Vehicle History Research tools

[Col.Coleman]

Have been doing some research lately into how I might be able to possibly trace the origins of my precious landies. This has raised a few questions I will try to short cut by finding out from you guys who may have already found out.

Here is what I know so far.

Gaydon Motor Museum

For a fee you can get heritage certificates and do research on your vehicle for all land rovers from 48 - 96, and do traces based on either chassis#, engine# or body#(not that it applies to Land Rovers) and get the dispatch specs and date. You can also go there and do your own research.

Question: Does this also apply to CKD vehicles?

Pressed Metal Corporation.

No surviving documentation.

Motor Dealers

Grenville Motors

Records survive and if you are in the know a VERY GENEROUS AND KIND PERSON will search them for you in their spare time and let you know if your vehicle is in them giving you chassis#, engine#, configuration, delivery date and first owner (SMHEA in my case)

Annand and Thompson

No surviving records

Others

Unknown

Government Registration Bodies

You can for a fee, do a vehicle search under different guises. In Queensland a FOI search, although computerised records only go back to 1984 and it is unknown if paper records before that still exist. Similar story in NSW, although I think they may have a longer timeline of available records.

Now I have 1 Annand and Thompson vehicle, 1 Grenville and the rest are unknown. Just hoping to get some more info from here before plonking down some hard earned with goverment bodies and such which is only going to come up empty.

CC

[Bigbjorn]

Tha Annand & Thompson warranty and service record cards were passed on to Leyland Truck and Bus, Rocklea in 1973 with the change of distribution. T&B was submerged in the 1974 flood and the A&T cards were thrown out in the clean-up. I do not know what happened to the t&b records in the subsequent changes to distribution from t&b to Leyland Aust. to JRA to LRA etc. Certainly nothing before July 1973 of Qld. sales survives.

Qld. registration records may survive in the State Archives at Runcorn. However, records were kept in manila folders by registration number. To search you need to know the registration number.

Best of luck.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

CC

I was unaware that you could do an FOI search of the RTA records in NSW! I have been unable to get the details on my classic Range Rover anywhere back past 1991 even though I was/am the previous owner (dispute over engine capacity type approval). The computer system was changed in 1991 or thereabouts and they no longer have a computer capable of reading the earlier data. I doub't that they will be able to provide records going back early enough for our Series ones when the records were paper. There was also privacy legislation that prevented anyone getting any information but the immediate previous owner (the one that you bought it from) or if it was ever registered as a taxi cab.

Regarding BMIHT (Gaydon Museum) - the dispatch books for CKD vehicles list only the chassis/car numbers, destination distributor and date of shipping. CKD vehicles were shipped in batches of 6 vehicles, in a variety of crates containing 6 of each assembly. Which engine, gearbox, axle assembly went with which chassis was only determined at the assembly plant. In fact with the variations of numbers in Au assembled vehicles it seems that different assemblies from different batches were combined to make up vehicles and an example is a Grenville Motors assembled 80" which by it's number and the verhicles either side should be lights through was actually fitted with a lights behind grill.

This variation in quality control was a major reason for Rover Co contracting LNC Industries to do all their Au assembly in the LNC Pressed Metals enfield factory.

[101RRS]

CC
I have been unable to get the details on my classic Range Rover anywhere back past 1991 even though I was/am the previous owner (dispute over engine capacity type approval). The computer system was changed in 1991 or thereabouts and they no longer have a computer capable of reading the earlier data.

NSW RTA keeps computer/paper records for 25 years. They have access to the paper stuff from 1984 to 1991 then the computer stuff - though I assume the paper records for 1984 have or about to be destroyed in line with the 25 year rule. I know this as I was able to get information on my series 1 back to the early 80s and FOI is not required - however the actual information is limited.

See here http://www.aulro.com/afvb/series-i-land-rover-enthusiasts-section/93483-new-toy-1957-107-ute-4.html

FOI will most likely provide more infomation but personal information is still safeguarded under FOI.

Garry

[Col.Coleman]

When I spoke with Queensland Transport, with their FOI search, they contact the previous owners and ask if they mind if their details are passed on, thus possibly giving you the chance to find stories or pictures from the past if you can then contact the previous owners. The search includes rego no.s so if it was registered post 1984 you shoulod be able to search the paper records if they exist. I know my 56 109 was.

So it seems CKD vehicles can be traced to an extent from Gaydon. Might give an idea as to where it went, as my 107 has no badges at all. Not even the PMC plate. I know some CKD's were sent to the dealers. Annand and Thompson imported some of their own vehicles straight from the factory. Were they complete, assembled by A&T, PMC or a combination of all 3?

CC

[260AC]

The Faulls Perth Sales books also exist.

The Victorian Rego info is with the Jaguar and Austin Healy Car Club. You can do a trace by writing to the Association of Motoring clubs, but it can be difficult as vehicles were registered by engine number and engines move a hell of a lot and then the LR's are mixed up in the Holdens if they had one fitted

You can also trace a vehicle through Land Rover themselves, but you need to have proof of ownership and they do a trace and often send a photocopy of the page entry of your vehicle, but is difficult from Oz as you have to send the a cheque for around 15 quid so have to get an OS cehque made up.

So what is the chassis number of your 107"

[Col.Coleman]

Thanks guys. The purpose of this thread was to collect all the search info for us in Australia of what we can find in one place.

I will be paying for searches from the different places as it may show a small peice of the history puzzles I have. To use my vehicles as an example.

