WONT START TD5

[Jordos D2]

help needed i cleaned my MAF, MAP, and changed my fuel filter today it started up fine and idle for a minute then i took it up the road and it died just winds over now and wont start ??? dont know what to do any advise would be great

[justinc]

help needed i cleaned my MAF, MAP, and changed my fuel filter today it started up fine and idle for a minute then i took it up the road and it died just winds over now and wont start ??? dont know what to do any advise would be great

Did you bleed it 3 to 4 times BEFORE driving it? If not, it will be VERY airated. Turn key to 'on' pos and wait till fuel pump times out, repeat 4 to 5 times, then try cranking WITH FOOT ON ACCELERATOR TO THE FLOOR while cranking.

Battery MUST be in good nick.

JC

[Jordos D2]

Did you bleed it 3 to 4 times BEFORE driving it? If not, it will be VERY airated. Turn key to 'on' pos and wait till fuel pump times out, repeat 4 to 5 times, then try cranking WITH FOOT ON ACCELERATOR TO THE FLOOR while cranking.

Battery MUST be in good nick.

JC

no i didnt bleed how do i go about it now tryed cranking with foot flat to floor no start.

[justinc]

Bleeding these is as easy as turning key 'on' until fuel pump times out, usually 25 to 30 seconds. Some early Disco and Defender don't time out until about a minute or more.

If you have access to a jump start vehicle, I would rest the battery for a while, and connect the vehicle up to yours for about 15 minutes to give your battery a surface charge. The quicker they crank over the better. Don't worry, they can sometimes take ages to restart after running them without bleeding. Main things are Battery must be in good nick, and accelerator must be on the floor.

JC

[stig0000]

key to pos2,, pump accelorator till engine light flashs, the pump will run for about 5 mins, when it stops do it agen maby 2-3times,

and then try starting with foot flat

[Jordos D2]

ok i will try this now it has been puffing a little smoke while cranking this is normal yes ? it sounds like it wants to go just wont

[justinc]

Yes whitish grey smoke is normal, poor fuel spray as fuel rail is full of air, low pressures = poor spray patterns= no atomisation = smoke.

Keep going it'l go soon.

JC

[alien]

From the owners book(Had to do this to mine as I did the same thing on my first filter change also;)).

1..Turn ign. key off for 15sec.
2..Turn to position II and wait 30sec.
3...Repeat steps 1 and 2 six times
4...After the final 30sec. period, fully depress the accelerater pedal.
5..Keeping the pedal depresed,start cranking the engine.
6..Continue cranking the engine and as soon as the engine is firing smoothly,ease the accelartor pedal back to approximately halfway through it's travel,and release the starter key. The engine should now be running.
7...If the engine fails to start,repeat the process.

Did this to mine and she ran OK.

[Jordos D2]

ok i have tryd this a few times now and still no go it blows smoke and sounds like it wants togo then goes to a nice smoth cranking and the check engine light comes on ?? wtf

[alien]

ok i have tryd this a few times now and still no go it blows smoke and sounds like it wants togo then goes to a nice smoth cranking and the check engine light comes on ?? wtf

Step 6 from book requires the starter to be held in the start mode until the throtle is at Half throtle. Don't turn from start to run till then.
See how you go.It will blow smoke as said.

As JC said hook up a jump batt., could be picking up low voltage while cranking bringing on the dash light.

[stig0000]

ok i have tryd this a few times now and still no go it blows smoke and sounds like it wants togo then goes to a nice smoth cranking and the check engine light comes on ?? wtf

id keep bleading it, you have run it till it stoped with air, there will be air in every psoibull spot,, and will take alot of bleading, blead it another 2-3 times and try cranking agen

[justinc]

Step 6 from book requires the starter to be held in the start mode until the throtle is at Half throtle. Don't turn from start to run till then.
See how you go.It will blow smoke as said.

As JC said hook up a jump batt., could be picking up low voltage while cranking bringing on the dash light.

Correct, the check engine light will come on if extended cranking and the battery is getting low. I'd personally walk away from it for about 15 minutes like I said to let things cool and the battery gets topped up. If you were to get into the engine management fault code section you'd see a 'noisy cranking signal' code, this is what puts up the engine check lamp.
Continuing to crank with the check lamp on is useless, it has already stopped injecting fuel.

JC

[Jordos D2]

ok ive finely got it going now it has a rough idle like it has 1 injector out ?? will this go when i hold the pedal down at say 1200 rpm it slowly brings the revs up itself after that

[justinc]

ok ive finely got it going now it has a rough idle like it has 1 injector out ?? will this go when i hold the pedal down at say 1200 rpm it slowly brings the revs up itself after that

Best thing to do now is drive it. It'll be a bit smoky I reckon:(

JC

[Jordos D2]

its all good now took it for a spin ggoes great a huge thanks to JC:BigThumb:, STIG0000:BigThumb:, alien d2:BigThumb:, for all your and very quick reply`s your help was awsom cause it had me fkd

[discowhite]

so is it reving past 3100rpm now?

cheers phil

[justinc]

so is it reving past 3100rpm now?

cheers phil

Ahhh, the penny drops:)

JC

[Jordos D2]

so is it reving past 3100rpm now?

cheers phil


no it still gets there (3100rpm) and dies off i have done all that you advised me on im going to get the fault codes cleared tommorow and see what comes from that

[discowhite]

no it still gets there (3100rpm) and dies off i have done all that you advised me on im going to get the fault codes cleared tommorow and see what comes from that

after all the chat's we've had and taking into account this hard bleed issue, and speaking to JC, get where ever you taking it too to check the fuel pressure you may well have a dying fuel pump and or fuel regulator.

cheers phil

[50_dent]

Did you bleed it 3 to 4 times BEFORE driving it? If not, it will be VERY airated. Turn key to 'on' pos and wait till fuel pump times out, repeat 4 to 5 times, then try cranking WITH FOOT ON ACCELERATOR TO THE FLOOR while cranking.

Battery MUST be in good nick.

JC

Awesome, this is the page i found after a fair amount of research here at Aulro.

I'd had the alternator off a 01 D2 Td5 and replaced what i believed to be a faulty regulator. I was convinced the only way to r&r the alt was to r&r the intake manifold to make room. A fuel cooler, which i disconnected and moved out of the way, is bolted to the rear of said manifold. With the alt back on and temp bolts holding everything else together, i turned the key to purge air from the fuel lines but noticed there was no noise from the pump. Indeed it sounded very dead.

With info found at this site i located the fuel pump relay and by-passed it with a jump wire but still no noise.

There's a black widow storage system blocking access to the pump cover so off with the tow bar and out with the fuel tank. Tested the pump by connecting a battery to the wires i traced as the main feed .. and then ordered a new fuel pump.

I installed a new f/filter whilst i waited for parts. With so many fuel lines off, there was bound to be a system FULL of air.

After searching these hallowed pages, i followed this recommendation found and referred to here.

The new pump was noisy for ages but it did eventually quieten down, the only thing i forgot to do was hold the accelerator pedal to the floor. Nothing 1st hit but 2nd hit it started to splutter into life. 2 or 3 more attempts and the engine was running !!

The most beautiful eargasmic sound i have heard for a long time. After worrying about it since the original pump 1st failed 3 weeks back, i've only had a chance here and there to get back to this job but persistance has paid off and i'm a happy bloke.

Cheers, Danny.