engine and VIN no. locations on a 101

[Mick_Marsh]

Where are the engine and VIN no. located on a 101?
Where is the compliance plate located on a 101?

I'll be inspecting a 101 this week and would like to be prepared.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Mick

Rover V8 have their engine numbers on a flat on the LHS between the front two and rear two cylinders and can usually be viewed between the V of the exhaust manifold. I don't know how easy it is on the 101 but would assume it can be seen from the LH front wheel-arch.

The chassis number is usually on the RHS front spring hanger bracket.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2009/12/219.jpg

Don't know about the compliance plate, however that will depend on whether it was an Australian Army or Britt Army 101. The British Army ones won't have one and are usually painted bronze green.

[101 Ron]

This is all you really need to find and it is easy as it is inside on the left side of the fan tunnel.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2009/12/192.jpg
Lotzalandies is correct the engine number is accessed via removing the left side engine acess plate inside the left side wheel arch which is only three quarter turns

[101 Ron]

Mick
Just be careful for the reasons you want to buy a 101 as they are not for everyone.
If you are of large build, getting in and out and fitting behind the steering wheel are big issuses.
They are hot and have no creature comforts,so long trips are better done using another vehicle.
Off road wise as standard they are nothing special.
If you want to use one as a camper conversion there are many other vehicles which do the job better.
The 101 was designed for the miltiary for certain roles and its design shows this.
If you are a series landrover nut and and want a vehicle which is built similar and interesting , then go for it.

[Mick_Marsh]

Thanks guys.
The information was required for the 101 I bought at the clearing sale in Blanchetown. The seller refuses to advise me of the VIN or engine no. He also refuses to fill out a notice of disposal and transfer of registration. The only means of identification that is used is the registration no.
I'm going to inspect the 101 to get the required information to renew the registration with the Department of Transport. With he cow-cocky being an obstructionist, I'm thinking he may be hiding something but the estate agent assures me "anything bought at a clearing sale is bought with clear title".
I also need the info for the transport comany to identify the vehicle and for Pheonix, for his register and my REMLR application.
While I'm up there, I'll take photo's of course. Any particular views I should take (sorry, no scantily clad models available).

[THE BOOGER]

Sounds like it may have been the cow cockys fav truck, take lots of pics from all round including the engine and chassis numbers and any odds and ends inside the truck just in case of trouble later.

oh and for us:D
dont forget the plate ron posted

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Mick

Just for your info.

The 962 prefix are most likely ex-Australian Army and the 961 are the Brit Army. (Although there were two 961's that served with both the British and Australian Army and the image above is one of them.)

[101RRS]

As Lotz a Landies has said the engine number is on the passenger side in the middle of the engine behind the exhaust manifold - you will not be able to easily read it though. The Chassis Number (there is no Vin) is on the front spring hangers but if the ID plate is still in the passenger footwell the numbers are there - as per Ron's photo. There is no compliance plate on 101s - though if it has been modified there may be relevant plates in the passenger footwell.

If the vehicle is not currently registered then transfer of rego docs are not needed however a receipt will be needed to re-register - if you do not have it you may have to jump through a few hoops. If the vehicle is still registered then the seller MUST compete the relevant docs - if being difficult I would see the local registration authorities.

Good luck with it.

Garry

[THE BOOGER]

If the cocky wont sign papers remember the owner is the finance company selling the property not him your receipt will be from them or the auctioneers.
Rego does not mean ownership I have had that argument with the RTA in nsw twice with bikes bought at auction they wanted a receipt from the last person to register the bikes.

PS i got both bikes registered just had to go higher up the food chain

[101RRS]

Rego does not mean ownership I have had that argument with the RTA in nsw twice with bikes bought at auction they wanted a receipt from the last person to register the bikes.

PS i got both bikes registered just had to go higher up the food chain

Just complete a stat dec at the rego office - as Booger indicated you do not actually need a receipt - just a stat dec saying you bought the vehicle and for how much.