"LEN"
Chassis# 57661043
5 - 1955
7 - series 1
6 - 86" basic CKD
6 - export RHD
# - 1043 of 2350

Engine# 57102775
1956 2l spreadbore

Gearbox#

Front Diff#
5710

Rear Diff#

Now this vehicle was reported as an ex-SMHEA vehicle. It has the remains of the Snowy decal on the door, has heater and demister fitted and a single fan blade fan. The Grenville books confirm it was sold on the 05/05/1955 to the Snowy Mountains Hydro-electric Authority. It also shows a different engine no., so somewhere along the way a different motor has been fitted. Searching the engine no. in the grenville books would tell me if the SMHEA did it or later. After this it has owner info on the door as having belonged to Murwillumbah Motors. NSW RTA search should help fill in gaps, and hopefully when it was sold from SMHEA.


"MAL"

Chassis# 277600179
27 - series 1 107"
7 - CKD, RHD
6 - 1956
# - 179 of 1188

Engine# 170600838
1956 2 litre spreadbore

Gearbox# 170602041
1956

Front Diff# 270600829
1956 lwb axle

Rear Diff# 270601145
1956 lwb axle

Dove grey Deluxe cab

Now this vehicle was bought as an unfinished project in peices. Alot of resto work has been done, but alot is missing such as dealer plates. If I can get dispatch records I can find out when shipped, roughly assembled and where. It has an old black and white QLD plate still attatched OKB919 so may be able to FOI search and hopefully was still registered post 1984, and can use the numberplate to search paper records. It has a rough timber tray fitted and all the no.s are pretty close and correct to possibly the originals fitted.

"Mike"

Chassis# 123601342
1 - land rover
23 - series 1, 109 basic CKD, RHD
6 - 1956
#01342 - 155 of 253

Engine# 170616471
1956 2 litre spreadbore

Gearbox# 111805186
1958

Front diff# 270606720
1956 lwb axle

Rear Diff
1956 lwb axle

This vehicle is fitted with a thomas pto winch, so are thinking the fitting of the winch may have coincided with the '58 gearbox being fitted. It is also marked "Bush Fire Brigade", has the ignition key blanked off and replaced with a turning button in the ignition. It is an Annand and Thompson Vehicle. It has and old QLD rego sticker post 1984 so a search is possible on this vehicle. Info from the PO indicates this vehicle was a Fraser Island RFS vehicle, then sold to a country property owner. The chassis has been modified to hold sump oil with drain plugs. The searches will tell me when built and shipped. I know A&T but could possibly trace to RFS, and previously CAA going by the previous paint schemes.

All my other vehicles have been registered post 1984. I want to search my 11a to narrow down the year, and my stage 1 is a 2nd owner.

CC

[Bigbjorn]

Normal rules with FOI requests in the Commonwealth Public Service are that you will not be provided with personal details of anyone other than yourself. The FOI officer usually writes to the applicant stating that the file contains xx documents, x pertain to other persons and are confidential, x were supplied by yourself and you may access these, x are departmental processing documents, etc. etc. and asks which documents do you wish to view. I don't know what rules QT operate under but I thought FOI was federal legislation.

Qld. Transport are very sticky about "privacy" and requests for name and address of the owner of a currently registered vehicle, such requests usually being rejected for " insuficient good reason". I made some back door enquiries through acquaintances in the Dept. to find that just about the only acceptable reason was to attempt to recover damages from a "hit and run" type of incident and you will have to supply a police accident report number.

[hawequas]

hi chasps
just swaped 74 rangie for 2 series 1's the newer on seems to be an 86''
nuumber 57660754
the other is an 80'' number 36660935
how do i confirm what i have

any help would be great ta

[jimbo110]

CalVIN, the Land Rover VIN CALculator

57660754


Model year: 1957
Model: Land Rover,Series I, petrol
Body type: 86in,
completely knocked down (CKD)
Destination: Right-hand drive (RHD), export market
0754Serial number

CalVIN, the Land Rover VIN CALculator

36660935



Model year: 1953
Model: Land Rover, Series I, 80in, petrol
Body type: Completely knocked down (CKD)
Destination: Right-hand drive (RHD), export market
0935Serial number

[hawequas]

the 80''seems to have a holden grey motor ??? the other, below the birds nest is some old rusty block. the front bumper hangers are rusted off on the 86'' but has a reasonable body, the 80 is the reverse having the better chassis, not sure how i will get them going, i have yet to convince the ball and chain to get her horses out of the shed to make room for my toys
hawequas

[Lost Landy]

hi chasps
just swaped 74 rangie for 2 series 1's the newer on seems to be an 86''
nuumber 57660754
the other is an 80'' number 36660935
how do i confirm what i have

any help would be great ta

I love the the 80" :D

[Boofrmb]

I had no probs finding details about my 48 Landie, rand the laocal Sydney Dealer (srtill goning), and all was shown, great for all old Ladie recorders,,

Rob

[tytower]

I'm just wondering if any one knows who the Brisbane dealer was who sold Series 1 landrovers?
I have an oval brass badge on mine with the number 00008 on it . Does that mean it was number 8 sold in Queensland?

[russellrovers]

I'm just wondering if any one knows who the Brisbane dealer was who sold Series 1 landrovers?
I have an oval brass badge on mine with the number 00008 on it . Does that mean it was number 8 sold in Queensland?
hi there is only one master distributor for Qld, annand and thomson, who also supplied northern rivers of NSW. where is the badge position can you put up photo jim

[alan48]

Hi all,
a long shot but I have a grey 1958 109" Series 1 chassis no: 122800032 and gearbox 126800703 (about to replace it). It was originally a diesel but now has a Holden and it came off a farm near Bathurst, previously also off a farm. Owner is not sure if it has ever been registered. Is there anyone who might know the car or how I can see if previously registered somewhere as I intend to put it back on the road with historic plates eventually.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Hi all,
a long shot but I have a grey 1958 109" Series 1 chassis no: 122800032 and gearbox 126800703 (about to replace it). It was originally a diesel but now has a Holden and it came off a farm near Bathurst, previously also off a farm. Owner is not sure if it has ever been registered. Is there anyone who might know the car or how I can see if previously registered somewhere as I intend to put it back on the road with historic plates eventually.Actually if the 122800032 number is correct, it was in fact a 1958 petrol vehicle. What is interesting is that the vehicle is UK built export model.

