For all the Mac haters amongst us.

[Captain_Rightfoot]

I just know you'll all like this.

I admit it: I'm a bigot. A hopeless bigot at that: I know my particular prejudice is absurd, but I just can't control it. It's Apple. I don't like Apple products. And the better-designed and more ubiquitous they become, the more I dislike them. ....

Better the broken Windows than life with the Mac monks (http://www.theage.com.au/digital-life/computers/better-the-broken-windows-than-life-with-the-mac-monks-20091103-huew.html)

:D

:wasntme:

[dmdigital]

:D

As Yoda would say: So much better than PC's, Mac's are. Yes, hmmm.

[p38arover]

Yep! Macs are so bloody hard to use! I can't help my wife with hers so i've given up even trying.

[Captain_Rightfoot]

Yep! Macs are so bloody hard to use! I can't help my wife with hers so i've given up even trying.

LOL. If Weeds can do it... so can you! :D :D :wasntme:

[dmdigital]

And there's a spell checker, dictionary and thesaurus link from any text entry box! Ron, would be in spelling nirvana:cool:

[Dmmos]

:Rolling: :Rolling: :Rolling:

You really should try a Mac though, they're great :)

:wasntme:

[p38arover]

:Rolling: :Rolling: :Rolling:

You really should try a Mac though, they're great :)

:wasntme:

I could use my wife's older Mac laptop that's in the cupboard if I really wanted to.

I don't.

[weeds]

LOL. If Weeds can do it... so can you! :D :D :wasntme:

Oi......but he is right

[Dmmos]

I could use my wife's older Mac laptop that's in the cupboard if I really wanted to.

I don't.

lol - you've got it bad...

[350RRC]

Well.............. a PC using guy I work with sometimes doing freshwater fish stuff in 'the field' used to have similar sentiments to Cap'n R's link header.

He's just got himself a new MB pro and it's really funny to see him just pick it up and say 'I can't believe how well this is made'.

He's used it a tiny bit in his 'transition' and all he will say now is 'wish I'd done this years ago'. Hasn't even done any work on it yet, I'll let you all know how much time (money) he thinks he's saved when he makes the big shift. (which won't be that big coz he can run windows on it anyway).

His old PCs cost both of us serious bucks in stupid reboot time in the boonies when Monica happens.

cheers, DL

[Rosscoe68]

yep, i agree totally, lets all jump on the bandwagon, a whole 5% of the world PC sales are apple mac.
On that, if every person in aus bought a pc, then 1,100,000 of Australias' population would buy Apple and the other 20,900,000 would buy a pc. interesting.
HP and Dell alone each outsell Apple by 4 to 1.
But yeah, i am now sure that 95% of the pc market have got it wrong and should have bought an apple. :twisted:

[350RRC]

William Blake (the poet, not Johnny Depp in Dead Man) wrote:

'............... some are born to sweet delight, and some are born to endless night.............'

cheers, DL

[hoadie72]

yep, i agree totally, lets all jump on the bandwagon, a whole 5% of the world PC sales are apple mac.
On that, if every person in aus bought a pc, then 1,100,000 of Australias' population would buy Apple and the other 20,900,000 would buy a pc. interesting.
HP and Dell alone each outsell Apple by 4 to 1.
But yeah, i am now sure that 95% of the pc market have got it wrong and should have bought an apple. :twisted:

Yes but how many German's supported Hitler? Didn't make the majority right though...

[miky]

Yes but how many German's supported Hitler? Didn't make the majority right though...

:confused::confused::confused:

[Rosscoe68]

Yes but how many German's supported Hitler? Didn't make the majority right though...

heh, i got nothing ....

[cartm58]

You of course realise that Macs are the Land Rovers of the PC world and Windows is like owning a Toyota

[weeds]

You of course realise that Macs are the Land Rovers of the PC world and Windows is like owning a Toyota

spot on..........so you all should go out and buy a mac instead of being closet toyota lovers

[Lotz-A-Landies]

And there's a spell checker, dictionary and thesaurus link from any text entry box! Ron, would be in spelling nirvana:cool:Ron doesn't need a spell checker link from every text entry box, Ron already has full English lexicon software burned into his hardware, he accesses it via the neural net in his visual cortex! :D

[Dmmos]

yep, i agree totally, lets all jump on the bandwagon, a whole 5% of the world PC sales are apple mac.
On that, if every person in aus bought a pc, then 1,100,000 of Australias' population would buy Apple and the other 20,900,000 would buy a pc. interesting.
HP and Dell alone each outsell Apple by 4 to 1.
But yeah, i am now sure that 95% of the pc market have got it wrong and should have bought an apple. :twisted:

Just as 95% of the auto market has it wrong and should have bought a Land Rover? :angel:

[Captain_Rightfoot]

Just as 95% of the auto market has it wrong and should have bought a Land Rover? :angel:

Do you think that if more people actually tried a LR they would buy one? I'm not saying all of them would, but probably a significant number would.