[Mick_Marsh]

Each state has their own peculiar methods of dealing with registrations.
In SA, the plate stays with the car. To transfer the registration, the seller fills out a notice of disposal and transfer of registration. The buyer fills out an application for registration. If the registration has lapsed, the buyer pays a late fee and the registration fee.(This is what the Dept. of Transport SA advises me so if you disagree, take it up with them.) Unfortunately I also have to fill out another form because the Dept. of Transport SA believe the 101 is a bus with a GVM over 4.5t. Its called a "MR80-Vehicle Supplementary Details". (Again, this is what the Dept. of Transport SA advises me so if you disagree, take it up with them.)

Does anyone know a location on the web where I get a print of 101 specifications including but not limited to manufacturers gross vehicle mass (GVM), manufacturers gross combination mass (GCM), size/load index/ply of tyres and overall dimensions of the vehicle? (including the ambulance version if possible)
Also, where would I find out the month and year of manufacture of the vehicle (also required for the MR80)

Thankyou so very much to all for your help and advice.

[Mick_Marsh]

they wanted a receipt from the last person to register the bikes.

Yes booger. I have had that experience with Vicroads. The vehicle had last been registered in Tas fifteen years ago. Fortunately, the seller from Qld was most accomodating, and supplied me with a fifteen year old registration certificate which made the Vicroads person most compliant. The old bomb was registered with no issues.
This is why I am keen to get the 101 registered in my name asap. I'll let the rego lapse and after all the effort has been put into fixing it up and giving it a lick of paint, registration is merely a late fee.
If I find it too difficult to register at this early stage, I will only have lost $4,000, not $24,000.

[101RRS]

Have a look at the plate that Ron has already posted - if yours is Australia army your GVM is there (3652kg). GCM is not specifically specified in the manuals, so assuming GCM is GVM plus tow weight - again Ron's pic shows the tow weight (2 tons) so GCM is 5652kg - note the 2 ton tow capacity is in all conditions so on-road is probably much higher but not specified.

The only workshop & user manuals are for british 101s (lower GVMs) so you will not find Australian documents for the information you ask.

The original tyres are 9.00x 16 Tubed Goodyear Bar Treads - 10 Ply load rating not specified in the hand book. Note there is no compliance plate nor tyre placards on 101s.

GS version - length overall, 4.330m, width 1.842m, height with canopy on 2.283m. No idea about the ambulance version as they were not in use in Australia. There are a couple of imports in country.

Determining when the vehicle was built can be difficult - certainly the 101s earmarked for Australia went to British Aerospace in the UK for conversion to Rapier Tractors in the second half of 1977 and were delivered to the army very late 77 into early 78. However the vehicles themselves may have been actually built in 1976 - it is not clear - certainly from official sources. My 101 on the NSW RTA documents has it build 01/77 which I believe is a default date.

You need to find out what you have - an ex Aust Army GS or an ex UK GS or even Ambo - the colour indicates an ex Aust 101, then you can workout where to go through the bureaucracy. One thing is though if it has been previously registered in SA they should already have all the details you have asked for on file. Before I registered mine in the ACT I gained information from the NSW RTA that confirmed what is was, is engine and Chassis numbers. When I actually registered it in the ACT the authorities just pulled up full details on my vehicle even though it had never been previously registered in the ACT - in fact they even told me the Qld rego number that I thought it had previously was in fact not the correct number.

Hope this helps a little

Good luck with it.

Garry

[Lotz-A-Landies]

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Does anyone know a location on the web where I get a print of 101 specifications including but not limited to manufacturers gross vehicle mass (GVM), manufacturers gross combination mass (GCM), size/load index/ply of tyres and overall dimensions of the vehicle? (including the ambulance version if possible)
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Mick

I would suggest the nomenclature plate on the vehicle would be a good place to start. http://www.aulro.com/afvb/fcs-military-variations/95326-engine-vin-no-locations-101-a.html#post1145676

Also can not see how SA Transport maintains the vehicle is 4.5T when the plate specifies 3,652KG.