You would have to find out the details on that one from Gaydon, it may have a private export or possibly one out of Annand & Thompson, Newstead (Brisbane) as the NSW ones at that time were almost exclusively CKD models assembled at PMC Enfield (Sydney).

[Lotz-A-Landies]

hi chasps
just swaped 74 rangie for 2 series 1's the newer on seems to be an 86''
nuumber 57660754
the other is an 80'' number 36660935
how do i confirm what i have

any help would be great ta I know I'm slow! :(

1953 80": 36660935 = no record in NSW

1955 86": 57660754 = no record in NSW

[alan48]

Hi all,
my 109 S1 chassis number missed a number ( or I missed it) --it is in fact 128800032 so that makes it a diesel CKD etc--how do I get Annard and Thomson details re vehicles they sold in case it started in Qld.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Hi all,
a long shot but I have a grey 1958 109" Series 1 chassis no: 122800032 and gearbox 126800703 (about to replace it). It was originally a diesel but now has a Holden and it came off a farm near Bathurst, ...
Hi all,
my 109 S1 chassis number missed a number ( or I missed it) --it is in fact 128800032 so that makes it a diesel CKD etc--how do I get Annard and Thomson details re vehicles they sold in case it started in Qld.Hi Alan

Actually it wasn't a missing digit but a typo which in this case made the vehicle petrol and UK build.

128800032 does exist in the Grenville Motors allocations book and is recorded as being sent to a NSW Dealer Amos Smith & Co under the customer name of Henderson dispatched out on the 13th June 1958 the original engine number was 126800697.

AS for the registration information, they are likely destroyed under the 25 year rule. As for registering it, it should not be a problem as we have a record of its original sale in NSW and if needs be we can likely get a statutory declaration from the custodian of the original books Arthur Garthon.

Diana

[LRO53]

I know I'm slow! :(

1953 80": 36660935 = no record in NSW




36660935 was in a CKD batch of 11 vehicles Dispatched Out on the 15/1/1953 to Regent Motors Melbourne.

[wrinklearthur]

36660935 was in a CKD batch of 11 vehicles Dispatched Out on the 15/1/1953 to Regent Motors Melbourne.

Well now, these two handsome beasties now reside in Wrinklearthur's paddock.

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/attachments/series-i-land-rover-enthusiasts-section/23704d1269072581-vehicle-history-research-tools-20032010.jpg

Now we need a name for the 80" as the 86" is called 'HECter', so who is going to be the first to offer the 80" a name.
.

[zulu Delta 534]

Just call it HEC for short.:D
Regards
Glen

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Was it also used by the same mob?

Perhaps Hydra! But you'll have to check for serpents around the head each morning. :D

[wrinklearthur]

HEC is a acronym for Hydro Electric Commission ( 1929 to 1996 ), The Hydro was the Government body responsible for all aspects of Electric power generation and it's distribution, until it was split into three separate bodies.

So should we call the 80" "Hydro' being short for The Hydro Electric Commission of Tasmania?

But before I do name him that, I still want to have some evidence that this 80" was in fact used by the HEC.

I did meet a chap who started as an apprentice for the Hydro and worked on servicing Land Rovers, He is willing to show me some photo's that he has kept of that period .
Maybe his first name 'Geoff' would be a good one to name the 80".
.

[Northern Lander]

If the pics are good and he has some good stories you will have to see if he will let you post them on this site :)
I have a 53 model from the Snowy Scheme 36660192 with hard top.
The 2 Landies look good though, keeping us all out of trouble :D or getting into more.

Wardy

[wrinklearthur]

Having a bit of fun trying to find the correct bonnet for the 86", ended up with yet another 88" bonnet --- that makes 1 x 80", 3 x 88" bonnets and 0 X 86" bonnets spare. :(

.

[Summiitt]

Hello all,
I have a road registered 52 80in in totally original condition, I picked it up north of Sydney but was wondering if I could find out where it was originally delivered to or any info on it?
Chassis number is 26161454.
Cheers, Tim

[Jonesy1972]

The Faulls Perth Sales books also exist.

The Victorian Rego info is with the Jaguar and Austin Healy Car Club. You can do a trace by writing to the Association of Motoring clubs, but it can be difficult as vehicles were registered by engine number and engines move a hell of a lot and then the LR's are mixed up in the Holdens if they had one fitted

You can also trace a vehicle through Land Rover themselves, but you need to have proof of ownership and they do a trace and often send a photocopy of the page entry of your vehicle, but is difficult from Oz as you have to send the a cheque for around 15 quid so have to get an OS cehque made up.

So what is the chassis number of your 107"

Where or how do you access the Faull's sales register? I have a 1958 Series 1 109", Body No: 2404, Serial No: 1092404, Car No: 123800646, Engine No: 111805396, and I can't read the chassis No on the rear passenger spring hanger because it looks like it has been worn away by a swinging mudflap (is the any where else I might find the chassis number).

Regards
Jonesy1972

[wrinklearthur]

Where or how do you access the Faull's sales register? I have a 1958 Series 1 109", Body No: 2404, Serial No: 1092404, Car No: 123800646, Engine No: 111805396, and I can't read the chassis No on the rear passenger spring hanger because it looks like it has been worn away by a swinging mudflap (is the any where else I might find the chassis number).
Hi Jonesy

Just a quick one as I only came inside for a cold drink.
If the 109 hasn't been rebuilt, the chassis number should match the one the plate inside on the firewall.

Even if that spot is worn you should be able to pickup and read a couple of the numbers ( with a torch at dusk is best ).
.

[Jonesy1972]

Hi Jonesy

Just a quick one as I only came inside for a cold drink.
If the 109 hasn't been rebuilt, the chassis number should match the one the plate inside on the firewall.

