier European so parts are impossible to get and very exxy and they aren't made to be repaired,I know all this for a fact because a bloke down the pub said it and his cousin works for Toyota and told him,he also drives a Toyota. Pat

[LandyAndy]

55000ks and I will let you know.
Andrew

[Slunnie]

I've never heard that re the crank - people would be well aware of that by now.

I think that there are some high power small capacty engines from other manufacturers that don't have durability due to melting pistons etc. The TD5 is not one of those.

[Grumpy]

55000ks and I will let you know.
Andrew


215,000 and counting. Just hope it doesn't happen while we are out bush.

Tony :wheelchair:

[Grumpy]

I've never heard that re the crank - people would be well aware of that by now.


Appears to be just starting to happen over here in the West.
Thinking about getting onto the mob who service my Disco and see what they say.

Tony :wheelchair:

[Pedro_The_Swift]

As usual, Pats on the money,,
LR have been stocking up on cranks waiting for the "fleet" to gather mileage,,

[roverv8]

Yep it's a fact,all small diesels fail at 300k on the button and yes Td5 cranks go soft and you need to spend 10 grand for a new engine as they cannot be rebuilt because thier European so parts are impossible to get and very exxy and they aren't made to be repaired,I know all this for a fact because a bloke down the pub said it and his cousin works for Toyota and told him,he also drives a Toyota. Pat


Great!
People invest in diesel powered engines because of there durability & economical to run
300k & 10 grand later,
no offence to anyone, & is only my opinion, but i think I'll stick to the V8 on LPG.
Luke

[PhilipA]

Ehmmm>
I just have a suspicion that this thread is a TROLL followed by a JOKE, followed by a HOOKING.

Regards Philip A

[Blknight.aus]

I call fiction.

[rovercare]

Great!
People invest in diesel powered engines because of there durability & economical to run
300k & 10 grand later,
no offence to anyone, & is only my opinion, but i think I'll stick to the V8 on LPG.
Luke

Did you have the man come around, asking to inspect and modify your dictionary as the word "gullible" has now been removed?

[roverv8]

Ehmmm>
I just have a suspicion that this thread is a TROLL followed by a JOKE, followed by a HOOKING.

Regards Philip A

Well, im familiar with large truck engines, 550 HP doing well over a million km's no problem but i can't say im familiar with these small TD5 engines,for all i know there could of been a crank problem although i must admit ive never read anything like it before
Still think i'll stick to the V8

[midal]

Yep, no doubt about it....far too much "cranking" going on here. Time to change hands folks;)

Cheers
Mick

[PAT303]

The bloke who told me about them also said that if Zero's were made by Toyota instead of Mitsubishi the Japanese would have won the war. Sorry mate by my Tdi is closing in on 500,000k's and it goes as good today as it did when new,my 3.0Td in the Rangie runs like a train and the 2.7 in the D3's aren't giving any trouble at all,the D3 would be the most vice free vehicle on the road even though it has the smallest engine in it's class. Pat

[roverv8]

thanx PAT303
After a late saturday night and a belly full of beer, the last thing i should of done is get on the forum at 7.30am in the morning, need i say more!! ;)

[Disco44]

It's a pity that Landrover in the UK did not go ahead with "operation Iceberg" (
early 1980's)which was the prototype diesel of the then used 3.5 V8.It was pulled because of funds.Big mistake I say.
Had this gone ahead everyone would have been happy..a V8 and diesel.
John ( disco 44

[DeanoH]

" Many a true word is said in jest........... "

Now, if you were talking about the 3 litre Nissan Patrol diesel engine then the mileage before failure (300K) has been way over estimated. The sort of engine you wouldn't have have for free!

Deano

[Sprint]

Now, if you were talking about the 3 litre Nissan Patrol diesel engine then the mileage before failure (300K) has been way over estimated

dont you think saying a ZgrenadeD30 lasts only 300km is a bit harsh?