Apple is a bit like that... lots of knockers but rarely from people that have actually had a go at using one. You really need to use them for a while or else the frustration of being unlike what people are used to turns them off. The interface is a little different but then so is the interface in vista and 7 (being copies of OS X)

[Grover-98]

I had a good laugh reading that! being a Mac owner i was once against them then one of these Monks over a couple years converted me (a mate of mine who was also converted by his brother monk)...

I have since began converting people... :angel:

James.

[HangOver]

do I jump in and rant and rave or do I not :angel:

[omvanders]

Many years ago I owned an Apple IIE (it had an amazing 64k of internal memory) and then I changed over to the 'dark side'. Years later it took a chance encounter, followed by another ever so brief little flirtation, and I was back on the path to enlightenment.

Now, 3 years later, I'm fully converted from my back-slidden ways. My Apple MacBook Pro Core2Duo is still going strong, not the slightest hint of trouble, still powering up in a fraction of the time that I used to waste, and still not the slightest hint of a viral sneeze. Oh what bliss!

Trouble is, in our household I remain surrounded by those inferior machines - and not so knowledgable users - so I'm forever finding myself fixing up antivirus updates, hardware conflicts and general 'issues' with the damn things. Ah well... life wasn't meant to be easy!

[Disco]

Macs make great fishing sinkers ... seriously!

[onemore]

Is it true that Macs don't get virus attacks? If it is true then I would be saving money by not having to buy these anti-virus programmes.
I had a anti-virus thing installed when I got onto Bigpond, was going good for a while until it wouldn't download the latest anti-virus settings. I was on the phone for a week trying to communicate with non-english speaking people. When that didn't work I called Telstra and complained about the trouble with conversing with these people at their call centres.
Their replay was that they weren't discrimatory in their policy of hiring people.
To cut this short I ended up deleting the anti-virus programme and having to buy something else.
So if Macs don't have problems with viruses that is where I am heading.
Cheers,
Mike

[HangOver]

Apple OS does get virus's/trojan's not many but they are out there.
Save yourself some $$$ and downloads microsofts FREE anti-virus program:

http://www.microsoft.com/Security_Essentials/

[Blknight.aus]

only reason I dont use mac personally is all the people I do service and support for use bloody windows and not mac or unix/linux so Im stuck having to be fluent in bloody microsnot.

funnily not one of them drives a landy.

If mac could only match the budget price of some of the lower end pcs and the wife wasnt scared of it Id be on it like a shot.,

[HangOver]

nearly forgot if you want to see an apple lover squirm mention USB3 and 10,000-rpm hard drives ;)

but they wont know what your talking about :D

[HangOver]

only reason I dont use mac personally is all the people I do service and support for use bloody windows and not mac or unix/linux so Im stuck having to be fluent in bloody microsnot.


I don't really hate APPLE I just can't see why apple users bang on about how great they are when they run exactly the same hardware as PC's
Intel boards, nvidia video, slow HDD's etc.......the ONLY thing that makes an apple stand out is the OS and thats what your paying the PREMIUM price for.

[omvanders]

Quality control is part of the equation as well.

[Captain_Rightfoot]

nearly forgot if you want to see an apple lover squirm mention USB3 and 10,000-rpm hard drives ;)

but they wont know what your talking about :D

Exactly... you buy a PC if you enjoy tinkering. People that buy a mac generally have better things to do with their time!


I don't really hate APPLE I just can't see why apple users bang on about how great they are when they run exactly the same hardware as PC's
Intel boards, nvidia video, slow HDD's etc.......the ONLY thing that makes an apple stand out is the OS and thats what your paying the PREMIUM price for.

Well... I know what you're saying, but so far as I'm aware - apart from the items you have mentioned all the boards and parts are very much custom because they are built into apples award winning enclosures. Apple lead the computer world in industrial design.