Even if that spot is worn you should be able to pickup and read a couple of the numbers ( with a torch at dusk is best ).
.

Thanks Arthur. I've hit the spot with a wire brush, wet and dry and a dose of spit and all I can get is 123.......... The rest is worn away by what looks like the mud flap brushing against it. But considering we are the second owners I trust it is the same as car number. It would be great to have the number showing.

[wrinklearthur]

Thanks Arthur. I've hit the spot with a wire brush, wet and dry and a dose of spit and all I can get is 123.......... The rest is worn away by what looks like the mud flap brushing against it. But considering we are the second owners I trust it is the same as car number. It would be great to have the number showing.

Try daubing some battery acid on the spot, the metal under the stamped number is more compressed and the softer unstamped metal dissolves at a faster rate.
If it shows then use a table spoon of bicarbonate of soda in a tumbler of water to neutralise it.
.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Hello all,
I have a road registered 52 80in in totally original condition, I picked it up north of Sydney but was wondering if I could find out where it was originally delivered to or any info on it?
Chassis number is 26161454.
Cheers, TimHi Tim

26161454 - UK assembled export model, a bit unusual, arrived out of sequence (late) on the Scottish Star, engine 26104028 Ign Key MRN11, fitted with PTO (rear) to L.C.S. William a/c Sparks (poss Spailes) on 29/5/52 (the rest of the UK built batch arrived on the Greystoke Castle in March 52)

Don't have any info on the NSW dealer LCS William, but at this time these were often stock and station agents or local trading companies that didn't usually sell cars.

Hope this helps.

Diana

[Summiitt]

Thank you so much, it's still fitted with the rear pto and the engine number checks out as original...as is the total condition of the vehicle, looks like I've got myself a good one! Thanks once again.

[Landy Smurf]

can someone help me identify these numbers please.
engine number 230755/ff
gearbox number 863565
transfer number 266811/wm
back section of transfer/gearbox number 219467
sorry I dont have the car number

[wrinklearthur]

can someone help me identify these numbers please.
engine number 230755/ff
gearbox number 863565
transfer number 266811/wm
back section of transfer/gearbox number
sorry I dont have the car number 219467

Hi Tony

The numbers aren't coming together easily from my books

how about a description of those parts to help things along?
.

[Landy Smurf]

I will see if I can get some photos later. is the engine number on a s1 engine on the side of the block on the carby side?

[wrinklearthur]

I will see if I can get some photos later. is the engine number on a s1 engine on the side of the block on the carby side?
Hi Tony

At the side of the top front of the block just before the exhaust manifold, the number is stamped sideways just inside the vertical edge.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/01/364.jpg

.

[Landy Smurf]

ah ok I didn't get the photos tonight but I will try Thursday

[Landy Smurf]

i did find a number but it wasnt stamped the same 100903 I guess I will need to go and have another look on sunday

[Landy Smurf]

the reason I am wanting to know what year the engine came out of is I was hoping it would be the same engine that would have been in my 1953 80' but this engine came out of an 86'(year unknown) what ways besides the engine number can you tell the difference between the 2 engines?

[LR D4]

Hi All,


Thought I would post up a little of the research I have done on my 51 and how I have gone about it, in hope it might help a few other new Aulroians.


Most of this will be a re-hash to the more experienced on here, but thought it would be good to have it all in the one place


Gaydon
Heritage Motor Centre Motor Museum, Gaydon (http://www.heritage-motor-centre.co.uk/) ask for web enquiry to confirm the dealer your car was supplied.


AULRO
If your vehicle is one of the lucky cars that went to NSW or WA you can post on here and some very kind people can check the records and let you know, I'm not going to post there names here, because if you don't already know then please keep reading Aulro until you find out for yourself.


AOMC
Thirdly and in my case, if your car went to Victoria, you can contact AOMC www.aomc.asn.au (http://www.aomc.asn.au) and they will provide a rego number and first date of registration, unfortunately all Land Rovers fall into the category of when the previous owners information where destroyed, at least you can make a start with the first rego number.


Local State Road Authority
Fourthly you can contact your friendly local state road authority and write them a beautiful letter in the hope that one person who reads it might have some compassion to help you, I found a nice little template on Researching the history of your car | Ford RS Owners Club Australia (http://www.rsownersclubaust.com.au/?page_id=269) to prove it's possible, I've only sent mine today so not sure what info I can get back yet!


Then there is Land rover themselves, not sure of the address and what other info you get other than Gaydon, if anyone knows please post address and info supplied


And you can also try any of those VIN checkers online, I didn't have any luck with those.


There is also the national archive data base but I've only just started looking in there, without much luck so far...


Hope this might be of some help and as always please add any info you have found.


Best Regards


LRD4

[Lost Landy]

Looking for more info in regards to my 80" I was told it came from a gent from Victoria who bought it along with other heavy equipment from SMHES auctions? so far this is all I can find

Chassis No:06111525
Engine No:06111955




0
Model year: 1950

6
Model: Land Rover, Series I, 80in, petrol

1
Body type: Basic

1
Destination: unknown destination code

1525
Serial number

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Looking for more info in regards to my 80" I was told it came from a gent from Victoria who bought it along with other heavy equipment from SMHES auctions? so far this is all I can find

Chassis No:06111525
Engine No:06111955
...<snip>The vehicle 06111525 (or any vehicle within over 100 serials of it) does not appear in the NSW "Grenville Motors, allocation books" so it is unlikely a vehicle supplied to the SMHEA, it could however be a vehicle supplied from Regent Motors through a dealer somewhere like Wodonga and used on the scheme but not one of the SMHEA fleet.