[PAT303]

I'd like to add that many many times the small overstressed engine debate has been posted on many forums by people that have idea's and opinions based on zero knowledge or experience,there is NO faults with the ZD30 engine,the fault is in the engine management system that controls the engine,end of story.The Td5 has a very good system to de-rate the output and limp mode the engine if any of the parameters that could cause damage are exceeded.On open forums such as ExplorOz there are far to many keyboard hero's only too happy to pass on thier ''facts'' as gospal. Pat

[stig0000]

[QUOTE=PAT303;1145613]I'd like to add that many many times the small overstressed engine debate has been posted on many forums by people that have idea's and opinions based on zero knowledge or experience,there is NO faults with the ZD30 engine,the fault is in the engine management system that controls the engine,end of story.The Td5 has a very good system to de-rate the output and limp mode the engine if any of the parameters that could cause damage are exceeded.On open forums such as ExplorOz there are far to many keyboard hero's only too happy to pass on thier ''facts'' as gospal. Pat[/QUOTE

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[LOVEMYRANGIE]

It's a pity that Landrover in the UK did not go ahead with "operation Iceberg" (
early 1980's)which was the prototype diesel of the then used 3.5 V8.It was pulled because of funds.Big mistake I say.
Had this gone ahead everyone would have been happy..a V8 and diesel.
John ( disco 44

Iceberg was pulled by funds yes, but the funds ran out as they could not get it to hold together in diesel form and they ran out of primary design funds.
The cranks in the 4.2 were the cranks that were to be used in the diesel, but unfortunately it never eventuated.
If the block was cast in iron rather than aluminium then it would have been a different story all together...

If you do a search on this in the forum there is quite an interesting article on it.
Think Wiki has something on it also.
Cheers

Andrew

[BigJon]

,there is NO faults with the ZD30 engine,the fault is in the engine management system that controls the engine,end of story.

Surely they are two sides of the same coin? The engine won't work without the engine management...

[PAT303]

The one I looked at was running with no boost control and no fuel metering control so you can't blame the engine for that,you can't blame the ecu either as it has no redundancy to deal with the problem.For all LR's faults they do have the ECU's done right,Toyota's just stop and can't be restarted and Nissan don't have anything at all. Pat

[Dougal]

Surely they are two sides of the same coin? The engine won't work without the engine management...

Certainly. But if they'd done a better job of engine management there'd be no stink.
The lower power ZD30's (wastegated turbos etc) used in the navaras appear boringly reliable but they have a different engine management system.

The even smaller and more highly stressed YD25 motors seem to get along just fine too.

[scarry]

How many bottom end failures on TD5's has anyone seen on this site.Remember many of these engines are 10yrs old.....
And i bet many of them don't get serviced as often as they should be.

Buggar all



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[Blknight.aus]

IVe seen 7 stuffed td5s total

3 were bottom end failures bought about by the oil pump bolt deal,
1 was a no oil deal after a ruptured rear main
3 were pushed on after a cooling system faiure resulting in 2 done heads and 1 done head and siezed block.

[Lucus]

I dont understand the implication that the TD5 is a small overstressed engine...;)

It was designed and built to produce the power and torque it does. We are not talking a 2.5ltr NA engine that has had a hackney turbo installation done and now produces upwards of 50% more power and torque than the original design allowed for.

If a TD5 is chipped and intercooled and exhausted to within an inch of its life and produces upwards of 200kws and ellevety billion NM's then i think its fair to say that its a highly stress "small" diesel. But thats not apples for apples is it??

oh its got a computer....that must be bad right...?:p

[justinc]

I'm with Dave there, only Td5's I've seen fail had direct causes, like oil pump bolt falling out, severe overheating, etc etc. Not 1 I have seen has just 'stopped' for no reason.

I haven't yet seen a dog of one either.

NONE with an oil consumption issue, NONE with any internal or valve train noises, only 1 with premature cam hardfacing wear. A few rear main leaks and head gasket/ dowel problems, the odd turbo failure from neglect, BUT these are a tough engine. Try extracting 450Nm and 160KW from a 2.8 (3L) or even a 3.0 (5L) Toy-mota and see how long it lasts. Actually, it'd never happen in a fit.