If you were right that they were filled with generic components then they would be cheaper to repair than they are! Not that I've ever had one repaired, but I know it does happen. :o

And yes they do usually come at a premium price, but you do get industrial design which is second to none and should be factored in.

[austastar]

I used to look after about 200 computers, about 10 of them were macs.
Calls to fix a mac always made me nervous, cause I hardly ever had to do anything to them, and the operating systems changed faster than I could get experience with them.
PCs on the other hand - dead easy, always working on them. (Sounds like some of the older landrovers I read about here)
A couple of the staff were mac experts and could usually perform some miracle on them if I couldn't sort it.
They are just a 'bit different'. (yep, the mac staff and the computers)
cheers

[flagg]

Yes but how many German's supported Hitler? Didn't make the majority right though...

I officially call Godwin's Law (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law) on this thread.

Seriously though, I work with computers all day long, Its all I've ever done. When I come home I don't want to stuff around. I just want to know what I can open the lid on my MacBook Pro and everything just works.

Think about how much time you've spent trying to make something work on a computer... oh my god. My life is worth more than that.

[Captain_Rightfoot]

I officially call Godwin's Law (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law) on this thread.

Seriously though, I work with computers all day long, Its all I've ever done. When I come home I don't want to stuff around. I just want to know what I can open the lid on my MacBook Pro and everything just works.

Think about how much time you've spent trying to make something work on a computer... oh my god. My life is worth more than that.

That's exactly how I feel about it. :)

I bought a new Mac on Friday, and with about 3 hours work I had everything installed, and all our data, accounts recreated and preferences installed for my both my wife's and my account. Apple also supply a thing called "migration assistant" which moves everything to your new computer in less than an hour usually. I didn't use that as I wanted a fresh start.

I am now typing happily on it and it has settled into family life. I think I'll find a few more things but that's pretty much it. How many people with windows could say they could do that?

[incisor]

How many people with windows could say they could do that?
quite a few actually 

that works quite well in windows.

[Captain_Rightfoot]

Is it true that Macs don't get virus attacks?
So if Macs don't have problems with viruses that is where I am heading.
Cheers,
Mike

In this post here (http://www.aulro.com/afvb/computers/90382-windows7-con-well-comes-micro-oft-7.html#post1098806) I was authorised to make the following statement in regards to Apples operating system and viruses.

"There are currently no viruses or malware threats for currently patched Snow Leopard in the wild. Nor have there ever been any large scale malware or virus attacks on OS X since it's release apart from one Trojan only found in pirated copies of iWork."

:)

I have run mac's for 4 years now and have never used any anti virus software. I don't know any other Mac user that has except for those that use macs in Microsoft environments where the AV software on the macs is to stop them passing on Microsoft viruses.

[Captain_Rightfoot]

quite a few actually 

that works quite well in windows.

They must have improved things then because whenever I used to help people with it there was a battle to find all the fragments of data spread through out the program, system, and user directories. :)

[flagg]

In this post here (http://www.aulro.com/afvb/computers/90382-windows7-con-well-comes-micro-oft-7.html#post1098806) I was authorised to make the following statement in regards to Apples operating system and viruses.

haha not that thread again :o don't you get me started! :wasntme::p

[Captain_Rightfoot]

haha not that thread again :o don't you get me started! :wasntme::p

Yep I reckon I had that Nazi Balmer nailed on points in that one! :D :D

[HangOver]

Think about how much time you've spent trying to make something work on a computer... oh my god. My life is worth more than that.
Maybe its just me but really if the user doesnt stuff around with a PC then it wont go wrong. The laptop Im using now is XP and ive had it maybe 2+ years. New, out of the box and its never went wrong, it just works.

I have a windows7 pc, upgraded from Windows XP and it just worked and still it just works. Show me faulty PC and I'll show you a user that tinkers, oh and don't blame the PC hardware because as I just mentioned it's Intel based, just like the apple copied, sorry, ermmm designed.



Exactly... you buy a PC if you enjoy tinkering.
I work with computers all day the LAST thing i want to do is "tinker" when i get home thats probably why mine works..... all the time, I don't tinker.


Well... I know what you're saying, but so far as I'm aware - apart from the items you have mentioned all the boards and parts are very much custom because they are built into apples award winning enclosures. Apple lead the computer world in industrial design.
Apple are based on an intigrated motherboards which may or may not,(I've never looked into it) be built specially for the apples, but they ARE intel boards,(same brand as my PC) dual and quad core CPU's the same as my PC, same RAM, same hard drives, same NIC, same cd/dvd drives, different case though.