[195586inch]

Hello. Newbie to the site. Just bought a 1955 86" for my daughter, honest, ahem, she's 1 :-) Chassis number 57661820. Has a Holden 138 (so I'm told), (no idea, I'm from the land of the haggis!). Could someone please point me in the right direction as to where I might obtain any history for "Wee Nellie" as she's been named?
I enquired with DOT here in WA but they had no record of it or the serial number from the grey engine.

Many thanks

195586inch

[crackers]

Speaking of identification, I bet your missus doesn't call you 195586inch :angel:
:D

Welcome to the site mate. I'm new to this too so I'm being silly instead of helping. Others will come on soon enough and sort things out for you.
Have you tried CalVIN (http://www.clifton.nl/index.html?calvin.html)?

Feeding your number into CalVIN gives:
5 Model year: 1955
7 Model: Land Rover, Series I, petrol
6 Body type: 86in, completely knocked down (CKD)
6 Destination: Right-hand drive (RHD), export market
1820 Serial number

[195586inch]

Calvin? Thought was the spray my better half got me for Christmas 17 years ago. Still half full.

I did manage to get that info from the forums but had hoped to delv deeper into the history of my wee car.

:-)

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Hello. Newbie to the site. Just bought a 1955 86" for my daughter, honest, ahem, she's 1 :-) Chassis number 57661820. Has a Holden 138 (so I'm told), ....
Many thanks

195586inchUnfortuantely the number 57661820 does not appear in the NSW books.

[harry]

Hi Diana,
s2a query, chassis no. 24319536G
engine no. 24136026A
it's a station wagon as I own it but reg'd as a ute, 88in
calvin says it was ckd rhd and it does have a pressed metal corp number , but the car is outside and wrapped up and it's cold here, so if needed I will make a special trip out there.
Is it possible to find if the engine matches the chassis number?

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Only if the vehicle was sold in NSW, because the records on most other Eastern states have been lost.

In your case however, your vehicle is unmolested. :BigThumb:

Did you ever get other details on its history?

It was originally a NSW Police vehicle, delivered on 20th May 1971, always a hard top, it may have had security mesh (like cargo barriers are made from) installed inside and a cargo barrier, most Police 88" in that era did.

Dunlop Road Track major tyres, ignition key F?-896, Drivers door and tailgate F?-683 & 891.

The rego looks like it was BIO-022 but can't be sure.

Isuzutoo-eh also has a NSW Police SIIa.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

the reason I am wanting to know what year the engine came out of is I was hoping it would be the same engine that would have been in my 1953 80' but this engine came out of an 86'(year unknown) what ways besides the engine number can you tell the difference between the 2 engines?
The 1953 80" and the 1954 86" had identical siamese bore 2 litre engines. later 86" has spread bore 2 litre engines.

The easy way to tell, is there a paper element (full flow) oil filter canister below the carby (RHS of the engine), if yes that is a spread bore engine. Otherwise get the engine number, it is on the exhaust manifold face at the front LHS of the engine.

[DiscoMick]

Should this thread be in the Land Rover History section?

Sent from my GT-P5210 using AULRO mobile app

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Should this thread be in the Land Rover History section?
I would say no, because it is the history of individual vehicles. Not Land Rover History or interesting history of particular Land Rovers, but I have moved the thread out of Series 1 into the Series Landy root pinnacle.

[Dark61]

thanks for this. My 57 series 1 had "sent to Regent Motors, Melbourne June 57" on its details when I enquired at Gaydon. I asked someone what this meant and they said they (RM) were the wholesalers , PMC would have put it together. So its interesting to know that Regents actually put them together.
cheers,
D

[nickcundy]

Hi Diana,

I was hoping you could also help me out with my 1971 sIIa station wagon!

I have heard it could be ex police of forestry. Have asked around local clubs etc and no recognition from long time landy owners of the vehicle.

Vin: 35200879G

some notes from previous owner;

body type: 837, series 109837

chassis # 241-354

Cheers,

Nick

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Firstly it is not a 1971 SIIa Station Wagon. It is actually a 1970 station wagon, which was probably built in February 1970.

The vehicle was allocated to British Leyland, so if the vehicle has a 1971 compliance plate it was affixed when Leyland disposed of it later.

The unusual thing about this vehicle and #878G (also to British Leyland) is that neither are listed with an engine number. (I've not seen that in the books before)

I have no evidence in relation to your vehicle but in the 1970's time Leyland were playing around with different engines. On the other hand, it could be a simple matter that Leyland took the vehicle off the end of the assembly line before the folks at Grenville's had time to record the engine and key numbers.

The chassis should match the car number, so I have no idea what the "241-354" relates to, unless it was a prototype number, however these were usually in a sequence like "109/3"

I think the other details "body type: 837, series 109837" are numbers issued by registration authorities.

[gromit]

thanks for this. My 57 series 1 had "sent to Regent Motors, Melbourne June 57" on its details when I enquired at Gaydon. I asked someone what this meant and they said they (RM) were the wholesalers , PMC would have put it together. So its interesting to know that Regents actually put them together.
cheers,
D

I met a gentleman a few years ago that worked at Regents welding the chassis together.
The chassis' were apparently sent over as side rails, crossmembers & outriggers. They sourced the outriggers locally at some point to increase the 'local' content.

I was given a box of rivets, he must have had a few in his pocket as he left every day......

Colin

[Lotz-A-Landies]

thanks for this. My 57 series 1 had "sent to Regent Motors, Melbourne June 57" on its details when I enquired at Gaydon. I asked someone what this meant and they said they (RM) were the wholesalers , PMC would have put it together. So its interesting to know that Regents actually put them together.
cheers,
DOut of interest, is your 1957 a 1137 prefix or a 1127 prefix?

The reason is that many of the master distributors* (official title) were still getting UK built Export models after the PMC factory was in operation. This is particularly true of Annand and Thompson in Qld who preferred something built in the UK rather than something built by mexicans, it is probably why we had the "Brisbane tops" made by Athol Hedges to meet the Australian content rules for a vehicle built in the UK.