For GCM you merely have to add Max loaded weight and max trailer weight. In this case 3652 Kg + 2000 Kg = GCM 5652 Kg

(Don't you find it interesting that the Range Rover classic with crappy 1930's designed Rover diffs, the same engine as the 101 and in some cases the same transmission as the 101 and it has a max trailer weight 4000Kg!)

[101RRS]

(Don't you find it interesting that the Range Rover classic with crappy 1930's designed Rover diffs, the same engine as the 101 and in some cases the same transmission as the 101 and it has a max trailer weight 4000Kg!)

Ah yes but the 101 is designed to tow the 2 tons in all conditions - your RR is limited to 750kg off road. I guess that as the 101 was never designed to to be sold off into civilian hands the designers never bothered to consider what a suitable on-road limit would be so never specified one - the problem is 30 years later when we are trying to get 101s registered, is satisfying rego and insurance authorities that it should be higher when 2 tons is stamped on the plate.

My guess would be that 3.5 to 4t would be about right - definitely braked though.

Interestingly my Freelander towing 2 tonnes has about the same performance as my 101 empty and towing nothing - let alone towing 4 or even 2 tons.

Garry

[101 Ron]

Micks 101 is a Ex Aussie one and should have the plate on the fan tunnel as if I remember correctly from previous pics of micks 101 it has a rocket symbol on the door or side of it.
Get the rego boys to inspect the plate on the fan tunnel as it has a 500 kg increase in payload to specs in the 101 owners books and other published specs.
Aussie 101s had higher legal payloads than the others and this may work for you one day especially as it has( micks 101) extra ( heavy) body work on it.
Note if you a going for a LPG govt rebate at some time in the near future, remove the plate on the fan tunnel and and show the published specs as the GVM of a Aussie spec 101 is just over the 3500 kg limit of the rebate for LPG

[101RRS]

Also, where would I find out the month and year of manufacture of the vehicle (also required for the MR80)

This is from the 101 club website - just look up your chassis number. Sorry for the quality - best I could manage but is still readable.

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e334/gazzz21/101info.jpg

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e334/gazzz21/101-2info.jpg

Cheers

Garry

[Mick_Marsh]

I went down to the Dept. of Transport SA motor registration branch today. It did not go well. The identification numbers did not match. It would appear the registration number on the vehicle I bought and is used on the receipt may not be for that vehicle. This may explain why the Dept. of Transport SA think the vehicle is a bus over 4.5 tonnes.

I have asked the realestate agent to re-issue an amended receipt with the correct chassis and engine nos. I don't think I'll have much success as their obligation to the vendor is complete.

There's not much more I can do until I get it home, give it a good wash with a pressure washer and see if there is another engine no. and chassis no. stamped in it somewhere. The DoT SA said the engine no. starts with an S. This could be because they couldn't find the engine no. and stamped one in themselves. Where, I don't know but I've heard of people stamping any old no. in engine blocks themselves.

Proof of ownership is going to be a bastard to prove now that the senile old cow-cocky has removed (stolen) the plates and destroyed the rego label on the window.

I'll post again if I have some success

Thank you all for your help. That listing Garry posted was particularly helpful.

regards
Mick

[THE BOOGER]

If you can get agent to redo the receipt you can treat the car as an unregistered veh you should only need the receipt and your state equivelent of a blue slip maybe a weigh bridge cert. in NSW part of the blue slip is checking to se if a veh is stolen dont know about SA:D Cocky was not happy with his finance company by the sounds :o

[101RRS]

Mick,


If you are not aware of it - have a look at the Registration Numbers section of REMLR - The Registry of Ex Military Land Rovers. Australia, New Zealand and elsewhere. (http://www.remlr.com). Your "proper" engine number will be listed there - assuming that the engine has not been changed - unlikely if still a 3.5. Also the engine number is basically impossible to read without an endoscope. In the front wheel arch there is a removable panel just above the chassis rail - when it is removed you can see the left hand exhaust manifold and the number hides on a near horizontal tab on the block behind the central two exhaust ports - near where the dipstick goes into the block.