If you were right that they were filled with generic components
see above ;)



And yes they do usually come at a premium price, but you do get industrial design which is second to none and should be factored in.

Well there is design and asthetics, design is fine,(see intel) asthetics, I'll leave that to the girls.


I mentioned 10k hard drives and USB3 earlier not because apple users don't know what it is because they are not technical users but they are, (as far as I know) unavailable on the apple but are on the PC.
try how's that for design ;)

[vnx205]

Is it true that Macs don't get virus attacks? If it is true then I would be saving money by not having to buy these anti-virus programmes.
I had a anti-virus thing installed when I got onto Bigpond, was going good for a while until it wouldn't download the latest anti-virus settings. I was on the phone for a week trying to communicate with non-english speaking people. When that didn't work I called Telstra and complained about the trouble with conversing with these people at their call centres.
Their replay was that they weren't discrimatory in their policy of hiring people.
To cut this short I ended up deleting the anti-virus programme and having to buy something else.
So if Macs don't have problems with viruses that is where I am heading.
Cheers,
Mike

If the only reason you are keen to mortgage your house to buy a Mac is that you are paranoid about viruses, why don't you just install Linux on your existing machine. Then you will have the same freedom from viruses as Mac users.

That will cost you nothing. :)

[drivesafe]

Actually, Macs are not that much dearer than a decent PC and I use both, I have to because there are a number of commercial and industrial CAD programs that are either not available or, the Mac version is so dear that it is HEAPS cheaper to by a PC and the PC version of the program and still have load of cash left over, than it is to buy the Mac version.

This is the exact reason I bought my first PC. I had been using Macs for about 2 years, from 1987 and the only Mac CAD program at the time for what I needed was something like $US4,500 so I bought an IBM Aptiva and the PC CAD program for a total of about $2,300.

As far as problems go, when everything is working right, the Macs are far easier to use than a PC, but need to do anything out of the ordinary and my Macs cause far more headaches for my business than my PCs do, but then again that’s why I have Incisor's phone number on Speed Dial.

Back to cost comparisons. Macs come with loads of up market programs as standard and the average home user usually doesn’t need anything else whereas by the time you buy a PC and get programs of the same calibre as the Macs, your PC is not much cheaper.

One more point, I have never had a viruses problem but for protection against viruses, NONE of my PCs are connected to the net and and all my Macs are and I have never installed an anti viruses program to any of my Macs.

Also, thanks to a freebie program called Neo Office ( and thanks to Incisor for telling me about it ) My Macs will work with any PC based files or documents sent to me.

[weeds]

Oi......but he is right

gotta love the mac v pc threads

kindy like engel v wacoe

for a low end user (email, surf the net, word processing music and photos) and keep in mind that i'm a computer numpty..........there is no way i would go back to a PC....

although i have never had a new PC, friends and family that do seem to be always tinkering with them, i literally have not touch anything to do with the operating system/hardware on the mac (not that i would know how to anyway)

only wish mac made modems....then i would be set, don't start me on modem/internet connections, setup, wireless grrr

[Captain_Rightfoot]

only wish mac made modems....then i would be set, don't start me on modem/internet connections, setup, wireless grrr

Well they make routers.. :) They make that easier too. :)

[flagg]

only wish mac made modems....then i would be set, don't start me on modem/internet connections, setup, wireless grrr

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:angel:
(not dsl though.. but yeah :) )

[Lightweight]

Why do most Apple v Windows conversations end up being about hardware?? Apple is NOT A HARDWARE company, 99% of Mac components are third party manufacturers... (Intel, Sony, nVidia etc)

Apple is a distribution company, that just happens to have some very funky industrial designers and an absolute genius running the show (unlike "Monkey Man" over at MS). Most of its coffers are filled by media distribution points, and that was setup ten years ago with the rise and rise of the iPod, OSX, ITMS and other distribution points apple has realised what most other silicon valley juggernauts just can't get a grip of.... distribution of media and content is where the money is made!

Have a look at the latest news out of CES, Apple doesn't even turn up! The latest buzz is all about "tablets" and "e-readers". Apples' product is only a rumour at this stage, yet still gets compared to other products in reviews.

Once again, this product is not a comp of who has the biggest "d*ck" it is going to be about the ability to distribute the content to the device... and something tells me that HP or.... Dell or MS or HTC isn't going to even get a look in!

I know which stocks i would rather own.... AAPL