This continued into SII and SIIA (& SIIB) to make up for production shortages and special orders like 88" station wagons which were not usually assembled in Ox until the SIII Game.

* Wholesaler isn't quite correct in this context, because Regent's were a retail dealer as well as wholesaling to other local dealers around Vic and Tas. hence the title "master distributor".

[Dark61]

All very interesting. Mines a 1137 - 113701494. What's the difference between the two ?


When I first started to research the numbers - I found a website that appeared to suggest it was built in UK which seemed odd at the time as I thought nearly all the Land Rovers out here were CKD. But whatever site I found that mentioned that - I have forgotten the address. Gaydon say CKD.


cheers,
D

[Lotz-A-Landies]

All very interesting. Mines a 1137 - 113701494. What's the difference between the two ?


When I first started to research the numbers - I found a website that appeared to suggest it was built in UK which seemed odd at the time as I thought nearly all the Land Rovers out here were CKD. But whatever site I found that mentioned that - I have forgotten the address. Gaydon say CKD.


cheers,
Dthe 112 is the prefix for "88 RHD export" (111 88 RHD home) and 113 "88 RHD CKD" the "7" is the year digit.

113 means it is assembled in Oz (or somewhere else, but not UK) however 1957 is quite late not to have been assembled at PMC when they were assembling in 1956 at PMC.

[Dark61]

the plot thickens as it has a PMC Sydney plate on it. I suppose the records are not always correct.
Thanks for the info.
cheers,
D

[Dark61]

113 means it is assembled in Oz (or somewhere else, but not UK) however 1957 is quite late not to have been assembled at PMC when they were assembling in 1956 at PMC.


understood and thanks. I didn't get to grips with the fact that the PMC Sydney plate would have covered other locations. Good to be put right.
cheers,
D

[nickcundy]

Fantastic thank you very much Diana.

Cheers,

Nick

[crackers]

Fantastic thank you very much Diana.

Cheers,

Nick

She's a real wizz isn't she :BigThumb:

[Seriestwo]

I have 2 x 1958 series 2's

I have had one for years and the second one I purchased a few months ago, could you please let me know any information you have on either of them.

No.1
Chassis No. 143800622
Engine No. 141805081.

No.2
Chassis No. 143800068
Engine No. 141800650

Thanks
Chris

[Lotz-A-Landies]

understood and thanks. I didn't get to grips with the fact that the PMC Sydney plate would have covered other locations. Good to be put right.
cheers,
DIt could however have been a vehicle destined for Regents, but went via PMC for assembly and was then shipped built up to Melbourne as final destination. So both the PMC and Regents being correct.

[harry]

I would like to ask Diana is she could give me some history on the numbers of my 4/71 88 station wagon.
Pressed metal no's body no. 14841
PMC S/n 8814841
Land Rover chassis no. 24319536G
and I just found the engine no. 24136026A
Calvin shows it as a CKD.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

I would like to ask Diana is she could give me some history on the numbers of my 4/71 88 station wagon.
Pressed metal no's body no. 14841
PMC S/n 8814841
Land Rover chassis no. 24319536G
and I just found the engine no. 24136026A
Calvin shows it as a CKD.Hi Harry

I replied to your request on the 9th June!

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/series-land-rovers/95557-vehicle-history-research-tools-5.html#post2373984

Moderator hat on
I am also going to move a lot of these posts to the Viehicle history thread.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

I have 2 x 1958 series 2's

I have had one for years and the second one I purchased a few months ago, could you please let me know any information you have on either of them.

No.1
Chassis No. 143800622
Engine No. 141805081.

No.2
Chassis No. 143800068
Engine No. 141800650

Thanks
ChrisHi Chris

Sorry for not getting back to these I only found the post today. Those vehicles are quite interesting as they are the orphan SII 88" model that still had the series 1 IOE 2 litre engine where the 109" had the pushrod 2.283 litre or 2 litre diesel.

It only lasted for one production year 1958, and most of the vehicles in that group have lost their 2 litre engine. Have you looked at the 1418 sticky thread http://www.aulro.com/afvb/series-land-rovers/127207-1418-prefix-engines.html

Now to your vehicles:
No.1
Chassis No. 143800622; Engine No. 141805081: the only information I have on that one is that the entire batch (103) was sent to Queensland (Annand and Thompson), the engine is the original one fitted, it was a soft top and the key code 666.

No.2
Chassis No. 143800068; Engine No. 141800650: The information is difficult to read. The engine is the original one fitted, it was a soft top and the key code 672. It was delivered 24/10/58

Not so good analysing the customer. See if you can work it out?

Diana

[harry]

Hi Harry

I replied to your request on the 9th June!

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/series-land-rovers/95557-vehicle-history-research-tools-5.html#post2373984

Moderator hat on
I am also going to move a lot of these posts to the Viehicle history thread.



Woops,
thank you, I missed that reply, sorry.

.

[harry]

Only if the vehicle was sold in NSW, because the records on most other Eastern states have been lost.

In your case however, your vehicle is unmolested. :BigThumb:

Did you ever get other details on its history?

It was originally a NSW Police vehicle, delivered on 20th May 1971, always a hard top, it may have had security mesh (like cargo barriers are made from) installed inside and a cargo barrier, most Police 88" in that era did.

Dunlop Road Track major tyres, ignition key F?-896, Drivers door and tailgate F?-683 & 891.

The rego looks like it was BIO-022 but can't be sure.

Isuzutoo-eh also has a NSW Police SIIa.