I have taken some pics that may be helpful.


The first is a side pic of a 3.9 that I have on a stand - basically the same as a 3.5 except for the exhaust manifold - note the bolt in the block between the centre exhaust ports.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

Here is the 3.9s engine number down behind the manifold - note the same bolt head at the top of the pic - the camera is directly above the engine
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

Now note the 3.5 in my 101 - see the extra webbing between the two relevant exhaust ports making things harder to see - also see the same bolt head that was on the 3.9.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

This is what you see down the back of the manifold on the 3.5 - camera position is similar to that of the engine number pic of the 3.9 - just a little closer.
As you can see - you can see nothing because it is too hard to get into a position to view the number - even worse from the top with the engine cover off. You cannot even get a mirror in there. Note the same bolt in the block so you can see where the number should be stamped. That shaft to the right of the bolt head is the dipstick
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e334/gazzz21/05012010007.jpg

Also - the chassis number is stamped on the front drivers spring hanger - in this pic you cannot see it because of the paint but it is just below the recovery hook the top of the number runs along the bottom of the recovery hook.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

Hope this is of some help

Garry

[Mick_Marsh]

Thanks for the extra info.

What I'm suspecting has happened is the previous owner had no idea what he had. (In the correspondence I have received they refer to it as a Jeep.) In their ignorance, not knowing the engine number or where to find it, they probably made one up to get it through the registration process back in the early 90's. What I need to do now is find where these numbers are the DoT SA have on record are and use them. This may require a few trips to Motor Registrations as I don't know what numbers they have on record. All I know is the engine no. starts with a S. To find these numbers that start with a S, when the Landrover arrives at home, I will give the chassis and engine a good clean with a pressure cleaner and study every inch for a number starting with a S.

I have just spoken on the phone to the realestate agent who conducted the auction. He has come to the party and agreed to issue a new receipt stating the correct chassis and engine nos. Again, when the engine arrives home, I'll confirm the engine number visually, and get a new receipt issued.

[101RRS]

Mick - just a little confused here - I understand that the vehicle is in SA and you want it registered in SA but I have just noticed you are in Vic. So why the need to register in SA and not Vic?

Good luck with it all - I think that once you have all the right numbers and rego authorities realise what it is things will become easier.

Mine had not been registered in nearly 10 years and in another state - but in the end all that was required was a basic roadworthy and pay money at the rego office - full details were in the Aust wide data base - even though it had never been regoed in the ACT.

I appreciate different states - different rules, but once you get the truck and you look up the real numbers things should start coming together - after all there are at least 20 101s running around Australia registered in various states and most were easily registered.

Garry

[chazza]

Mick if you have a plumber near you ask if you can borrow their endoscope. The one I have access to, has a screen on it so that whatever is hidden is quite clearly visible - should keep the rego. boys happy :)

Cheers Charlie

[THE BOOGER]

Mick how did you go with the rego or are you still working on the truck have you got it home yet:D

[Mick_Marsh]

Bogger,

It has arrived and in storage. This is the photo of it the day it was delivered.

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/members/mick_marsh-albums-my+101+gun+tractor-picture683-dscf0742.html
http://www.aulro.com/afvb/members/mick_marsh-albums-my+101+gun+tractor-picture683-dscf0742.html

At this stage, I am still trying to get it registered in SA but I have been very busy at work (which is a good thing). I hope to get over there this easter and complete the paperwork.
Another vehicle I have has also been taking up resources (which is also a good thing).
I have set a time frame of one year to get one of the 101's registered and close to "in service" as I am under pressure to put it in a local annual vehicle display.

Thanks for you interest

regards
Mick

[THE BOOGER]

Always interested in exmil stuff not just landys but i do like the 101s:D