These engines are well designed on the whole, some have a few silly issues but nothing that isn't now quite well documented.

Sure it may have a computer driving it, but even the computer controlled Jap stuff (Maybe with the exception of the Mitsu Di-D) can't come close in terms of reliably punching out these numbers.

I may have a Tdi and a 4BD1t, but that is my personal choice. I would have a D2a Td5 auto in a blink if my RRC ever became untenable. (perish the thought:o)

I say 'Bah' to all those Td5 detractors:p

JC

[rovercare]

I say 'Bah' to all those Td5 detractors:p

JC

I'll stick with my zuzu:angel::D

[justinc]

I'll stick with my zuzu:angel::D

...Mmmm, well, so will I:angel::wasntme: - for now.


JC

[rovercare]

...Mmmm, well, so will I:angel::wasntme: - for now.


JC

I definately will, I got 3 of them to kill..........probably outlast me........or eternity, which ever comes first:D

[justinc]

I definately will, I got 3 of them to kill..........probably outlast me........or eternity, which ever comes first:D

:D:D:D:D I was just thinking about it this afternoon, in all likelihood my RR will eventually be in bits and the engine will live on in its 3rd vehicle shell:p

gotta love them:)


Its gonna hurt when I start cutting into those rear doors Matt....:( its real hard to see what you are doing with the angle grinder with tears in your eyes and rolling down you cheeks:( :( :-


JC

[rovercare]

Its gonna hurt when I start cutting into those rear doors Matt....:( its real hard to see what you are doing with the angle grinder with tears in your eyes and rolling down you cheeks:( :( :-


JC

Nah, its great, my facial expression is kinda like:twisted:

BUT, I do remember my first time:wub:

Having put more RR's in the scrap than most here have ever owned, you get the distorted thing about you:wasntme:

[LOVEMYRANGIE]

I'd like to add that many many times the small overstressed engine debate has been posted on many forums by people that have idea's and opinions based on zero knowledge or experience,there is NO faults with the ZD30 engine,the fault is in the engine management system that controls the engine,end of story.The Td5 has a very good system to de-rate the output and limp mode the engine if any of the parameters that could cause damage are exceeded.On open forums such as ExplorOz there are far to many keyboard hero's only too happy to pass on thier ''facts'' as gospal. Pat

While I do agree here on the general overview, the ZD30 actually did in its earlier life have a few technical issues that are engine related. The piston crown coating was well known for delaminating causing fragments to detonate an engine, BUT, this was only ever seen in engines fitted to Pootrols, not Navara's. The main difference between the two was the Pootrol was intercooled where the Navara wasn't. The power trying to be generated from the Pootrol was, in a nutshell, "excessive" based on its size for its application and required output.
The main issue was with the boost sensor failing with the ECU reading it as full boost rather than failing to no boost. This caused the ECU to continue fueling the engine and totally missing the fact that the wastegate was closed at 30+psi pressure. More revs, more boost, more fuel, more BANG!!!! when it lets go. This is the non engine related issue that was more common.
I supplied in 2007 approximately 90-100+ engine kits, all OEM and or Genuine, to engine builders here in WA who all had failures coming from Pootrols.
A mate of mine works for one of WA's biggest Nissan dealers, who had a constant stream of engine failures for these reasons, again from Pootrols.
Nissan carried out their "warranty" work on these for some 12-18 months AFTER the official period had expired as it was an on going thing.
And thats the fact Jack!!

I have covered this some time ago on these engines before, so a search may pull it up.

Cheers

Andrew

[rovercare]

^^^^ yep, I remember my mates saying, the smart owners would come in with complaints of "excessive performance":D

[Dougal]

^^^^ yep, I remember my mates saying, the smart owners would come in with complaints of "excessive performance":D

A fishing mate of a workmate blew his up on the way back from a fishing trip. He was passing whole lines of cars while towing the boat.:D