Hi Diana,
s2a query, chassis no. 24319536G
engine no. 24136026A
it's a station wagon as I own it but reg'd as a ute, 88in
calvin says it was ckd rhd and it does have a pressed metal corp number , but the car is outside and wrapped up and it's cold here, so if needed I will make a special trip out there.
Is it possible to find if the engine matches the chassis number?



please accept my apology, I missed your reply Diana to my query.


now to answer your question, the chap I bought it from said it had been owned by a person that wanted to keep it all original, but that was the end of knowledge of previous ownership, that conversation may have been in the buying process and I got the car from country nsw, wooh, we don't want those city folk to know too much, next thing they'll be down here stealing our land,
interestingly, you have identified it as an ex police vehicle, thank you.
there is evidence of the fitment of a roof light and possibly an antenna, several holes in the roof show this possibility and I have covered those up when I redid the roof restoration, none of these holes went into the safari roof, so it must have come later.
another interesting thing is that the owners manual that came with it belonged to a nsw police car, but not mine, so I guess the buyer from the police auction grabbed an owners manual from another car at the auction to complete his purchase.
the car does have a winch and an overdrive, which the previous owner removed, and which I bought with the car and have refitted the winch.
another interesting thing is that the wings are drilled for pioneer tools like military trucks, but there is definitely no drab green on the car, it has a patina that shows every coat of paint ever put on it!


thanks Diana, this is most interesting, I will get into the owners manual and post the land rover numbers given in it as someone here may have that car.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Hi Harry

Great to hear you have some of the evidence of the Police history. :)

Most of the military fittings were available as optional extras when the vehicle was ordered and built. It was common for NSW Mines to fit the PMC brushguard, most people refer to as the Army brushguard.

Diana

[harry]

Thanks, I have acquired the tool holders and fitted tools. I got a brush guard because I thought the extra holes in the bumper were for that, but none matched, so I now have more holes, and a brush guard fitted

[crackers]

Thanks, I have acquired the tool holders and fitted tools. I got a brush guard because I thought the extra holes in the bumper were for that, but none matched, so I now have more holes, and a brush guard fitted

How do you keep that clip board attached to the bonnet and doesn't the paper flap with it orientated that way? :wasntme:

[RickRover]

Hi, I have done a search with calVIN on a S1 and got the basic info, does anyone have any further info the could tell me please?


VIN #: 06162735

Serial #: R06102733

Thanks

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Hi Rick

I can tell you a couple of things but not very helpful ones, going by what you called the serial number, the vehicle was not distributed through NSW.

What you called the VIN can not exist, the 1950 Land Rover was a single sequence starting at 06100001 (with a L or R prefix for most) and ended at 06116???. Could you have misread the number?

The chassis number and the Car number should be the same.

Diana

[RickRover]

Could you have misread the number?

Diana

Highly likely, Thanks Diana, I'll have to go and have another look.


Rick

[harry]

How do you keep that clip board attached to the bonnet and doesn't the paper flap with it orientated that way? :wasntme:
it is a highly secret aviation style clipboard with a quick release system.


Now I said I had the owners manual for a police car,
this has a Grenville motors page glued into the front cover.
Owner ...POLICE DEPARTMENT
Address....64 BRIDGE STREET
SYDNEY
Service by Grenville motors p/l or country dealer as required.
Chassis 25331300g
Engine 24109646a


does anyone here own that chassis no. car?

[harry]

Only if the vehicle was sold in NSW, because the records on most other Eastern states have been lost.

In your case however, your vehicle is unmolested. :BigThumb:

Did you ever get other details on its history?

It was originally a NSW Police vehicle, delivered on 20th May 1971, always a hard top, it may have had security mesh (like cargo barriers are made from) installed inside and a cargo barrier, most Police 88" in that era did.

Dunlop Road Track major tyres, ignition key F?-896, Drivers door and tailgate F?-683 & 891.

The rego looks like it was BIO-022 but can't be sure.

Isuzutoo-eh also has a NSW Police SIIa.



it wasn't BIO 022, that appears to be a1971 International truck which is still registered.
but I will keep looking.

[Seriestwo]

Hi Chris

Sorry for not getting back to these I only found the post today. Those vehicles are quite interesting as they are the orphan SII 88" model that still had the series 1 IOE 2 litre engine where the 109" had the pushrod 2.283 litre or 2 litre diesel.

It only lasted for one production year 1958, and most of the vehicles in that group have lost their 2 litre engine. Have you looked at the 1418 sticky thread http://www.aulro.com/afvb/series-land-rovers/127207-1418-prefix-engines.html

Now to your vehicles:
No.1
Chassis No. 143800622; Engine No. 141805081: the only information I have on that one is that the entire batch (103) was sent to Queensland (Annand and Thompson), the engine is the original one fitted, it was a soft top and the key code 666.

No.2
Chassis No. 143800068; Engine No. 141800650: The information is difficult to read. The engine is the original one fitted, it was a soft top and the key code 672. It was delivered 24/10/58

Not so good analysing the customer. See if you can work it out?

Diana

Thanks Diana,

I cant work it out either, it says Goodooga something. 143800068 has "Gleeson"(I think is says that) written on the guards in faint paint. I think this was the property name it was working on. It has no indicators, series 1 radiator and a brake reservoir with the 2 outlets in the bottom. The other 58 series 143800622 had no indicators originally but had series 2 radiator and the reservoir has 1 outlet at the bottom and one on the side. There are a couple of other minor differences which I forget at the moment.

Thanks again.
Chris

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Thanks, I have acquired the tool holders and fitted tools. I got a brush guard because I thought the extra holes in the bumper were for that, but none matched, so I now have more holes, and a brush guard fitted

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/attachments/series-land-rovers/95239d1434535877-vehicle-history-research-tools-image.jpgHi Harry

I don't know if you are aware, what you have fitted is the brushguard for the cross-eyed SII and SIIa. There was a later SIIa brushguard for the wide headlamp model where there was a step in the second upright to clear the headlamps. They were very similar to the SIII bar, but didn't have the two horizontal protrusions above the lifting points.

Sorry I don't know if the mounting holes were in different places. :(

[harry]

Hi Harry

I don't know if you are aware, what you have fitted is the brushguard for the cross-eyed SII and SIIa. There was a later SIIa brushguard for the wide headlamp model where there was a step in the second upright to clear the headlamps. They were very similar to the SIII bar, but didn't have the two horizontal protrusions above the lifting points.

Sorry I don't know if the mounting holes were in different places. :(

thanks Diana, I didn't know there was a different brush guard, but will look into that also.
you were also correct with the key/lock numbers, I must see if my first car's ign key fits it...a '49 vanguard,


for you thieves out there, there are more locks on this car than the love locks on that bridge in Europe...it has no petrol, no battery and a marauding cat lives in it, the dogs love fresh meat and are fed yearly, so they are extra hungry and can smell a postie at 3.75 miles,
there are six gravestones from previous miscreants and the police still love their old car and look out for it.


I wish that copper at Woodenbong knew it was an ex cop car!....

[QRS40]

Hi
I have just acquired a '53 S1(Chassis No 36660505) and am quite interested in collecting as much detail on it as possible. Its been modified (Holden motored and other things) but still has quite a decent amount of original bits hiding under layers of dodgy paint. [pics will be posted after it arrive- currently being en route from vic to qld].


I already know as much as the online tools can provide, ie
(from calVIN)
3
Model year: 1953
6
Model: Land Rover, Series I, 80in, petrol
6
Body type: Completely knocked down (CKD)
6
Destination: Right-hand drive (RHD), export market
0505
Serial number


(from LRSOC)


Land Rover80" Basic 1997cc 'Siamese' bore - RHD Export CKD kit



I also know the original Rego, as its still registered:
GOA-603 (Victorian)


Is there any further information that can be obtained based on the above details? In particular, it would be really nice to know the original engine number, when and where it was first sold etc.


Im told im the 3rd owner (the 1st owner bought it new [then did the modifications, possibly in the eighties; and I bought it [last week] from the bloke who bought it from the original owner [about 25-30 years ago]). I also am reasonably confident it has been a Victorian vehicle all its life (given the rego), although now it will be residing in Qld...


Many thanks for any info, or pointing in the best direction.

[Loubrey]

There is a lovely lady that works at the British Motor Museum called Jan Valentino who will do a search. Depending on what she finds, there might be a smallish fee involved but she'll let you know to see if you want to proceed.

My 1958 Series 2's (RHD CKD) information was unfortunately limited to the day it was dispatched out of Solihull and that she gave that to me for free... :D

BMIHT Archive

archive@britishmotormuseum.co.uk

Cheers,

Lou

[OneOff]

Hi Diana,

Thanks for all the good work you're doing here - it's all very informative.

I have 141800917/143800079, another one of those 1958 2 lt orphans.
Only a few numbers away from Seriestwo's vehicle; it may even possibly be part of the same shipment.

Anything else you can tell me about it?

Peter.

[Dgd69]

It's interesting to read were a lot of these landys started from I been trying find anything on mine 143001010 British museum says delivered ckd to Sydney pmc it's in wa now

Thanks
Darren

[Wylls1]

Hi guys I’m new on here from Victoria.

I’m trying to find out the history of my farthers series 1 1956/57 88inch as we r restoring it at the moment

Chassis num: 113700891

Engine num: 111709041

Diff num: 111708719

Serial num: 00891

[Bondy505]

Hi,

For QRS40 -

I have 36660536, which was my grandparents farm truck in Margate, Tasmania, but I believed was originally sold in SA. My mother thinks her father (my grandfather) bought it in SA some time after he emigrated from the UK in 1952, then moved to Tas with it in about 1958(?). It is very close in SNO to yours, so maybe was originally in Victoria.

What did you find out about yours, and did you get any lists of LR Snos etc in any detail.

It now resides in QLD where I am doing a rebuild/refurb, but not a concourse restoration.

As a side note it survived the 1967 Tas bushfires, but my grandparents house 50m away was burnt to the ground.

Cheers

Paul

[Magger]

Firstly it is not a 1971 SIIa Station Wagon. It is actually a 1970 station wagon, which was probably built in February 1970.

The vehicle was allocated to British Leyland, so if the vehicle has a 1971 compliance plate it was affixed when Leyland disposed of it later.

The unusual thing about this vehicle and #878G (also to British Leyland) is that neither are listed with an engine number. (I've not seen that in the books before)

I have no evidence in relation to your vehicle but in the 1970's time Leyland were playing around with different engines. On the other hand, it could be a simple matter that Leyland took the vehicle off the end of the assembly line before the folks at Grenville's had time to record the engine and key numbers.

The chassis should match the car number, so I have no idea what the "241-354" relates to, unless it was a prototype number, however these were usually in a sequence like "109/3"

I think the other details "body type: 837, series 109837" are numbers issued by registration authorities.

hello, I am new to the world of land rovers. I just acquired a s2a station wagon with chassis ID 35200384d and I would love to know a little more history about it. It has a Faulls Subiaco plate in the engine bay.

I would be most appreciative if I could get a build or delivery year. And maybe a first owner?

thankyou
mike

[whitehillbilly64]

Put you vin in here.

Clifton Scientific Text Services, the Netherlands (https://www.clifton.nl/index.html?calvin.html)

whitehillbilly

[NobbyTD5]

Hi All
I have a new to me 1952 80"

Chassis serial number 26660296
Engine number is 111800780
South Aust Rego 333 047 (old plates - is not currently registered)

CalVin gives
Model year: 1952
6 Model: Land Rover, Series I, 80in, petrol
6 Body type: Completely knocked down (CKD)
6 Destination: Right-hand drive (RHD), export market
0296 Serial number

any guidance on this would be great
is the engine the original 2lt ?


is SA's info available?

any more info/insights/history would be appreciated
cheers
Nobby